Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Dear Chrisy, Ozone therapy will take care of your problems over a period of months (about 6 weeks for every year you have been sick). Your best approach would be vaginal insufflation, supplemented with ear insufflation and ozonated drinking water, and a couple of liver cleanses. It is not dangerous in any way. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman http://www.plasmafire.com ozone therapy and CFS Hi, I am new to this group, I have CFS for 11 years now, and also positive viruses EBV and HHV6 for long years, my immune system is perturbated, like the always quite low in white blood cells, Nk, and red blood cells (anemia). I might also have some adrenal and thyroid problem, that are not yet diagnosed. I am always exhausted and have no energy at all and so desperate for any treatment, that would gave me a bit of my life again. I heared of ozone therapy few days ago, and wonder if anyone can tell me if ozone therapy is benifical for people like my case? and how is it benefical? also I heared that there is a lot of form for ozone therapy?? wondring which one should a person in my case choose? Also Is these are a life time therapy, or is it usually done for a specific period of time? Also I heared that Ozone therapy could be dangerous? is this has anything true in it? and what is the danger of it, if there is any? any information or personal experience would be very appreciated. thank you so much for your help. Chrisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 Chrissy, I am just wondering but have you considered Lyme disease?Lyme and co-infections seem to open the door to other viruses as well attack the thyroid and adrenals. Best Wishes, chrisy8 <chrisy8@...> wrote: Hi, I am new to this group, I have CFS for 11 years now, and also positive viruses EBV and HHV6 for long years, my immune system is perturbated, like the always quite low in white blood cells, Nk, and red blood cells (anemia). I might also have some adrenal and thyroid problem, that are not yet diagnosed. I am always exhausted and have no energy at all and so desperate for any treatment, that would gave me a bit of my life again. I heared of ozone therapy few days ago, and wonder if anyone can tell me if ozone therapy is benifical for people like my case? and how is it benefical? also I heared that there is a lot of form for ozone therapy?? wondring which one should a person in my case choose? Also Is these are a life time therapy, or is it usually done for a specific period of time? Also I heared that Ozone therapy could be dangerous? is this has anything true in it? and what is the danger of it, if there is any? any information or personal experience would be very appreciated. thank you so much for your help. Chrisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 HiChrisy, Sorry to hear about your situation. I spent 18 years dealing with similar issues. I learned a little bit. One thing that pretty much every CFS person has is adrenal fatigue. I'd highly recommend you check out " Adrenal Fatigue " by Dr. A . It's cheap and could be life changing. His products can be broken down to individual items and purhcased else where if you know you do not do well on certain things. In other words. You can check out the ingredients and take what you can and ignore the rest. One product that is worth checking out that He does not recommend is Adrenal Support by Natra-bio. It is a homeopathic and is really wonderful. Inexpensive and easy on the body and helps with daily energy levels. Of course simple basic cleansing is a good idea. I assume you have done some, or plan to do some. Probiotics (acidophilus type stuff) are a must and a good prebiotic like NOW Foods Inulin can be helpful also. Most CFS people do well with magnesium. Magnesium orotate is the best oral mag I know of. http://www.excellentthings.com That one was miraculous for me. There are so many things that helped me greatly, tho they did not cure me: Co-Q-10 - Walmart Coral Calcium - Walmart Fulvic Acid Minerals - http://www.excellentthings.com Evening Primrose Oil - NowFoods Acidophilus Inner Garden Flora Vit D by Natures Life Chlorella Bee Pollen Royal Jelly Blood electrification - beck-n-stuff-subscribe Magnetic pulsing - same place as above Chi Machine - http://www.excellentthings.com Infra red - same place as above The adrenal program of Dr. A , mentioned above All these and more helped me at one time or another, to come up out of near death to functioning pretty well. But I never could quite make it to completely whole. I had to guard myself strictly to function somewhat normally. In the end the answer for me was spiritual. http://www.fountain-of-life-healing-school.com I wish you well on your journey to health. Donna http://www.excellentthings.com http://www.fountain-of-life-healing-school.com chrisy8 wrote: > > Hi, > > I am new to this group, I have CFS for 11 years now, and also > positive viruses EBV and HHV6 for long years, my immune system is > perturbated, like the always quite low in white blood cells, Nk, and > red blood cells (anemia). I might also have some adrenal and > thyroid problem, that are not yet diagnosed. I am always exhausted > and have no energy at all and so desperate for any treatment, that > would gave me a bit of my life again. > > I heared of ozone therapy few days ago, and wonder if anyone can > tell me if ozone therapy is benifical for people like my case? and > how is it benefical? also I heared that there is a lot of form for > ozone therapy?? wondring which one should a person in my case > choose? Also Is these are a life time therapy, or is it usually > done for a specific period of time? > > Also I heared that Ozone therapy could be dangerous? is this has > anything true in it? and what is the danger of it, if there is any? > > any information or personal experience would be very appreciated. > > thank you so much for your help. > Chrisy > > __._, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 HiChrisy, Sorry to hear about your situation. I spent 18 years dealing with similar issues. I learned a little bit. One thing that pretty much every CFS person has is adrenal fatigue. I'd highly recommend you check out " Adrenal Fatigue " by Dr. A . It's cheap and could be life changing. His products can be broken down to individual items and purhcased else where if you know you do not do well on certain things. In other words. You can check out the ingredients and take what you can and ignore the rest. One product that is worth checking out that He does not recommend is Adrenal Support by Natra-bio. It is a homeopathic and is really wonderful. Inexpensive and easy on the body and helps with daily energy levels. Of course simple basic cleansing is a good idea. I assume you have done some, or plan to do some. Probiotics (acidophilus type stuff) are a must and a good prebiotic like NOW Foods Inulin can be helpful also. Most CFS people do well with magnesium. Magnesium orotate is the best oral mag I know of. http://www.excellentthings.com That one was miraculous for me. There are so many things