Dr. Serra vs. Dr. Casavantes for PMMA

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I am considering PMMA treatment for my face and was re-reading posts

on this board by people who went to Dr. Serra in Brazil and those who

went to Dr. Casavantes in Tijuana. Can't decide which is the better

way to go. In terms of money, Dr. Serra's fees are lower but you have

to pay for a trip to Rio which costs a lot. Getting to Dr. Casavantes

is a cheap trip but his fees are much higher. So it's a wash there.

What I'm wondering though is the quality level. Don't know why, but I

just don't really trust the idea of getting medical treatment across

the boarder in Tijuana. Dr. Serra on the other hand has presented his

work at international AIDS conferences and is a legitimate expert in

his field.

Any thoughts on one doctor vs. the other? And, by chance is there

anyone on the board who's had experience with both docs so can make a

fair comparison?

Thanks,

Jess.

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Hello

I got treated for butt wasting and it really changed the way I look,

unfortunately I am out of money to finish the procedure…I would not

hesitate if I had the money…PMMA has a long history of being used in the

body with no significant problems that either did not fix themselves (remiss spontaneously)

or could be treated…additionally all the problems that ever showed

up were very minor according to Dr. Lemperle the great German medical

researcher who discovered the uses of PMMA for soft tissue reconstruction. In

fact Dr. Lemperle had injected PMMA into his own body as a test some 30 years ago

and has never had a problem from it. That’s a significant clinical

history.

It’s the technique Casavantes uses with the canula and the

deeper IM and sub-fascia implant that evidently prevents the lumps and unevenness

we have seen occasionally with shallow injections of PMMA. Legal, legit PMMA has

been safe and effective in tens of thousands of patients. The micro-canula is

also not painful like the hundreds of needle sticks that other providers like

Dr. Serra in Brazil employ.

We can never be 100% sure about anything in life (especially me),

but I can say that with PMMA I am not unduly concerned about serious

complications down the road…My confidence is so much so that I have had

my biceps and triceps and deltoids also treated with PMMA a few months ago. Yes

it looks amazing. Muscle augmentation by the way should ONLY be done with microcanula.

Any attempt to implant fillers of any sort with needles would be disastrous as

it would tear arteries and nerves to shreds not to mention the muscle itself. Canula

are blunted and cannot tear through delicate tissues like sharp needles.

Now I want to warn you personally about home-brewed “PMMA”

that some outfits sell at a greatly reduced price. The reason the prices are so

cheap in places that call themselves “esthetic spas and clinics”,

is that they make the product themselves. So what they make for pennies, they sell

it for many thousands of dollars. I would not trust home-brewed products that

are made of unknown substances in secret garages and industrial warehouses that

not even the Mexican government knows where they are.

By the way, Dr. Pierone informs me that the term ‘Home Brewed’

is a medical term to describe a non-professionally made medically used product

that is not supervised and licensed by any governing body or follows any

medical/legal standards. Basically garage made crap. And there is a lot of

it out there…you can read on the internet how to make PMMA at home yourself

and where to buy the raw materials. Except it won’t be near as safe,

effect or legal like the genuine medical article: ArteFill, Artecoll, New Plastic

and Metacrill.

These four brands are all more expensive then the home-brewed crap

because they are all legitimate legal products made in pharmaceutical

laboratories and plants. Leaving aside the differences between these products,

and there are significant, they are all legally produced in real medical labs.

I have for the most part kept my mouth shut about the problems I

have seen with home-brewed products because it seemed for a while that the

problems with Home Brew PMMA were not that severe, but the horrific damages

inflicted on human beings that I have recently seen makes me feel that ‘Home-Brewers’

should be condemned for doing human experimentation without informed patient consent

and no disclosure of what the hell it is they are getting injected.

And all this just to make money. Shameful. Sometimes in my

darkest moods I think to myself that the owners of these esthetic spas and

clinics are soulless creatures like Dr. Mangele who also experimented with

injections into human beings.

