Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 In a message dated 1/17/2007 8:13:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, RLthomas2@... writes: Then she cried and said her OCD is making her crazy. I don't know what to do or how best to handle these situations. Robin - I'm sure in the many posts that someone has brought up the " OCD bully " explanation, but just in case they haven't - it's a great way to explain to kids how to handle these situations. Tell your daughter that OCD is just like a big bully on the playground. A bully wants to push you around & make you do things you don't want to do or that you know you shouldn't do. Everyone knows the best way to handle a bully is to ignore them. Just walk away & show the bully (OCD) that you will NOT be pushed around and forced to do things you don't want to do. Tell her you can fight the " bully " together by her letting you know the next time the " bully " is telling her to do something she doesn't want to do. Then you can together think of a way to trick the bully/OCD and show it that she is stronger than it is. Let her know that the more she fights back the bully (OCD) the sooner the bully will stop telling her what to do - because it will realize she's not going to give in any more. Just a thought. LT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 No I haven't given her anything yet. She goes for her first Dr. apt. tomorrow. I am going to get the omega3 & inositol today. She is 9 yr. old and weighs 62 pounds what do you dose recommend I start with? Thanks, Robin > > never had choking or " rages " unless I was breaking a ritual - but then > they can be nasty! I think you're doing good not giving into the OCD - > makes it hard but that's what works - remind her she's not crazy, she > will beat this - she will be stronger trhan the ocd very soon - if she > wants to pick one small thing and beat it -it will give her confidence > - have I asked if you give her omega3 and inositol - dd still had > rituals but was much happier taking them may help with rage??? > hang in > eileen > > > > Quoting notforsaken1 <RLthomas2@...>: > > > I may have spoke to soon. My 9 year old dd has tons of rituals & > > compulsions but hasn't displayed any signs of raging or anger until I > > posted that she hadn't! The last few days she has been aggressive, > > agitated, angry. It just comes in short burst and she bangs things or > > yells then she says that she is sorry. Is this how the raging starts? > > Last night she had some sort of ritual with her socks and I had put > > them on the floor she wanted them right then and I didn't get them for > > her so she started to choke herself. She said that if she didn't get > > the socks she would have to kill herself. I told her that if she needed > > the socks that she would have to get off the bed and get them which she > > did by climbing over me. After she got the socks she wanted to climb > > back over me to get on the bed. She said that she had to get on the > > same way she got off. Then she cried and said her OCD is making her > > crazy. I don't know what to do or how best to handle these situations. > > Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much. Robin > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 my dd is 7 and 50 lbs I think I went light as I was scared to give too much and the little amount I gave worked -I gave one packet of Coromega and 1/8 tsp of KAL Inositol powder (which says 550 mg are in that 1/8 tsp)and a small amount of OJ in the blender once a day so she wouldn't have a huge drink to get down - she didn't mind the flavor and it was a small amount so she never complained of gas as I've heard on here- I noticed a difference in about a week or so good luck eileen Quoting notforsaken1 <RLthomas2@...>: > No I haven't given her anything yet. She goes for her first Dr. apt. > tomorrow. I am going to get the omega3 & inositol today. She is 9 yr. > old and weighs 62 pounds what do you dose recommend I start with? > Thanks, Robin > > >> >> never had choking or " rages " unless I was breaking a ritual - but > then >> they can be nasty! I think you're doing good not giving into the > OCD - >> makes it hard but that's what works - remind her she's not crazy, > she >> will beat this - she will be stronger trhan the ocd very soon - if > she >> wants to pick one small thing and beat it -it will give her > confidence >> - have I asked if you give her omega3 and inositol - dd still had >> rituals but was much happier taking them may help with rage??? >> hang in >> eileen >> >> >> >> Quoting notforsaken1 <RLthomas2@...>: >> >> > I may have spoke to soon. My 9 year old dd has tons of rituals & >> > compulsions but hasn't displayed any signs of raging or anger > until I >> > posted that she hadn't! The last few days she has been aggressive, >> > agitated, angry. It just comes in short burst and she bangs > things or >> > yells then she says that she is sorry. Is this how the raging > starts? >> > Last night she had some sort of ritual with her socks and I had > put >> > them on the floor she wanted them right then and I didn't get > them for >> > her so she started to choke herself. She said that if she didn't > get >> > the socks she would have to kill herself. I told her that if she > needed >> > the socks that she would have to get off the bed and get them > which she >> > did by climbing over me. After she got the socks she wanted to > climb >> > back over me to get on the bed. She said that she had to get on > the >> > same way she got off. Then she cried and said