Guest guest Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 Since I wrote the piece, I'll point out that it's not an inaccuracy, but merely a colliquialism (nobody calls a " sugar fix " an " unrefined sweetener fix. " I also subscribe to Whole9's analysis on the issue, as summed up in their piece " Sugar = Sugar = Sugar. " http://whole9life.com/2010/06/sugar-sugar-sugar/ As Hartwig writes in the comments, " ...while each form of sugar has chemical differences...nobody eats sugar for the nutrients - and no form, even honey or mapel syrup, could on any planet be classified as " nutrient dense. " These two forms of sugar are not healthier for you, especially from a psychological perspective. " Your brain doesn't differentiate. All it knows is that you ate something sweet. *Yael Grauer **Freelance Writer *Home: (612) 200-9609 Cell: (715) 456-4273 * *http://yaelwrites.com <http://yaelwrites.com/> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Gene Leistico <gklofacr@...> wrote: > ** > > > We are getting their attention! Congrats ! Nice exposure for > Castle Rock too > > Article is linked also on the front page of their blog: > http://blogs.citypages.com/food/2012/06/j_arthurs_coffee_cupcakes.php > > btw, the article contains minor inaccuracies. For instance, 's > cupcakes that are sold at J Arthurs use only minimal natural, unrefined > sweetners (primarily honey), not " sugar " implying refined table sugar. > > Gene > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 Yael, I hope I didn't offend, I certainly did not intend any. I am truely grateful of the exposure that you gave us. The reason I made the comment about sugar was that, as I'm sure you know, 's cupcakes have been represented (accurately) to this group as using natural sweetners. My comment was in anticipation of potential confusion that may have arisen. But, I understand that, for the majority of your audience, its a moot point. I would certainly concede that no sweetner could be considered nutrient dense, but there certainly is a debate as to whether or not natural sweetners are " healthier " than processed ones. I suscribe to the viewpoint that all forms of sugar other than lactose, regardless of source should be severely restricted, but natural, unrefined sweetners are in fact a healthier option (and in the case of J Arthurs and Simply Cupcakes, a much more locally sourced one). This article (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/is-honey-a-safer-sweetener/#axzz1wx2tcwId) is a nice summary of that viewpoint and refernces numerous studies that show that our bodies respond much more favorably in a number of ways to sugars that presented in whole food form as opposed to a refined version. And, the choice of sweetner is a crucial factor to anyone on GAPS audience and the cupcakes have been sold (appropriatley so as GAPS legal, as least beyond phase 1). Again, I apologize for any offense. I thought the article was extremely positive exposure for us and our partners. >________________________________ > From: Yael Grauer <yael.grauer@...> > >Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 2:31 PM >Subject: Re: 's Cupcakes/Castle Rock/J Arthurs in City Pages > > > > > >Since I wrote the piece, I'll point out that it's not an inaccuracy, but >merely a colliquialism (nobody calls a " sugar fix " an " unrefined sweetener >fix. " > >I also subscribe to Whole9's analysis on the issue, as summed up in their >piece " Sugar = Sugar = Sugar. " >http://whole9life.com/2010/06/sugar-sugar-sugar/ > >As Hartwig writes in the comments, " ...while each form of sugar has >chemical differences...nobody eats sugar for the nutrients - and no form, >even honey or mapel syrup, could on any planet be classified as " nutrient >dense. " These two forms of sugar are not healthier for you, especially from >a psychological perspective. " > >Your brain doesn't differentiate. All it knows is that you ate something >sweet. > >*Yael Grauer **Freelance Writer >*Home: (612) 200-9609 Cell: (715) 456-4273 * >*http://yaelwrites.com <http://yaelwrites.com/> > >On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Gene Leistico <gklofacr@...> wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> We are getting their attention! Congrats ! Nice exposure for >> Castle Rock too >> >> Article is linked also on the front page of their blog: >> http://blogs.citypages.com/food/2012/06/j_arthurs_coffee_cupcakes.php >> >> btw, the article contains minor inaccuracies. For instance, 's >> cupcakes that are sold at J Arthurs use only minimal natural, unrefined >> sweetners (primarily honey), not " sugar " implying refined table sugar. >> >> Gene >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 An let me say it plainly, I'm an idiot. " Inaccuracy " was a lousy and incorrect word choice.  Gene >________________________________ > From: Yael Grauer <yael.grauer@...