Re: Re: ozone therapy and CFS

[Guest guest]

Welcome back Gail.

Since we went through much of our detox rashes together years ago (Remember

those late night posts of agony!) I will briefly add to your post. It took me a

full 18 months of saunas to get past the bad rashes (My ankles swelled to 3x the

size and arms dripped with oozing stuff for at least 3 months) but since then I

have had some wonderful health improvement. I agree about bowel (and liver)

cleanses. I still have slight itching mainly around the groin area and

sometimes in other places. My lipomas are down to about +-160 from around 500+

(something everyone told me " I would just have to learn to live with " ) and I am

up to 15 min 3x/day ear insufflation for the past 3 months and still ooze

although not intolerable as before. Based on my calculations, I should be down

to maintenance ozone of one/week sauna and 1x 5 minutes per day ear insufflation

after about another 3 months. I have been doing ozone for 5 years now and feel

it has been totally worth it although sometimes I did not feel that way while I

was itching. I am now having my daughter (18 years old) do it and having to

watch the itching carefully so as to not turn her off totally. It is not an

easy therapy but I am totally sold on the benefits!

Wonderful to hear from you again our wonderful Wanda!!! :-)

Best wishes and much love, Ken

Ken Gullan

Institute for Research Integration (IRI), San Diego, CA 92106-2424

IRI is a 501C(3) non-profit corporation established to help children with

developmental difficulties.

To contact me off-list use kengullan@... or call 619-222-1104

Re: ozone therapy and CFS

Hi Chrisy,

I have had cfids for over 18 years. I've been doing ozone for 2

years and 8 months. I'll share a little of my experience, but first

I'd like to say I think cfids is very complex. For some it is a

result of a candida overgrowth, for some it is an allergy to wheat,

and for some gluten. I don't know if that is the same as an actually

case of certified cfids. I just think we can't simplify it, but

maybe it can be summed up as a toxic overload in the body. Who knows?

I jumped right in doing ozone saunas, which produced an extreme rash

that I really can't even explan how awful it was. Saul said the rash

usually lasted only 3 months. I figured I could handle that if it

would heal me. Well over a year and I was still rashing so I took a

break. When I started up again, I decided to just go at a pace my

body liked. Each person is different, and I think it is a real

mistake to try an keep up with somebody else. I went to only doing

vaginal insufflation and ear, and I only did that very little, about

once a week. Didn't stress and didn't try to keep up with anybody

else.

Due to over extending myself and unrelenting stresses in my life, my

health took a real nose dive. After being symptom free for years, I

ended up having 5 major relapses in over 2 1/2 years, and that was

with doing ozone. I knew I had to make some major changes in my life

by getting rid of the major stresses in my life, which I did. I

probably hurt some feelings as I closed my doors and shut off my

phone, but I was at a place with it that was survival to me, and few

people realize the extent cfids can have on you. As I isolated

myself, I reflected what I was doing when I was symptom free. What

seemed to be most noticable to me was when I was doing a lot of

colonics or taking homozon ( a great bowel cleanser), I was at my

best.

I was reading some of the back posts talking about the importance of

bowel health, and I really do believe that it is crucial for health

recovery. There's been a lot of talk about the famous ozone rash,

and several things have been suggested to help with it, but mostly

it's really hard to get past. Often the liver cleanse will be

recommeded to help, but what I have found is that when I really

concentrated on my bowels, that cleared up the ozone rashing. I'm so

excited about this because the rash was just awful. I can now easily

do a good amout of saunas and insufflating without rashing.

So my advice would be, if you decide to go this route, is start with

a month of homozon first while doing some vaginal insufflating. The

homozon, alone, will give you some energy. Don't be in a hurry. I

know that's hard when you want so badly to get well, but patience is

virtuous. Know that it might take years rather than months and just

be patient.

I'm I well/cured now? No, but my health is returning, and ozone is

only one of a multiple of things that help. I also need to stay on

certain supplements. Set boundries and eliminate the stresses.

Keeping my eyes on a higher power and resting. Eat good, laugh (when

I'm not crying), counting my blessings.

One word of advice with vaginal insufflating that I found helpful is

(because it will cause a lot of itching) wrap the catheter with a

wash clothe and the legs with bath towels as well. Insert the

catheter as high inside the vaginal cavity as possible to allow the

ozone to enter into the body cavity rather than seeping out causing

more itching. It really does help.

Is ozone dangerous? Well, I think it can be if you don't have the

proper equipment. One needs a medical generator. I also think the

rashing is something that really needs to be addressed because I

believe one can go into toxic shock from detoxing too quickly. Ozone

is very powerful. Cleansing the bowels seems to be to be one of the

most beneficial ways of helping to detox.

Is it a life time therapy? Probably.

Gail

-- In oxyplus , " chrisy8 " <chrisy8@...> wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> I am new to this group, I have CFS for 11 years now, and also

> positive viruses EBV and HHV6 for long years, my immune system is

> perturbated, like the always quite low in white blood cells, Nk,

and

> red blood cells (anemia). I might also have some adrenal and

> thyroid problem, that are not yet diagnosed. I am always exhausted

> and have no energy at all and so desperate for any treatment, that

> would gave me a bit of my life again.

>

>

> I heared of ozone therapy few days ago, and wonder if anyone can

> tell me if ozone therapy is benifical for people like my case? and

> how is it benefical? also I heared that there is a lot of form for

> ozone therapy?? wondring which one should a person in my case

> choose? Also Is these are a life time therapy, or is it usually

> done for a specific period of time?

>

> Also I heared that Ozone therapy could be dangerous? is this has

> anything true in it? and what is the danger of it, if there is any?

>

> any information or personal experience would be very appreciated.

>

> thank you so much for your help.

