Re: Re: FIR Sauna; was: Sjogren's/lyme treatment

July 7, 2007

Re: FIR Sauna; was: Sjogren's/lyme treatment

> I'm using a Sunlight Sauna, made of basswood and held together by

> magnets. I didn't think I was having a chemical reaction because I'd

> been using it once or twice a week for about a year. My health plunged

> after going through the intensive sauna treatment. But, I'm at the

> point of realizing how little I know about most of this....

>

> I don't know if the Sunlight emits a high level of EMF, but that is

> something to look into. Thanks for your thoughts.

,

Magnets emit magnetic fields that can be either beneficial or not, depending

on numerous factors. EMF, a term commonly used to reference the fields that

result from the flow of electrons through a wire, likewise disrupts the

minute magnetic fields of the body. Some people are more sensitive to EMF,

although it does affect everyone.

> One thing that I speculated about was mineral depletion while doing

> intensive saunas. The program I participated in used high amounts of

> nutritional supplements to replace what was lost during sweating.

> Someone mentioned to me that replacement supplementation may not do

> the job and there is no evidence that minerals are adequately absorbed

> via supplements. Do you have any knowledge about this topic?

Sauna therapy severely depletes not only minerals, but also vitamins. I

mention this, the dangers of EMF, and many other topics in my book The

Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy. I like to use liquid supplements because

they are more easily absorbed than pills or capsules.

You can read the table of contents of my sauna therapy book, and a few

excerpts, at

http://www.nenahsylver.com/default.asp?contentID=674 & toplevel=674

In the book I also describe the Hubbard program, which involves a strenuous

protocol of sauna therapy with many nutritional supplements. I'd be

interested to know why your health " plunged " after going through sauna

therapy; what you felt before and after. As my book discusses, sauna therapy

is not for everyone all the time. It depends on the condition of the system.

Sincerely,

Nenah

Nenah Sylver, PhD

http://www.nenahsylver.com

* The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing

* The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy

July 7, 2007

oh no...

this smells like jim's sauna 'program'. yes?????

i've done alot of fir saunas, and i can easily see how they can deplete you if

you don't do it properly. i will only do them at certain times, when i'm sure i

will sweat alot. if i don't have alot of sodium in me forget it i won't go near

the thing.

don't worship the tools, use them -- or not-- if it is not appropriate.

do you still have amalgams in? i have heard potential negative effects of fir if

you still have them.

try greatly increasing your sodium or salt intake-- assuming you don't have bp

issues or other sodium issues. or take a bath in heavily salted water. or if you

can handle raw dairy, raw milk and cheese is a great source of sodium. in one of

the books i read about kinesiology it says that all the electrical systems are

shut down without adequate sodium, and thus the meridian testing will be

inaccurate. with mercury poisoning the kidneys dump too much sodium so without

adequate salt intake saunas will make this situation alot worse.

mineral absorption/metabolism is very complex. imo too complex to peg into any

system or program. heavy metals can interfere with intercellular absorption.

supplements imo in the long term are not a good way to go. best to use food and

drink. first get your hcl levels up to snuff with and of these: 1) salt 2)

ginger 3) lemons/lemon juice 4) hcl tablets 5) apple cider vinegar. this will

take care of stomach's job. next find good food sources. all fresh fruit and

vegetable juices are easily as easily assimilable source of minerals. vegetable

soups, meat broths, bone broths. there are tons of ways to get minerals in.

if heavy metal poisoning is part of your problem, then as you begin to rid

yourself of the metals, the cellular mineral absorption should start to fire up

again.

it goes without saying that if you are chemically sensitive your liver needs

alot of tending to.

what were the supplements you were taking?

Re: FIR Sauna; was: Sjogren's/lyme treatment

Hi Bob,

I'm using a Sunlight Sauna, made of basswood and held together by

magnets. I didn't think I was having a chemical reaction because I'd

been using it once or twice a week for about a year. My health plunged

after going through the intensive sauna treatment. But, I'm at the

point of realizing how little I know about most of this....

I don't know if the Sunlight emits a high level of EMF, but that is

something to look into. Thanks for your thoughts.

One thing that I speculated about was mineral depletion while doing

intensive saunas. The program I participated in used high amounts of

nutritional supplements to replace what was lost during sweating.

Someone mentioned to me that replacement supplementation may not do

the job and there is no evidence that minerals are adequately absorbed

via supplements. Do you have any knowledge about this topic?

Thanks,

>

> Hi ,

>

> Along with what's been mentioned, you can be adversely affected by

> the room itself if a FIR sauna is not designed and built properly.

>

> The major culprits are from heating adhesives - either from a lot of

> wood glue being used, and/or from concealed plywood. I've seen lab

> tests showing high formaldehyde levels in several FIR saunas.

>

> The other issue is EMFS. Some FIR heater's EMFs are low, others are

> quite high. The issue is magnified in FIR saunas due to the body's

> close proximity to several of the heaters.

>

> On the lymestrategies group this week, a chemically sensitive person

> told of her inability to use a new FIR sauna for many months due to

> her perception of toxic glue solvents in the air.

