Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 In a message dated 5/27/2006 11:03:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, drumthis2001@... writes: Actually, I wouldn't be too sure about that. There's a kid in my old town whose mother has Tubercolosis and I live in America. She is a registered nurse and doesn't live in poverty. It is a rare disease however, that doesn't mean it's restricted to certain groups of people. There is also no justification for it to exist in poverized nations and I wouldn't be happy to point out such a sad fact and then have an attitude of "if it doesn't affect me, then I just don't care". Many diseases may start out amongst the poor but it won't stay that way. One thing missing from the current debate on illegal immigration is that they are also bringing some diseases that the US has either never seen or had wiped out. These include things like Dengay (sp) Fever, TB and others. One thing that really concerns me is the way they treat the people with TB, even the drug resistant types. I watched a program on this and they had the people come in for treatment and monitoring at hospitals. Those people came in off the streets just like everyone else. The doctors and staff had special rooms to test them in and the staff wore special masks, gloves, the works and even had them do their coughing and such in a sealed cubicle. After the tests, they were given medicine and sent right back out onto the streets again with no precautions. That was really scary that the doctors would protect themselves but then put this infectious person back out on the street. Even 50 years ago they put people that dangerous in sanitariums where they could live comfortably, get treatment but also were kept away from the rest of society so as not to spread the infection. Time may come that we will have to face that choice again, though I think with political correctness what it is that it would be impossible to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 ravenmagic2003 wrote: > Are you so sure, Ace? Is that why they have a major facility for TB > in Regina, Saskatchewan where TB affects quite a few Aboriginals .... > because its almost non-existent in North America? You may want to > check your facts again. Here is the leading quote from the first site I found when I searched for TB Saskatchewan. " TB is the best marker of poverty " . It appears the TB is a disease of poverty. Those who choose to live in poverty and people who move here from impoverished nations. I think I am quite safe. Ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 Actually, I wouldn't be too sure about that. There's a kid in my old town whose mother has Tubercolosis and I live in America. She is a registered nurse and doesn't live in poverty. It is a rare disease however, that doesn't mean it's restricted to certain groups of people. There is also no justification for it to exist in poverized nations and I wouldn't be happy to point out such a sad fact and then have an attitude of "if it doesn't affect me, then I just don't care". acsnag@... wrote: ravenmagic2003 wrote:> Are you so sure, Ace? Is that why they have a major facility for TB> in Regina, Saskatchewan where TB affects quite a few Aboriginals ....> because its almost non-existent in North America? You may want to> check your facts again.Here is the leading quote from the first site I found when I searched for TB Saskatchewan. "TB is the best marker of poverty". It appears the TB is a disease of poverty. Those who choose to live in poverty and people who move here from impoverished nations.I think I am quite safe.Ace Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 nick wrote: > I wouldn't be happy to point out such a sad fact and then have an > attitude of " if it doesn't affect me, then I just don't care " . It's not, " I just don't care " . It's if it will not affect me anyway then I an not going to worry about contracting it. Washing my hands will have no affect if I am not going to contract anything anyway. Ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 In a message dated 5/27/2006 3:45:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, julie.stevenson16@... writes: Wait a minute is there a money issue here? To put people in homes costs money and running them etc. Heard the term 'care in the community'? strange thing is there seems to be little care - ideally and maybe on paper and with spin it sounds good, in reality often not so good :-( What I meant by that comment was that there are infectious diseases out there that are becoming resistant to our most powerful medicines. If it comes to a choice of leaving those people free in the streets to infect others or to put them away, then the choice would have to be to put them away, just as used to be done with thyphoid and TB carriers. As for the cost issue, yes it would be expensive to house and care for them, but the societal costs of leaving them loose would be even higher. If they were left out, then they could spread the infections to more people, which would not only increase monetary costs but also the costs of suffering to more people and their families. I think "care" is a misleading here. The care the people would get would be to make them comfortable and seen to, but that does not mean that society at large has to "care" about them beyond that. That care should be focussed more on one's own family and circle. That does not mean the inmates would have to be abused or mistreated, not at all. They would just be kept seperate for the good of society because of the disease they carry. We are also close to this point as far as STD's go as well. AIDS is still on the rise, but is a relatively minor concern numberswise. Of greater threat are things like Syphillus and herpes which are staging a major comeback, especially amongst the young. I really hate seeing those Valtrex (a drug the suppresses Herpes outbreaks) commercials because You can bet many of those people are still out there fooling around when they are infectious but don't show it. Add to that that new research shows that most people who catch herpes caught it from partners with no visible sign of infection. There are plenty of others out there too. I really think that anyone with an STD, a permanant kind, should have the name of the disease and date infection was noticed tattooed close to their nether regions where they could be hidden by clothing but would give fair warning to anyone about to engage