> Chrisy

>

[Guest guest]

another example

Re: ozone therapy and CFS

Hi Chrisy,

I have had cfids for over 18 years. I've been doing ozone for 2

years and 8 months. I'll share a little of my experience, but first

I'd like to say I think cfids is very complex. For some it is a

result of a candida overgrowth, for some it is an allergy to wheat,

and for some gluten. I don't know if that is the same as an actually

case of certified cfids. I just think we can't simplify it, but

maybe it can be summed up as a toxic overload in the body. Who knows?

I jumped right in doing ozone saunas, which produced an extreme rash

that I really can't even explan how awful it was. Saul said the rash

usually lasted only 3 months. I figured I could handle that if it

would heal me. Well over a year and I was still rashing so I took a

break. When I started up again, I decided to just go at a pace my

body liked. Each person is different, and I think it is a real

mistake to try an keep up with somebody else. I went to only doing

vaginal insufflation and ear, and I only did that very little, about

once a week. Didn't stress and didn't try to keep up with anybody

else.

Due to over extending myself and unrelenting stresses in my life, my

health took a real nose dive. After being symptom free for years, I

ended up having 5 major relapses in over 2 1/2 years, and that was

with doing ozone. I knew I had to make some major changes in my life

by getting rid of the major stresses in my life, which I did. I

probably hurt some feelings as I closed my doors and shut off my

phone, but I was at a place with it that was survival to me, and few

people realize the extent cfids can have on you. As I isolated

myself, I reflected what I was doing when I was symptom free. What

seemed to be most noticable to me was when I was doing a lot of

colonics or taking homozon ( a great bowel cleanser), I was at my

best.

I was reading some of the back posts talking about the importance of

bowel health, and I really do believe that it is crucial for health

recovery. There's been a lot of talk about the famous ozone rash,

and several things have been suggested to help with it, but mostly

it's really hard to get past. Often the liver cleanse will be

recommeded to help, but what I have found is that when I really

concentrated on my bowels, that cleared up the ozone rashing. I'm so

excited about this because the rash was just awful. I can now easily

do a good amout of saunas and insufflating without rashing.

So my advice would be, if you decide to go this route, is start with

a month of homozon first while doing some vaginal insufflating. The

homozon, alone, will give you some energy. Don't be in a hurry. I

know that's hard when you want so badly to get well, but patience is

virtuous. Know that it might take years rather than months and just

be patient.

I'm I well/cured now? No, but my health is returning, and ozone is

only one of a multiple of things that help. I also need to stay on

certain supplements. Set boundries and eliminate the stresses.

Keeping my eyes on a higher power and resting. Eat good, laugh (when

I'm not crying), counting my blessings.

One word of advice with vaginal insufflating that I found helpful is

(because it will cause a lot of itching) wrap the catheter with a

wash clothe and the legs with bath towels as well. Insert the

catheter as high inside the vaginal cavity as possible to allow the

ozone to enter into the body cavity rather than seeping out causing

more itching. It really does help.

Is ozone dangerous? Well, I think it can be if you don't have the

proper equipment. One needs a medical generator. I also think the

rashing is something that really needs to be addressed because I

believe one can go into toxic shock from detoxing too quickly. Ozone

is very powerful. Cleansing the bowels seems to be to be one of the

most beneficial ways of helping to detox.

Is it a life time therapy? Probably.

Gail

-- In oxyplus , " chrisy8 " <chrisy8@...> wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> I am new to this group, I have CFS for 11 years now, and also

> positive viruses EBV and HHV6 for long years, my immune system is

> perturbated, like the always quite low in white blood cells, Nk,

and

> red blood cells (anemia). I might also have some adrenal and

> thyroid problem, that are not yet diagnosed. I am always exhausted

> and have no energy at all and so desperate for any treatment, that

> would gave me a bit of my life again.

>

>

> I heared of ozone therapy few days ago, and wonder if anyone can

> tell me if ozone therapy is benifical for people like my case? and

> how is it benefical? also I heared that there is a lot of form for

> ozone therapy?? wondring which one should a person in my case

> choose? Also Is these are a life time therapy, or is it usually

> done for a specific period of time?

>

> Also I heared that Ozone therapy could be dangerous? is this has

> anything true in it? and what is the danger of it, if there is any?

>

> any information or personal experience would be very appreciated.

>

> thank you so much for your help.

> Chrisy

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Gail,

Thanks for relating your experience. Hopefully newbies will read it, and

understand the process a little better.

I constantly tell people to do the preparatory work (liver cleanses at a

minimum), and even to start with the Beta generator and then trade it in on

an Alpha and Omega sauna later on, with 100% credit for the Beta on

trade-in....but....most people are like you and want to go at it full bore

right off the bat.

There is no problem with that, except for the rash issue...which is a BIG

problem when it keeps you up all night scratching.

Most people do not fully comprehend the power of ozone to galvanize the

body's immune system into FULL

healing, which can mean taking over your life. If it is terminal cancer or a

life-threatening virus, there is no other way, but for just about everything

else, slow and steady wins the race.

Nice to have you back.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

Re: ozone therapy and CFS

Hi Ken,

Thank you for the welcome back. It is also nice to see you posting

more now.

I have a few comments to your comments. What I have come to

realize is we don't have to go through the extreme detox rashes if we

just use a little wisdom. Wisdom gained from experience I'd have to

say.

My whole personality is to jump into things. Sink or swim. I

remember when I was doing the Beck protocol, I approched it the same

way, and that, too, really made me sick. Still I continued because

they said it would cure cfids. I had a unit I purchased from Micheal

Forrest. He had a really comprehensive website. One of the best

I've found. On it he mentioned doing the liver cleanse and blood

cleanses before starting the protocol. He also mention the reality

of adrenal fatigue. It went in one ear and out the other and I just

jumped right in. Should have paid more attention. I could have

saved myself a lot of suffering.

