Guest guest Posted November 21, 2001 Report Share Posted November 21, 2001 --- margistraining@... wrote: > I have just discovered that I have gallstones. I > have been told my I > have a stone which is 1.3cm - is this too big to be > eliminated by the > liver flush method? > > I don't want to have my gall bladder removed! Well, I can tell you this much. I have done two flushes so far and among those stones that were eliminated were several that were about 1.5 cm. The ultrasound report (the one the doctors used to determine that I needed my gallbladder removed) indicated that my bile duct is 6mm. I figure if I can pass a 1.5 cm stone through a bile duct that is 6mm, then there's no way they're taking MY gallbladder! Each body is different, though, and so I don't think one person can say what another can do - all we can do is encourage each other to explore the possibilities. I consumed a LOT of green apple (whole, juiced and applesauced) before my first cleanse and that is supposed to soften the stones to make them easier to pass. That's the best advice I can offer - to do what you can to soften the stones before the cleanse so that their passage is as easy as possible. I have not experienced any pain or discomfort with these two cleanses so I am going to continue. Anyway, that's my long-winded way of saying that I think much more is possible than many doctors know. They are trained in a certain way and so they give advice accordingly. I think it takes a leap of faith to consider other possibilities and so I applaud you for being open enough to explore them. Good luck! __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2001 Report Share Posted November 21, 2001 That's the best advice I can offer - to do what you can to soften the stones before the cleanse so that their passage is as easy as possible. >> ******************************** And another thing, , the magnesium sulphate in the ES relaxes the bile ducts and makes the stones easier to pass. But the applejuice does start softening the stones. I'm not sure if it does the calcified ones or not. On one website that has a slightly different cleanse method, one woman is reported to have passed a gallstone the size of a hen's egg. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2001 Report Share Posted November 21, 2001 Hi, I've just finished my fourth cleanse, and have passed at least 2 stones that were 1.5cm. I've had my gallbladder removed, but these stones have to travel down the common bile duct, and I passed them painlessly. I'd definitely encourage you to do the cleanse if you can, but also do a parasite and kidney cleanse first. You can find recipies for them in Dr. 's book " The Cure for all Diseases, " or you can get it from a health food store. I use a parasite, kidney, bowel cleansing program by Nature's Medicine Corp. 1-800-408-1525. Dr. says to do the parasite cleanse first, however, I don't know if others recommend it also. Adrienne --- margistraining@... wrote: > I have just discovered that I have gallstones. I have been told my I > > have a stone which is 1.3cm - is this too big to be eliminated by the > > liver flush method? > > I don't want to have my gall bladder removed! > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2001 Report Share Posted November 22, 2001 I have just discovered that I have gallstones. I have been told my I have a stone which is 1.3cm - is this too big to be eliminated by the liver flush method? I don't want to have my gall bladder removed! Newly Diagnosed; 1.3 CM stones don't sound all that large to a lot of us here. I have posted a picture of a few of the gallstones that I got out in the gallstones online files. Agnes has also used the picture on her CureZone site. http://curezone.com/image_gallery/cleanse_flush/default.asp?i=49 & n=52 So, I wouldn't be too concerned about the size unless it's larger than the ones you can see got out of others. I can however appreciate the anxiety of wondering whether they would get stuck as you try expelling them from the liver and gallbladder through the common bile duct. Flushing the liver an gallbladder is certainly a fear inspiring process, but then so is someone standing over you while you're asleep and taking them from inside you, along with the gallbladder containing them. I've had two friends have gallbladders crack open. One died from the complications of the ruptured gallbladder while the other now has no pancreas and gallbladder he is alive and is doing quite well. I was told in 1999 that my gallbladder had " A " stone, and that it was also thickened i.e. diseased. My doctor told my wife and me that it probably hasn't been working too well for the last ten years, he may have been right because of all the belching I use to do. I too searched the Internet for a different method of dealing with getting them, or it, out. I never found a support group like this so I just did it on my own and had great success. In October of 1999, I had my fourth worst attack of the ones that would send me to the hospital, and interestingly enough according to the ultrasound I also had no stones and the gallbladder now looked as good as any other healthy gallbladder. This meant the ultrasound was saying something seven months after my first attacks that meant things can change. I can assure you, the nurses using the ultrasound were trying their damedest to find " A " stone or any stones for that matter, as there were two of them trying different power levels to accomplish this. While all this was happening the pain medication really hadn't taken