that helped me greatly, tho they did not cure me: Co-Q-10 - Walmart Coral Calcium - Walmart Fulvic Acid Minerals - http://www.excellentthings.com Evening Primrose Oil - NowFoods Acidophilus Inner Garden Flora Vit D by Natures Life Chlorella Bee Pollen Royal Jelly Blood electrification - beck-n-stuff-subscribe Magnetic pulsing - same place as above Chi Machine - http://www.excellentthings.com Infra red - same place as above The adrenal program of Dr. A , mentioned above All these and more helped me at one time or another, to come up out of near death to functioning pretty well. But I never could quite make it to completely whole. I had to guard myself strictly to function somewhat normally. In the end the answer for me was spiritual. http://www.fountain-of-life-healing-school.com I wish you well on your journey to health. Donna http://www.excellentthings.com http://www.fountain-of-life-healing-school.com chrisy8 wrote: > > Hi, > > I am new to this group, I have CFS for 11 years now, and also > positive viruses EBV and HHV6 for long years, my immune system is > perturbated, like the always quite low in white blood cells, Nk, and > red blood cells (anemia). I might also have some adrenal and > thyroid problem, that are not yet diagnosed. I am always exhausted > and have no energy at all and so desperate for any treatment, that > would gave me a bit of my life again. > > I heared of ozone therapy few days ago, and wonder if anyone can > tell me if ozone therapy is benifical for people like my case? and > how is it benefical? also I heared that there is a lot of form for > ozone therapy?? wondring which one should a person in my case > choose? Also Is these are a life time therapy, or is it usually > done for a specific period of time? > > Also I heared that Ozone therapy could be dangerous? is this has > anything true in it? and what is the danger of it, if there is any? > > any information or personal experience would be very appreciated. > > thank you so much for your help. > Chrisy > > __._, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Ozone can be very dangerous!!!!! - if you listen to conventional medicine! (Please note the sarcasm here!) However, none of these brilliant doctors has ever had anything to do with ozone therapy or read anything about it. That doesn't stop them from making these important pronouncements against one of the most helpful and best health therapies I have used. I don't know who they think they are. When a doctor does take that time, they become converts............. BUT they, or most of them, remain to scared to promote it because the AMA will come down so hard against them! Best wishes and much love, Ken Ken Gullan Institute for Research Integration (IRI), San Diego, CA 92106-2424 IRI is a 501C(3) non-profit corporation established to help children with developmental difficulties. To contact me off-list use kengullan@... or call 619-222-1104 ozone therapy and CFS Hi, I am new to this group, I have CFS for 11 years now, and also positive viruses EBV and HHV6 for long years, my immune system is perturbated, like the always quite low in white blood cells, Nk, and red blood cells (anemia). I might also have some adrenal and thyroid problem, that are not yet diagnosed. I am always exhausted and have no energy at all and so desperate for any treatment, that would gave me a bit of my life again. I heared of ozone therapy few days ago, and wonder if anyone can tell me if ozone therapy is benifical for people like my case? and how is it benefical? also I heared that there is a lot of form for ozone therapy?? wondring which one should a person in my case choose? Also Is these are a life time therapy, or is it usually done for a specific period of time? Also I heared that Ozone therapy could be dangerous? is this has anything true in it? and what is the danger of it, if there is any? any information or personal experience would be very appreciated. thank you so much for your help. Chrisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 hi Ken, Can you explain to me in which way is Ozone therapy can be dangerous?? I don't know much about Ozone, but just saw a doctor talking about it on TV. few days ago saying that they can have very good benefit of it for people with heart, diabete issue and possibly benefical with people having aids and hepatite C. Please would appreciate to know the other side of reality to this therapy, in which way could it be dangerous. Thank you Chrisy iri2 <iri2@...> wrote: Ozone can be very dangerous!!!!! - if you listen to conventional medicine! (Please note the sarcasm here!) However, none of these brilliant doctors has ever had anything to do with ozone therapy or read anything about it. That doesn't stop them from making these important pronouncements against one of the most helpful and best health therapies I have used. I don't know who they think they are. When a doctor does take that time, they become converts............. BUT they, or most of them, remain to scared to promote it because the AMA will come down so hard against them! Best wishes and much love, Ken Ken Gullan Institute for Research Integration (IRI), San Diego, CA 92106-2424 IRI is a 501C(3) non-profit corporation established to help children with developmental difficulties. To contact me off-list use kengullan@... or call 619-222-1104 ozone therapy and CFS Hi, I am new to this group, I have CFS for 11 years now, and also positive viruses EBV and HHV6 for long years, my immune system is perturbated, like the always quite low in white blood cells, Nk, and red blood cells (anemia). I might also have some adrenal and thyroid problem, that are not yet diagnosed. I am always exhausted and have no energy at all and so desperate for any treatment, that would gave me a bit of my life again. I heared of ozone therapy few days ago, and wonder if anyone can tell me if ozone therapy is benifical for people like my case? and how is it benefical? also I heared that there is a lot of form for ozone therapy?? wondring which one should a person in my case choose? Also Is these are a life time therapy, or is it usually done for a specific period of time? Also I heared that Ozone therapy could be dangerous? is this has anything true in it? and what is the danger of it, if there is any? any information or personal experience would be very appreciated. thank you so much for your help. Chrisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Chrisy! I knew when I wrote that, somebody would not realize I was being facetious! :-) Please re-read. I am a great believer in using ozone. The healing reactions can be quite unpleasant but you have total control over how fast you go with it. It is about the only alternative therapy that has absolutely worked exactly (possibly too well sometimes) as I thought it should. And I am a great fan of many alternative therapies!!! The only way ozone therapy can be dangerous is if you listen to the stupid doctors who say it is dangerous and then you don't do it!!!! Maybe direct breathing ozone would be dangerous but that would also be stupid!! ;-) Sorry, but I enjoy kidding! :-) Best