Re: Re: Asperger's-OCD-AUTIM-BIPOLAR

January 31, 2007

I agree that these conditions aren't necessarily happening at a higher rate

but that the medical field knows what they are now. I have had OCD my

entire life (my mom tells me stories about me at the age of two that are so

much

like my own daughter) and I was not diagnosed until I was in my

thirties--after both of my kids were diagnosed. My mom says that people just

didn't take

their kids to the doctor for things like that. She asked my pediatrician

about my behavior one time and was told that any problems I was having were

hers

to deal with. She never asked again and struggled for years. Even when I

started therapy in high school, I was not diagnosed. My dad, his sister, his

father, and probably his grandfather all show/showed signs of very classic OCD

and they were never diagnosed. I think the disorder has been out there and

people have not always had a name for them. Kelley in NV

January 31, 2007

I think maybe we are more aware of these conditions now and that could be

why more cases are picked up.

Certainly looking at my family history I would say my dad and my brother had

some kind of disorder.

Although Asperger's was discovered at around the 1940's it seems only more

recently that the medical profession are recognising it.

Val

Re: Asperger's-OCD-AUTIM-BIPOLAR

> It's interesting that so many of the symptoms of Asperger's and OCD

> overlap. Also, my friend has a daughter with bi-polar disorder who

> also had many sensory issues as a kid.

>

> I am wondering if the prevelence of OCD and bi-polar has gone up as

> much as autism spectrum disorders (which is now roughly 1 in 150

> kids). If so, I would definately think that environmental factors

> are playing a significant role. Additionally, there are many

> families with ASD kids who also have bi-polar, OCD, depression, and

> schizophrenia in the family.

>

> I think with many of these disorders it's a combination of genetic

> predisposition (poor methylators), environmental toxin (like mercury

> and/or lead) and viral or bacterial infection. Also, in autism

> there is autoimmunity...and heavy metals can bring about

> autoimmunity. That is why aluminum is used as an adjuvant in

> vaccines - to get an immune response. Many kids with autism have

> highly elevated antibodies to measles, and some even have vaccine-

> strain measles DNA in their intestines and spinal fluid.

>

>>

>> thank you - i'll just stick with OCD for now then - that's more

> than

>> enough LOL!

>> eileen

>>

>> Quoting jchabot <jchabot@...>:

>>

>> > Eileen, My dd has the " alphabet soup " diagnosis. She has been

>> > diagnosed with everything. At her last two appointments they

> ruled

>> > out her pdd-nos diagnosis. My dd has poor eye contact at times,

> and

>> > will also fiaxate on one child at a playground or wherever she

> is.

>> > She has sensory issues as well as self-stimming and ocd, and

>> > bipolar. She is very smart also, above average IQ-119.She has

> low

>> > self esteem. You would never in a million years think anything

> is

>> > wrong with her by seeing her. Don't think too much on the

> diagnosis!

>> > She's your daughter, and You know her better than anyone else.

> Half

>> > of these doctors are not even capable of making diagnosis.

> Anyone

>> > in this group could diagnose. The diagnosis usually changes

>> > anyway. Depending on the p-doc you go to, they will either add

>> > another diagnosis or take one away. Try going to several

> different

>> > doctors and you will see that not one will have the exact same

>> > diagnosis. Commorbidity is extremely difficult to diagnose.Your

> dd

>> > may

>> > show signs of ocd, bipolar, autistic spectrum disorders,adhd

> etc,

>> > but it doesn't mean she has all of them. Sometimes one diagnosis

> can

>> > cause all the symptoms.

>> > Hang in there

>> > Hugs

>> > Judy

>> >

>> > "

>> >

January 31, 2007

I was thinking the same thing, . I have heard that autism has the same

rate of occurrence in countries where mercury is not used in vaccinations.

Kelley in NV

January 31, 2007

We had a very difficult time outruling pdd-nos with my dd. She had so many

overlapping symptoms. She was practically diagnosed with everything.My dd also

has all the sensory issues, but is currently diagnosed with ocd and bipolar.