With ozone I also jumped right in, and you know the results. After

taking a closer look and really listening to those that had been

doing it successfully, I noticed some things. For those that just

jump into the sauna who are seriously ill, will have extreme

reactions. Those that are healthier will often not. When

questioning Saul closer, he mentioned he had done ozone IV's for two

years (I believe) before entering into the sauna. His wife also only

did bagging and insufflating (and recovered by doing only that) for

seems like it was again a couple of years, too before she got into

the sauna. Saul said his rash was short lived and minor. Sherri-Lee

didn't say much about hers other than it was very itchy. I'm

assuming it wasn't as extreme as ours because Lord knows we

complained loud and hard! LOL said his rash lasted 8 months

and when doing a liver cleanse, the rash exploded in/on him. He made

the comment he didn't think he could ever recover if he hadn't done

the cleanses.

With insight now that I've gleaned and personal experience, I would

not even touch a sauna for a good 2 years. I would stick with

insufflating and bagging. It was only when I realized how long the

rashing could last (I had already experienced how bad it could be),

did I decided to slow down. Mainly because I knew I could not last

with that kind of intensity for that length of time. I would

approach the cleanses first and upmost. Too bad I didn't do that in

the first place. Could of, would of, but didn't. Would have made

things so much easier.

Now things are going easily. It is as easy now as it was hard then.

But I also have to say I am going at my own personal pace. I do a 30

minute sauna on Mondays and Fridays with 30 minutes of vaginal

insufflating on Tuesday, Wed, & Thrus., and take a break over the

weekends. This is the first time in over 2 1/2 years that I can

honestly say I am " flooding my body with oxygen " . I can't say there

is completely NO rashing. I do get very slight mosquito like bumps

that itch. They are very few. 1 on my neck & belly, a couple on my

legs, and a few clusters (2-6) under my arms. That is so nothing

compared to what I had before, but still they really do itch.

However, when I try and up things, say insufflating one day, sauna

the next, insufflating, sauna throughtout the week, doing more saunas

than insufflating, more rash like spots will appear.

I also have to say I got symptom free during the time I did the Beck

protocl without ozone. I eventually got into the liver cleanses and

homozon, but had thought it was the Beck protocol that did it. I

really thought I had it beat. With these last relaspes the Beck

didn't do anything. With each relapse I went farther down and it

took longer to pull out of it. Nothing seemed to help. And although

I had gotten good results with a combination of things in the past, I

truly think the ozone is a more thorough form of cleansing. Toxins,

at best, make you ill. At worst, they kill. I feel like I am able

to achieve a deeper cleansing with the ozone along with the other

cleanses, but to this day, I cannot say I am cured., but...there's

always tomorrow.

Gail

>

> Welcome back Gail.

> Since we went through much of our detox rashes together years ago

(Remember those late night posts of agony!) I will briefly add to

your post. It took me a full 18 months of saunas to get past the bad

rashes (My ankles swelled to 3x the size and arms dripped with

oozing stuff for at least 3 months) but since then I have had some

wonderful health improvement. I agree about bowel (and liver)

cleanses.

[Guest guest]

Wisdom should be kept on file in the archives for newbies to review.

wanda85929 <wanda85929@...> wrote: I remember you saying that, but did I

listen? lol I didn't listen to

you anymore than I listened to Micheal about the Beck Protocol. Now

do you really think anybody is going to listen to me either? ROTFLOL

Carol Ann

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of their people.

" V "

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[Guest guest]

Hi Gail, Saul, and Others,

I want to add a little further to your post Gail, my own more recent experience

and thoughts. It's been approx 2 weeks since I last did Ozone. When I did it

was some ear and vag insufflation. What I've noticed is somewhat subliminal

regarding my bodies reaction. I've been doing various Ozone protocols for over

3 years now, sometimes aggressively and steadily, sometimes I lay off and switch

to other modalities for a while. Fortunately, or not, with the exception of the

initial prolific and almost unbearable ear drainage which lasted steadily

throughout the first year +, I've never experienced the type of severe herxing

others speak of with regard to extreme rashing.

Anyway, once again, after 2 weeks of not using Ozone, my ears are again draining

steadily. I know we are all on a learning curve or frontiers so to speak, but

this phenomenon I find interesting, if not a little puzzling.

It seems to me that the body instinctively learns via its own initiative what

way is the best for ridding the toxins externally, or bringing them to the

surface and it begins to set its own unique pattern. Ozone seems to be the

initiator, precursor or gatekeeper. It triggers something in that the body

learns to seek an escape route for eliminating toxins. This pattern doesn't

always meet our expectations because as you pointed out, we are all different.

Yet we have the tendency to compare notes and expect similar outcomes.

I am currently in the process of using different methods of detoxing and immune

strengthening via support supplements. Symbiotics Colostrum Plus, Infla-Zyme

Forte, Vit C, L-Glutathione, Milk Thistle, Colon Cleanses, Chlorella, etc. As I

said, no Ozone for more than 2 weeks. Yet, my ears seemed to have become the

primary route of excretion and are once again flowing to the point of real

annoyance. It's not that I mind the inconvenience and when thinking of the

alternative it's most welcome.

The one realization I have come to accept is that because of living conditions,

chemtrails, food, stress, exposure to pathogens, etc. constant detoxing will

be a life long process. We just have to acclimate ourselves to the process.

wanda85929 <wanda85929@...> wrote: I remember you saying that, but did I

listen? lol I didn't listen to

you anymore than I listened to Micheal about the Beck Protocol. Now

do you really think anybody is going to listen to me either? ROTFLOL

OK, here's the deal. Let's tell newbies to just jump in, full spead

ahead. Human nature being that it is, they will think to themself,

hey, wait a minute. That might be too much for me. I think I'll

just eazzzzzz into it.

That'll work.

Gail

>

> Dear Gail,

>

> Thanks for relating your experience. Hopefully newbies will read

it, and

> understand the process a little better.

