Guest guest Posted December 22, 2006 Report Share Posted December 22, 2006 Yes, This is quite true, We must remember to read the packaging when buying cold,sinus or any other medications to see if they contain tylenol, many do. And if we are taking tylenol for aches,pains and take another medicine containing tylenol we run a risk. Love JanetNikki Cowan <nikkicowan@...> wrote: I do not know if this has been posted before, but I found it quite informative. It was on this fairly comprehensive Hep C website: http://janis7hepc.com/Symptoms.htm Warnings for all those who have Hepatitis Hepatitis Patients at Risk for Accidental Acetaminophen Toxicity By Peggy Peck, MedPage Today Staff WriterReviewed by Jasmer, MD; Assistant Professor of Medicine, University of California, San Franciscohttp://www.medpagetoday.comMay 22, 2006MedPage Today Action Points * Explain to interested patients that a number of over-the-counter and prescription drugs contain acetaminophen, which may put acute hepatitis patients at risk of acetaminophen toxicity at lower doses than previously recognized. * This study was published as an abstract and presented in a poster at a conference. These data and conclusions should be considered to be preliminary as they have not yet been reviewed and published in a peer-reviewed publication. ReviewLOS ANGELES, May 22 - Over-the-counter flu remedies such as Nyquil or Theraflu are often used for relief of the flu-like symptoms of acute hepatitis, a choice that may trigger acute liver failure because those agents contain acetaminophen. Serum samples from 72 patients with fulminant hepatitis detected evidence of acetaminophen toxicity in 12.5% of patients, said M. Lee M.D., of the University of Texas Southwester Medical Center in Dallas, who reported the findings at Digestive Disease Week sessions here today. Dr. Lee and colleagues used a high-pressure liquid chromatography with electrochemical detection to assess acetaminophen levels. They studied 10 patients with liver failure due to confirmed acetaminophen overdose as a positive control group. The average serum concentration of acetaminophen adducts was 0.45 nmol/mL versus 5.58 nmol/mL in the control group. Nonetheless, Dr. Lee said the evidence of acetaminophen adducts was "a second insult to the liver cells on top of hepatitis." Importantly, the toxicity occurred when the patients used the over-the-counter flu medicines at therapeutic doses. "None reported doses that would exceed 4 g/day," he said. That is lower than previously reported toxic doses, he said. Acetaminophen toxicity occurs in a dose-related fashion. Seven or eight grams consumed over the course of three to four days can be fatal, Dr. Lee said. An online check of ingredients in cold and flu products found acetaminophen listed as an ingredient in 26 OTC remedies, including Coricidin D, Triaminic, NyQuil, DayQuil, and Dristan as well as Midol and Pamprin. In this series, 67% of patients who had detectable acetaminophen-protein adducts in their blood died within three weeks of hospital admission versus 27% of patients who had no evidence of acetaminophen use (P=0.017). Liver toxicity is a well known side-effect of acetaminophen, he said, noting that acetaminophen overdose is a leading cause of liver failure and liver transplants "I am surprised it is still on the market," Dr. Lee said. He later qualified that statement saying that but the drug is so popular, and is sold under so many different brands-the most popular being Tylenol-that he doubts it would ever be removed from the market. That said, he noted that people with liver disease are frequently unaware that they are using acetaminophen-containing compounds, which could put them at risk for liver failure. "Vicodin and Percocet are the two most popular prescription compounds containing acetaminophen and these are often prescribed for pain relief in people with liver disease," he said. "Unbundling of both of these drugs, which might be done at some point, would be significant in terms of reducing accidental acetaminophen overdose." He said that in 2002 a FDA advisory committee recommended that labels of over-the-counter cold and flu medicines be changed so that the front label would list acetaminophen as an ingredient. "But that was in 2002 and the FDA has yet to act on that recommendation." M. Vierling, M.D., president of the American Society for the Study of Liver Diseases, a professor of medicine at Baylor in Houston, said the hallmarks of acetaminophen toxicity are "a change in mental state and alteration in clotting ability." Dr. Vierling called acetaminophen an "excellent drug" but added that Dr. Lee's study suggests the need to advise patients with chronic liver disease to avoid not only Tylenol and other acetaminophen products but also to be cautious when selecting cold and flu medicines. The patients were included in the National Institutes of Health Acute Liver Failure Study (1999-2004), a national registry of acute liver failure cases. Dr. Lee said there are roughly 2,000 cases of acute liver failure annually and about 500 of those are fatal. Primary source: Digestive Disease WeekSource reference:Lee, WM et al "Acetaminophen as a co-factor in acute liver failure due to viral hepatitis determined by measurement of acetaminophen-protein adducts" Abstract S1002. Acetaminophen as a co-factor in acute liver failure due to viral hepatitis determined by measurement of acetaminophen-protein adducts. J. Polson1; L. P. 2; T. J. Davern3; L. Hynan4; L. Rossaro5; A. M. Larson6; C. Pezzia1; W. M. Lee1 1. Division of Digestive and Liver Diseases, UT Southwestern Medical Center, Dallas, TX, USA. 2. Department of Pediatrics and Pharmacology, University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, Little Rock, AR, USA. 3. Gastroenterology, University of California at San Francisco, San