Bipolar causes manyoverlapping symptoms like adhd, add, odd, panic, and ocd

symptoms. It is very difficult for doctors to diagnose if your child has one

disorder or several. Like I posted before, you have to get a neuropsychological

evaluation done on your child. I had two done on my dd, because of all the

controversy.

Genetics plays a very big part in all of this.

I have heard about the MMR vaccines causing havoc in children. My girls didn't

have a problem with them but my son, diagnosed with ocd and mood disorder nos,

had a severe allergic reaction to the MMR vaccine. He could not receive a second

dose of the shot. After getting him tested, he was already immune with the one

dose.

Just me- rambling on!

Hugs

Judy

McDonough <kevntimmcd@...> wrote:

It's interesting that so many of the symptoms of Asperger's and OCD

overlap. Also, my friend has a daughter with bi-polar disorder who

also had many sensory issues as a kid.

I am wondering if the prevelence of OCD and bi-polar has gone up as

much as autism spectrum disorders (which is now roughly 1 in 150

kids). If so, I would definately think that environmental factors

are playing a significant role. Additionally, there are many

families with ASD kids who also have bi-polar, OCD, depression, and

schizophrenia in the family.

I think with many of these disorders it's a combination of genetic

predisposition (poor methylators), environmental toxin (like mercury

and/or lead) and viral or bacterial infection. Also, in autism

there is autoimmunity...and heavy metals can bring about

autoimmunity. That is why aluminum is used as an adjuvant in

vaccines - to get an immune response. Many kids with autism have

highly elevated antibodies to measles, and some even have vaccine-

strain measles DNA in their intestines and spinal fluid.

>

> thank you - i'll just stick with OCD for now then - that's more

than

> enough LOL!

> eileen

>

> Quoting jchabot <jchabot@...>:

>

> > Eileen, My dd has the " alphabet soup " diagnosis. She has been

> > diagnosed with everything. At her last two appointments they

ruled

> > out her pdd-nos diagnosis. My dd has poor eye contact at times,

and

> > will also fiaxate on one child at a playground or wherever she

is.

> > She has sensory issues as well as self-stimming and ocd, and

> > bipolar. She is very smart also, above average IQ-119.She has

low

> > self esteem. You would never in a million years think anything

is

> > wrong with her by seeing her. Don't think too much on the

diagnosis!

> > She's your daughter, and You know her better than anyone else.

Half

> > of these doctors are not even capable of making diagnosis.

Anyone

> > in this group could diagnose. The diagnosis usually changes

> > anyway. Depending on the p-doc you go to, they will either add

> > another diagnosis or take one away. Try going to several

different

> > doctors and you will see that not one will have the exact same

> > diagnosis. Commorbidity is extremely difficult to diagnose.Your

dd

> > may

> > show signs of ocd, bipolar, autistic spectrum disorders,adhd

etc,

> > but it doesn't mean she has all of them. Sometimes one diagnosis

can

> > cause all the symptoms.

> > Hang in there

> > Hugs

> > Judy

> >

> > "

> >

January 31, 2007

due to fear of autism etc I had the doc order separate shots and

waited until later to do tht vaccine - she had the measles shot alone

like most of us adults but then doc couldn't get his hands on the

others separate so I waited until she was older and did the MMR - so

she had a total of 2 measles, one of the others - made me feel better

but of course she's the one with OCD now and the others got MMR " s

(late too) but still - life is confusing! - just thoughts this a.m.

PS as I mentioned I'm seeing imporovement with ERP but she has times

she's doing it and times she's not but also throwing in other things

she's not working on and is ok with them here and there - I feel like

there's improvement but yet none in ways - frustrating! it's wiping

we're working on so how can I help when I'm not in there due to

privacy???

eileen

Quoting jchabot <jchabot@...>:

> We had a very difficult time outruling pdd-nos with my dd. She had

> so many overlapping symptoms. She was practically diagnosed with

> everything.My dd also has all the sensory issues, but is currently

> diagnosed with ocd and bipolar. Bipolar causes manyoverlapping

> symptoms like adhd, add, odd, panic, and ocd symptoms. It is very

> difficult for doctors to diagnose if your child has one disorder or

> several. Like I posted before, you have to get a neuropsychological

> evaluation done on your child. I had two done on my dd, because of

> all the controversy.