>

> I constantly tell people to do the preparatory work (liver cleanses

at a

> minimum), and even to start with the Beta generator and then trade

it in on

> an Alpha and Omega sauna later on, with 100% credit for the Beta on

> trade-in....but....most people are like you and want to go at it

full bore

> right off the bat.

>

>

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Hi Carol Ann.

I have been doing ozone for 5 years now and am having very little

reactions/itching/rashes anymore. But my ears are still draining with 15

minutes 3x per day. Over the years, I have often stopped due to traveling,

wife's illness, etc. and my ears have always been the first to backslide

extensively although it usually did not take long to get back my previous point

when I resumed. This is exactly as Saul explained if we have Candida in the

ears, it give the Candida the opportunity to regrow.

I have been on 15 min 3x since June and anticipate being totally without any

drainage within another month or 2. The drainage is not too bad except at night

when it cakes around the ears.

My point is, if you take a break you can expect the oozing to be more when you

resume.

Best wishes and much love, Ken

Ken Gullan

Institute for Research Integration (IRI), San Diego, CA 92106-2424

IRI is a 501C(3) non-profit corporation established to help children with

developmental difficulties.

To contact me off-list use kengullan@... or call 619-222-1104

[Guest guest]

Excellent point, Gail.

As an analogy: You clean your house by sweeping, dusting, washing, scrubbing,

shampooing, vacuuming, flushing different areas or parts of the house for

different reasons and to get it totally clean. ........ and then you have to do

it again! Damn! :-) If you leave any part of those operations out, you will

soon pay a price. And how soon? That depends on how much and what stuff you

bring into your house, kids, food, animals, etc. and what you do with them.

Why should we expect it to be any different? Why would we want it to be any

different? Enjoy the journey! It is the journey that is life

....................... the destination is ........god forbid, death - The end of

life :-)!

Best wishes and much love, Ken

Ken Gullan

Institute for Research Integration (IRI), San Diego, CA 92106-2424

IRI is a 501C(3) non-profit corporation established to help children with

developmental difficulties.

To contact me off-list use kengullan@... or call 619-222-1104

Re: ozone therapy and CFS

Hi Carol Ann,

For me, I think I am really coming into an understanding of health in

general. I liken it to bathing. Now you can go out there and roll

around in the mud and will need to take a shower. Or you can stay out

of the mud aftering showering and not take a shower thinking you are

clean, and at the end of two weeks not showering you are going to be

pretty dirty and will have to clean up again. Ofcourse, it is better

to take a daily shower, and so it is with the ozone.

Before I got into this I was very interested in Sherri-Lee's story as I

also have cfids. I asked her if she was indeed cured, and if she were

to stop doing ozone would she still be free from cfids/fibro. I can

still remember her reply. She said, " Why should I? " , or something

like, " Why would I even want to as it is an excellent method of keeping

the candida/parasites away? " Something to that effect. I was hung up

on the word cure because I thought if you were cured, you wouldn't need

the treatment anymore.

No matter what method of detoxing you choose, whether it be ozone,

fasting, colonics, whatever, one really does have to incorporate some

method of cleaning up that which we are exposed to on a daily bases. I

now realize that's just the way it has to be. Oh, sure there are

things one can do as in life-styles, eating habits, ect. But even if

we are diligent in making healthy choices, we still need it. One would

think if you never got in the dirt, you wouldn't get dirty, but you can

lay in bed and still get dirty. That's just life, and so it is with

our physical health.

When I look at it like that, I don't think it's puzzling at all.

Gail

>

>> Anyway, once again, after 2 weeks of not using Ozone, my ears are

again draining steadily. I know we are all on a learning curve or

frontiers so to speak, but this phenomenon I find interesting, if not a

little puzzling.

[Guest guest]

wanda85929 <wanda85929@...> wrote: Oh, I misunderstood you. Can't say

that I've noticed that. What I

have noticed it the ozone (or at least the detoxing) will last like you

said a day or two after treatment. By that I mean the next day will

usaully produce more itching or rashing.

Thats how it used to be for me as well. Immediately after doing the ears, (next

day is immediate to me) I could always expect some release. But, 2 weeks

later?

I've been a chicken when it's comes to the ears. I only insufflate 5

minutes one ear at a time and not every day.

Hmmm. My usual time is 15-20 minutes both ears simulatneously. You will never

believe what the system I've engineered for vag insufflation.

It seems like I remember

Saul (Saul you can chime in here if I'm wrong) saying the toxins will

exit the path of least resistance.

The only time I've gotten a slight patchy skin rash is from not washing after a

Sauna treatment. I guess I take the ears over walking around scratching myself

from head to foot.

I have heard of people simply by eating a

detox program will run a fever or have skin erruptions, but I've never

heard of them have weeping ears, weeping eyes, tho. lol

This is no laughing matter my dear lady. <G> I forgot to mention that since

the get go my scalp has been affected as well and hair/scalp hygiene demands a

great deal of viligence on my part. What exudes from my ears also appears to

form patchy spots on my scalp which after drying is similar to severe dandruff

spots. I know of one other person this happens to as well. When removed with a

combe as my hair is wet it reappears again the next day. It has the exact same

odor as what exudes from the ears.

So, I am also thinking I am playing the toxin shell game....my scalp also

appears to be an exit point. In a way, not too surprising when I recall the

many years of beauty treatments..ahem...commercial hot oil treatments, and all

manner of beautifying gunk I've applied to my head, I think.....how the heck

could so junk much be stored in one body?!

Gail

>

> Hmmm. Couldn't agree more with your analogy Gail, but when I say

puzzling, what I did not make clear was that after 2 weeks of no Ozone,

suddenly, my ears start weeping again. In those two weeks I started

other detoxing.....lo and behold, its coming from the ears again at a

steady pace...without further Ozone treatments to induce the exits.

In the past, this has usually happened a day or two immediately after

Ozone.