wishes and much love, Ken Ken Gullan Institute for Research Integration (IRI), San Diego, CA 92106-2424 IRI is a 501C(3) non-profit corporation established to help children with developmental difficulties. To contact me off-list use kengullan@... or call 619-222-1104 ozone therapy and CFS Hi, I am new to this group, I have CFS for 11 years now, and also positive viruses EBV and HHV6 for long years, my immune system is perturbated, like the always quite low in white blood cells, Nk, and red blood cells (anemia). I might also have some adrenal and thyroid problem, that are not yet diagnosed. I am always exhausted and have no energy at all and so desperate for any treatment, that would gave me a bit of my life again. I heared of ozone therapy few days ago, and wonder if anyone can tell me if ozone therapy is benifical for people like my case? and how is it benefical? also I heared that there is a lot of form for ozone therapy?? wondring which one should a person in my case choose? Also Is these are a life time therapy, or is it usually done for a specific period of time? Also I heared that Ozone therapy could be dangerous? is this has anything true in it? and what is the danger of it, if there is any? any information or personal experience would be very appreciated. thank you so much for your help. Chrisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Glad the sarcasm got cleared up. lol Since people can/like to take things out of their context, a lot of misinformation can get started. People have used reverse psycology on me since childhood, to keep me on my toes and thinkin'. I would like to have the experience of a small ozone unit. Guess I should look at www.plasmafire.com and check it out. Laters On 9/21/06, iri2 <iri2@...> wrote: > > Chrisy! I knew when I wrote that, somebody would not realize I was being > facetious! :-) Please re-read. I am a great believer in using ozone. The > healing reactions can be quite unpleasant but you have total control over > how fast you go with it. It is about the only alternative therapy that has > absolutely worked exactly (possibly too well sometimes) as I thought it > should. And I am a great fan of many alternative therapies!!! > The only way ozone therapy can be dangerous is if you listen to the stupid > doctors who say it is dangerous and then you don't do it!!!! Maybe direct > breathing ozone would be dangerous but that would also be stupid!! ;-) > Sorry, but I enjoy kidding! :-) > Best wishes and much love, Ken > > Ken Gullan > Institute for Research Integration (IRI), San Diego, CA 92106-2424 > IRI is a 501C(3) non-profit corporation established to help children with > developmental difficulties. > To contact me off-list use kengullan@... <kengullan%40cox.net> or call > 619-222-1104 > > ozone therapy and CFS > > Hi, > > I am new to this group, I have CFS for 11 years now, and also > positive viruses EBV and HHV6 for long years, my immune system is > perturbated, like the always quite low in white blood cells, Nk, and > red blood cells (anemia). I might also have some adrenal and > thyroid problem, that are not yet diagnosed. I am always exhausted > and have no energy at all and so desperate for any treatment, that > would gave me a bit of my life again. > > I heared of ozone therapy few days ago, and wonder if anyone can > tell me if ozone therapy is benifical for people like my case? and > how is it benefical? also I heared that there is a lot of form for > ozone therapy?? wondring which one should a person in my case > choose? Also Is these are a life time therapy, or is it usually > done for a specific period of time? > > Also I heared that Ozone therapy could be dangerous? is this has > anything true in it? and what is the danger of it, if there is any? > > any information or personal experience would be very appreciated. > > thank you so much for your help. > Chrisy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 Dear Christiane, The procedure you saw was autohemotherapy, which is only done by doctors. One of the reasons they practice that protocol is the fact that it cannot be done by untrained people at home. But you don't need to do it, and you will get better results by doing vaginal insufflation at home yourself every day. And it will be far cheaper as well. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman Re: ozone therapy and CFS > Any how, I saw on TV that the ozone therapy is mostly done by taking the own blood of a person.. adding the ozone.. and the blood goes back to the patient.. > > I actually live in Canada, Montreal, I don't think there is such therapies here, as I tried to check on the internet but could not find anything here. > > I understand there is other type of ozone therapy like i read some posts in this group, but I am wondring is these are as good as the blood one, for cases like mine. > > thanks for responding to this, still any information or personal experience would be very appreciated. > > Chrisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 Hi Chrisy, I have had cfids for over 18 years. I've been doing ozone for 2 years and 8 months. I'll share a little of my experience, but first I'd like to say I think cfids is very complex. For some it is a result of a candida overgrowth, for some it is an allergy to wheat, and for some gluten. I don't know if that is the same as an actually case of certified cfids. I just think we can't simplify it, but maybe it can be summed up as a toxic overload in the body. Who knows? I jumped right in doing ozone saunas, which produced an extreme rash that I really can't even explan how awful it was. Saul said the rash usually lasted only 3 months. I figured I could handle that if it would heal me. Well over a year and I was still rashing so I took a break. When I started up again, I decided to just go at a pace my body liked. Each person is different, and I think it is a real mistake to try an keep up with somebody else. I went to only doing vaginal insufflation and ear, and I only did that very little, about once a week. Didn't stress and didn't try to keep up with anybody else. Due to over extending myself and unrelenting stresses in my life, my health took a real nose dive. After being symptom free for years, I ended up having 5 major relapses in over 2 1/2 years, and that was with doing ozone. I knew I had to make some major changes in my life by getting rid of the major stresses in my life, which I did. I probably hurt some feelings as I closed my doors and shut off my phone, but I was at a place with it that was survival to me, and few people realize the extent cfids can have on you. As I isolated myself, I reflected what I was doing when I was symptom free. What seemed to be most noticable to me was when I was doing a lot of colonics or taking homozon ( a great bowel cleanser), I was at my best. I was reading some of the back posts talking about the importance of bowel health, and I really do believe that it is crucial for health recovery. There's been a lot of talk about the famous ozone rash, and several things have been suggested to help with it, but mostly it's really