in sexual activity with the person. I just don't see infectious disease as a civil right or anything like that. It is a health issue and that is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 " Time may come that we will have to face that choice again, though I think with political correctness what it is that it would be impossible to do. " Wait a minute is there a money issue here? To put people in homes costs money and running them etc. Heard the term 'care in the community'? strange thing is there seems to be little care - ideally and maybe on paper and with spin it sounds good, in reality often not so good :-( To me when I hear terms like 'care in the community' I think yeah right! you mean 'we don't care, now b*gger off' Mmmmmm slightly ranting tonight. Shouted at my mum when I got home :- ( and I was trying so hard not to lose it too, dunno what happened, overload :-( > > > In a message dated 5/27/2006 11:03:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, > drumthis2001@... writes: > > Actually, I wouldn't be too sure about that. There's a kid in my old town > whose mother has Tubercolosis and I live in America. She is a registered nurse > and doesn't live in poverty. It is a rare disease however, that doesn't mean > it's restricted to certain groups of people. There is also no justification > for it to exist in poverized nations and I wouldn't be happy to point out such > a sad fact and then have an attitude of " if it doesn't affect me, then I > just don't care " . > > > > Many diseases may start out amongst the poor but it won't stay that way. One > thing missing from the current debate on illegal immigration is that they > are also bringing some diseases that the US has either never seen or had wiped > out. These include things like Dengay (sp) Fever, TB and others. > > One thing that really concerns me is the way they treat the people with TB, > even the drug resistant types. I watched a program on this and they had the > people come in for treatment and monitoring at hospitals. Those people came in > off the streets just like everyone else. The doctors and staff had special > rooms to test them in and the staff wore special masks, gloves, the works and > even had them do their coughing and such in a sealed cubicle. After the tests, > they were given medicine and sent right back out onto the streets again with > no precautions. > > That was really scary that the doctors would protect themselves but then put > this infectious person back out on the street. Even 50 years ago they put > people that dangerous in sanitariums where they could live comfortably, get > treatment but also were kept away from the rest of society so as not to spread > the infection. Time may come that we will have to face that choice again, > though I think with political correctness what it is that it would be impossible > to do. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 " Time may come that we will have to face that choice again, though I think with political correctness what it is that it would be impossible to do. " Wait a minute is there a money issue here? To put people in homes costs money and running them etc. Heard the term 'care in the community'? strange thing is there seems to be little care - ideally and maybe on paper and with spin it sounds good, in reality often not so good :-( To me when I hear terms like 'care in the community' I think yeah right! you mean 'we don't care, now b*gger off' Mmmmmm slightly ranting tonight. Shouted at my mum when I got home :- ( and I was trying so hard not to lose it too, dunno what happened, overload :-( > > > In a message dated 5/27/2006 11:03:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, > drumthis2001@... writes: > > Actually, I wouldn't be too sure about that. There's a kid in my old town > whose mother has Tubercolosis and I live in America. She is a registered nurse > and doesn't live in poverty. It is a rare disease however, that doesn't mean > it's restricted to certain groups of people. There is also no justification > for it to exist in poverized nations and I wouldn't be happy to point out such > a sad fact and then have an attitude of " if it doesn't affect me, then I > just don't care " . > > > > Many diseases may start out amongst the poor but it won't stay that way. One > thing missing from the current debate on illegal immigration is that they > are also bringing some diseases that the US has either never seen or had wiped > out. These include things like Dengay (sp) Fever, TB and others. > > One thing that really concerns me is the way they treat the people with TB, > even the drug resistant types. I watched a program on this and they had the > people come in for treatment and monitoring at hospitals. Those people came in > off the streets just like everyone else. The doctors and staff had special > rooms to test them in and the staff wore special masks, gloves, the works and > even had them do their coughing and such in a sealed cubicle. After the tests, > they were given medicine and sent right back out onto the streets again with > no precautions. > > That was really scary that the doctors would protect themselves but then put > this infectious person back out on the street. Even 50 years ago they put > people that dangerous in sanitariums where they could live comfortably, get > treatment but also were kept away from the rest of society so as not to spread > the infection. Time may come that we will have to face that choice again, > though I think with political correctness what it is that it would be impossible > to do. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 Oh. I didn't feel that one through. Okay. So, of course you'd think that way. I was mistaken. About the friend's mom who had TB, I don't know what conditions could have caused it. She may have been to a different country or even contracted it in her hospital when treating someone with TB. acsnag@... wrote: nick wrote:> I wouldn't be happy to point out such a sad fact and then have an > attitude of "if it doesn't affect me, then I just don't care".It's not, "I just don't care". It's if it will not affect me anyway then I an not going to worry about contracting it. Washing my hands will have no affect if I am not going to contract anything anyway.Ace Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Messenger with Voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 My comments were about I doubt the goverment really cares, more poeple dying to them just means less hassle - well maybe some do care in goverment - but power and corruption. Care in the community is a term used here in UK and has often has little to do with care. Here in UK homes have been closed, hospitals, schools - I don't know what it is like anywhere else. Forgive me if I am of a negative mood today and not explaining expressing adequately either - been a stressful day. > > > In a message dated 5/27/2006 3:45:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, > julie.stevenson16@... writes: > > Wait a minute is there a money issue here? To put people in homes > costs money and running them etc. Heard the term 'care in the > community'? strange thing is there seems to be little care - ideally > and maybe on paper and with spin it sounds good, in reality often not > so good :-( > > > > What I meant by that comment was that there are infectious diseases out > there that are becoming resistant to our most powerful medicines. If it comes to > a choice of leaving those people free in the streets to infect others or to > put them away, then the choice would have to be to put them away, just as used > to be done with thyphoid and TB carriers. > > As for the cost issue, yes it would be expensive to house and care for them, > but the societal costs of leaving them loose would be even higher. If they > were left out, then they could spread the infections to more people, which > would not only increase monetary costs but also the costs of suffering to more > people and their families. > > I think " care " is a misleading here. The care the people would get would be > to make them comfortable and seen to, but that does not mean that society at > large has to " care " about them beyond that. That care should be focussed more > on one's own family and circle. That does not mean the inmates would have to > be abused or mistreated, not at all. They would just be kept seperate for the > good of society because of the disease they carry. > > We are also close to this point as far as STD's go as well. AIDS is still on > the rise, but is a relatively minor concern numberswise. Of greater threat > are things like Syphillus and herpes which are staging a major comeback, > especially amongst the young. I really hate seeing those Valtrex (a drug the > suppresses Herpes outbreaks) commercials because You can bet many of those people > are still out there fooling around when they are infectious but don't show > it. Add to that that new research shows that most people who catch herpes > caught it from partners with no visible sign of infection. There are plenty of > others out there too. I really think that anyone with an STD, a permanant kind, > should have the name of the disease and date infection was noticed tattooed > close to their nether regions where they could be hidden by clothing but would > give fair warning to anyone about to engage in sexual activity with the > person. > > I just don't see infectious disease as a civil right or anything like that. > It is a health issue and that is all. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 <they are also bringing some diseases that the US has either never seen or had wiped out. These include things like Dengay (sp) Fever, TB and others.> What I wonder about is what goes into the thinking of the pusilanimous politicians when they advocate illegal immigration. The politicians are either rich enough to not care or they are in a place where they'd never come into contact with someone affected with TB. <After the tests, they were given medicine and sent right back out onto the streets again with no precautions.> That case has been proven time and time again. The homeless have a higher rate of every disease almost. The democrats will give them money enough to wish they wre dead but keep existing and the republicans will try to spray them down with sanitary chemicals and let them die quick. I don't know which is better. There were alot of horror stories about sanitoriums. In any place where there are massive amounts of people there will be atrophy I guess is the general issue. <though I think with political correctness what it is that it would be impossible to do. > Political correctness? There are no heroes in positions of power. The power itself inhibits others' response. The people in office lose their passion if they ever had it and become lackadaisical except on issues which are easy to fix. VISIGOTH@... wrote: In a message dated 5/27/2006 11:03:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, drumthis2001@... writes: Actually, I wouldn't be too sure about that. There's a kid in my old town whose mother has Tubercolosis and I live in America. She is a registered nurse and doesn't live in poverty. It is a rare disease however, that doesn't mean it's restricted to certain groups of people. There is also no justification for it to exist in poverized nations and I wouldn't be happy to point out such a sad fact and then have an attitude of "if it doesn't affect me, then I just don't care". Many diseases may start out amongst the poor but it won't stay that way. One thing missing from the current debate on illegal immigration is that they are also bringing some diseases that the US has either never seen or had wiped out. These include things like Dengay (sp) Fever, TB and others. One thing that really concerns me is the way they treat the people with TB, even the drug resistant types. I watched a program on this and they had the people come in for treatment and monitoring at hospitals. Those people came in off the streets just like everyone else. The doctors and staff had special rooms to test them in and the staff wore special masks, gloves, the works and even had them do their coughing and such in a sealed cubicle. After the tests, they were given medicine and sent right back out onto the streets again with no precautions. That was really scary that the doctors would protect themselves but then put this infectious person back out on the street. Even 50 years ago they put people that dangerous in sanitariums where they could live comfortably, get treatment but also were kept away from the rest of society so as not to spread the infection. Time may come that we will have to face that choice again, though I think with political correctness what it is that it would be impossible to do. Sneak preview the all-new .com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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