>

> I've begun to think now that as soon as I do any detox regimens the

ears seem to be the most convenient method of exit for herxing matter.

This is the 2nd or 3rd time I've seen this pattern occur. Have you

found any of this to be true with your own treatments.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

wanda85929 <wanda85929@...> wrote: Oh, I misunderstood you. Can't say

that I've noticed that. What I

have noticed it the ozone (or at least the detoxing) will last like you

said a day or two after treatment. By that I mean the next day will

usaully produce more itching or rashing.

Thats how it used to be for me as well. Immediately after doing the ears, (next

day is immediate to me) I could always expect some release. But, 2 weeks

later?

I've been a chicken when it's comes to the ears. I only insufflate 5

minutes one ear at a time and not every day.

Hmmm. My usual time is 15-20 minutes both ears simulatneously. You will never

believe what the system I've engineered for vag insufflation.

It seems like I remember

Saul (Saul you can chime in here if I'm wrong) saying the toxins will

exit the path of least resistance.

The only time I've gotten a slight patchy skin rash is from not washing after a

Sauna treatment. I guess I take the ears over walking around scratching myself

from head to foot.

I have heard of people simply by eating a

detox program will run a fever or have skin erruptions, but I've never

heard of them have weeping ears, weeping eyes, tho. lol

This is no laughing matter my dear lady. <G> I forgot to mention that since

the get go my scalp has been affected as well and hair/scalp hygiene demands a

great deal of viligence on my part. What exudes from my ears also appears to

form patchy spots on my scalp which after drying is similar to severe dandruff

spots. I know of one other person this happens to as well. When removed with a

combe as my hair is wet it reappears again the next day. It has the exact same

odor as what exudes from the ears.

So, I am also thinking I am playing the toxin shell game....my scalp also

appears to be an exit point. In a way, not too surprising when I recall the

many years of beauty treatments..ahem...commercial hot oil treatments, and all

manner of beautifying gunk I've applied to my head, I think.....how the heck

could so junk much be stored in one body?!

Gail

>

> Hmmm. Couldn't agree more with your analogy Gail, but when I say

puzzling, what I did not make clear was that after 2 weeks of no Ozone,

suddenly, my ears start weeping again. In those two weeks I started

other detoxing.....lo and behold, its coming from the ears again at a

steady pace...without further Ozone treatments to induce the exits.

In the past, this has usually happened a day or two immediately after

Ozone.

>

> I've begun to think now that as soon as I do any detox regimens the

ears seem to be the most convenient method of exit for herxing matter.

This is the 2nd or 3rd time I've seen this pattern occur. Have you

found any of this to be true with your own treatments.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

" I have heard of people simply by eating a detox program will run a fever or

have skin eruptions, but I've never heard of them have weeping ears, weeping

eyes, tho. lol "

When my wife first got breast cancer 20 years ago she chose to go macrobiotic.

We had been married 16 years when the cancer was found. The M counselor told

her he wasn't worried about her breast cancer but her reproductive system was a

mess (We had been told 8 years before that we would not be able to have children

- fortunately neither of us was too concerned but gave up contraception then.)

He also told us about healing reactions eh had seen - flu symptoms, headaches,

nausea, skin eruptions, etc and, because a woman's eyes were very connected with

her reproductive system, she could very likely expect oozing from the eyes. We

went very strictly into macrobiotics. I did everything by the book, even taking

food to friends when invited out. About 4 weeks into the diet we had

experienced almost all the cleansing reactions except the eyes. Then, her eyes

started to weep. So much so that I had to bring her a warm, damp face cloth for

her to wipe the gunk out of her eyes every morning - basically they were glued

shut. The oozing stopped after about 6-8 weeks. About 6 months after starting

macrobiotics, she started throwing up in the morning and thought it was just

another healing reaction. I went and bought a pregnancy test kit - still have

the little thing with the " + " sign in my daughters baby book. THE BEST THING

THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED IN MY LIFE! She then made an appointment with her OBGyn

who confirmed she was about 8-10 weeks pregnant. We also had several flu

symptoms and times with blocked ears as well.

She had about 14 years cancer free and would not do the same or anything else

when the cancer came back about 5 years ago. She remained in denial until she

became paralyzed 3 years ago. She passed away last year. One of the reasons I

bought the ozone sauna was to try to get her to do something. At least I got to

meet a lot of you wonderful people.

Best wishes and much love, Ken

Ken Gullan

Institute for Research Integration (IRI), San Diego, CA 92106-2424

IRI is a 501C(3) non-profit corporation established to help children with

developmental difficulties.

To contact me off-list use kengullan@... or call 619-222-1104

Re: ozone therapy and CFS

Oh, I misunderstood you. Can't say that I've noticed that. What I

have noticed it the ozone (or at least the detoxing) will last like you

said a day or two after treatment. By that I mean the next day will

usaully produce more itching or rashing.

I've been a chicken when it's comes to the ears. I only insufflate 5

minutes one ear at a time and not every day. It seems like I remember

Saul (Saul you can chime in here if I'm wrong) saying the toxins will

exit the path of least resistance. For me I guess that would be my

skin, while yours is the ears. I also think my liver is not in the

best of shape so it doesn't always do the job leaving the skin to be

the least place of resistance. I quess it doesn't matter how you

detox as long as you detox. I have heard of people simply by eating a

detox program will run a fever or have skin erruptions, but I've never

heard of them have weeping ears, weeping eyes, tho. lol

Gail

>

> Hmmm. Couldn't agree more with your analogy Gail, but when I say

puzzling, what I did not make clear was that after 2 weeks of no Ozone,

suddenly, my ears start weeping again. In those two weeks I started

other detoxing.....lo and behold, its coming from the ears again at a

steady pace...without further Ozone treatments to induce the exits.

In the past, this has usually happened a day or two immediately after

Ozone.

>

> I've begun to think now that as soon as I do any detox regimens the

ears seem to be the most convenient method of exit for herxing matter.