hard to get past. Often the liver cleanse will be recommeded to help, but what I have found is that when I really concentrated on my bowels, that cleared up the ozone rashing. I'm so excited about this because the rash was just awful. I can now easily do a good amout of saunas and insufflating without rashing. So my advice would be, if you decide to go this route, is start with a month of homozon first while doing some vaginal insufflating. The homozon, alone, will give you some energy. Don't be in a hurry. I know that's hard when you want so badly to get well, but patience is virtuous. Know that it might take years rather than months and just be patient. I'm I well/cured now? No, but my health is returning, and ozone is only one of a multiple of things that help. I also need to stay on certain supplements. Set boundries and eliminate the stresses. Keeping my eyes on a higher power and resting. Eat good, laugh (when I'm not crying), counting my blessings. One word of advice with vaginal insufflating that I found helpful is (because it will cause a lot of itching) wrap the catheter with a wash clothe and the legs with bath towels as well. Insert the catheter as high inside the vaginal cavity as possible to allow the ozone to enter into the body cavity rather than seeping out causing more itching. It really does help. Is ozone dangerous? Well, I think it can be if you don't have the proper equipment. One needs a medical generator. I also think the rashing is something that really needs to be addressed because I believe one can go into toxic shock from detoxing too quickly. Ozone is very powerful. Cleansing the bowels seems to be to be one of the most beneficial ways of helping to detox. Is it a life time therapy? Probably. Gail -- In oxyplus , " chrisy8 " <chrisy8@...> wrote: > > Hi, > > I am new to this group, I have CFS for 11 years now, and also > positive viruses EBV and HHV6 for long years, my immune system is > perturbated, like the always quite low in white blood cells, Nk, and > red blood cells (anemia). I might also have some adrenal and > thyroid problem, that are not yet diagnosed. I am always exhausted > and have no energy at all and so desperate for any treatment, that > would gave me a bit of my life again. > > > I heared of ozone therapy few days ago, and wonder if anyone can > tell me if ozone therapy is benifical for people like my case? and > how is it benefical? also I heared that there is a lot of form for > ozone therapy?? wondring which one should a person in my case > choose? Also Is these are a life time therapy, or is it usually > done for a specific period of time? > > Also I heared that Ozone therapy could be dangerous? is this has > anything true in it? and what is the danger of it, if there is any? > > any information or personal experience would be very appreciated. > > thank you so much for your help. > Chrisy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Hi Ken, Thank you for the welcome back. It is also nice to see you posting more now. I have a few comments to your comments. What I have come to realize is we don't have to go through the extreme detox rashes if we just use a little wisdom. Wisdom gained from experience I'd have to say. My whole personality is to jump into things. Sink or swim. I remember when I was doing the Beck protocol, I approched it the same way, and that, too, really made me sick. Still I continued because they said it would cure cfids. I had a unit I purchased from Micheal Forrest. He had a really comprehensive website. One of the best I've found. On it he mentioned doing the liver cleanse and blood cleanses before starting the protocol. He also mention the reality of adrenal fatigue. It went in one ear and out the other and I just jumped right in. Should have paid more attention. I could have saved myself a lot of suffering. With ozone I also jumped right in, and you know the results. After taking a closer look and really listening to those that had been doing it successfully, I noticed some things. For those that just jump into the sauna who are seriously ill, will have extreme reactions. Those that are healthier will often not. When questioning Saul closer, he mentioned he had done ozone IV's for two years (I believe) before entering into the sauna. His wife also only did bagging and insufflating (and recovered by doing only that) for seems like it was again a couple of years, too before she got into the sauna. Saul said his rash was short lived and minor. Sherri-Lee didn't say much about hers other than it was very itchy. I'm assuming it wasn't as extreme as ours because Lord knows we complained loud and hard! LOL said his rash lasted 8 months and when doing a liver cleanse, the rash exploded in/on him. He made the comment he didn't think he could ever recover if he hadn't done the cleanses. With insight now that I've gleaned and personal experience, I would not even touch a sauna for a good 2 years. I would stick with insufflating and bagging. It was only when I realized how long the rashing could last (I had already experienced how bad it could be), did I decided to slow down. Mainly because I knew I could not last with that kind of intensity for that length of time. I would approach the cleanses first and upmost. Too bad I didn't do that in the first place. Could of, would of, but didn't. Would have made things so much easier. Now things are going easily. It is as easy now as it was hard then. But I also have to say I am going at my own personal pace. I do a 30 minute sauna on Mondays and Fridays with 30 minutes of vaginal insufflating on Tuesday, Wed, & Thrus., and take a break over the weekends. This is the first time in over 2 1/2 years that I can honestly say I am " flooding my body with oxygen " . I can't say there is completely NO rashing. I do get very slight mosquito like bumps that itch. They are very few. 1 on my neck & belly, a couple on my legs, and a few clusters (2-6) under my arms. That is so nothing compared to what I had before, but still they really do itch. However, when I try and up things, say insufflating one day, sauna the next, insufflating, sauna throughtout the week, doing more saunas than insufflating, more rash like spots will appear. I also have to say I got symptom free during the time I did the Beck protocl without ozone. I eventually got into the liver cleanses and homozon, but had thought it was the Beck protocol that did it. I really thought I had it beat. With these last relaspes the Beck didn't do anything. With each relapse I went farther down and it took longer to pull out of it. Nothing seemed to help. And although I had gotten good results with a combination of things in the past, I truly think the ozone is a more thorough form of cleansing. Toxins, at best, make you ill. At worst, they kill. I feel like I am able to achieve a deeper cleansing with the ozone along with the other cleanses, but to this day, I cannot say I am cured., but...there's always tomorrow. Gail > > Welcome back Gail. > Since we went through much of our detox rashes together years ago (Remember those late night posts of agony!) I