her OCD is making > her >> > crazy. I don't know what to do or how best to handle these > situations. >> > Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much. Robin >> > >> > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 This is a great idea! I am so new to this I haven't even read my first book on OCD yet! I am on my way to Borders right now to get Tamar C. book on parenting the OCD child. Also the two books recommended for children. What kind of things do you do to " trick the bully " ? > > > In a message dated 1/17/2007 8:13:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > RLthomas2@... writes: > > Then she cried and said her OCD is making her > crazy. I don't know what to do or how best to handle these situations. > > > > Robin - > > I'm sure in the many posts that someone has brought up the " OCD bully " > explanation, but just in case they haven't - it's a great way to explain to kids > how to handle these situations. Tell your daughter that OCD is just like a > big bully on the playground. A bully wants to push you around & make you do > things you don't want to do or that you know you shouldn't do. Everyone knows > the best way to handle a bully is to ignore them. Just walk away & show the > bully (OCD) that you will NOT be pushed around and forced to do things you > don't want to do. Tell her you can fight the " bully " together by her letting > you know the next time the " bully " is telling her to do something she doesn't > want to do. Then you can together think of a way to trick the bully/OCD and > show it that she is stronger than it is. Let her know that the more she > fights back the bully (OCD) the sooner the bully will stop telling her what to do > - because it will realize she's not going to give in any more. > > Just a thought. > LT > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 What worked REALLY well for us along that same regard is also in her book, but the " junk mail " theory. I saved my junk mail and asked my friends for theirs and we read the outside of the envelopes together - how they seemed so urgent and important, but that when you actually got down to the real content, it was nothing. The thoughts they get are stamped " urgent " " pay attention to me " " I'm so real " , but really, a thought is just a thought. That's all it is! Our brains get " junk mail " messages. Things that are stamped so important but are really just nothing. Another good analogy I read here on thsi board is that ocd is like a dog begging at the table. If you don't feed it or give in, eventually it will go away, but the more you give it your time (or scraps), the more it comes begging. OCD kids need to realize their thoughts are not that much different than anyone else's thoughts. It's just that instead of coming and going, they get stuck there. Good luck and don't forget Aureen Wagner's books too. I enjoy they both (Chansky and Wagner) but Wagner's books are a little more " easy reading " . I read those when my brain is not really into it -but I gear up for Chansky reading! in TN notforsaken1 <RLthomas2@...> wrote: This is a great idea! I am so new to this I haven't even read my first book on OCD yet! I am on my way to Borders right now to get Tamar C. book on parenting the OCD child. Also the two books recommended for children. What kind of things do you do to " trick the bully " ? > > > In a message dated 1/17/2007 8:13:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > RLthomas2@... writes: > > Then she cried and said her OCD is making her > crazy. I don't know what to do or how best to handle these situations. > > > > Robin - > > I'm sure in the many posts that someone has brought up the " OCD bully " > explanation, but just in case they haven't - it's a great way to explain to kids > how to handle these situations. Tell your daughter that OCD is just like a > big bully on the playground. A bully wants to push you around & make you do > things you don't want to do or that you know you shouldn't do. Everyone knows > the best way to handle a bully is to ignore them. Just walk away & show the > bully (OCD) that you will NOT be pushed around and forced to do things you > don't want to do. Tell her you can fight the " bully " together by her letting > you know the next time the " bully " is telling her to do something she doesn't > want to do. Then you can together think of a way to trick the bully/OCD and > show it that she is stronger than it is. Let her know that the more she > fights back the bully (OCD) the sooner the bully will stop telling her what to do > - because it will realize she's not going to give in any more. > > Just a thought. > LT > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Hello Robin, I'm not sure I'm at all qualified to be giving out advice but my daughter (9) also has angry outbursts (not always tied to breaking a ritual). She becomes so overwhelmed by the OCD that she has to hurt something and she often feels like she no longer wants to live. It all seems to worsen when she is taking any type of SSRI. We will have periods where things start to get better, and then the manic angry Elise comes out of nowhere. Please call your doctor if she is already on meds because they could be the culprit and she will need to be taken off of them quickly if that is the case. The medication rollercoaster has been hard on Elise but I try to stay positive that along with a wonderful therapist, we will find the right combination that works for her. When the raging starts, it's important to remember that fighting the OCD (at that moment) is