This is the 2nd or 3rd time I've seen this pattern occur. Have you

found any of this to be true with your own treatments.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Anybody has an idea on how to use ozone therapy on dogs with Leishmaniasis

Donovani, that is caused by protozoa ???

When joining this group I was quite hesitant, but ......... I am getting

convinced now.

Dirk Chardet

Re: ozone therapy and CFS

You're right about the detoxing not being a laughing matter. When I

first started doing ear insufflatin, I did my usual jump right in 15 3x

daily. Got in a lot of trouble and that has scared me so I go easy.

My reference to lol was in regard to the weeping eyes because the

detoxing is so miserable it makes one cry. And although it's not

funny, it's the laugh or cry kind of thing. & /or

gail

-- In oxyplus , Carol Ann <saffireskyes@...> wrote:

>

> This is no laughing matter my dear lady. <G>

[Guest guest]

Dear Dirk,

You could try rectal insufflation, but probably your best bet will be

intravenous.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

Re: ozone therapy and CFS

>

>

> You're right about the detoxing not being a laughing matter. When I

> first started doing ear insufflatin, I did my usual jump right in 15 3x

> daily. Got in a lot of trouble and that has scared me so I go easy.

>

> My reference to lol was in regard to the weeping eyes because the

> detoxing is so miserable it makes one cry. And although it's not

> funny, it's the laugh or cry kind of thing. & /or

>

> gail

> -- In oxyplus , Carol Ann <saffireskyes@...> wrote:

> >

> > This is no laughing matter my dear lady. <G>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks a lot Saul, for your advice.

Doing intravenous insufflation myself, doesn't appeal to me very much, so it

should be rectally.

It will take time and patience to get a dog used to that .........

Cheers,

Dirk Chardet

Re: ozone therapy and CFS

>

>

> You're right about the detoxing not being a laughing matter. When I

> first started doing ear insufflatin, I did my usual jump right in 15 3x

> daily. Got in a lot of trouble and that has scared me so I go easy.

>

> My reference to lol was in regard to the weeping eyes because the

> detoxing is so miserable it makes one cry. And although it's not

> funny, it's the laugh or cry kind of thing. & /or

>

> gail

> -- In oxyplus , Carol Ann <saffireskyes@...> wrote:

> >

> > This is no laughing matter my dear lady. <G>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i use it fairly often on my dogs/pups.... i use 60cc syringes and inject under

their skin. it blows up like a baloon and you can leave it and let it absorb on

it's on or message it in. i've injected 4 to 6 at a time on medium to large

dogs. works great on all kinds of problems.

wes

Re: ozone therapy and CFS

Anybody has an idea on how to use ozone therapy on dogs with Leishmaniasis

Donovani, that is caused by protozoa ???

I use an Ozone services unit at 1/32 LPM, conc setting 3 or 4 load 2 60cc

syringes twice daily administer rectally for weeks.

I also filled the cathedar with water, it seems to help, then hold the dog

down for 20 min. You can also train them to inhale ozone using water and oil

XOX,

Luv

[Guest guest]

Thank you, . I'll find a way to introduce this in their protocol. Right now

things are improving again with these mixes of oil of eucalyptus (a tiny bit),

ricinus and palm that I 'brush' on to and into their skin several times a week.

Apart from 6 hours of 'zapping' daily and some more .......... Cheers, Dirk

Chardet

Re: ozone therapy and CFS

Anybody has an idea on how to use ozone therapy on dogs with Leishmaniasis

Donovani, that is caused by protozoa ???

I use an Ozone services unit at 1/32 LPM, conc setting 3 or 4 load 2 60cc

syringes twice daily administer rectally for weeks.

I also filled the cathedar with water, it seems to help, then hold the dog

down for 20 min. You can also train them to inhale ozone using water and oil

XOX,

Luv

[Guest guest]

Thanks Wes, This - injecting under the skin - I am able to do as well. In the

veins is another story. Do you mean you injected one and the same dog on 4 - 6

different places ? Cheers, Dirk Chardet

From: wlpate

oxyplus

Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:41 AM

Subject: Re: Re: ozone therapy and CFS

i use it fairly often on my dogs/pups.... i use 60cc syringes and inject under

their skin. it blows up like a baloon and you can leave it and let it absorb on

it's on or message it in. i've injected 4 to 6 at a time on medium to large

dogs. works great on all kinds of problems.

wes

Re: ozone therapy and CFS

Anybody has an idea on how to use ozone therapy on dogs with Leishmaniasis

Donovani, that is caused by protozoa ???

I use an Ozone services unit at 1/32 LPM, conc setting 3 or 4 load 2 60cc

syringes twice daily administer rectally for weeks.

I also filled the cathedar with water, it seems to help, then hold the dog

down for 20 min. You can also train them to inhale ozone using water and oil

XOX,

Luv

[Guest guest]

i've injected all over the body depending on what i'm treating but i was saying

4-6 60cc syringes full.... depends on how sick the dog is as to how much i

usually give. the first time or two i start out a little liter then increase

quite a bit. i give most shots on top of their back from the neck area and work

back. it will knock out coccidia or any bacterial infection within a day or two

although i continue the treatment for about a week. durring this time if it's a

bacterial infection i'll give them ozoned water a couple times durring the day

to. i use alot of col silver to. i had to look up this Leishmaniasis

Donovani as i've never heard of it. if you have trouble clearing up the skin

problems you can use perxide to. it will bleach their hair but it does amazing

things. we have treated and cured demodex mange using everything mentioned above

along with taking them completely off of commercial dog food.

wes

Re: ozone therapy and CFS

Anybody has an idea on how to use ozone therapy on dogs with Leishmaniasis

Donovani, that is caused by protozoa ???

I use an Ozone services unit at 1/32 LPM, conc setting 3 or 4 load 2 60cc

syringes twice daily administer rectally for weeks.