will briefly add to your post. It took me a full 18 months of saunas to get past the bad rashes (My ankles swelled to 3x the size and arms dripped with oozing stuff for at least 3 months) but since then I have had some wonderful health improvement. I agree about bowel (and liver) cleanses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 I remember you saying that, but did I listen? lol I didn't listen to you anymore than I listened to Micheal about the Beck Protocol. Now do you really think anybody is going to listen to me either? ROTFLOL OK, here's the deal. Let's tell newbies to just jump in, full spead ahead. Human nature being that it is, they will think to themself, hey, wait a minute. That might be too much for me. I think I'll just eazzzzzz into it. That'll work. Gail > > Dear Gail, > > Thanks for relating your experience. Hopefully newbies will read it, and > understand the process a little better. > > I constantly tell people to do the preparatory work (liver cleanses at a > minimum), and even to start with the Beta generator and then trade it in on > an Alpha and Omega sauna later on, with 100% credit for the Beta on > trade-in....but....most people are like you and want to go at it full bore > right off the bat. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Hi Carol Ann, For me, I think I am really coming into an understanding of health in general. I liken it to bathing. Now you can go out there and roll around in the mud and will need to take a shower. Or you can stay out of the mud aftering showering and not take a shower thinking you are clean, and at the end of two weeks not showering you are going to be pretty dirty and will have to clean up again. Ofcourse, it is better to take a daily shower, and so it is with the ozone. Before I got into this I was very interested in Sherri-Lee's story as I also have cfids. I asked her if she was indeed cured, and if she were to stop doing ozone would she still be free from cfids/fibro. I can still remember her reply. She said, " Why should I? " , or something like, " Why would I even want to as it is an excellent method of keeping the candida/parasites away? " Something to that effect. I was hung up on the word cure because I thought if you were cured, you wouldn't need the treatment anymore. No matter what method of detoxing you choose, whether it be ozone, fasting, colonics, whatever, one really does have to incorporate some method of cleaning up that which we are exposed to on a daily bases. I now realize that's just the way it has to be. Oh, sure there are things one can do as in life-styles, eating habits, ect. But even if we are diligent in making healthy choices, we still need it. One would think if you never got in the dirt, you wouldn't get dirty, but you can lay in bed and still get dirty. That's just life, and so it is with our physical health. When I look at it like that, I don't think it's puzzling at all. Gail > >> Anyway, once again, after 2 weeks of not using Ozone, my ears are again draining steadily. I know we are all on a learning curve or frontiers so to speak, but this phenomenon I find interesting, if not a little puzzling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Oh, I misunderstood you. Can't say that I've noticed that. What I have noticed it the ozone (or at least the detoxing) will last like you said a day or two after treatment. By that I mean the next day will usaully produce more itching or rashing. I've been a chicken when it's comes to the ears. I only insufflate 5 minutes one ear at a time and not every day. It seems like I remember Saul (Saul you can chime in here if I'm wrong) saying the toxins will exit the path of least resistance. For me I guess that would be my skin, while yours is the ears. I also think my liver is not in the best of shape so it doesn't always do the job leaving the skin to be the least place of resistance. I quess it doesn't matter how you detox as long as you detox. I have heard of people simply by eating a detox program will run a fever or have skin erruptions, but I've never heard of them have weeping ears, weeping eyes, tho. lol Gail > > Hmmm. Couldn't agree more with your analogy Gail, but when I say puzzling, what I did not make clear was that after 2 weeks of no Ozone, suddenly, my ears start weeping again. In those two weeks I started other detoxing.....lo and behold, its coming from the ears again at a steady pace...without further Ozone treatments to induce the exits. In the past, this has usually happened a day or two immediately after Ozone. > > I've begun to think now that as soon as I do any detox regimens the ears seem to be the most convenient method of exit for herxing matter. This is the 2nd or 3rd time I've seen this pattern occur. Have you found any of this to be true with your own treatments. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Oh, I misunderstood you. Can't say that I've noticed that. What I have noticed it the ozone (or at least the detoxing) will last like you said a day or two after treatment. By that I mean the next day will usaully produce more itching or rashing. I've been a chicken when it's comes to the ears. I only insufflate 5 minutes one ear at a time and not every day. It seems like I remember Saul (Saul you can chime in here if I'm wrong) saying the toxins will exit the path of least resistance. For me I guess that would be my skin, while yours is the ears. I also think my liver is not in the best of shape so it doesn't always do the job leaving the skin to be the least place of resistance. I quess it doesn't matter how you detox as long as you detox. I have heard of people simply by eating a detox program will run a fever or have skin erruptions, but I've never heard of them have weeping ears, weeping eyes, tho. lol Gail > > Hmmm. Couldn't agree more with your analogy Gail, but when I say puzzling, what I did not make clear was that after 2 weeks of no Ozone, suddenly, my ears start weeping again. In those two weeks I started other detoxing.....lo and behold, its coming from the ears again at a steady pace...without further Ozone treatments to induce the exits. In the past, this has usually happened a day or two immediately after Ozone. > > I've begun to think now that as soon as I do any detox regimens the ears seem to be the most convenient method of exit for herxing matter. This is the 2nd or 3rd time I've seen this pattern occur. Have you found any of this to be true with your own treatments. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 - I busted out laughing at our destination. You are right, and you are also right about enjoying the journey as being life. How you chose to live that life will often determine how enjoyable it is. Enjoy! gail -- In oxyplus , " iri2 " <iri2@...> wrote: > Enjoy the journey! It is the journey that is life ...................... the destination is ........god forbid, death - The end of life :-)! > Best wishes and much love, Ken > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 - I busted out laughing at our destination. You are right, and you are also right about enjoying the journey as being life. How you chose to live that life will often determine how enjoyable it is. Enjoy! gail -- In oxyplus , " iri2 " <iri2@...