impossible. Getting her to a calm and safe place is the most important thing. Through therapy I found my job in those insanely frustrating moments is to validate her fears so that she does not feel alone or crazy. If she knows that she can rely on you to just be in the moment with her when she's raging, it will make it easier for her to trust you when the time comes to coach her to fight back. This was one of the hardest lessons for me to learn, but real trust did not come with my daughter until I let myself sit with the pain right along with her. It's so important that you tell her that you know these feelings are real to her and that you are never going to give up the fight to help her. Remind her of all the things you are doing to help her fight back (it's very helpful to Elise when I point out all the people we have on our side helping, and everything I have done to educate myself). I don't know if I have helped. Stay strong and forgive yourself when you can't be. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of notforsaken1 Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 8:09 AM Subject: Anger & Outbursts? I may have spoke to soon. My 9 year old dd has tons of rituals & compulsions but hasn't displayed any signs of raging or anger until I posted that she hadn't! The last few days she has been aggressive, agitated, angry. It just comes in short burst and she bangs things or yells then she says that she is sorry. Is this how the raging starts? Last night she had some sort of ritual with her socks and I had put them on the floor she wanted them right then and I didn't get them for her so she started to choke herself. She said that if she didn't get the socks she would have to kill herself. I told her that if she needed the socks that she would have to get off the bed and get them which she did by climbing over me. After she got the socks she wanted to climb back over me to get on the bed. She said that she had to get on the same way she got off. Then she cried and said her OCD is making her crazy. I don't know what to do or how best to handle these situations. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much. Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 I have learnt that I needed to remember to take care of me also. When I didn't it made it more difficult to be there when the OCD surfaced. By doing this your child will learn from it also. LD Ballard <hlballard@...> wrote: Hello Robin, I'm not sure I'm at all qualified to be giving out advice but my daughter (9) also has angry outbursts (not always tied to breaking a ritual). She becomes so overwhelmed by the OCD that she has to hurt something and she often feels like she no longer wants to live. It all seems to worsen when she is taking any type of SSRI. We will have periods where things start to get better, and then the manic angry Elise comes out of nowhere. Please call your doctor if she is already on meds because they could be the culprit and she will need to be taken off of them quickly if that is the case. The medication rollercoaster has been hard on Elise but I try to stay positive that along with a wonderful therapist, we will find the right combination that works for her. When the raging starts, it's important to remember that fighting the OCD (at that moment) is impossible. Getting her to a calm and safe place is the most important thing. Through therapy I found my job in those insanely frustrating moments is to validate her fears so that she does not feel alone or crazy. If she knows that she can rely on you to just be in the moment with her when she's raging, it will make it easier for her to trust you when the time comes to coach her to fight back. This was one of the hardest lessons for me to learn, but real trust did not come with my daughter until I let myself sit with the pain right along with her. It's so important that you tell her that you know these feelings are real to her and that you are never going to give up the fight to help her. Remind her of all the things you are doing to help her fight back (it's very helpful to Elise when I point out all the people we have on our side helping, and everything I have done to educate myself). I don't know if I have helped. Stay strong and forgive yourself when you can't be. _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of notforsaken1 Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 8:09 AM Subject: Anger & Outbursts? I may have spoke to soon. My 9 year old dd has tons of rituals & compulsions but hasn't displayed any signs of raging or anger until I posted that she hadn't! The last few days she has been aggressive, agitated, angry. It just comes in short burst and she bangs things or yells then she says that she is sorry. Is this how the raging starts? Last night she had some sort of ritual with her socks and I had put them on the floor she wanted them right then and I didn't get them for her so she started to choke herself. She said that if she didn't get the socks she would have to kill herself. I told her that if she needed the socks that she would have to get off the bed and get them which she did by climbing over me. After she got the socks she wanted to climb back over me to get on the bed. She said that she had to get on the same way she got off. Then she cried and said her OCD is making her crazy. I don't know what to do or how best to handle these situations. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much. Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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