I also filled the cathedar with water, it seems to help, then hold the dog

down for 20 min. You can also train them to inhale ozone using water and oil

XOX,

Luv

[Guest guest]

Wes,

The injecting part is clear now, thank you.

Q1 ; how you give ozonated water ? You just put it down and wait till they drink

it ? Mix with milk ? Or put it on their skin ?

Q2 ; the peroxide needs to be rubbed into the skin ? Strength ?

Q3 ; how do you use the CS (silver) ?

Demodicosis (demodex mange) can be easily be cured with cinnamon oil (expensive)

and with ricinus oil (cheap) as well.

Thanks,

DCH

Re: ozone therapy and CFS

Anybody has an idea on how to use ozone therapy on dogs with Leishmaniasis

Donovani, that is caused by protozoa ???

I use an Ozone services unit at 1/32 LPM, conc setting 3 or 4 load 2 60cc

syringes twice daily administer rectally for weeks.

I also filled the cathedar with water, it seems to help, then hold the dog

down for 20 min. You can also train them to inhale ozone using water and oil

XOX,

Luv

[Guest guest]

Q1 we put it down and let them drink... usually after walking them or letting

the out to play that way they always drink some while it's fresh.

Q2 we just spray the peroxide on them 3% to 6%... sometimes i'll use up to 17.5%

on areas that are red & inflammed not raw or scabbed over. we do this with a

q-tip.

Q3 the CS we also put down for them to drink ( we make our own). we also will

spray on the sores... i use this before any peroxide because it won't bleach

their hair... you can also mix a little 3%peroxide with it... suppose to

increase the effectivness of the CS... i can't say that i have made that

observation myself just something i read awhile back.

thanks for the tip on the cinamon oil... i'll try it sometime

wes

Re: ozone therapy and CFS

Anybody has an idea on how to use ozone therapy on dogs with Leishmaniasis

Donovani, that is caused by protozoa ???

I use an Ozone services unit at 1/32 LPM, conc setting 3 or 4 load 2 60cc

syringes twice daily administer rectally for weeks.

I also filled the cathedar with water, it seems to help, then hold the dog

down for 20 min. You can also train them to inhale ozone using water and oil

XOX,

Luv

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much.

Cheers, DCH

Re: ozone therapy and CFS

Anybody has an idea on how to use ozone therapy on dogs with Leishmaniasis

Donovani, that is caused by protozoa ???

I use an Ozone services unit at 1/32 LPM, conc setting 3 or 4 load 2 60cc

syringes twice daily administer rectally for weeks.

I also filled the cathedar with water, it seems to help, then hold the dog

down for 20 min. You can also train them to inhale ozone using water and oil

XOX,

Luv

[Guest guest]

Hi Gail,

Thanks very much for your feedback. And I'm glad to hear that you're doing so

well on the adrenal supplements and are able to take the saunas again. I too had

the same results with regular saunas, rapid hearbeat and wasted. I used an infra

red sauna a couple of times and it wasn't as severe, but was cautioned about

using it too often. Do you feel the insulfating helped your adrenals

specifically? Did you have any detox reactions from it? Do you think ozone might

also help woth hashimotos (hyposthyroidism)?

You are right, getting the adrenals straightened out is indeed the plan. I had

the als test and it showed I had the next to the owest level of adrenal fatique.

I've been working for the past few months with a doctor who's trying to wean me

off of synthroid and onto armour thyroid and is also helping me to rebuild my

adrenals. He's got me on a supplement called " Adrenal Rebuilder " , by Future

Formulations, which has a mix of adrenal, pituitary, hypothlamus, gonad and

thyroid. I'm also on an amino acid blend, rid-cal (collagen), and a phosphatydal

choline and lecithin blend calledphosphaline specifically for the adenals. Am

also on Co Q10. I've noticed an up and down cycle of energy and internal stress,

mental fog, etc. I attribute the inconsistant progress more to outside sources

of stress that my family that we are slowly getting resolved. There's no doubt

that one's environment plays a huge factor. But I'm hopeful that time and

persistance will do the trick.

I'm ordering Dr. 's book. Do you follow his protocols exclusively? Any

other thoughts from you or other list members would be appreciated. Keep up the

good work!

Respectfully,

wanda85929 <wanda85929@...> wrote:

Hi ,

I do ozone saunas, but I had problems with it in the beginning.

Didn't understand why until now I know about the adrenals. I'd feel

wasted after a sauna, and my heart would just race. Eventualy I just

went to insufflation.

When I learned about AF, I got on the adrenals and made other changes

in my life to repair them. I also started taking more calcium and CO

Q 10. Now that the weather is getting colder, I've started taking a

few more saunas and have to say I'm loving them. Now instead of

feeling wasted, I feel relaxed and soothed.

Still do a lot of insufflating, but now will do a sauna for a

treat.

Why don't you just repair your adrenals first, and then you can do

any kind of sauna you want. I've hear very good things about infra

red saunas, but don't have any experience with them.

Gail

-- In oxyplus , " jacobadler123 " <jacobadler123@...>

wrote:

>

> Wanda,

>

> Are these infra red sauna treatments you're doing? Do you find that

> they are helpful to your adrenals? Still trying to figure out what

> is best to do. Have read that supressed or fatigued adrenals don't

> do well in an infrared sauna, but one of my docs feels that the

> lower temps in infrared do not disturb the adrenals, but help

> release toxins and such and thereby also help with some adrenal and

> thyroid issues as well as many other problems, cfs, high bp, etc.

>

> Any thoughts on this?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

> >

> >> Chi Machine - http://www.excellentthings.com

> > Infra red - same place as above

> >

> > The adrenal program of Dr. A , mentioned above

> >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Gail, I am so glad you wrote that lengthy e-mail for as it has

really brought some thought to my attention. Not only that but this

morning I was listening to Stanley preach while I did my work

and took my vitamins etc... His sermon was on loneliness and how it can

affect your health and spiritual life.