Francisco, CA, USA. 4. Center for Biostatistics and Clinical Science, UT Southwestern Medical Center, Dallas, TX, USA. 5. Center for Transplant Medicine, University of California at , Sacramento, CA, USA. 6. Hepatology, University of Washington , Seattle, WA, USA. Background: Acetaminophen (APAP) use during the prodromal phase of acute viral hepatitis (AVH) is often reported and may worsen liver injury. In determining whether APAP plays a role in complicating certain cases of severe AVH, serum APAP levels are likely less reliable than a recently described serum assay for APAP adducts which remains positive up to 7 days after onset of liver damage. Methods: Sera from 72 consecutive patients with fulminant hepatitis A or B (IgM anti-HAV or anti-HBc positive) enrolled in the US ALF Study (1998-2004) were tested in blind fashion for APAP-protein adducts using high-pressure liquid chromatography with electrochemical detection (HPLC-ED). As a positive control group, 10 well-documented cases of ALF due solely to APAP overdose were included. Outcome and other clinical data were analyzed with Chi-square, Fisher's exact test, and Kruskall-Wallis rank test as appropriate. Results: 9/72 (12.5%) AVH patients had detectable APAP adducts: 5/49 (10.2%) patients with AVH B and 4/23 (17.4%) with AVH A. All 10 known APAP-induced ALF cases had positive adducts at higher levels than those in patients with a primary diagnosis of AVH-induced ALF (median level 5.58 nmol/mL vs 0.45 nmol/mL for AVH cases). The lower levels in AVH cases suggest these were not intentional APAP overdoses. The admission serum ALT and total bilirubin levels differed among the 3 groups (p<0.002), the adducts-containing group (APAP-AVH) having values intermediate between the pure AVH group and the pure APAP group (median values - ALT: AVH only: 1580; APAP-AVH: 2658; APAP: 5570 IU/L; total bilirubin: AVH: 19.8; APAP-AVH: 9.7; APAP: 5.0 mg/dL). Neither admission coma grade nor degree of coagulopathy differed significantly among the groups. 8 of 9 AVH patients with adducts reported some APAP use in the days preceding admission; none reported doses exceeding 4 grams per day. No history was obtainable from the 9th patient. 4 patients received N-acetylcysteine (NAC) because they reported APAP use; 3 were enrolled in the trial of NAC versus placebo. 67% of AVH patients with APAP adducts died within 3 weeks of study admission as compared to 27% of AVH patients without adducts (p=0.017). Conclusions: HPLC-ED detects APAP adducts in more than 10% of patients with AVH-induced ALF, implicating APAP toxicity as a cofactor during the apparent use of therapeutic doses. Combined APAP-AVH injury is associated with a poorer outcome. Warnings regarding use of APAP should be given to any patient diagnosed with AVH, particularly those of moderate or greater severity. Supported by NIH R-01 DK58369 and NIH R-03 DK067999. 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Guest guest Posted December 22, 2006 Report Share Posted December 22, 2006 Yeah actualy it has been , lol they took it off my delphi support site . Jackie and I both know this group Acetaminophen Toxicity I do not know if this has been posted before, but I found it quite informative. It was on this fairly comprehensive Hep C website: http://janis7hepc.com/Symptoms.htm Warnings for all those who have Hepatitis Hepatitis Patients at Risk for Accidental Acetaminophen Toxicity By Peggy Peck, MedPage Today Staff WriterReviewed by Jasmer, MD; Assistant Professor of Medicine, University of California, San Franciscohttp://www.medpagetoday.comMay 22, 2006MedPage Today Action Points * Explain to interested patients that a number of over-the-counter and prescription drugs contain acetaminophen, which may put acute hepatitis patients at risk of acetaminophen toxicity at lower doses than previously recognized. * This study was published as an abstract and presented in a poster at a conference. These data and conclusions should be considered to be preliminary as they have not yet been reviewed and published in a peer-reviewed publication. ReviewLOS ANGELES, May 22 - Over-the-counter flu remedies such as Nyquil or Theraflu are often used for relief of the flu-like symptoms of acute hepatitis, a choice that may trigger acute liver failure because those agents contain acetaminophen. Serum samples from 72 patients with fulminant hepatitis detected evidence of acetaminophen toxicity in 12.5% of patients, said M. Lee M.D., of the University of Texas Southwester Medical Center in Dallas, who reported the findings at Digestive Disease Week sessions here today. Dr. Lee and colleagues used a high-pressure liquid chromatography with electrochemical detection to assess acetaminophen levels. They studied 10 patients with liver failure due to confirmed acetaminophen overdose as a positive control group. The average serum concentration of acetaminophen adducts was 0.45 nmol/mL versus 5.58 nmol/mL in the control group. Nonetheless, Dr. Lee said the evidence of acetaminophen adducts was "a second insult to the liver cells on top of hepatitis." Importantly, the toxicity occurred when the patients used the over-the-counter flu medicines at therapeutic doses. "None reported doses that would exceed 4 g/day," he said. That is lower than previously reported toxic doses, he said. Acetaminophen toxicity occurs in a dose-related fashion. Seven or eight grams consumed over the course of three to four days can be fatal, Dr. Lee said. An online check of ingredients in cold and flu products found acetaminophen listed as an ingredient in 26 OTC remedies, including Coricidin D, Triaminic, NyQuil, DayQuil, and Dristan as well as Midol and Pamprin. In this series, 67% of patients who had detectable acetaminophen-protein adducts in their blood died within three weeks of hospital admission versus 27% of patients who had no