Al Benson

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Subject: Re:Dr. Serra vs. Dr. Casavantes for PMMA

Al,

My concern are the long term effects of getting the PMMA by Dr. Casavantes

injected into the buttocks for augmentation. I am scared that I'll have some

adverse reaction 10 years down the road and will be screwed. I am only 34 years

old and my butt has gotten very flat - no matter what type of squats I do, it

simply does not get better... so i have been looking into this. I have a price

from /Wade already, but am just nervous of the long term effects. I guess

there is no guarantee. Anyone you know had a bad experience?

>

> Objective information on the practices of Dr. Sera and Dr. Casavantes can

be

> found in http://www.facialwasting.org/buttock_wasting.htm,

>

> Both are experienced professionals. I happen to be personal friends with

> Casavantes and he has fixed my face, my butt and has done cosmetic

> muscle augmentation on my biceps, triceps and deltoids.

>

> He has a 'special affinity' for people who have suffered with HIV. He and

> his partner Wade have a reputation for the quality of their 'work' and

> attention to detail when it comes to creating a cosmetically perfect face

> and ass.

>

> Casavantes is working with Dr. Gerry Pierone (medical Director of the

> Body.com) and Dr. Doug Mest (the Sculptra pioneer) in bringing PMMA (New

> Plastic) for trials in the US. The paperwork has started and the trial is

> being organized now. (I should add that is doing this even

though,

> when PMMA becomes available affordably in the US, he will lose

business...I

> guess his commitment to people with AIDS runs pretty deep, huh?

>

> Dr Casavantes uses New Plastic, the demonstrably 'cleaner' of two legal

PMMA

> products made in Brazil. Dr. Casavantes also uses a deeper implantation

> technique that avoids the appearance and development of granulomas. Dr.

> Casavantes uses Microcanula technology and no needles at all. This avoids

> bruising and has a faster recovery and there is no danger of sharp needles

> cutting through nerves and blood vessels as can happen with ... sharp

> needles.

>

> Here is a video on the subject http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCnafr1ypcM

>

> Dr Serra was involved in getting PMMA subsidized by the Brazilian

government

> for poor people and in the initial trials of PMMA in Brazil....a good

thing,

> and makes him a hero in my socialist little heart.

>

> Dr. Serra is rivals with Dr. Almir Nacul who developed the PMMA that

> Casavantes uses and he will absolutely (!) not use New Plastic. Dr Serra

> uses Metacrill exclusively, the other legal PMMA in Brazil and as the

report

> I referenced above on butt wasting shows in photo-micrographs, of New

> Plastic vs. Metacrill; Metacrill is an inferior product that has lots of

> mis-sized and uneven particles of PMMA mixed in with all sorts of other

> microscopic flotsam that are the main cause of granulomas and inflammatory

> nodules. It's just not as good. Perhaps that's why it's cheaper.

>

> Tijuana Sux and is comparable to Detroit nowadays, but with newer office

> buildings. It Sux that is unless you live in California and know that you

> can be in and out of the ' clinic and return to the US after

getting

> treatment in under 4 hours start to finish.

>

> A much nicer setting then Tijuana is Dr. Casavantes 2 other offices in the

> resort cities of Puerto Vallarta and Guadalajara. He has a flyer with info

> that he just released http://web.me.com/skinalerts/DrC_Me/Home.html.

>

> ly I would favorable compare Puerto Vallarta against Rio de Janero

for

> cleanliness, safety, and natural beauty, and of course it's also THE new

gay

> tourist destination so it's a lot more comfortable.

>

> To make a decision you need to look at

>

> 1. the material used

>

> 2. the technique

>

> 3. the outcomes (how the work looks)

>

> From having referred hundreds of friends and acquaintances to Dr.

Casavantes

> and having seen the results close up, I have come to believe that is

> better and despite my personal admiration for Dr. Serra, his work in my

> opinion is just not as good. This is not to say that you will come

away

> from Dr. Serra looking messed up, just that I think you will be happier

with

> what can do for you with his materials and technique.

>

> Al Benson

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