The greatest dive my health took was during a stressful time when I

forced myself to help my mother move out of a two bedroom house BY

MYSELF because we had no help and not enough money to hire help. Then

living with her for just a mere six weeks when she was so unhappy

stressed me much worse than the work I did moving her when I was already

ill and not able to do so, but did it anyway, Her possessions were not

worth my health! I will never forget the extreme emotional stess I

was in and had more work at home than I could do. That is EXACTLY when

I got so sick and that was nearly six years ago. I have never felt

good since.

This has really got me thinking that one of the reasons I may not be

getting well is because of STRESS and lonliness and isolation.

Isolation can also be a stress I am thinking, and I did not associate it

with not getting well AT ALL. Also I let my family members problems

become mine. Namely my mother and daughter who cannot seem to manage

their affairs for various reasons.

I am thinking now I am going to have to seperate myself from those

problems as much as I can. I also need to get going more on the

adrenals. Time or no time, I think something has to go and I need to

take drastic measures to get out of this entrapment I have gotton into

if I am ever going to get well.

This was a great e-mail for me I have to say, and it came at an ideal

time after listening to a good sermon on TV. Great timing. Putting

two and two together I can now see one reason I am not getting anywhere

with my health. I feel that I am more obligated to those that don't

care about me than I am myself!!!

I guess that can happen when you are isolated and you can't see clearly.

Anyway, this is another step I see now that I have to take. Great

e-mail~~~~and well said.

Steph

[Guest guest]

Gail, I am so glad you wrote that lengthy e-mail for as it has

really brought some thought to my attention. Not only that but this

morning I was listening to Stanley preach while I did my work

and took my vitamins etc... His sermon was on loneliness and how it can

affect your health and spiritual life.

The greatest dive my health took was during a stressful time when I

forced myself to help my mother move out of a two bedroom house BY

MYSELF because we had no help and not enough money to hire help. Then

living with her for just a mere six weeks when she was so unhappy

stressed me much worse than the work I did moving her when I was already

ill and not able to do so, but did it anyway, Her possessions were not

worth my health! I will never forget the extreme emotional stess I

was in and had more work at home than I could do. That is EXACTLY when

I got so sick and that was nearly six years ago. I have never felt

good since.

This has really got me thinking that one of the reasons I may not be

getting well is because of STRESS and lonliness and isolation.

Isolation can also be a stress I am thinking, and I did not associate it

with not getting well AT ALL. Also I let my family members problems

become mine. Namely my mother and daughter who cannot seem to manage

their affairs for various reasons.

I am thinking now I am going to have to seperate myself from those

problems as much as I can. I also need to get going more on the

adrenals. Time or no time, I think something has to go and I need to

take drastic measures to get out of this entrapment I have gotton into

if I am ever going to get well.

This was a great e-mail for me I have to say, and it came at an ideal

time after listening to a good sermon on TV. Great timing. Putting

two and two together I can now see one reason I am not getting anywhere

with my health. I feel that I am more obligated to those that don't

care about me than I am myself!!!

I guess that can happen when you are isolated and you can't see clearly.

Anyway, this is another step I see now that I have to take. Great

e-mail~~~~and well said.

Steph

[Guest guest]

good morn steph, have you ever heard of EFT ( emotional freedom techniques). i

find it fasinating.. here's the web site http://www.emofree.com/ . look under

the practioners and you'll find a long list in florida. they can even do this

over the phone but if possible i think in person would be better. there is a

manual you can download online.... i know you can't but you can go to an office

or printing store and get them to and they can print it out for you...

wes

Re: Re: ozone therapy and CFS

Gail, I am so glad you wrote that lengthy e-mail for as it has

really brought some thought to my attention. Not only that but this

morning I was listening to Stanley preach while I did my work

and took my vitamins etc... His sermon was on loneliness and how it can

affect your health and spiritual life.

The greatest dive my health took was during a stressful time when I

forced myself to help my mother move out of a two bedroom house BY

MYSELF because we had no help and not enough money to hire help. Then

living with her for just a mere six weeks when she was so unhappy

stressed me much worse than the work I did moving her when I was already

ill and not able to do so, but did it anyway, Her possessions were not

worth my health! I will never forget the extreme emotional stess I

was in and had more work at home than I could do. That is EXACTLY when

I got so sick and that was nearly six years ago. I have never felt

good since.

This has really got me thinking that one of the reasons I may not be

getting well is because of STRESS and lonliness and isolation.

Isolation can also be a stress I am thinking, and I did not associate it

with not getting well AT ALL. Also I let my family members problems

become mine. Namely my mother and daughter who cannot seem to manage

their affairs for various reasons.

I am thinking now I am going to have to seperate myself from those

problems as much as I can. I also need to get going more on the

adrenals. Time or no time, I think something has to go and I need to

take drastic measures to get out of this entrapment I have gotton into

if I am ever going to get well.

This was a great e-mail for me I have to say, and it came at an ideal

time after listening to a good sermon on TV. Great timing. Putting

two and two together I can now see one reason I am not getting anywhere

with my health. I feel that I am more obligated to those that don't

care about me than I am myself!!!

I guess that can happen when you are isolated and you can't see clearly.

Anyway, this is another step I see now that I have to take. Great

e-mail~~~~and well said.

Steph

[Guest guest]

Yes Wes, I am doing the EFT currently. I lost my paper work however,

so have to get busy and look for it. I will see if I can click onto

that particular link you sent. I don't have much faith in EFT to be able

to help a lot with mercury, lead and arsenic poisoning though if this be

part of my problem. It may however help with the low adrenals I am

sure! I just started it so no results as yet, then I lost my paper

work when hubby went to the hospital and after that I got company from

out ot town. Everything went out of sync for that week so am still

doing catch up. Steph