> > >Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 2:31 PM >Subject: Re: 's Cupcakes/Castle Rock/J Arthurs in City Pages > > > > > >Since I wrote the piece, I'll point out that it's not an inaccuracy, but >merely a colliquialism (nobody calls a " sugar fix " an " unrefined sweetener >fix. " > >I also subscribe to Whole9's analysis on the issue, as summed up in their >piece " Sugar = Sugar = Sugar. " >http://whole9life.com/2010/06/sugar-sugar-sugar/ > >As Hartwig writes in the comments, " ...while each form of sugar has >chemical differences...nobody eats sugar for the nutrients - and no form, >even honey or mapel syrup, could on any planet be classified as " nutrient >dense. " These two forms of sugar are not healthier for you, especially from >a psychological perspective. " > >Your brain doesn't differentiate. All it knows is that you ate something >sweet. > >*Yael Grauer **Freelance Writer >*Home: (612) 200-9609 Cell: (715) 456-4273 * >*http://yaelwrites.com <http://yaelwrites.com/> > >On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Gene Leistico <gklofacr@...> wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> We are getting their attention! Congrats ! Nice exposure for >> Castle Rock too >> >> Article is linked also on the front page of their blog: >> http://blogs.citypages.com/food/2012/06/j_arthurs_coffee_cupcakes.php >> >> btw, the article contains minor inaccuracies. For instance, 's >> cupcakes that are sold at J Arthurs use only minimal natural, unrefined >> sweetners (primarily honey), not " sugar " implying refined table sugar. >> >> Gene >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 I hardly think any confusion was caused by me referring to sugar fixes, and I stand behind that. Sugar is sugar; whether it's honey, agave, coconut nectar/sugar, etc., the body is going to treat it the same. In fact, agave nectar is probably WORSE for you than sugar, as is " corn syrup, " which has also been touted as a " healthy alternative " to sugar. ALL sugars, including honey, induce an insulin response. See http://robbwolf.com/2012/04/20/additive-effect-artificial-intelligent/ and studies linked therein. Of course I don't think this means one must never eat sugar in any of its forms (honey, pure maple syrup, raw sugar, dextrose, etc.), but it's certainly not a health food. I had a similar complaint when I wrote about Tutti Frutti in Maple Grove( http://blogs.citypages.com/food/2012/02/tutti_frutti_yogurt_open_maple_grove.php\ ). From that piece: " The walls were decorated with giant posters promoting the health benefits of frozen yogurt. Though frozen yogurt is lower in calories than ice cream and may be a healthier alternative, when we're looking for health food, it's not usually in desserts layered with Ghirardelli chocolate sauce and rainbow sprinkles. " *Yael Grauer **Freelance Writer *Home: (612) 200-9609 Cell: (715) 456-4273 * *http://yaelwrites.com <http://yaelwrites.com/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 You & #39;re right. I should have just celebrated the exposure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 Well.. if it makes anyone feel any better.... if table sugar is 48 calories and 12.6 sugars per TBS and honey is 64 calories and 16 sugars per TBS... I use half or less sugar (total calories and sugars) in my cupcakes (cake and frosting) compared to a traditional white flour/ refined sugar cupcake.. all in all.... a paleo cupcake is definitely a better choice when you want a yummy treat! Thanks for all of your support! I am having a great time making up these creations!  http://www.SimplyCupcakesMN.com SimplyCupcakesMN@... 651-724-3143  ________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2012 Report Share Posted June 5, 2012 Unheated raw honey IS NOT the same as other sugars. It is comprised of enzymes to help us digest our food and is an inverted sugar. It does not act like other sugars in the body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 Unheated raw honey, when baked, is no longer unheated raw honey and therefore the negligible amount of nutrients are reduced or disappear altogether. Like sugar, honey is a high calorie food. It contains almost as many calories as sugar. Yes, it is sweeter, so you can use less of it for the same amount of sugar. These benefits are reduced if you eat more of it, though. So if I eat a sugar cookie or 2 " healthy " cookies with honey, the benefits are completely gone. Eat low-nutrient food such as cookies, cake, etc. in small amounts and you'll be fine, but pretending it is a health food when it isn't is frankly quite silly. Too much honey spikes insulin the same way as table sugar does, and will give you diabetes etc. if you eat too much of it, just like all other forms of sugar do. * * *Yael Grauer **Freelance Writer* Home: (612) 200-9609 Cell: (715) 456-4273 http://yaelwrites.com <http://yaelwrites.com/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 Yael is correct, that no matter what we add as a sweetener to our cupcakes, they will not be called a health food, but rather an indulgence. I respect your opinion and thank you for standing up for what you have learned to be true. Our intent was and is to provide an indulgence that was a better choice for many people, whether that is because they are gluten intolerant or on a " paleo " diet or want to consume less grains. We figured that many people on special diets either cheat in a moment of poor judgement or because they just really want a treat. We hoped to give them a treat that