evidence of acetaminophen use (P=0.017). Liver toxicity is a well known side-effect of acetaminophen, he said, noting that acetaminophen overdose is a leading cause of liver failure and liver transplants "I am surprised it is still on the market," Dr. Lee said. He later qualified that statement saying that but the drug is so popular, and is sold under so many different brands-the most popular being Tylenol-that he doubts it would ever be removed from the market. That said, he noted that people with liver disease are frequently unaware that they are using acetaminophen-containing compounds, which could put them at risk for liver failure. "Vicodin and Percocet are the two most popular prescription compounds containing acetaminophen and these are often prescribed for pain relief in people with liver disease," he said. "Unbundling of both of these drugs, which might be done at some point, would be significant in terms of reducing accidental acetaminophen overdose." He said that in 2002 a FDA advisory committee recommended that labels of over-the-counter cold and flu medicines be changed so that the front label would list acetaminophen as an ingredient. "But that was in 2002 and the FDA has yet to act on that recommendation." M. Vierling, M.D., president of the American Society for the Study of Liver Diseases, a professor of medicine at Baylor in Houston, said the hallmarks of acetaminophen toxicity are "a change in mental state and alteration in clotting ability." Dr. Vierling called acetaminophen an "excellent drug" but added that Dr. Lee's study suggests the need to advise patients with chronic liver disease to avoid not only Tylenol and other acetaminophen products but also to be cautious when selecting cold and flu medicines. The patients were included in the National Institutes of Health Acute Liver Failure Study (1999-2004), a national registry of acute liver failure cases. Dr. Lee said there are roughly 2,000 cases of acute liver failure annually and about 500 of those are fatal. Primary source: Digestive Disease WeekSource reference:Lee, WM et al "Acetaminophen as a co-factor in acute liver failure due to viral hepatitis determined by measurement of acetaminophen-protein adducts" Abstract S1002. Acetaminophen as a co-factor in acute liver failure due to viral hepatitis determined by measurement of acetaminophen-protein adducts. J. Polson1; L. P. 2; T. J. Davern3; L. Hynan4; L. Rossaro5; A. M. Larson6; C. Pezzia1; W. M. Lee1 1. Division of Digestive and Liver Diseases, UT Southwestern Medical Center, Dallas, TX, USA. 2. Department of Pediatrics and Pharmacology, University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, Little Rock, AR, USA. 3. Gastroenterology, University of California at San Francisco, San Francisco, CA, USA. 4. Center for Biostatistics and Clinical Science, UT Southwestern Medical Center, Dallas, TX, USA. 5. Center for Transplant Medicine, University of California at , Sacramento, CA, USA. 6. Hepatology, University of Washington , Seattle, WA, USA. Background: Acetaminophen (APAP) use during the prodromal phase of acute viral hepatitis (AVH) is often reported and may worsen liver injury. In determining whether APAP plays a role in complicating certain cases of severe AVH, serum APAP levels are likely less reliable than a recently described serum assay for APAP adducts which remains positive up to 7 days after onset of liver damage. Methods: Sera from 72 consecutive patients with fulminant hepatitis A or B (IgM anti-HAV or anti-HBc positive) enrolled in the US ALF Study (1998-2004) were tested in blind fashion for APAP-protein adducts using high-pressure liquid chromatography with electrochemical detection (HPLC-ED). As a positive control group, 10 well-documented cases of ALF due solely to APAP overdose were included. Outcome and other clinical data were analyzed with Chi-square, Fisher's exact test, and Kruskall-Wallis rank test as appropriate. Results: 9/72 (12.5%) AVH patients had detectable APAP adducts: 5/49 (10.2%) patients with AVH B and 4/23 (17.4%) with AVH A. All 10 known APAP-induced ALF cases had positive adducts at higher levels than those in patients with a primary diagnosis of AVH-induced ALF (median level 5.58 nmol/mL vs 0.45 nmol/mL for AVH cases). The lower levels in AVH cases suggest these were not intentional APAP overdoses. The admission serum ALT and total bilirubin levels differed among the 3 groups (p<0.002), the adducts-containing group (APAP-AVH) having values intermediate between the pure AVH group and the pure APAP group (median values - ALT: AVH only: 1580; APAP-AVH: 2658; APAP: 5570 IU/L; total bilirubin: AVH: 19.8; APAP-AVH: 9.7; APAP: 5.0 mg/dL). Neither admission coma grade nor degree of coagulopathy differed significantly among the groups. 8 of 9 AVH patients with adducts reported some APAP use in the days preceding admission; none reported doses exceeding 4 grams per day. No history was obtainable from the 9th patient. 4 patients received N-acetylcysteine (NAC) because they reported APAP use; 3 were enrolled in the trial of NAC versus placebo. 67% of AVH patients with APAP adducts died within 3 weeks of study admission as compared to 27% of AVH patients without adducts (p=0.017). Conclusions: HPLC-ED detects APAP adducts in more than 10% of patients with AVH-induced ALF, implicating APAP toxicity as a cofactor during the apparent use of therapeutic doses. Combined APAP-AVH injury is associated with a poorer outcome. Warnings regarding use of APAP should be given to any patient diagnosed with AVH, particularly those of moderate or greater severity. Supported by NIH R-01 DK58369 and NIH R-03 DK067999. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2006 Report Share Posted December 22, 2006 When I have time (ahhhh, that magical 'someday',lol) I want to go to the library and access this groups old messages and catch up more. Out here in the sticks all we can get is dial up and that is keeping me from the reading I would like to do because of the time it takes to change pages. i can barely read my mail these days because the DH requires much nursing and care time, as well as chauffering for active teenager and my mom. She just found out yesterday that she has spinal stenosis and is looking at surgery so I will have even less time. I am just grateful to Spirit these days that I now feel well enough to take care of everyone else. But I had a bad time last evening. I always have my low point of the day about 6:30 in the evening, but I didn't stop and take my break then like I usually do and the fatique and irritation totally swamped me. I had forgotten how bad it felt to be that tired and feel so mean. I would like to read your Delphi support site, Liz. May I have the address? Nikkielizabethnv1 <elizabethnv1@...> wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2006 Report Share Posted December 22, 2006 Liz,, WHY did they take it off YOUR SITE? I posted the URL to Nikki to your forum on delphi,, she asked,, lol,,, love yaelizabethnv1 <elizabethnv1@...> wrote: Yeah actualy it has been , lol they took it off my delphi support site . Jackie and I both know this group Acetaminophen Toxicity I do not know if this has been posted before, but I found it quite informative. It was on this fairly comprehensive Hep C website: http://janis7hepc.com/Symptoms.htm Warnings for all those who have Hepatitis Hepatitis Patients at Risk for Accidental Acetaminophen Toxicity By Peggy Peck, MedPage Today Staff WriterReviewed by Jasmer, MD; Assistant Professor of Medicine, University of California, San Franciscohttp://www.medpagetoday.comMay 22, 2006MedPage Today Action Points * Explain to interested patients that a number of over-the-counter and prescription drugs contain acetaminophen, which may put acute hepatitis patients at risk of acetaminophen toxicity at lower doses than previously recognized. * This study was published as an abstract and presented in a poster at a conference. These data and conclusions should be considered to be preliminary as they have not yet been reviewed and published in a peer-reviewed publication. ReviewLOS ANGELES, May 22 - Over-the-counter flu remedies such as Nyquil or Theraflu are often used for relief of the flu-like symptoms of acute hepatitis, a choice that may trigger acute liver failure because those agents contain acetaminophen. Serum samples from 72 patients with fulminant hepatitis detected evidence of acetaminophen toxicity in 12.5% of patients, said M. Lee M.D., of the University of Texas Southwester Medical Center in Dallas, who reported the findings at Digestive Disease Week sessions here today. Dr. Lee and colleagues used a high-pressure liquid chromatography with electrochemical detection to assess acetaminophen levels. They studied 10 patients with liver failure due to confirmed acetaminophen overdose as a positive control group. The average serum concentration of acetaminophen adducts was 0.45 nmol/mL versus 5.58 nmol/mL in the control group. Nonetheless, Dr. Lee said the evidence of acetaminophen adducts was "a second insult to the liver cells on top of hepatitis." Importantly, the toxicity occurred when the patients used the over-the-counter flu medicines at therapeutic doses. "None reported doses that would exceed 4 g/day," he said. That is lower than previously reported toxic doses, he said. Acetaminophen toxicity occurs in a dose-related fashion. Seven or eight grams consumed over the course of three to four days can be fatal, Dr. Lee said. An online check of ingredients in cold and flu products found acetaminophen listed as an ingredient in 26 OTC remedies, including Coricidin D, Triaminic, NyQuil, DayQuil, and Dristan as well as Midol and Pamprin. In this series, 67% of patients who had detectable acetaminophen-protein adducts in their blood died within three weeks of hospital admission versus 27% of patients who had no evidence of acetaminophen use (P=0.017). Liver toxicity is a well known side-effect of acetaminophen, he said, noting that acetaminophen overdose is a leading cause of liver failure and liver transplants "I am surprised it is still on the market," Dr. Lee said. He later qualified that statement saying that but the drug is so popular, and is sold under so many different brands-the most popular being Tylenol-that he doubts it would ever be removed from the market. That said, he noted that people with liver disease are frequently unaware that they are using acetaminophen-containing compounds, which could put them at risk for liver failure. "Vicodin and Percocet are the two most popular prescription compounds containing acetaminophen and these are often prescribed for pain relief in people with liver disease," he said. "Unbundling of both of these drugs, which might be done at some point, would be significant in terms of reducing accidental acetaminophen overdose." He said that in 2002 a FDA advisory committee recommended that labels of over-the-counter cold and flu medicines be changed so that the front label would list acetaminophen as an ingredient. "But that was in 2002 and the FDA has yet to act on that recommendation." M. Vierling, M.D., president of the American Society for the Study of Liver Diseases, a professor of medicine at Baylor in Houston, said the hallmarks of acetaminophen toxicity are "a change in mental state and alteration in clotting ability." Dr. Vierling called acetaminophen an "excellent drug" but added that Dr. Lee's study suggests the need to advise patients with chronic liver disease to avoid not only Tylenol and other acetaminophen products but also to be cautious when selecting cold and flu medicines. The patients were included in the National Institutes of Health Acute Liver Failure