> wrote: > Enjoy the journey! It is the journey that is life ...................... the destination is ........god forbid, death - The end of life :-)! > Best wishes and much love, Ken > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 -OH, please tell me. Didn't know if this would get to graffic so thought Id email you privately. If not, please share with the group. I know I've found if you really wrap up tight and insert the catheter high inside you, it sure keeps the ozone from seeping out. When I first started insufflating, I didn't do that. Was just kind of sloppy with it and it did cause much more itching/rashing on my legs and vaginal. This is much better. I shared it with the group because it made a big difference. What did you conjure up? Gail -- In oxyplus , Carol Ann <saffireskyes@...> wrote: > > You will never believe what the system I've engineered for vag insufflation. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2006 Report Share Posted October 7, 2006 Well, we'll just pretend we are having a girl's private slumber party. I had actually PLANNED on sending my question to you privately incase it got too descriptive, but neglected to change the address myself and it went to the group. Basically, what you are saying is you didn't use the catheter rather just the tubing directly. My only concern would be infection. Making sure it is sterlized would be important, which you mentioned you did. gail -- In oxyplus , Carol Ann <saffireskyes@...> wrote: > > Folks, this was meant to be private...This is also one of those times........when I get the choice to either laugh or cry because I did not check the send button addy. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2006 Report Share Posted October 10, 2006 Anybody has an idea on how to use ozone therapy on dogs with Leishmaniasis Donovani, that is caused by protozoa ??? I use an Ozone services unit at 1/32 LPM, conc setting 3 or 4 load 2 60cc syringes twice daily administer rectally for weeks. I also filled the cathedar with water, it seems to help, then hold the dog down for 20 min. You can also train them to inhale ozone using water and oil XOX, Luv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Wanda, Are these infra red sauna treatments you're doing? Do you find that they are helpful to your adrenals? Still trying to figure out what is best to do. Have read that supressed or fatigued adrenals don't do well in an infrared sauna, but one of my docs feels that the lower temps in infrared do not disturb the adrenals, but help release toxins and such and thereby also help with some adrenal and thyroid issues as well as many other problems, cfs, high bp, etc. Any thoughts on this? Thanks, > >> Chi Machine - http://www.excellentthings.com > Infra red - same place as above > > The adrenal program of Dr. A , mentioned above > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Hi , I do ozone saunas, but I had problems with it in the beginning. Didn't understand why until now I know about the adrenals. I'd feel wasted after a sauna, and my heart would just race. Eventualy I just went to insufflation. When I learned about AF, I got on the adrenals and made other changes in my life to repair them. I also started taking more calcium and CO Q 10. Now that the weather is getting colder, I've started taking a few more saunas and have to say I'm loving them. Now instead of feeling wasted, I feel relaxed and soothed. Still do a lot of insufflating, but now will do a sauna for a treat. Why don't you just repair your adrenals first, and then you can do any kind of sauna you want. I've hear very good things about infra red saunas, but don't have any experience with them. Gail -- In oxyplus , " jacobadler123 " <jacobadler123@...> wrote: > > Wanda, > > Are these infra red sauna treatments you're doing? Do you find that > they are helpful to your adrenals? Still trying to figure out what > is best to do. Have read that supressed or fatigued adrenals don't > do well in an infrared sauna, but one of my docs feels that the > lower temps in infrared do not disturb the adrenals, but help > release toxins and such and thereby also help with some adrenal and > thyroid issues as well as many other problems, cfs, high bp, etc. > > Any thoughts on this? > > Thanks, > > > > > > >> Chi Machine - http://www.excellentthings.com > > Infra red - same place as above > > > > The adrenal program of Dr. A , mentioned above > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Hi , Wow, You know if we don't learn how to handle stress, it really can kill. It's all a learning thing for each of us. Some have really strong adrenals to begin with and do better, but others really have to learn about the condition first of all, and then learn how to repair it. Some stress are unavoidable, while others need to be avoided. You have to start prioritizing. When one is chronically sick, they will always have some form of adrenal fatigue. It's not a matter of do they having it, rather it's a matter of to what degree. I took the test in Dr. 's book and scored 1 question less for having 's. Believe me, that really scared me into making some life style changes. I did take his " Adreanl Rebuilder " formula for a while. It's a multiple of glandulars, which according to him, all work together. At first I did really well on it, but then, for some reason, it made me feel really weird, kind of wacked out. I'm not sure if it was a combination of the multiple glandulars (perhaps I didn't need all of them) or a combination of the product with some of my other supplements. Eventually, I just went to raw bovine adrenals by themself. I can't remember the exact statement he used in his book, but he mentioned something about adrenal fatigue is not so much about what you do to take care of it, but rather what you do to learn how to live life. You have to learn how to set boundries, foods that help restore and nurish you, resting, giving your adrenals time to rebound, and finding some kind of enjoyment in life. The resting and setting boundries would probably the most important part of recovery I think. It can take a couple of years or more to recover once you learn the process. It's not an overnight thing. And if you don't learn the boundry thing, you will quickly be sucked back down. Regarding ozone: Saunas seem to give me the most energy, but the rashing was extremely hard to handle....extremely! And ofcourse, there was that wasted feeling. It's taking me close to 4 years to say I can now take a 1/2 hour sauna without rashing or feeling wasted. Different methods of ozone delievery also produce different levels of detoxing I've noticed. For a woman, vaginal insufflating is so very beneficial without any rashing and really no discomfort at all for me other than a little itchy at the beginning. However, since I've started aggressively doing the ear insufflating, I am experiencing more detoxing all over. There is more of an ick, achey, nauseated feeling as well as a general