Re: Autism is a disability, saying otherwise is false

[Guest guest]

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> Peoples self-prides might as well end up ruining others lives,

> to those with autism for real have troubles in life, there are

> quality ofl ife issues.

You sound exactly like the ABA-pushers in their quest

against Dawson and her supporters.

> It is called autistic disorder and asperger's syndrome.

> It effects employment and social interactions.

I know DSM....

> The fakers need to stop ruining the image of the real

> reality experienced by those with autism.

Fakers? So who exactly are the fakers?

Leif

[Guest guest]

The ones like you who manipulate other people point of views in there truths for your ego and autism.You and others like you are the biggest frued and group to group psychosis besides terrorist. Your so anti-establishment and ignorant of the truth of the real disabilities you will in spite of everyone else make believe and pretend about the truth of the seriousness.Your agenda and A.F.F's is dangerious.Leif Ekblad <leif@...> wrote: : > Peoples self-prides might as well end up ruining others lives, > to those with autism for real have troubles in life, there are > quality ofl ife issues. You sound exactly like the ABA-pushers in their quest against Dawson and her supporters. > It is called autistic disorder and asperger's syndrome. > It

effects employment and social interactions. I know DSM.... > The fakers need to stop ruining the image of the real > reality experienced by those with autism. Fakers? So who exactly are the fakers? Leif New Songhttp://www.aspergershosting.com/audio/Onwah.wma

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I disagree . You don't - and nobody does - own the truth.

Lida

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The ones like you who manipulate other people point of views in there truths for your ego and autism.You and others like you are the biggest frued and group to group psychosis besides terrorist. Your so anti-establishment and ignorant of the truth of the real disabilities you will in spite of everyone else make believe and pretend about the truth of the seriousness.Your agenda and A.F.F's is dangerious.Leif Ekblad <leif@...> wrote:

:> Peoples self-prides might as well end up ruining others lives,> to those with autism for real have troubles in life, there are> quality ofl ife issues.You sound exactly like the ABA-pushers in their questagainst Dawson and her supporters.> It is called autistic disorder and asperger's syndrome.> It effects employment and social interactions.I know DSM....> The fakers need to stop ruining the image of the real> reality experienced by those with autism. Fakers? So who exactly are the fakers?LeifNew Songhttp://www.aspergershosting.com/audio/Onwah.wma

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[Guest guest]

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> The ones like you who manipulate other people point

> of views in there truths for your ego and autism.

So, you mean you don't also manipulate people's

point of view? ;-)

> You and others like you are the biggest frued and group

> to group psychosis besides terrorist. Your so anti-establishment

> and ignorant of the truth of the real disabilities you will in spite

> of everyone else make believe and pretend about the truth of the

seriousness.

I cannot possibly be more ignorant of this than anybody else

here. I'm very aware of the reasoning of ABA-supporters.

They claim that " high-functioning autistics " are not really

autistic, and thus cannot speak for " low-functioning autistics " .

Everything boils done to NTs owing the truth about who

these autistics are and who should speak for them. Looks

fairly similar to when states, using psychodynamic theories

on autism, claim to know the truth and needs of these

children better than their parents.

> Your agenda and A.F.F's is dangerious.

Yes, my agenda is dangerous to NTs claiming

to know the truth about autistics, governments

claiming to know the truth about all children and

not the least, professionals living and breathing

from the current disorder view of autistics.

Leif

[Guest guest]

No I do not manipulate people people like you hide the truth.

Autism is a disability, accept it..

your anti-establishment and it's clear, no matter how smart your words

make you feel, your doing more harm then any good.

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> :

> > The ones like you who manipulate other people point

> > of views in there truths for your ego and autism.

>

> So, you mean you don't also manipulate people's

> point of view? ;-)

>

> > You and others like you are the biggest frued and group

> > to group psychosis besides terrorist. Your so anti-establishment

> > and ignorant of the truth of the real disabilities you will in spite

> > of everyone else make believe and pretend about the truth of the

> seriousness.

>

> I cannot possibly be more ignorant of this than anybody else

> here. I'm very aware of the reasoning of ABA-supporters.

> They claim that " high-functioning autistics " are not really

> autistic, and thus cannot speak for " low-functioning autistics " .

> Everything boils done to NTs owing the truth about who

> these autistics are and who should speak for them. Looks

> fairly similar to when states, using psychodynamic theories

> on autism, claim to know the truth and needs of these

> children better than their parents.

>

> > Your agenda and A.F.F's is dangerious.

>

> Yes, my agenda is dangerous to NTs claiming

> to know the truth about autistics, governments

> claiming to know the truth about all children and

> not the least, professionals living and breathing

> from the current disorder view of autistics.

>

> Leif

>

[Guest guest]

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> No I do not manipulate people people like you hide the truth.

" The truth is in the beholder " .

> Autism is a disability, accept it..