> Genetics plays a very big part in all of this.

> I have heard about the MMR vaccines causing havoc in children. My

> girls didn't have a problem with them but my son, diagnosed with ocd

> and mood disorder nos, had a severe allergic reaction to the MMR

> vaccine. He could not receive a second dose of the shot. After

> getting him tested, he was already immune with the one dose.

> Just me- rambling on!

> Hugs

> Judy

>

> McDonough <kevntimmcd@...> wrote:

> It's interesting that so many of the symptoms of

> Asperger's and OCD

> overlap. Also, my friend has a daughter with bi-polar disorder who

> also had many sensory issues as a kid.

>

> I am wondering if the prevelence of OCD and bi-polar has gone up as

> much as autism spectrum disorders (which is now roughly 1 in 150

> kids). If so, I would definately think that environmental factors

> are playing a significant role. Additionally, there are many

> families with ASD kids who also have bi-polar, OCD, depression, and

> schizophrenia in the family.

>

> I think with many of these disorders it's a combination of genetic

> predisposition (poor methylators), environmental toxin (like mercury

> and/or lead) and viral or bacterial infection. Also, in autism

> there is autoimmunity...and heavy metals can bring about

> autoimmunity. That is why aluminum is used as an adjuvant in

> vaccines - to get an immune response. Many kids with autism have

> highly elevated antibodies to measles, and some even have vaccine-

> strain measles DNA in their intestines and spinal fluid.

>

> >

> > thank you - i'll just stick with OCD for now then - that's more

> than

> > enough LOL!

> > eileen

> >

> > Quoting jchabot <jchabot@...>:

> >

> > > Eileen, My dd has the " alphabet soup " diagnosis. She has been

> > > diagnosed with everything. At her last two appointments they

> ruled

> > > out her pdd-nos diagnosis. My dd has poor eye contact at times,

> and

> > > will also fiaxate on one child at a playground or wherever she

> is.

> > > She has sensory issues as well as self-stimming and ocd, and

> > > bipolar. She is very smart also, above average IQ-119.She has

> low

> > > self esteem. You would never in a million years think anything

> is

> > > wrong with her by seeing her. Don't think too much on the

> diagnosis!

> > > She's your daughter, and You know her better than anyone else.

> Half

> > > of these doctors are not even capable of making diagnosis.

> Anyone

> > > in this group could diagnose. The diagnosis usually changes

> > > anyway. Depending on the p-doc you go to, they will either add

> > > another diagnosis or take one away. Try going to several

> different

> > > doctors and you will see that not one will have the exact same

> > > diagnosis. Commorbidity is extremely difficult to diagnose.Your

> dd

> > > may

> > > show signs of ocd, bipolar, autistic spectrum disorders,adhd

> etc,

> > > but it doesn't mean she has all of them. Sometimes one diagnosis

> can

> > > cause all the symptoms.

> > > Hang in there

> > > Hugs

> > > Judy

> > >

> > > "

> > >

January 31, 2007

I agree and hopefully that will help our kids and grandchildren -

awareness is key!

eileen

Quoting kelleydinkins@...:

> I agree that these conditions aren't necessarily happening at a higher rate

> but that the medical field knows what they are now. I have had OCD my

> entire life (my mom tells me stories about me at the age of two that

> are so much

> like my own daughter) and I was not diagnosed until I was in my

> thirties--after both of my kids were diagnosed. My mom says that

> people just didn't take

> their kids to the doctor for things like that. She asked my pediatrician

> about my behavior one time and was told that any problems I was

> having were hers

> to deal with. She never asked again and struggled for years. Even when I

> started therapy in high school, I was not diagnosed. My dad, his

> sister, his

> father, and probably his grandfather all show/showed signs of very

> classic OCD

> and they were never diagnosed. I think the disorder has been out there and

> people have not always had a name for them. Kelley in NV

>

January 31, 2007

so funny you say that because one of the first things my dad said was

no one had this back in Ireland " I told him they did but we're hiding

it or thought of as crazy or as I told him they were drinking their

worries away - LOL - ( " I say that cause my parents are from there and

I don't drink) LOL!! some days I think I should take it up :-)

eileen

Quoting Val <magnumlady@...>:

> I think maybe we are more aware of these conditions now and that could be

> why more cases are picked up.

> Certainly looking at my family history I would say my dad and my brother had

> some kind of disorder.

> Although Asperger's was discovered at around the 1940's it seems only more

> recently that the medical profession are recognising it.

>

> Val

>

> Re: Asperger's-OCD-AUTIM-BIPOLAR

>

>> It's interesting that so many of the symptoms of Asperger's and OCD

>> overlap. Also, my friend has a daughter with bi-polar disorder who

>> also had many sensory issues as a kid.

>>

>> I am wondering if the prevelence of OCD and bi-polar has gone up as

>> much as autism spectrum disorders (which is now roughly 1 in 150

>> kids). If so, I would definately think that environmental factors

>> are playing a significant role. Additionally, there are many

>> families with ASD kids who also have bi-polar, OCD, depression, and

>> schizophrenia in the family.

>>

>> I think with many of these disorders it's a combination of genetic

>> predisposition (poor methylators), environmental toxin (like mercury

>> and/or lead) and viral or bacterial infection. Also, in autism

>> there is autoimmunity...and heavy metals can bring about

>> autoimmunity. That is why aluminum is used as an adjuvant in

>> vaccines - to get an immune response. Many kids with autism have

>> highly elevated antibodies to measles, and some even have vaccine-

>> strain measles DNA in their intestines and spinal fluid.

>>

>>>

>>> thank you - i'll just stick with OCD for now then - that's more

>> than

>>> enough LOL!

>>> eileen

>>>

>>> Quoting jchabot <jchabot@...>:

>>>

>>> > Eileen, My dd has the " alphabet soup " diagnosis. She has been

>>> > diagnosed with everything. At her last two appointments they

>> ruled

>>> > out her pdd-nos diagnosis. My dd has poor eye contact at times,

>> and

>>> > will also fiaxate on one child at a playground or wherever she

>> is.

>>> > She has sensory issues as well as self-stimming and ocd, and

>>> > bipolar. She is very smart also, above average IQ-119.She has

>> low

>>> > self esteem. You would never in a million years think anything

>> is

>>> > wrong with her by seeing her. Don't think too much on the

>> diagnosis!

>>> > She's your daughter, and You know her better than anyone else.

>> Half

>>> > of these doctors are not even capable of making diagnosis.

>> Anyone

>>> > in this group could diagnose. The diagnosis usually changes

>>> > anyway. Depending on the p-doc you go to, they will either add

>>> > another diagnosis or take one away. Try going to several

>> different

>>> > doctors and you will see that not one will have the exact same

>>> > diagnosis. Commorbidity is extremely difficult to diagnose.Your

>> dd

>>> > may

>>> > show signs of ocd, bipolar, autistic spectrum disorders,adhd

>> etc,

>>> > but it doesn't mean she has all of them. Sometimes one diagnosis

>> can

>>> > cause all the symptoms.

>>> > Hang in there

>>> > Hugs

>>> > Judy

>>> >

>>> > "

>>> >

January 31, 2007

Just an FYI -

There has not been any CONCLUSIVE evidence that these vaccinations are causing

autism or anything else on the spectrum.

Those of us who are dealing with these concerns would often love to have

something to blame for our children's difficulties. Unfortunately nothing has

been discovered yet that can cure our kids.

in Southeastern PA

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