>

> Perhaps this isn't the case with this sauna, but I'd double check

> before trying it again. I'd be glad to help with that if you need it.

>

> Bob.

>

> Owner/Heavenly Heat

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Dear ,

It could be that you are short on EFAs. You could try taking flax oil twice

daily, and see if that helps.

Are you still experiencing these symptoms, or is this some time ago?

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

Re: FIR Sauna; was: Sjogren's/lyme treatment

Hi Nenah,

Thanks so much for your response. I did a " Hubbard type " cleanse

through a clinic, not the Scientology center. I did three 30 min.

sauna sessions with prescribed supplements, including oils and

lecithin. The clinic recommended more supplements than the Hubbard

program, based on BioMeridian testing. It also included aminioes and

liquid trace minerals.

I began to feel pretty good a few days into the program, but fatigue

set in after about a week. I wasn't overly concerned because we felt

it was a healing response. Getting close to the third week, my throat

and mouth began burning as if I'd scalded myself. I also became very

dry--eyes, mouth, skin. I'm feeling considerably worse than when I

started the program and every symptom is exaggerated. Due to risk of

liability, the clinic advised that we stop the program.

Dr. Pressman noted that I may have been in the midst of healing and

stopping the process basically got me stuck in an uncomfortable place.

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on what is going

on--healing, depletion, etc.?

Thanks for the link to your books. They both look good.

Sauna therapy severely depletes not only minerals, but also vitamins. I

> mention this, the dangers of EMF, and many other topics in my book The

> Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy. I like to use liquid supplements

because

> they are more easily absorbed than pills or capsules.

>

> You can read the table of contents of my sauna therapy book, and a few

> excerpts, at

> http://www.nenahsylver.com/default.asp?contentID=674 & toplevel=674

>

> In the book I also describe the Hubbard program, which involves a

strenuous

> protocol of sauna therapy with many nutritional supplements. I'd be

> interested to know why your health " plunged " after going through sauna

> therapy; what you felt before and after. As my book discusses, sauna

therapy

> is not for everyone all the time. It depends on the condition of the

system.

>

> Sincerely,

> Nenah

>

> Nenah Sylver, PhD

> http://www.nenahsylver.com

> * The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing

> * The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy

>

July 9, 2007

Re: FIR Sauna; was: Sjogren's/lyme treatment

> Hi Nenah,

>

> Thanks so much for your response. I did a " Hubbard type " cleanse

> through a clinic, not the Scientology center. I did three 30 min.

> sauna sessions with prescribed supplements, including oils and

> lecithin. The clinic recommended more supplements than the Hubbard

> program, based on BioMeridian testing. It also included aminioes and

> liquid trace minerals.

>

> I began to feel pretty good a few days into the program, but fatigue

> set in after about a week. I wasn't overly concerned because we felt

> it was a healing response. Getting close to the third week, my throat

> and mouth began burning as if I'd scalded myself. I also became very

> dry--eyes, mouth, skin. I'm feeling considerably worse than when I

> started the program and every symptom is exaggerated. Due to risk of

> liability, the clinic advised that we stop the program.

>

> Dr. Pressman noted that I may have been in the midst of healing and

> stopping the process basically got me stuck in an uncomfortable place.

> I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on what is going

> on--healing, depletion, etc.?

>

> Thanks for the link to your books. They both look good.

>

,

There have been some excellent suggestions from others related to your

situation, so I'll focus on what wasn't addressed. I have a question: What type

of sauna were you using? (I'm assuming it was dry.) Was it FIR, or an

unspecified heater? If FIR, what range was it in? Most important -- was it a

sauna +room+, or a cabinet (the kind where your head sticks out)?

All of the Hubbard programs I'm aware of never use sauna cabinets, only rooms.

I'm wondering if the toxins that were emitted came right back into your eyes.

That could account for some of the eye discomfort.

Recycling of toxins (which could happen in both a room and a cabinet, though

being in a cabinet would lessen this) could account for the sensations and

fatigue you were feeling. Were you getting enough protein? If some of the toxins

got recycled back into your system, the liver would have to break them down

again. If the liver doesn't get enough protein and it's fed too many carbs, it

doesn't function properly.

You mention fatigue. When I was doing the research for my sauna therapy book,

one piece of info that really made an impression on me was how adrenal stress

makes it inadvisable for someone to do sauna therapy. It was something I'd never

thought of. Here is the passage from the book verbatim, under the

" contraindications " section:

Adrenal stress. " Adrenal stress " is a general term for overwork and exhaustion

of the adrenal glands. This is implicated in a large number of conditions,

including chronic fatigue and depression. Heat stimulates the adrenals to

increase its secretion of several different hormones, including cortisol. With

adrenals that are too depleted, intense stimulation will only drain them more,

and ultimately make them nonfunctional. However, if the adrenals are merely

tired but still have some level of function, sauna bathing might help,

particularly if toxins are preventing the glands from functioning properly. This

is why it is necessary to consult with a qualified health professional who can

determine adrenal stress levels. With people too ill to use the sauna, after the

adrenals are nourished and even just slightly rejuvenated, sauna therapy can

help. [p. 156]

It's tempting to state that a negative reaction from a protocol is a cleansing

response. However, when you're the one feeling that negative response, it

sometimes seems as though the treatment is worse than the condition!