still kept to the general guidelines of their preferred diet. Natural or processed natural sweeteners have effects on our bodies and these effects are more pronounced in some people. Some people can eat more of these sweeteners than others. However, eating sweeteners often and/or in quantity, and for some people eating even small amount can have a negative effect on metabolism and hormone response. Some sweeteners, such as raw unfiltered honey likely have benefits attached to them, but the benefits do not necessarily make the negative effects less bad. In our opinion, if you are going to indulge you should indulge thoughtfully and choose the treats that meet your eating guidelines. I have attached a link to two Mercola articles where he shows the research that different sugars are processed differently in the body. Read the article, because it doesnt say that some sugar is good, it says that some sugars are actually worse than others in the way the body processes them. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/08/16/finally-people-sta\ rting-to-consume-less-sugar.aspx http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/01/03/high-fructose-corn\ -syrup-even-worse-than-weve-been-told.aspx?aid=CD945 We are striving to provide a treat that is a better choice than any other processed treat. Let us know if you have suggestions of how we can get even better. for example - should we try creating treats using erythritol and or xylitol? These are found naturally , though the kind we buy in bags is made in a manufacturing facility. They have been shown to be better than sugars and have not shown the negative research that other sugar substitutes have. Are these something we should consider using? Would you eat something with these sweeteners in them? Thanks everyone for your interest in our endeavor. -Thaddeus ('s Husband) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 Thanks for this response. I really like the Whole9 Guide to Nutritional Off-roading: http://whole9life.com/2011/04/whole9s-guide-to-nutritional-off-roading/<http://w\ hole9life.com/2011/04/whole9s-guide-to-nutritional-off-roading/>. That's what I use when I decide what to indulge in, though it also really depends on what I have going on. For example, if I need to be within a certain weight class for a tournament (I compete in BJJ), I won't indulge at all. And I think it's good to have healthier alternatives, as long as they are as yummy as what one's craving. Otherwise you end up eating the alternative and then breaking down and eating the forbidden food anyway. I made apple crumb yesterday when I had a hankering for ice cream, but there's some days when I just need to eat the ice cream. I think it's really an individual decision as we all have different reactions to different foods. For me, I'd gladly eat beef jerky that's sweetened (with sugar!) if it's wheat-free because wheat messes me up more than sugar does. My boyfriend is the same way--I can make him Paleo cake with sugar, but something with flour (even without sugar) will mess him up for a while. Also, I can eat small amounts of dark chocolate, but more than a few tablespoons fruit juice (a natural sweetener) makes me feel terrible. I think it's really about experimentation. Clean diet for 30 days, then slowly reintroducing things to see what effect they have. It's the same with raw dairy--works for some but not others, as much as some would want people to believe it's the only right choice for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 Thanks for this response. I really like the Whole9 Guide to Nutritional Off-roading: http://whole9life.com/2011/04/whole9s-guide-to-nutritional-off-roading/<http://w\ hole9life.com/2011/04/whole9s-guide-to-nutritional-off-roading/>. That's what I use when I decide what to indulge in, though it also really depends on what I have going on. For example, if I need to be within a certain weight class for a tournament (I compete in BJJ), I won't indulge at all. And I think it's good to have healthier alternatives, as long as they are as yummy as what one's craving. Otherwise you end up eating the alternative and then breaking down and eating the forbidden food anyway. I made apple crumb yesterday when I had a hankering for ice cream, but there's some days when I just need to eat the ice cream. I think it's really an individual decision as we all have different reactions to different foods. For me, I'd gladly eat beef jerky that's sweetened (with sugar!) if it's wheat-free because wheat messes me up more than sugar does. My boyfriend is the same way--I can make him Paleo cake with sugar, but something with flour (even without sugar) will mess him up for a while. Also, I can eat small amounts of dark chocolate, but more than a few tablespoons fruit juice (a natural sweetener) makes me feel terrible. I think it's really about experimentation. Clean diet for 30 days, then slowly reintroducing things to see what effect they have. It's the same with raw dairy--works for some but not others, as much as some would want people to believe it's the only right choice for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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