Study (1999-2004), a national registry of acute liver failure cases. Dr. Lee said there are roughly 2,000 cases of acute liver failure annually and about 500 of those are fatal. Primary source: Digestive Disease WeekSource reference:Lee, WM et al "Acetaminophen as a co-factor in acute liver failure due to viral hepatitis determined by measurement of acetaminophen-protein adducts" Abstract S1002. Acetaminophen as a co-factor in acute liver failure due to viral hepatitis determined by measurement of acetaminophen-protein adducts. J. Polson1; L. P. 2; T. J. Davern3; L. Hynan4; L. Rossaro5; A. M. Larson6; C. Pezzia1; W. M. Lee1 1. Division of Digestive and Liver Diseases, UT Southwestern Medical Center, Dallas, TX, USA. 2. Department of Pediatrics and Pharmacology, University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, Little Rock, AR, USA. 3. Gastroenterology, University of California at San Francisco, San Francisco, CA, USA. 4. Center for Biostatistics and Clinical Science, UT Southwestern Medical Center, Dallas, TX, USA. 5. Center for Transplant Medicine, University of California at , Sacramento, CA, USA. 6. Hepatology, University of Washington , Seattle, WA, USA. Background: Acetaminophen (APAP) use during the prodromal phase of acute viral hepatitis (AVH) is often reported and may worsen liver injury. In determining whether APAP plays a role in complicating certain cases of severe AVH, serum APAP levels are likely less reliable than a recently described serum assay for APAP adducts which remains positive up to 7 days after onset of liver damage. Methods: Sera from 72 consecutive patients with fulminant hepatitis A or B (IgM anti-HAV or anti-HBc positive) enrolled in the US ALF Study (1998-2004) were tested in blind fashion for APAP-protein adducts using high-pressure liquid chromatography with electrochemical detection (HPLC-ED). As a positive control group, 10 well-documented cases of ALF due solely to APAP overdose were included. Outcome and other clinical data were analyzed with Chi-square, Fisher's exact test, and Kruskall-Wallis rank test as appropriate. Results: 9/72 (12.5%) AVH patients had detectable APAP adducts: 5/49 (10.2%) patients with AVH B and 4/23 (17.4%) with AVH A. All 10 known APAP-induced ALF cases had positive adducts at higher levels than those in patients with a primary diagnosis of AVH-induced ALF (median level 5.58 nmol/mL vs 0.45 nmol/mL for AVH cases). The lower levels in AVH cases suggest these were not intentional APAP overdoses. The admission serum ALT and total bilirubin levels differed among the 3 groups (p<0.002), the adducts-containing group (APAP-AVH) having values intermediate between the pure AVH group and the pure APAP group (median values - ALT: AVH only: 1580; APAP-AVH: 2658; APAP: 5570 IU/L; total bilirubin: AVH: 19.8; APAP-AVH: 9.7; APAP: 5.0 mg/dL). Neither admission coma grade nor degree of coagulopathy differed significantly among the groups. 8 of 9 AVH patients with adducts reported some APAP use in the days preceding admission; none reported doses exceeding 4 grams per day. No history was obtainable from the 9th patient. 4 patients received N-acetylcysteine (NAC) because they reported APAP use; 3 were enrolled in the trial of NAC versus placebo. 67% of AVH patients with APAP adducts died within 3 weeks of study admission as compared to 27% of AVH patients without adducts (p=0.017). Conclusions: HPLC-ED detects APAP adducts in more than 10% of patients with AVH-induced ALF, implicating APAP toxicity as a cofactor during the apparent use of therapeutic doses. Combined APAP-AVH injury is associated with a poorer outcome. Warnings regarding use of APAP should be given to any patient diagnosed with AVH, particularly those of moderate or greater severity. Supported by NIH R-01 DK58369 and NIH R-03 DK067999. 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Guest guest Posted December 22, 2006 Report Share Posted December 22, 2006 When we first opened our room allot of the trouble makers from Janis and friends started coming in and then someone told me they were reposting my research at their forum . Shoot I just blew it off , if my stuff is that good then I think of it as a compliment lol Miles still comes in and I know that he is getting my research , I have no problem with it anymore hehe . The stuff from UC San Francisco is stuff I get from my hepatogist , he is on the research team there lol Acetaminophen Toxicity I do not know if this has been posted before, but I found it quite informative. It was on this fairly comprehensive Hep C website: http://janis7hepc.com/Symptoms.htm Warnings for all those who have Hepatitis Hepatitis Patients at Risk for Accidental Acetaminophen Toxicity By Peggy Peck, MedPage Today Staff WriterReviewed by Jasmer, MD; Assistant Professor of Medicine, University of California, San Franciscohttp://www.medpagetoday.comMay 22, 2006MedPage Today Action Points * Explain to interested patients that a number of over-the-counter and prescription drugs contain acetaminophen, which may put acute hepatitis patients at risk of acetaminophen toxicity at lower doses than previously recognized. * This study was published as an abstract and presented in a poster at a conference. These data and conclusions should be considered to be preliminary as they have not yet been reviewed and published in a peer-reviewed publication. ReviewLOS ANGELES, May 22 - Over-the-counter flu remedies such as Nyquil or Theraflu are often used for relief of the flu-like symptoms of acute hepatitis, a choice that may trigger acute liver failure because those agents contain acetaminophen. Serum samples from 72 patients with fulminant hepatitis detected evidence of acetaminophen toxicity in 12.5% of patients, said M. Lee M.D., of the University of Texas Southwester Medical Center in Dallas, who reported the findings at Digestive Disease Week sessions here today. Dr. Lee and colleagues used a high-pressure liquid chromatography with electrochemical detection to assess acetaminophen levels. They studied 10 patients with liver failure due to confirmed acetaminophen overdose as a positive control group. The average serum concentration of acetaminophen adducts was 0.45 nmol/mL versus 5.58 nmol/mL in the control group. Nonetheless, Dr. Lee said the evidence of acetaminophen adducts was "a second insult to the liver cells on top of hepatitis." Importantly, the toxicity occurred when the patients used the over-the-counter flu medicines at therapeutic doses. "None reported doses that would exceed 4 g/day," he said. That is lower than previously reported toxic doses, he said. Acetaminophen toxicity occurs in a dose-related fashion. Seven or eight grams consumed over the course of three to four days can be fatal, Dr. Lee said. An online check of ingredients in cold and flu products found acetaminophen listed as an ingredient in 26 OTC remedies, including Coricidin D, Triaminic, NyQuil, DayQuil, and Dristan as well as Midol and Pamprin. In this series, 67% of patients who had detectable acetaminophen-protein adducts in their blood died within three weeks of hospital admission versus 27% of patients who had no evidence of acetaminophen use (P=0.017). Liver toxicity is a well known side-effect of acetaminophen, he said, noting that acetaminophen overdose is a leading cause of liver failure and liver transplants "I am surprised it is still on the market," Dr. Lee said. He later qualified that statement saying that but the drug is so popular, and is sold under so many different brands-the most popular being Tylenol-that he doubts it would ever be removed from the market. That said, he noted that people with liver disease are frequently unaware that they are using acetaminophen-containing compounds, which could put them at risk for liver failure. "Vicodin and Percocet are the two most popular prescription compounds containing acetaminophen and these are often prescribed for pain relief in people with liver disease," he said. "Unbundling of both of these drugs, which might be done at some point, would be significant in terms of reducing accidental acetaminophen overdose." He said that in 2002 a FDA advisory committee recommended that labels of over-the-counter cold and flu medicines be changed so that the front label would list acetaminophen as an ingredient. "But that was in 2002 and the FDA has yet to act on that recommendation." M. Vierling, M.D., president of the American Society for the Study of Liver Diseases, a professor of medicine at Baylor in Houston, said the hallmarks of acetaminophen toxicity are "a change in mental state and alteration in clotting ability." Dr. Vierling called acetaminophen an "excellent drug" but added that Dr. Lee's study suggests the need to advise patients with chronic liver disease to avoid not only Tylenol and other acetaminophen products but also to be cautious when selecting cold and flu medicines. The patients were included in the National Institutes of Health Acute Liver Failure Study (1999-2004), a national registry of acute liver failure cases. Dr. Lee said there are roughly 2,000 cases of acute liver failure annually and about 500 of those are fatal. Primary source: Digestive Disease WeekSource reference:Lee, WM et al "Acetaminophen as a co-factor in acute liver failure due to viral hepatitis determined by measurement of acetaminophen-protein adducts" Abstract S1002. Acetaminophen as a co-factor in acute liver failure due to viral hepatitis determined by measurement of acetaminophen-protein adducts. J. Polson1; L. P. 2; T. J. Davern3; L. Hynan4; L. Rossaro5; A. M. Larson6; C. Pezzia1; W. M. Lee1 1. Division of Digestive and Liver Diseases, UT Southwestern Medical Center, Dallas, TX, USA. 2. Department of Pediatrics and Pharmacology, University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, Little Rock, AR, USA. 3. Gastroenterology, University of California at San Francisco, San Francisco, CA, USA. 4. Center for Biostatistics and Clinical Science, UT Southwestern Medical Center, Dallas, TX, USA. 5. Center for Transplant Medicine, University of California at , Sacramento, CA, USA. 6. Hepatology, University of Washington , Seattle, WA, USA. Background: Acetaminophen (APAP) use during the prodromal phase of acute viral hepatitis (AVH) is often reported and may worsen liver injury. In determining whether APAP plays a role in complicating certain cases of severe AVH, serum APAP levels are likely less reliable than a recently described serum assay for APAP adducts which remains positive up to 7 days after onset of liver damage. Methods: Sera from 72 consecutive patients with fulminant hepatitis A or B (IgM anti-HAV or anti-HBc positive) enrolled in the US ALF Study (1998-2004) were tested in blind fashion for APAP-protein adducts using high-pressure liquid chromatography with electrochemical detection (HPLC-ED). As a positive control group, 10 well-documented cases of ALF due solely to APAP overdose were included. Outcome and other clinical data were analyzed with Chi-square, Fisher's exact test, and Kruskall-Wallis rank test as appropriate. Results: 9/72 (12.5%) AVH patients had detectable APAP adducts: 5/49 (10.2%) patients with AVH B and 4/23 (17.4%) with AVH A. All 10 known APAP-induced ALF cases had positive adducts at higher levels than those in patients with a primary diagnosis of AVH-induced ALF (median level 5.58 nmol/mL vs 0.45 nmol/mL for AVH cases). The lower levels in AVH cases suggest these were not intentional APAP overdoses. The admission serum ALT and total bilirubin levels differed among the 3 groups (p<0.002), the adducts-containing group (APAP-AVH) having values intermediate between the pure AVH group and the pure APAP group (median values - ALT: AVH only: 1580; APAP-AVH: 2658; APAP: 5570 IU/L; total bilirubin: AVH: 19.8; APAP-AVH: 9.7; APAP: 5.0 mg/dL). Neither admission coma grade nor degree of coagulopathy differed significantly among the groups. 8 of 9 AVH patients with adducts reported some APAP use in the days preceding admission; none reported doses exceeding 4 grams per day. No history was obtainable from the 9th patient. 4 patients received N-acetylcysteine (NAC) because they reported APAP use; 3 were enrolled in the trial of NAC versus placebo. 67% of AVH patients with APAP adducts died within 3 weeks of study admission as compared to 27% of AVH patients without adducts (p=0.017). Conclusions: HPLC-ED detects APAP adducts in more than 10% of patients with AVH-induced ALF, implicating APAP toxicity as a cofactor during the apparent use of therapeutic doses. Combined APAP-AVH injury is associated with a poorer outcome. Warnings regarding use of APAP should be given to any patient diagnosed with AVH, particularly those of moderate or greater severity. Supported by NIH R-01 DK58369 and NIH R-03 DK067999. 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Guest guest Posted December 22, 2006 Report Share Posted December 22, 2006 Of course you can become a member it is free . Here is the link http://forums.delphiforums.com/hephelp/start Re: Acetaminophen Toxicity When I have time (ahhhh, that magical 'someday',lol) I want to go to the library and access this groups old messages and catch up more. Out here in the sticks all we can get is dial up and that is keeping me from the reading I would like to do because of the time it takes to change pages. i can barely read my mail these days because the DH requires much nursing and care time, as well as chauffering for active teenager and my mom. She just found out yesterday that she has spinal stenosis and is looking at surgery so I will have even less time. I am just grateful to Spirit these days that I now feel well enough to take care of everyone else. But I had a bad time last evening. I always have my low point of the day about 6:30 in the evening, but I didn't stop and take my break then like I usually do and the fatique and irritation totally swamped me. I had forgotten how bad it felt to be that tired and feel so mean. I would like to read your Delphi support site, Liz. May I have the address? Nikkielizabethnv1 <elizabethnv1earthlink (DOT) net> wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2006 Report Share Posted December 22, 2006 Oh ok,, I misunderstood, I thought like maybe TOS removed your article and I just couldnt understand why they would do that! lol,, well the trouble makers are still around over there too,, but the more we ignore them, the more they go away! lol,, love ya Liz!elizabethnv1 <elizabethnv1@...> wrote: When we first opened our room allot of the trouble makers from Janis and friends started coming in and then someone told me they were reposting my research at their forum .. Shoot I just blew it off , if my stuff is that good then I think of it as a compliment lol Miles still comes in and I know that he is getting my research , I have no problem with it anymore hehe . The stuff from UC San Francisco is stuff I get from my hepatogist , he is on the research team there lol Acetaminophen Toxicity I do not know if this has been posted before, but I found it quite informative. It was on this fairly comprehensive Hep C website: http://janis7hepc.com/Symptoms.htm Warnings for all those who have Hepatitis Hepatitis Patients at Risk for Accidental Acetaminophen Toxicity By Peggy Peck, MedPage Today Staff WriterReviewed by Jasmer, MD; Assistant Professor of Medicine, University of California, San Franciscohttp://www.medpagetoday.comMay 22, 2006MedPage Today Action Points * Explain to interested patients that a number of over-the-counter and prescription drugs contain acetaminophen, which may put acute hepatitis patients at risk of acetaminophen toxicity at lower doses than previously recognized. * This study was published as an abstract and presented in a poster at a conference. These data and conclusions should be considered to be preliminary as they have not yet been reviewed and published in a peer-reviewed publication. ReviewLOS ANGELES, May 22 - Over-the-counter flu remedies such as Nyquil or Theraflu are often used for relief of the flu-like symptoms of acute hepatitis, a choice that may trigger acute liver failure because those agents contain acetaminophen. Serum samples from 72 patients with fulminant hepatitis detected evidence of acetaminophen toxicity in 12.5% of patients, said M. Lee M.D., of the University of Texas Southwester Medical Center in Dallas, who reported the findings at Digestive Disease Week sessions here today. Dr. Lee and colleagues used a high-pressure liquid chromatography with electrochemical detection to assess acetaminophen levels. They studied 10 patients with liver failure due to confirmed acetaminophen overdose as a positive control group. The average serum concentration of acetaminophen adducts was 0.45 nmol/mL versus 5.58 nmol/mL in the control group. Nonetheless, Dr. Lee said the evidence of acetaminophen adducts was "a second insult to the liver cells on top of hepatitis." Importantly, the toxicity occurred when the patients used the over-the-counter flu medicines at therapeutic doses. "None reported doses that would exceed 4 g/day," he said. That is lower than previously reported toxic doses, he said. Acetaminophen toxicity occurs in a dose-related fashion. Seven or eight grams consumed over the course of three to four days can be fatal, Dr. Lee said. An online check of ingredients in cold and flu products found acetaminophen listed as an ingredient in 26 OTC remedies, including Coricidin D, Triaminic, NyQuil, DayQuil, and Dristan as well as Midol and Pamprin. In this series, 67% of patients who had detectable acetaminophen-protein adducts in their blood died within three weeks of hospital admission versus 27% of patients who had no evidence of acetaminophen use (P=0.017). Liver toxicity is a well known side-effect of acetaminophen, he said, noting that acetaminophen overdose is a leading cause of liver failure and liver transplants "I am surprised it is still on the market," Dr. Lee said. He later qualified that statement saying that but the drug is so popular, and is sold under so many different brands-the most popular being Tylenol-that he doubts it would ever be removed from the market. That said, he noted that people with liver disease are frequently unaware that they are using acetaminophen-containing compounds, which could put them at risk for liver failure. "Vicodin and Percocet are the two most popular prescription compounds containing acetaminophen and these are often prescribed for pain relief in people with liver disease," he said. "Unbundling of both of these drugs, which might be done at some point, would be significant in terms of reducing accidental acetaminophen overdose." He said that in 2002 a FDA advisory committee recommended that labels of over-the-counter cold and flu medicines be changed so that the front label would list acetaminophen as an ingredient. "But that was in 2002 and the FDA has yet to act on that recommendation." M. Vierling, M.D., president of the American Society for the Study of Liver Diseases, a professor of medicine at Baylor in Houston, said the hallmarks of acetaminophen toxicity are "a change in mental state and alteration in clotting ability." Dr. Vierling called acetaminophen an "excellent drug" but added that Dr. Lee's study suggests the need to advise patients with chronic liver disease to avoid not only Tylenol and other acetaminophen products but also to be cautious when selecting cold and flu medicines. The patients were included in the National Institutes of Health Acute Liver Failure Study (1999-2004), a national registry of acute liver failure cases. Dr. Lee said there are roughly 2,000 cases of acute liver failure annually and about 500 of those are fatal. Primary source: Digestive Disease WeekSource reference:Lee, WM et al "Acetaminophen as a co-factor in acute liver failure due to viral hepatitis determined by measurement of acetaminophen-protein adducts" Abstract S1002. Acetaminophen as a co-factor in acute liver failure due to viral hepatitis determined by measurement of acetaminophen-protein adducts. J. Polson1; L. P. 2; T. J. Davern3; L. Hynan4; L. Rossaro5; A. M. Larson6; C. Pezzia1; W. M. Lee1 1. Division of Digestive and Liver Diseases, UT Southwestern Medical Center, Dallas, TX, USA. 2. Department of Pediatrics and Pharmacology, University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, Little Rock, AR, USA. 3. Gastroenterology, University of California at San Francisco, San Francisco, CA, USA. 4. Center for Biostatistics and Clinical Science, UT Southwestern Medical Center, Dallas, TX, USA. 5. Center for Transplant Medicine, University of California at , Sacramento, CA, USA. 6. Hepatology, University of Washington , Seattle, WA, USA. Background: Acetaminophen (APAP) use during the prodromal phase of acute viral hepatitis (AVH) is often reported and may worsen liver injury. In determining whether APAP plays a role in complicating certain cases of severe AVH, serum APAP levels are likely less reliable than a recently described serum assay for APAP adducts which remains positive up to 7 days after onset of liver damage. Methods: Sera from 72 consecutive patients with fulminant hepatitis A or B (IgM anti-HAV or anti-HBc positive) enrolled in the US ALF Study (1998-2004) were tested in blind fashion for APAP-protein adducts using high-pressure liquid chromatography with electrochemical detection (HPLC-ED). As a positive control group, 10 well-documented cases of ALF due solely to APAP overdose were included. Outcome and other clinical data were analyzed with Chi-square, Fisher's exact test, and Kruskall-Wallis rank test as appropriate. Results: 9/72 (12.5%) AVH patients had detectable APAP adducts: 5/49 (10.2%) patients with AVH B and 4/23 (17.4%) with AVH A. All 10 known APAP-induced ALF cases had positive adducts at higher levels than those in patients with a primary diagnosis of AVH-induced ALF (median level 5.58 nmol/mL vs 0.45 nmol/mL for AVH cases). The lower levels in AVH cases suggest these were not intentional APAP overdoses. The admission serum ALT and total bilirubin levels differed among the 3 groups (p<0.002), the adducts-containing group (APAP-AVH) having values intermediate between the pure AVH group and the pure APAP group (median values - ALT: AVH only: 1580; APAP-AVH: 2658; APAP: 5570 IU/L; total bilirubin: AVH: 19.8; APAP-AVH: 9.7; APAP: 5.0 mg/dL). Neither admission coma grade nor degree of coagulopathy differed significantly among the groups. 8 of 9 AVH patients with adducts reported some APAP use in the days preceding admission; none reported doses exceeding 4 grams per day. No history was obtainable from the 9th patient. 4 patients received N-acetylcysteine (NAC) because they reported APAP use; 3 were enrolled in the trial of NAC versus placebo. 67% of AVH patients with APAP adducts died within 3 weeks of study admission as compared to 27% of AVH patients without adducts (p=0.017). Conclusions: HPLC-ED detects APAP adducts in more than 10% of patients with AVH-induced ALF, implicating APAP toxicity as a cofactor during the apparent use of therapeutic doses. Combined APAP-AVH injury is associated with a poorer outcome. Warnings regarding use of APAP should be given to any patient diagnosed with AVH, particularly those of moderate or greater severity. Supported by NIH R-01 DK58369 and NIH R-03 DK067999. 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