No, I won't accept anything like that. Many of the comorbidities

to autism are disabilities, and some are treatable. The biggest

problem is that lots of money are spent on eradication autism

that should be spent on researching comorbidities and screening

programs for autistics on certain comorbidities. In some cases,

like iron, this is not done because it is politicially incorrect to

assume autism is correlated with an Caucasian disease.

> your anti-establishment and it's clear, no matter how smart your words

> make you feel, your doing more harm then any good.

Yeah, I'm sure it would make a lot of harm if all autistics were

screened for Hemochromatosis instead of this money spent

on eugenics and attempts for prenatal tests that would

lead to genocide.

Leif

[Guest guest]

Autism is a disability. You lack qualifications and like A.F.F simply

distructive and ignorant.

Aspergian Pride is the same way, ignorant of the truth and

anti-establishment.

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> :

> > No I do not manipulate people people like you hide the truth.

>

> " The truth is in the beholder " .

>

> > Autism is a disability, accept it..

>

> No, I won't accept anything like that. Many of the comorbidities

> to autism are disabilities, and some are treatable. The biggest

> problem is that lots of money are spent on eradication autism

> that should be spent on researching comorbidities and screening

> programs for autistics on certain comorbidities. In some cases,

> like iron, this is not done because it is politicially incorrect to

> assume autism is correlated with an Caucasian disease.

>

> > your anti-establishment and it's clear, no matter how smart your words

> > make you feel, your doing more harm then any good.

>

> Yeah, I'm sure it would make a lot of harm if all autistics were

> screened for Hemochromatosis instead of this money spent

> on eugenics and attempts for prenatal tests that would

> lead to genocide.

>

> Leif

>

[Guest guest]

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> You lack qualifications

No, I do not lack qualifications. In fact, I

have all the qualifications that these parent

groups have when they screem out loud

about vaccines and ABA.

Additionally, I have the qualification of

being autistic myself, and having an

daughter with a *formal diagnosis*

of autism.

Before you also wrote I lacked

qualifications in statistics, which

is also not true. Part of my MSc

included statistics, so I am formally

qualified in the area of statistics. The

part I didn't know about before I

started Aspie-quiz evaluations, I've

learned from others in the process.

Leif

[Guest guest]

Leif your writtings are down right insulting, go live your fantacy

species stuff in your head only.

Man walk on two legs, that is human, duh! We all breath, eat, poop,

pee and desire, the concpetology of generalizations as a methodology

of compartmentalized psycho social segragations is illogical. No N.T,

no aspie, some are insulted by being called a label as a reference.

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> :

> > You lack qualifications

>

> No, I do not lack qualifications. In fact, I

> have all the qualifications that these parent

> groups have when they screem out loud

> about vaccines and ABA.

>

> Additionally, I have the qualification of

> being autistic myself, and having an

> daughter with a *formal diagnosis*

> of autism.

>

> Before you also wrote I lacked

> qualifications in statistics, which

> is also not true. Part of my MSc

> included statistics, so I am formally

> qualified in the area of statistics. The

> part I didn't know about before I

> started Aspie-quiz evaluations, I've

> learned from others in the process.

>

> Leif

>

[Guest guest]

One of the problems with calling it a Disability is that everything

we do or say or any idea we have or any thought we have will be put

through a Disability Filter in non-Autistics/Aspergers. They'll look

at the point of origin as coming from someone with a mental

disability, someone who is messed up and therefore is not equal to

them and everything about us will be suspect, will not be respected

or listened to other than for techinical, musical, artistic or other

intellectual skills. I think that's where all the frustration and

problems come in and Autistics and Aspergers then want to look at the

positive aspects. Ideally, it would be nice if the social and other

problems could be looked at as difficulties we have and dealt with

and understood by a caring community but realistically we will be

looked at as less-than. As someone who can get along fairly well in

society, the second I let someone know I'm Aspergers (VERY rarely)

everything changes and the respect is gone. If no one knows than they

see a real person, , who is an individual. One woman who knows

is still respectful of me and likes me but I can feel her watching me

closely, observing, looking for differences and oddities and I feel

more pressure than normal to not look different or at least to show

her ME, a human being. The general public cannot handle any

differences of a mental kind and the parameters for what is normal

and therefore acceptable is VERY narrow for most of them as

individuals and MORE SO as groups or organizations.

I think that because the general public is not an ideal arena that we

can trust, we need to be careful in how we present ourselves and even

if the view that we are brain-damaged was 100% true, it would be

detrimental to present it that way.

>

> Peoples self-prides might as well end up ruining others lives, to

those with autism for real have troubles in life, there are quality

ofl ife issues. It is called autistic disorder and asperger's

syndrome. It effects employment and social interactions.

>

> The fakers need to stop ruining the image of the real reality

experienced by those with autism. So it is seen for what it is for

real, a disability. More funding for programs in real life for

quality of life with the truth.

>

> Those that disagree and want to make autism something it is not,

like a wonderfull gift and an ability other then to a child who

should feel good about him or herself. Should know what you might end

up doing, hidding the reality of people with severe disabilities they

will have the rest of there lives.

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