tireness going on now. Do I think the insufflating helped the adrenals? I think anytime we rid ourself of toxins it helps the body to function more efficiently, including the adrenals. However, I think it was the bovine adrenals, rest, & setting the boundries that helped the most. As long was we continue abusing the adrenals by overtaxing them, there will be no recovery. Oh, this is getting long, but I want to share how I got into so much trouble. Like I said, unrelented stresses can do so much harm. In my case, I've battle cfids for 19 years. I had come to the place where I thought I had it beat. I was highly functioning and didn't have any pain. I had even forgotten how bad it had been, when I met a woman that was very sick with it and tried to help her. I ended up overextending myself helping her recover that I ended up in a relapse. The first one I had had if severaaaaaal years, shocking us both. Well, I was just barely getting on my feet when my husband had to have bypass surgery. Hanging out at the hospital, worrying about him, and then trying to take care of him after surgery set me into another relapse almost back to back. Then all the company (mostly family) started coming by to see him (rightfully concerned about him). He ended up retiring, so now there were all kinds of people stoping in all the time. He gradually (took about a year, tho) recovered, and all the time I got sicker and sicker and sicker. I simply can't do non-stop company. And as my health kept declining, I no longer could pull myself out of it. I simply couldn't get well even tho in the past I knew what to take to help, it was now no longer helping. It had now going into adreanl fatigue, and I didn't even know it. I never even knew what it was. It was about that time I learned about adrenal fatigue. When one has it, it is extremely hard to recover from any type of illness. Reason being is now you are not only dealing with the orginal illness, but you now have something entirely different that needs to be addressed (AF). And if you don't address it, recover is likely not to happen. Infact, one of the symptoms of AF is being sick all the time. It will be 4 years this Jan when I had the first relapse before my husbands' heart surgery, and I am just now starting to see some consistency in my health. And, to tell you the truth, I'm still not as strong as I was before his surgery, but I am doing more ozone as well as the MMS drops allowing more detox, which is a good thing. But it has taking me a long time to be able to build up to the amount of ozone & health I am now experiencing. This is something people need to know when seeking healing, it doesn't happen over night. And it's important to find out what the sorce of the problem is. If it's candida, deal with it; but if it's a gluten intollerance, then you need to deal with that. Often it will be both. If it's adrenals, you will need to repair them. If it's a hormonal imbalance, find out what it is and take care of it. And ofcourse, all this has to be with whatever finances you have available to you. Sometimes you just don't have the money to buy or do the things you need to do, so you have to start with what you have and where you are at at the time. I think ozone would help with whatever ails you, but I don't think that it can take the place of any medication you would need for hashimotos. Thyroid issues are a tricky thing. Finding the proper balance of medication is very important. I think you need somebody a lot more qualified than myself to help you. Dr. 's book is really a good book, and he will give you a lot of information in a very easy to understand way. I think he even gives references to places where you can go to get proper testing, etc. Don't remember for sure as my daughter has the book right now, but do get it. It'll help you, I'm sure. Time and persistance will help, but also knowledge. Like I said, finding the root cause is important, tho, basically, in the alternative field, most say it is an overload of toxins causing the immune system not to function properly no matter what the illness is. I'm one, tho, that things sometimes you need medication depending on the situation like your hashimotos. BTW, I've always heard Armour is so much better. People seem to do much better on it than the other. Take care, Gail > > Hi Gail, > Do you feel the insulfating helped your adrenals specifically? Did you have any detox reactions from it? Do you think ozone might also help woth hashimotos (hyposthyroidism)? <snip> > > But I'm hopeful that time and persistance will do the trick.<snip> > > I'm ordering Dr. 's book. Do you follow his protocols exclusively? Any other thoughts from you or other list members would be appreciated. Keep up the good work! > > Respectfully, > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Hi , Wow, You know if we don't learn how to handle stress, it really can kill. It's all a learning thing for each of us. Some have really strong adrenals to begin with and do better, but others really have to learn about the condition first of all, and then learn how to repair it. Some stress are unavoidable, while others need to be avoided. You have to start prioritizing. When one is chronically sick, they will always have some form of adrenal fatigue. It's not a matter of do they having it, rather it's a matter of to what degree. I took the test in Dr. 's book and scored 1 question less for having 's. Believe me, that really scared me into making some life style changes. I did take his " Adreanl Rebuilder " formula for a while. It's a multiple of glandulars, which according to him, all work together. At first I did really well on it, but then, for some reason, it made me feel really weird, kind of wacked out. I'm not sure if it was a combination of the multiple glandulars (perhaps I didn't need all of them) or a combination of the product with some of my other supplements. Eventually, I just went to raw bovine adrenals by themself. I can't remember the exact statement he used in his book, but he mentioned something about adrenal fatigue is not so much about what you do to take care of it, but rather what you do to learn how to live life. You have to learn how to set boundries, foods that help restore and nurish you, resting, giving your adrenals time to rebound, and finding some kind of enjoyment in life. The resting and setting boundries would probably the most important part of recovery I think. It can take a couple of years or more to recover once you learn the process. It's not an overnight thing. And if you don't learn the boundry thing, you will quickly be sucked back down. Regarding ozone: Saunas seem to give me the most energy, but the rashing was extremely hard to handle....extremely! And ofcourse, there was that wasted feeling. It's taking me close to 4 years to say I can now take a 1/2 hour sauna without rashing or feeling wasted. Different methods of ozone delievery also produce different levels of detoxing I've noticed. For a woman, vaginal insufflating is so very beneficial without any rashing and really no discomfort at all for me other than a little itchy