Re: ISO Goat Milk Ramsey-Anoka-Andover area

[Guest guest]

Amy,

Like I told you before I can bring you down a sample to try next week. BUT I

WILL NOT sell or allow my drop site hosts to sell or collect money for milk--it

is not fair for them to assume that type of risk. Purchase is made on farm or

you have to buy an animal. I will not put any of my other critter owners at

risk that way either. Many have been with me for many years. And why are you

pushing for this purchase to be off the farm and not the normal way we do

things?

Taking on people with no refs is risky as it is. When they do not want to

participate in the way everything is set up, it puts up more flags.

There are many goat breeders in your area too that you could probably drive to

their farm and pick up some milk. Check out the MN Dairy Goat Associations web

site to find one near you. You can always drive up to the farm here too, I am

probably 45 minutes away.

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> Hello everyone. I'm looking to purchase 2 gallons of raw goat milk from a farm

that is near or has a drop off close to Ramsey. My toddlers are intolerant to

the raw cow milk. Although disappointed I am not surprised as my now 11 yr old

had the same issue at their age. He did fine on goat. We are from MI and have

few contacts here BUT this seems like the perfect place to ask for help. From

what I can tell, members are from all over. If tolerated I would continue to

purchase between 1 and 2 gals per week.

> Thank you in advance, Amy Boesl

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[Guest guest]

I don't know what to say, I'm sorry that I've upset you. I don't know how

this all works it is foreign to me. I get raw cow milk from a gal but she

doesn't keep goats. My relationship with her is very relaxed and we've become

friends so I'm baffled at why you seem so hostile towards me. I have 4 kids,

live away from my family and am exhausted and am just looking for something

close so I'm not driving hours with babies and spending more than I can afford.

That's all! And I don't understand why you couldn't have spoken with me directly

about this. I posted this ISO because I've been trying to purchase milk from you

without success. I'm trying to feed my family in a wholesome way. I am not

trying to put ANYONE at risk. I cannot afford to drive 3 hours for a gallon of

milk. I truly just didn't understand what I was asking.

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On Jul 15, 2012, at 9:30 AM, " Paradise " <paradisegoats@...> wrote:

> Amy,

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> Like I told you before I can bring you down a sample to try next week. BUT I

WILL NOT sell or allow my drop site hosts to sell or collect money for milk--it

is not fair for them to assume that type of risk. Purchase is made on farm or

you have to buy an animal. I will not put any of my other critter owners at risk

that way either. Many have been with me for many years. And why are you pushing

for this purchase to be off the farm and not the normal way we do things?

>

> Taking on people with no refs is risky as it is. When they do not want to

participate in the way everything is set up, it puts up more flags.

>

> There are many goat breeders in your area too that you could probably drive to

their farm and pick up some milk. Check out the MN Dairy Goat Associations web

site to find one near you. You can always drive up to the farm here too, I am

probably 45 minutes away.

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> > Hello everyone. I'm looking to purchase 2 gallons of raw goat milk from a

farm that is near or has a drop off close to Ramsey. My toddlers are intolerant

to the raw cow milk. Although disappointed I am not surprised as my now 11 yr

old had the same issue at their age. He did fine on goat. We are from MI and

have few contacts here BUT this seems like the perfect place to ask for help.

From what I can tell, members are from all over. If tolerated I would continue

to purchase between 1 and 2 gals per week.

> > Thank you in advance, Amy Boesl

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[Guest guest]

Amy,

You are not upsetting me or probably anyone else overly much. My " concern " with

what you have texted and e-mailed, and now posted, is that you seem to rather

purchase milk off farm than what options were presented to you.

I am not as " paranoid " as some on this list but that does not mean I will not

take what they say into perspective.

If you go back on this groups history over the last few years (just start with

2010 and the Hartmann stuff), you can see how the group has changed and how milk

has gone underground so to speak. You will be able to research for yourself

what has happened to the Hartmanns, the Trad Food warehouse, Alvin, and

others--and not just in our area.

We used to be much more welcoming and outgoing with each other, now it is pretty

much underground and everyone shut up. Which I think is more in the way the

powers that be want it. Stop the people from helping each other out and it cuts

the demand (or ease of getting the demand) to the farmer. Farmer still has

costs but either has to raise prices pushing customers away or get a job/extra

job off the farm to support it.

Take a look at it, the only foods on this list now that are " pushed " are USDA

processed/inspected meats (the only way to legally move meat across state lines

for resale is UDSA inspect) and pasteurized milk products and aged cheeses all

from in inspected farm in Wisconsin (again, only way to move across state lines

legally). This farm is inspected by the same organization that is prosecuting

Vernon Hershberger--not that they would have much choice in inspections but this

is a way of supporting the organization going after a raw dairy farmer with a

private ownership. And why are the MN farms are missing here. Where is the

local grown/raised in reality? :-) Not even raw.....Dead is dead is dead.

For me and my little farm operation it isn't about if we get raided, it is when.

I assume it will happen but I am not going to dwell on it. I simply have other

things to deal with than worry about some future even that is not yet set in

stone. And in reality, when that happens, the sun will still set that night and

rise the next morning. It won't be the end of the world, just a bump in the

road with a lot of paperwork and drama attached to it.

If you want to make this easier, try helping to change laws. Support the

various farmers at their court appearances, make signs, meet with elected people

who abuse their powers given to them. Bring your kids along too. Be more

active in the food community, give up some info about you and your family, etc.

Join a local WAPF chapter and the FTCLDF if you can as well.

And I am sorry I was not able to bring you a sample to try yesterday. I worked

the night before (my once a month off farm work day) and didn't get home until 2

AM, then had to get up at 5:30 to milk. I miscounted the amount I needed and

fed the rest back to the livestock. You were not the only one who missed their

sample.

PS: If you want to come up and purchase directly from the farm you are more

than welcome to do it, pretty much anytime. I am not overly far north of you,

just off of 47 as well. Someone will be home if I am not this week. I just

bought a herd of East Friesian sheep and have to get their pasture ready at the

other farm. LOTS of sheep milk starting in about 6 months if breedings go

smoothly!

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> > > Hello everyone. I'm looking to purchase 2 gallons of raw goat milk from a

farm that is near or has a drop off close to Ramsey. My toddlers are intolerant

to the raw cow milk. Although disappointed I am not surprised as my now 11 yr

old had the same issue at their age. He did fine on goat. We are from MI and

have few contacts here BUT this seems like the perfect place to ask for help.

From what I can tell, members are from all over. If tolerated I would continue

to purchase between 1 and 2 gals per week.

> > > Thank you in advance, Amy Boesl

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