Then there's the issue of heavy metals, including mercury. You mentioned that

you still had mercury in your mouth. If numerous heavy metals are still in the

body, the same or worse health problems might re-surface. Regarding chlorella, I

know from personal experience that when I take too much chlorella, I feel very

ill and it's a sign to cut back.

Have you considered seeing a constitutional homeopath? Homeopathy can be a very

gentle but helpful way of dealing with all types of symptoms and the underlying

miasms. There are also homeopathic protocols for heavy metal removal.

Best wishes,

Nenah

Nenah Sylver, PhD

http://www.nenahsylver.com

* The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing

* The Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy

July 9, 2007

sounds like 1) you were in the middle of cleansing and then stopped or 2)

serious dehydration or 3) one of the supplements was causing the reaction.

easy to figure out by testing each possibility one at a time.

was there a large dose of lipoic acid or other chelator in your supplement list?

Re: FIR Sauna; was: Sjogren's/lyme treatment

It wasn't Jim's program, though I was doing his program earlier. He

said he'd reduced the sauna time after some people had bad effects.

I do still have amalgams. They're about 30 yrs. old and I was planning

to get them removed, but then got sick. Testing didn't show any

mercury toxicity, but I have several fillings so it seems unlikely

that I don't have mercury stashed somewhere.

Really interesting about the electrical system of the body and sodium

depletion. I've done exactly the opposite of what you suggest

regarding salt intake. My mouth is so sore and dry that I stopped

salting my food.

I was taking a boatload of supps and am still taking quite a bit. The

clinic recommended taking them for 4 months after completing the

program. I eat a healthy diet(Weston Price) and have access to good

quality foods. I think poor absorption is a problem.

>

> oh no...

>

> this smells like jim's sauna 'program'. yes?????

>

> i've done alot of fir saunas, and i can easily see how they can

deplete you if you don't do it properly. i will only do them at

certain times, when i'm sure i will sweat alot. if i don't have alot

of sodium in me forget it i won't go near the thing.

>

> don't worship the tools, use them -- or not-- if it is not appropriate.

>

> do you still have amalgams in? i have heard potential negative

effects of fir if you still have them.

>

> try greatly increasing your sodium or salt intake-- assuming you

don't have bp issues or other sodium issues. or take a bath in heavily

salted water. or if you can handle raw dairy, raw milk and cheese is a

great source of sodium. in one of the books i read about kinesiology

it says that all the electrical systems are shut down without adequate

sodium, and thus the meridian testing will be inaccurate. with mercury

poisoning the kidneys dump too much sodium so without adequate salt

intake saunas will make this situation alot worse.

>

> mineral absorption/metabolism is very complex. imo too complex to

peg into any system or program. heavy metals can interfere with

intercellular absorption. supplements imo in the long term are not a

good way to go. best to use food and drink. first get your hcl levels

up to snuff with and of these: 1) salt 2) ginger 3) lemons/lemon juice

4) hcl tablets 5) apple cider vinegar. this will take care of

stomach's job. next find good food sources. all fresh fruit and

vegetable juices are easily as easily assimilable source of minerals.

vegetable soups, meat broths, bone broths. there are tons of ways to

get minerals in.

>

> if heavy metal poisoning is part of your problem, then as you begin

to rid yourself of the metals, the cellular mineral absorption should

start to fire up again.

>

> it goes without saying that if you are chemically sensitive your

liver needs alot of tending to.

>

> what were the supplements you were taking?

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yes 150 mg of lipoic can definitely do damage depending on the

person/situation. it is as strong as dmsa or dmps and will move mercury around.

try stopping it for a period of time. then when you restart it start at a very

small dose and ramp up. check out andrew cutler's book on amalgam... he would

strongly caution against taking any chelator while amalagams are still in place.

if i took that amount my health would rapidly backslide.

Re: FIR Sauna; was: Sjogren's/lyme treatment

I'm thinking possible cleansing or supplement reaction. I'm taking 150

mg. lipoic acid and chlorella. That doesn't sound too high, do you think?

>

> sounds like 1) you were in the middle of cleansing and then stopped

or 2) serious dehydration or 3) one of the supplements was causing the

reaction.

>

> easy to figure out by testing each possibility one at a time.

>

> was there a large dose of lipoic acid or other chelator in your

supplement list?

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Nenah,

Do you know about the impact of fir saunas on the sdrenals? I'd seen a few fir

sauna companes list that as a precaution on their website. Here's one:

http://www.healthyinfraredsaunas.com/Precautions.html

I'd held off on buying one, while looking for a doctor to test the adrenals

and later found out I had pretty severe adrenal fatigue to go along with

hashimoto's and copd. What are the reasons that fir saunas aren't good for

people with adrenal problems. Does it also pertain to other forms of heat, eg. -

steams, saunas, ozone, hot baths etc?

Thanks for your feedback,

Nenah Sylver <nenahsylver@...> wrote: