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In a message dated 1/17/2007 8:13:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

RLthomas2@... writes:

Then she cried and said her OCD is making her

crazy. I don't know what to do or how best to handle these situations.

Robin -

I'm sure in the many posts that someone has brought up the " OCD bully "

explanation, but just in case they haven't - it's a great way to explain to kids

how to handle these situations. Tell your daughter that OCD is just like a

big bully on the playground. A bully wants to push you around & make you do

things you don't want to do or that you know you shouldn't do. Everyone knows

the best way to handle a bully is to ignore them. Just walk away & show the

bully (OCD) that you will NOT be pushed around and forced to do things you

don't want to do. Tell her you can fight the " bully " together by her letting

you know the next time the " bully " is telling her to do something she doesn't

want to do. Then you can together think of a way to trick the bully/OCD and

show it that she is stronger than it is. Let her know that the more she

fights back the bully (OCD) the sooner the bully will stop telling her what to

do

- because it will realize she's not going to give in any more.

Just a thought.

LT

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No I haven't given her anything yet. She goes for her first Dr. apt.

tomorrow. I am going to get the omega3 & inositol today. She is 9 yr.

old and weighs 62 pounds what do you dose recommend I start with?

Thanks, Robin

>

> never had choking or " rages " unless I was breaking a ritual - but

then

> they can be nasty! I think you're doing good not giving into the

OCD -

> makes it hard but that's what works - remind her she's not crazy,

she

> will beat this - she will be stronger trhan the ocd very soon - if

she

> wants to pick one small thing and beat it -it will give her

confidence

> - have I asked if you give her omega3 and inositol - dd still had

> rituals but was much happier taking them may help with rage???

> hang in

> eileen

>

>

>

> Quoting notforsaken1 <RLthomas2@...>:

>

> > I may have spoke to soon. My 9 year old dd has tons of rituals &

> > compulsions but hasn't displayed any signs of raging or anger

until I

> > posted that she hadn't! The last few days she has been aggressive,

> > agitated, angry. It just comes in short burst and she bangs

things or

> > yells then she says that she is sorry. Is this how the raging

starts?

> > Last night she had some sort of ritual with her socks and I had

put

> > them on the floor she wanted them right then and I didn't get

them for

> > her so she started to choke herself. She said that if she didn't

get

> > the socks she would have to kill herself. I told her that if she

needed

> > the socks that she would have to get off the bed and get them

which she

> > did by climbing over me. After she got the socks she wanted to

climb

> > back over me to get on the bed. She said that she had to get on

the

> > same way she got off. Then she cried and said her OCD is making

her

> > crazy. I don't know what to do or how best to handle these

situations.

> > Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much. Robin

> >

> >

>

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my dd is 7 and 50 lbs I think I went light as I was scared to give too

much and the little amount I gave worked -I gave one packet of

Coromega and 1/8 tsp of KAL Inositol powder (which says 550 mg are in

that 1/8 tsp)and a small amount of OJ in the blender once a day so she

wouldn't have a huge drink to get down - she didn't mind the flavor

and it was a small amount so she never complained of gas as I've heard

on here- I noticed a difference in about a week or so

good luck

eileen

Quoting notforsaken1 <RLthomas2@...>:

> No I haven't given her anything yet. She goes for her first Dr. apt.

> tomorrow. I am going to get the omega3 & inositol today. She is 9 yr.

> old and weighs 62 pounds what do you dose recommend I start with?

> Thanks, Robin

>

>

>>

>> never had choking or " rages " unless I was breaking a ritual - but

> then

>> they can be nasty! I think you're doing good not giving into the

> OCD -

>> makes it hard but that's what works - remind her she's not crazy,

> she

>> will beat this - she will be stronger trhan the ocd very soon - if

> she

>> wants to pick one small thing and beat it -it will give her

> confidence

>> - have I asked if you give her omega3 and inositol - dd still had

>> rituals but was much happier taking them may help with rage???

>> hang in

>> eileen

>>

>>

>>

>> Quoting notforsaken1 <RLthomas2@...>:

>>

>> > I may have spoke to soon. My 9 year old dd has tons of rituals &

>> > compulsions but hasn't displayed any signs of raging or anger

> until I

>> > posted that she hadn't! The last few days she has been aggressive,

>> > agitated, angry. It just comes in short burst and she bangs

> things or

>> > yells then she says that she is sorry. Is this how the raging

> starts?

>> > Last night she had some sort of ritual with her socks and I had

> put

>> > them on the floor she wanted them right then and I didn't get

> them for

>> > her so she started to choke herself. She said that if she didn't

> get

>> > the socks she would have to kill herself. I told her that if she

> needed

>> > the socks that she would have to get off the bed and get them

> which she

>> > did by climbing over me. After she got the socks she wanted to

> climb

>> > back over me to get on the bed. She said that she had to get on

> the

>> > same way she got off. Then she cried and said her OCD is making

> her

>> > crazy. I don't know what to do or how best to handle these

> situations.

>> > Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much. Robin

>> >

>> >

>>

>

>

>

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This is a great idea! I am so new to this I haven't even read my

first book on OCD yet! I am on my way to Borders right now to get

Tamar C. book on parenting the OCD child. Also the two books

recommended for children. What kind of things do you do to " trick the

bully " ?

>

>

> In a message dated 1/17/2007 8:13:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> RLthomas2@... writes:

>

> Then she cried and said her OCD is making her

> crazy. I don't know what to do or how best to handle these

situations.

>

>

>

> Robin -

>

> I'm sure in the many posts that someone has brought up the " OCD

bully "

> explanation, but just in case they haven't - it's a great way to

explain to kids

> how to handle these situations. Tell your daughter that OCD is

just like a

> big bully on the playground. A bully wants to push you around &

make you do

> things you don't want to do or that you know you shouldn't do.

Everyone knows

> the best way to handle a bully is to ignore them. Just walk away

& show the

> bully (OCD) that you will NOT be pushed around and forced to do

things you

> don't want to do. Tell her you can fight the " bully " together by

her letting

> you know the next time the " bully " is telling her to do something

she doesn't

> want to do. Then you can together think of a way to trick the

bully/OCD and

> show it that she is stronger than it is. Let her know that the

more she

> fights back the bully (OCD) the sooner the bully will stop telling

her what to do

> - because it will realize she's not going to give in any more.

>

> Just a thought.

> LT

>

>

>

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What worked REALLY well for us along that same regard is also in her book, but

the " junk mail " theory. I saved my junk mail and asked my friends for theirs

and we read the outside of the envelopes together - how they seemed so urgent

and important, but that when you actually got down to the real content, it was

nothing. The thoughts they get are stamped " urgent " " pay attention to me " " I'm

so real " , but really, a thought is just a thought. That's all it is!

Our brains get " junk mail " messages. Things that are stamped so important but

are really just nothing.

Another good analogy I read here on thsi board is that ocd is like a dog

begging at the table. If you don't feed it or give in, eventually it will go

away, but the more you give it your time (or scraps), the more it comes begging.

OCD kids need to realize their thoughts are not that much different than

anyone else's thoughts. It's just that instead of coming and going, they get

stuck there.

Good luck and don't forget Aureen Wagner's books too. I enjoy they both

(Chansky and Wagner) but Wagner's books are a little more " easy reading " . I

read those when my brain is not really into it -but I gear up for Chansky

reading!

in TN

notforsaken1 <RLthomas2@...> wrote:

This is a great idea! I am so new to this I haven't even read my

first book on OCD yet! I am on my way to Borders right now to get

Tamar C. book on parenting the OCD child. Also the two books

recommended for children. What kind of things do you do to " trick the

bully " ?

>

>

> In a message dated 1/17/2007 8:13:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> RLthomas2@... writes:

>

> Then she cried and said her OCD is making her

> crazy. I don't know what to do or how best to handle these

situations.

>

>

>

> Robin -

>

> I'm sure in the many posts that someone has brought up the " OCD

bully "

> explanation, but just in case they haven't - it's a great way to

explain to kids

> how to handle these situations. Tell your daughter that OCD is

just like a

> big bully on the playground. A bully wants to push you around &

make you do

> things you don't want to do or that you know you shouldn't do.

Everyone knows

> the best way to handle a bully is to ignore them. Just walk away

& show the

> bully (OCD) that you will NOT be pushed around and forced to do

things you

> don't want to do. Tell her you can fight the " bully " together by

her letting

> you know the next time the " bully " is telling her to do something

she doesn't

> want to do. Then you can together think of a way to trick the

bully/OCD and

> show it that she is stronger than it is. Let her know that the

more she

> fights back the bully (OCD) the sooner the bully will stop telling

her what to do

> - because it will realize she's not going to give in any more.

>

> Just a thought.

> LT

>

>

>

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Hello Robin,

I'm not sure I'm at all qualified to be giving out advice but my daughter

(9) also has angry outbursts (not always tied to breaking a ritual). She

becomes so overwhelmed by the OCD that she has to hurt something and she

often feels like she no longer wants to live. It all seems to worsen when

she is taking any type of SSRI. We will have periods where things start to

get better, and then the manic angry Elise comes out of nowhere. Please call

your doctor if she is already on meds because they could be the culprit and

she will need to be taken off of them quickly if that is the case. The

medication rollercoaster has been hard on Elise but I try to stay positive

that along with a wonderful therapist, we will find the right combination

that works for her.

When the raging starts, it's important to remember that fighting the OCD (at

that moment) is impossible. Getting her to a calm and safe place is the most

important thing. Through therapy I found my job in those insanely

frustrating moments is to validate her fears so that she does not feel alone

or crazy. If she knows that she can rely on you to just be in the moment

with her when she's raging, it will make it easier for her to trust you when

the time comes to coach her to fight back. This was one of the hardest

lessons for me to learn, but real trust did not come with my daughter until

I let myself sit with the pain right along with her. It's so important that

you tell her that you know these feelings are real to her and that you are

never going to give up the fight to help her. Remind her of all the things

you are doing to help her fight back (it's very helpful to Elise when I

point out all the people we have on our side helping, and everything I have

done to educate myself).

I don't know if I have helped. Stay strong and forgive yourself when you

can't be.

_____

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Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 8:09 AM

Subject: Anger & Outbursts?

I may have spoke to soon. My 9 year old dd has tons of rituals &

compulsions but hasn't displayed any signs of raging or anger until I

posted that she hadn't! The last few days she has been aggressive,

agitated, angry. It just comes in short burst and she bangs things or

yells then she says that she is sorry. Is this how the raging starts?

Last night she had some sort of ritual with her socks and I had put

them on the floor she wanted them right then and I didn't get them for

her so she started to choke herself. She said that if she didn't get

the socks she would have to kill herself. I told her that if she needed

the socks that she would have to get off the bed and get them which she

did by climbing over me. After she got the socks she wanted to climb

back over me to get on the bed. She said that she had to get on the

same way she got off. Then she cried and said her OCD is making her

crazy. I don't know what to do or how best to handle these situations.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much. Robin

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I have learnt that I needed to remember to take care of me also. When I didn't

it made it more difficult to be there when the OCD surfaced. By doing this your

child will learn from it also.

LD

Ballard <hlballard@...> wrote:

Hello Robin,

I'm not sure I'm at all qualified to be giving out advice but my daughter

(9) also has angry outbursts (not always tied to breaking a ritual). She

becomes so overwhelmed by the OCD that she has to hurt something and she

often feels like she no longer wants to live. It all seems to worsen when

she is taking any type of SSRI. We will have periods where things start to

get better, and then the manic angry Elise comes out of nowhere. Please call

your doctor if she is already on meds because they could be the culprit and

she will need to be taken off of them quickly if that is the case. The

medication rollercoaster has been hard on Elise but I try to stay positive

that along with a wonderful therapist, we will find the right combination

that works for her.

When the raging starts, it's important to remember that fighting the OCD (at

that moment) is impossible. Getting her to a calm and safe place is the most

important thing. Through therapy I found my job in those insanely

frustrating moments is to validate her fears so that she does not feel alone

or crazy. If she knows that she can rely on you to just be in the moment

with her when she's raging, it will make it easier for her to trust you when

the time comes to coach her to fight back. This was one of the hardest

lessons for me to learn, but real trust did not come with my daughter until

I let myself sit with the pain right along with her. It's so important that

you tell her that you know these feelings are real to her and that you are

never going to give up the fight to help her. Remind her of all the things

you are doing to help her fight back (it's very helpful to Elise when I

point out all the people we have on our side helping, and everything I have

done to educate myself).

I don't know if I have helped. Stay strong and forgive yourself when you

can't be.

_____

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of notforsaken1

Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 8:09 AM

Subject: Anger & Outbursts?

I may have spoke to soon. My 9 year old dd has tons of rituals &

compulsions but hasn't displayed any signs of raging or anger until I

posted that she hadn't! The last few days she has been aggressive,

agitated, angry. It just comes in short burst and she bangs things or

yells then she says that she is sorry. Is this how the raging starts?

Last night she had some sort of ritual with her socks and I had put

them on the floor she wanted them right then and I didn't get them for

her so she started to choke herself. She said that if she didn't get

the socks she would have to kill herself. I told her that if she needed

the socks that she would have to get off the bed and get them which she

did by climbing over me. After she got the socks she wanted to climb

back over me to get on the bed. She said that she had to get on the

same way she got off. Then she cried and said her OCD is making her

crazy. I don't know what to do or how best to handle these situations.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much. Robin

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