at the beginning. However, since I've started aggressively doing the ear insufflating, I am experiencing more detoxing all over. There is more of an ick, achey, nauseated feeling as well as a general tireness going on now. Do I think the insufflating helped the adrenals? I think anytime we rid ourself of toxins it helps the body to function more efficiently, including the adrenals. However, I think it was the bovine adrenals, rest, & setting the boundries that helped the most. As long was we continue abusing the adrenals by overtaxing them, there will be no recovery. Oh, this is getting long, but I want to share how I got into so much trouble. Like I said, unrelented stresses can do so much harm. In my case, I've battle cfids for 19 years. I had come to the place where I thought I had it beat. I was highly functioning and didn't have any pain. I had even forgotten how bad it had been, when I met a woman that was very sick with it and tried to help her. I ended up overextending myself helping her recover that I ended up in a relapse. The first one I had had if severaaaaaal years, shocking us both. Well, I was just barely getting on my feet when my husband had to have bypass surgery. Hanging out at the hospital, worrying about him, and then trying to take care of him after surgery set me into another relapse almost back to back. Then all the company (mostly family) started coming by to see him (rightfully concerned about him). He ended up retiring, so now there were all kinds of people stoping in all the time. He gradually (took about a year, tho) recovered, and all the time I got sicker and sicker and sicker. I simply can't do non-stop company. And as my health kept declining, I no longer could pull myself out of it. I simply couldn't get well even tho in the past I knew what to take to help, it was now no longer helping. It had now going into adreanl fatigue, and I didn't even know it. I never even knew what it was. It was about that time I learned about adrenal fatigue. When one has it, it is extremely hard to recover from any type of illness. Reason being is now you are not only dealing with the orginal illness, but you now have something entirely different that needs to be addressed (AF). And if you don't address it, recover is likely not to happen. Infact, one of the symptoms of AF is being sick all the time. It will be 4 years this Jan when I had the first relapse before my husbands' heart surgery, and I am just now starting to see some consistency in my health. And, to tell you the truth, I'm still not as strong as I was before his surgery, but I am doing more ozone as well as the MMS drops allowing more detox, which is a good thing. But it has taking me a long time to be able to build up to the amount of ozone & health I am now experiencing. This is something people need to know when seeking healing, it doesn't happen over night. And it's important to find out what the sorce of the problem is. If it's candida, deal with it; but if it's a gluten intollerance, then you need to deal with that. Often it will be both. If it's adrenals, you will need to repair them. If it's a hormonal imbalance, find out what it is and take care of it. And ofcourse, all this has to be with whatever finances you have available to you. Sometimes you just don't have the money to buy or do the things you need to do, so you have to start with what you have and where you are at at the time. I think ozone would help with whatever ails you, but I don't think that it can take the place of any medication you would need for hashimotos. Thyroid issues are a tricky thing. Finding the proper balance of medication is very important. I think you need somebody a lot more qualified than myself to help you. Dr. 's book is really a good book, and he will give you a lot of information in a very easy to understand way. I think he even gives references to places where you can go to get proper testing, etc. Don't remember for sure as my daughter has the book right now, but do get it. It'll help you, I'm sure. Time and persistance will help, but also knowledge. Like I said, finding the root cause is important, tho, basically, in the alternative field, most say it is an overload of toxins causing the immune system not to function properly no matter what the illness is. I'm one, tho, that things sometimes you need medication depending on the situation like your hashimotos. BTW, I've always heard Armour is so much better. People seem to do much better on it than the other. Take care, Gail > > Hi Gail, > Do you feel the insulfating helped your adrenals specifically? Did you have any detox reactions from it? Do you think ozone might also help woth hashimotos (hyposthyroidism)? <snip> > > But I'm hopeful that time and persistance will do the trick.<snip> > > I'm ordering Dr. 's book. Do you follow his protocols exclusively? Any other thoughts from you or other list members would be appreciated. Keep up the good work! > > Respectfully, > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 > > Life is a grand gift that I've lerned to appreciate. <snip> It's been a long road already. And I do get down about it here and there,<snip> >Beleive it or not that was the very, very brief version! lol! > > Sincere Regards, > >======================== Hello , I don't think I really have much of anything to say that could somehow ease your burden. I'm sure it has been a very long haul for you, and it is only natural to get down. That's just part of being human under a very heavy burden. I can believe that was a brief version. You see we don't truly grasp what others are going through or have gone through when we sit down at the computer and type our response. I don't understand why people will so often find themself suffering, why some don't, & and why others get relief when the one right next to them doesn't. The mysteries of life are just to grand for my grasping. The faith healers say it's because you don't have enough faith, while the secularists say it's because your problems are benefiting you in some way and you don't truly want deliverance. Either way, it's a finger pointing answer one so often gets when deliverance does not come. I wonder if they were in different shoes and found themself seeking healing, while having it delayed, if they might be singing a different tune. And I wonder if they have any idea how noncomforting some of the comments are when one is going through extremely hard times. I have no answers for you, but what I will say is what I have observed is: it is in the toughest, hardest times of our life that we find out what we are truly made of. Sometimes one is surprised to discover the true grit they possess, while others find they are just puffed air with little substance. You might want to try rebounding (bouncing on a small trampoline) to help build lung endurance. For some reason, this really helps develop the lungs. Breathing in MSM/CS through a nebulizer to help keep infections down would also be of help, imo. Compassionately, Gail > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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