Guest guest Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 Hi Wayne, May I ask if did you have a bad heart valve? If so, did you have any testings to confirm exactly what happened if improvement was made, or are you going by the 60% factor as being an indicator of improvement? How can you make a comparison if you don't know what it was before? Now if the colostrum and hawthorn did improve and/or restore a bad valve, that is so incouraging. May I now ask how much hawthorn and colostrum you took? You also mentioned you took the colostrum for about a year. Are you still taking it? How about the hawthorm? I'm wondering if continued use is necessary once restoration happens. Thanks, Gail -- In oxyplus , CWFugitt <cwayne@...> wrote: > > I used it for about a year after that. Also have used hawthorn berries and > the syrup.<snip> > > Not sure what mine was, but the test a few months back showed > 60 %. Some doctors said that was normal. > Not sure what happened to my bad heart valve. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 Hi Wayne, I'm not sure what you are saying. Are you saying you think your issue resolved with the use of hawthorn and colostrum? On my mom. No, I didn't say her ejection fraction improved, specifically. Though I'm thinking that is what they meant. They told her that her heart was 14-17% stronger. and they also told her that her heart had gotten smaller (it was enlarged) And her doctor told her they wanted to know what she was doing because, And I quote : " I know that nothing that we have you on did this. " To specifically improve ejection fraction while waiting for hawthorn and or colostrum to restore muscle, benfothiamine should be considered. Another natural product. I do not believe it fixes anything, but does improve the issue while the hawthorn and colostrum do the fixing. Replying to Gail's separate post. . .on the hawthorn and colostrum. It is important to know that hawthorn has been shown in medical laboratories to improve heart function. For my thesis paper, when going through Holistic Health Practitioner schooling, I wrote about natural medicine, backed by science, and hawthorn was one of the treatments i wrote about. Here is a place to read many medical studies on the effectiveness of hawthorn in naturally treating heart disease. http://www.herbmed.org/Herbs/Herb97.htm You will find with diligent reading that Modern Medical Science shows that hawthorn restores heart muscle, restores valves, regulates arythmias, and more. We are not talking, crazy uncle Herman ate some berries in the back yard and got better. We are talking laboratory proof. Same is true with colostrum. It is well researched and has been show to be effective in restoring muscle. The heart is a muscle. . . Blessings Donna http://www.excellentthings.com CWFugitt wrote: > > Evening Donna, > > >>Hawthorn is shown to restore heart tissue and repair valves. > > Thanks for the comments on the heart. > > Maybe a year ago you mentioned that your mother showed improvement after > using colostrum. > > I used it for about a year after that. Also have used hawthorn berries > and > the syrup. > > You also mentioned at that time, her Ejection Fraction had improved by > some > specific percent. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 Hi Wayne, I'm not sure what you are saying. Are you saying you think your issue resolved with the use of hawthorn and colostrum? On my mom. No, I didn't say her ejection fraction improved, specifically. Though I'm thinking that is what they meant. They told her that her heart was 14-17% stronger. and they also told her that her heart had gotten smaller (it was enlarged) And her doctor told her they wanted to know what she was doing because, And I quote : " I know that nothing that we have you on did this. " To specifically improve ejection fraction while waiting for hawthorn and or colostrum to restore muscle, benfothiamine should be considered. Another natural product. I do not believe it fixes anything, but does improve the issue while the hawthorn and colostrum do the fixing. Replying to Gail's separate post. . .on the hawthorn and colostrum. It is important to know that hawthorn has been shown in medical laboratories to improve heart function. For my thesis paper, when going through Holistic Health Practitioner schooling, I wrote about natural medicine, backed by science, and hawthorn was one of the treatments i wrote about. Here is a place to read many medical studies on the effectiveness of hawthorn in naturally treating heart disease. http://www.herbmed.org/Herbs/Herb97.htm You will find with diligent reading that Modern Medical Science shows that hawthorn restores heart muscle, restores valves, regulates arythmias, and more. We are not talking, crazy uncle Herman ate some berries in the back yard and got better. We are talking laboratory proof. Same is true with colostrum. It is well researched and has been show to be effective in restoring muscle. The heart is a muscle. . . Blessings Donna http://www.excellentthings.com CWFugitt wrote: > > Evening Donna, > > >>Hawthorn is shown to restore heart tissue and repair valves. > > Thanks for the comments on the heart. > > Maybe a year ago you mentioned that your mother showed improvement after > using colostrum. > > I used it for about a year after that. Also have used hawthorn berries > and > the syrup. > > You also mentioned at that time, her Ejection Fraction had improved by > some > specific percent. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 HI Donna, Do you have a recommended amount one should take if one simply picks up a bottle at the health food store? Thanks, Gail > You will find with diligent reading that Modern Medical Science shows > that hawthorn restores heart muscle, restores valves, regulates > arythmias, and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 HI Donna, Do you have a recommended amount one should take if one simply picks up a bottle at the health food store? Thanks, Gail > You will find with diligent reading that Modern Medical Science shows > that hawthorn restores heart muscle, restores valves, regulates > arythmias, and more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 When taking Hawthorne " standardized extract " the minimum recommended amount is 400 mgs, though more can be taken. For children I would go to this site and use their product and ask them for childrens dosages. http://www.hawthornsyrup.com/ . . .if it was me. Blessings Donna http://www.excellentthings.com wanda85929 wrote: > > HI Donna, > > Do you have a recommended amount one should take if one simply picks > up a bottle at the health food store? > > Thanks, > > Gail > > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2007 Report Share Posted June 11, 2007 When taking Hawthorne " standardized extract " the minimum recommended amount is 400 mgs, though more can be taken. For children I would go to this site and use their product and ask them for childrens dosages. http://www.hawthornsyrup.com/ . . .if it was me. Blessings Donna http://www.excellentthings.com wanda85929 wrote: > > HI Donna, > > Do you have a recommended amount one should take if one simply picks > up a bottle at the health food store? > > Thanks, > > Gail > > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Good morning to you, too, Wayne. Replies below. -- In oxyplus , CWFugitt <cwayne@...> wrote: > You ask some valid questions. > First, most of what I know about the heart, I have learned in my > laboratory, the human body. Observation, feelings, ect. *** I ask valid questions because I seek scientific truth, which will always stands up to strutiny. I simply want the facts, and imo, nobody knows their body as well as the one who occupies that space. Still it is possible we can miss a thing or two. > > Most everything that all the doctors have told me has not been worth 25 > cents. Like the 5 that told me I had a skin cancer and it healed up > nicely without any help from them. *** Well, did you have skin cancer and treated it with something alternatively which healed it, or did you have some other skin condition that simply healed on it's own because it never was cancer in the first place? > > I eat less and less meat, even though I am not opposed to eating meat. I > just don't want it. *** I still vividly remember an ER nurse posting on one of these lists (can't remember which list now) who stated that in all the years she worked in the ER she never saw any vegetarians come in with a heart attack and/or stroke. Stated it just never happened. To me those facts speak for themself. I believe the diet is the number 1 remedy to our health problems, heart disease included. I really do believe that our food is the best medicine. Not only what we eat, but also what we DON'T eat. Still I eat meat. I think it's important to have some, but obviously not in excess. BTW, even licenses cardiologists will say that fish oil in most beneficial to the heart. I guess what I'm trying to say is I feel our food plays a major part in our health. > > One week I did not go to bed from Monday morning until Thursday night at > midnight. At 6 AM on Friday Morning, I was 100 miles from home at the job > site. When I worked these long hours, I learned that we must supply food, > energy, and blood electrolytes, eat fruit, and drink water. *** Well, that is certainly a testimony to your physical stamina, but I have to say, if that is a lifestyle rather than a once in a while because it couldn't be helped thing, then it borderlines on abuse. Everybody's body needs rest. > > My heart and overall physical condition is not as good as it was a few > years ago. *** That's the reality of life. Our bodies simply wear out. What we do to care for them, I believe, plays a major factor in how long they last. I happen to think you are doing a very good job! I tell everyone, I don't know how bad off I am. I don't plan to pay for a > bunch of bogus tests to find out. *** I don't think clinical testings are " bogus " . To me they are scientifically showing factually ( without any emotional imput or prejudice whatsoever) what is going on in our bodies. Still " human " error can sometimes play into it. I question the necessity of always having to be put through all the testing they often want one to do. Still I'm pretty amazed at the technology they have now to probe into our bodies. It amazes me. Whether or not you choose to seek medical services is strictly up to you. For whatever reason, most will if something major happens even those from the alternative schooling. Still a healthy life-style goes a long way and cannot be argued about by either allopathy or alternative. > > I am open to suggestions and criticism. *** Well, I don't have any criticism. I happen to think you're doing very good. I also like the fact that you are " open " to suggestions. It's the closed minded people that usually don't fare very well. It's only a matter of time for them. > > Here is some of the work I have done this year. > > Here are the links to this years small produce planting. > http://www.fugitt.com/files/food0507/ > > http://www.fugitt.com/files/food060207/ > Take a look. The second one has some good pictures. >*** As always, you are an excellent gardener. Your work is breathtakingly beautiful! Thank you for sharing. Gail > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Hi Wayne This is not the best plan. Colostrum is best taken on an empty stomach. Just put in mouth and wash down with water. The first best time is bedtime, as this is when the body releases the most growth hormone, for the purpose of doing repairs while you sleep. So you are mimicing the bodies own cycle by taking it them. The next biggest release of growth hormone is upon awaking, so this is the second best time to take it. Other than these two, most optimum, times, it can be taken any time on an empty stomach. Body building clients have reported to me that they take it 1/2 hour before a weight work out and that they feel they get better results this way, with the circulating hgh in the system to help build muscle. That is the theory anyway. I have not done that. Colostrum makes me sleepy so bed time is the best time for me. Others find it increases their energy, and so they take it when they have a lag or are about to expend extra energy. Hope some of this is helpful. Warmly Donna http://www.excellentthings.com CWFugitt wrote: > > Morning Gail, > > >> At 01:32 PM 6/11/2007, you wrote: > > > I take colostrum two or three times per week when I add it to my whey > protein drink. I only use the whey protein drink a few times per week to > provide energy when I do not eat enough conventional food. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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