effect, nor was it strong enough for this round, so it felt more like a torture than anything else. After telling me the results of the ultrasound my doctor also told me my blood test showed some serious potential problems with my liver even though it generally looked good. But, when told how I had flushed out the stones and asked what he thought of that his statement to us was, " you can't argue with success " . So, why the pain? That was because in my endeavor to keep my gallbladder I made a resolve to totally avoid all fats after my third attack in August. That was my biggest mistake since the body needs certain fats for cellular structure, and especially the liver. After doing a search of the internet, and having found a lot of useful information regarding the liver, I found out about the book, " The Liver Cleansing Diet " , by Dr. Cabot. I ordered her book, read it for the first time in virtually hours, purchased various oils for the essential fatty acids, especially lecithin and haven't had another attack since then. Oh, I've had times where I'd eat things I knew I shouldn't, and get a warning from my body, but it was no real pain. It didn't even require an aspirin. So, for all those who are newbies, I suggest strongly that you consider purchasing Dr. Cabot's books. She is a fluid writer for the novice at starting to get back the health they've lost from a previously poor diet. Even those who thought they were eating good come to realize they were likely destroying the foods nutritional qualities. So, welcome to the list and the best of health to you and yours as you start this new way of living. Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2003 Report Share Posted December 1, 2003 Hi, I just found your group and would greatly appreciate any advice/info you can give me. I was just diagnosed with RA last Tuesday and my doctor wants to start me on Plaqunil; has anyone found any non prescriptive alternatives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2003 Report Share Posted December 2, 2003 Welcome to the group. The current approach by most doctors is to begin aggressive treatment of RA early to try to avoid permanent joint damage. Plaquenil is one of the mildest RA drugs and I urge you not to try anything less. Permanent joint damage can start rather quickly so it is important to arrest the RA early. Probably more people get relief from Methotrexate than from Plaquenil, and some people need the newer biologics to get relief. Here are a couple of links I find useful, one to medicines and one to a description of RA. http://www.arthritisinsight.com/medical/meds/ http://www.arthritisinsight.com/medical/disease/ra/ra.html Let us know what you decide and keep the question coming. Good luck and God bless. ----- Original Message ----- From: amyers84 Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:19 PM Subject: newly diagnosed Hi, I just found your group and would greatly appreciate any advice/info you can give me. I was just diagnosed with RA last Tuesday and my doctor wants to start me on Plaqunil; has anyone found any non prescriptive alternatives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2003 Report Share Posted December 5, 2003 > Hi, I just found your group and would greatly appreciate any > advice/info you can give me. I was just diagnosed with RA last > Tuesday and my doctor wants to start me on Plaqunil; has anyone found > any non prescriptive alternatives? Hi, I'm newly diagnosed too, but not with full-blown RA at this point. I have " undifferentiated connective tissue disease " which means I have symptoms of more than one type of disease (RA, Lupus, Sjogrens), but not enough for a diagnosis of any one of them. Eighty percent of people with UCTD never do receive a " defined " diagnosis. I think my mom has RA though she refuses to see a doctor. Her hands have changed shape dramatically without any treatment. Observing her degeneration has made me more open to meds. I researched and tried many alternatives: acupuncture, supplements, dietary changes, homeopathy, visualization techniques, etc. These things help, but not to the level I need them to. An ibuprofin tablet does more for me that anything else right now. I am on Plaquenil, too, but it's too early to see any benefit. Some of you may remember that I wrote in saying that I was one of the rare people who had side effects from Plaquenil and that the rheumy prescribed Dapsone as an alternative. I didn't have a good feeling about the Dapsone for several reasons, so I decided to try Plaquenil again, but at half the dose (100 mg 1x/day). It was an idea that came to me when I considered how I've always been a person who needs far less of the recommended dose to get relief on other meds. I'm unusually sensitive. I informed the doctor of my plan via letter. It's been about 10 days and I've had no problems other than a dry mouth and a slight feeling of " being medicated " (hard to describe); both go away in a couple of hours. I really want Plaquenil to work for me because I've become convinced it is a safe and effective medication. So, today I'll be taking ibuprofin and Plaquenil but I'll also be getting an acupuncture treatment at 10:30 a.m.! Sierra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2004 Report Share Posted August 16, 2004 Hi Sharon my name is Sherrie and I have had hand splints before I went to the doctor and they made mine maybe they can do something for you I wish you the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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