Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 > Sara: "I believe that taboos such as the one against nudity actually create objectification of bodies and the resultant cultural problems."Thank you, Sara.Yours is the most truthfully honest from the heart post I've read on this forum in a long time! Rainbow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 In a message dated 4/20/2006 11:11:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, rainbow@... writes: > Sara: "I believe that taboos such as the one against nudity actually create objectification of bodies and the resultant cultural problems." Thank you, Sara. Yours is the most truthfully honest from the heart post I've read on this forum in a long time! Then you haven't been reading many posts. But really, do any of you pay attention to people these days? Most people should be covered but often they aren't, or not very well. What you see certainly doesn't lead to an objectification of the body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 > But really, do any of you pay attention to people these days? Most people > should be covered but often they aren't, or not very well. What you see > certainly doesn't lead to an objectification of the body. Why " should " most people be covered? Who do you mean by " most people, " and what do you mean by " covered " ? I'm reminded of a story of a woman's trip to a country where women regularly wore clothing that draped their bodies from head to toe. When the storyteller first entered that foreign airport, she saw a traditionally covered woman with her drape open fully exposing both her breasts while she breastfed her baby. The storyteller later learned that the country's dominant culture did not consider breasts to be sexual objects, but women's shoulders on the other hand. . . . -sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2006 Report Share Posted April 21, 2006 In a message dated 4/21/2006 3:49:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, msaraann@... writes: Why "should" most people be covered? Who do you mean by "most people,"and what do you mean by "covered"?I'm reminded of a story of a woman's trip to a country where womenregularly wore clothing that draped their bodies from head to toe.When the storyteller first entered that foreign airport, she saw atraditionally covered woman with her drape open fully exposing bothher breasts while she breastfed her baby. The storyteller laterlearned that the country's dominant culture did not consider breaststo be sexual objects, but women's shoulders on the other hand. . . .-sara I mean the obese and morbidly obese people, primarily. Sorry, but big beer guts and the rest are just gross. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 Hello Sara, I agree with what you wrote: " I dress comfortably which could also be interpreted as modestly, but I don't attempt to hide my body with clothing. I think that the way one carries her body probably contributes even more to a sexually forward image than her clothing, not to say clothing doesn't carry meaning, too. " What you wrote about cultural differences is also interesting " I'm reminded of a story of a woman's trip to a country where women regularly wore clothing that draped their bodies from head to toe. When the storyteller first entered that foreign airport, she saw a traditionally covered woman with her drape open fully exposing both her breasts while she breastfed her baby. The storyteller later learned that the country's dominant culture did not consider breasts to be sexual objects, but women's shoulders on the other hand. . . " I think it shows that people are mostly influenced by ideas of their surroundings. Here (the Netherlands) many people think about North American people that they don't have very high moral standards and see women as objects of lust. This mostly is based on what they see on MTV or in Hollywood movies. The other way around I have noticed many times that in other cultures people easily think that people from the Netherlands of Sweden are very 'easy' in things concerning sexuality. Stereotyping can be an easier way to understand the world for many persons. Lida Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 " Stereotyping can be an easier way to understand the world for many persons. " I do not agree with stereotyping - I am surprised more people do not question these stereotypes - though I suppose maybe they are not into thinking for themeselves. Even aspies/autism gets stereotyped - then there are silly beliefs that are slapped on all across the spectrum and many do not question the validity of these claims/believes and instead believe blanket generalisations instead of seeing each person as different and an individual. Mmmmmmmm slight rant :-) > " I dress comfortably which could also be interpreted as modestly, but I > don't attempt to hide my body with clothing. I think that the way one > carries her body probably contributes even more to a sexually forward > image than her clothing, not to say clothing doesn't carry meaning, > too. " > > What you wrote about cultural differences is also interesting > " I'm reminded of a story of a woman's trip to a country where women > regularly wore clothing that draped their bodies from head to toe. > When the storyteller first entered that foreign airport, she saw a > traditionally covered woman with her drape open fully exposing both > her breasts while she breastfed her baby. The storyteller later > learned that the country's dominant culture did not consider breasts > to be sexual objects, but women's shoulders on the other hand. . . " > > I think it shows that people are mostly influenced by ideas of their > surroundings. > > Here (the Netherlands) many people think about North American people that > they > don't have very high moral standards and see women as objects of lust. This > mostly is > based on what they see on MTV or in Hollywood movies. > > The other way around I have noticed many times that in other cultures people > easily > think that people from the Netherlands of Sweden are very 'easy' in things > concerning > sexuality. > > Stereotyping can be an easier way to understand the world for many persons. > > Lida > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 The funny thing is that even having an idea about stereotyping can become from some concept into a stereotype : ) Lida wrote: " Stereotyping can be an easier way to understand the world for many persons. " I do not agree with stereotyping - I am surprised more people do not question these stereotypes - though I suppose maybe they are not into thinking for themeselves. Even aspies/autism gets stereotyped - then there are silly beliefs that are slapped on all across the spectrum and many do not question the validity of these claims/believes and instead believe blanket generalisations instead of seeing each person as different and an individual. Mmmmmmmm slight rant :-) > " I dress comfortably which could also be interpreted as modestly, but I > don't attempt to hide my body with clothing. I think that the way one > carries her body probably contributes even more to a sexually forward > image than her clothing, not to say clothing doesn't carry meaning, > too. " > > What you wrote about cultural differences is also interesting > " I'm reminded of a story of a woman's trip to a country where women > regularly wore clothing that draped their bodies from head to toe. > When the storyteller first entered that foreign airport, she saw a > traditionally covered woman with her drape open fully exposing both > her breasts while she breastfed her baby. The storyteller later > learned that the country's dominant culture did not consider breasts > to be sexual objects, but women's shoulders on the other hand. . . " > > I think it shows that people are mostly influenced by ideas of their > surroundings. > > Here (the Netherlands) many people think about North American people that > they > don't have very high moral standards and see women as objects of lust. This > mostly is > based on what they see on MTV or in Hollywood movies. > > The other way around I have noticed many times that in other cultures people > easily > think that people from the Netherlands or Sweden are very 'easy' in things > concerning > sexuality. > > Stereotyping can be an easier way to understand the world for many persons. > > Lida > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 The funny thing is that even having an idea about stereotyping can become from some concept into a stereotype : ) Lida wrote: " Stereotyping can be an easier way to understand the world for many persons. " I do not agree with stereotyping - I am surprised more people do not question these stereotypes - though I suppose maybe they are not into thinking for themeselves. Even aspies/autism gets stereotyped - then there are silly beliefs that are slapped on all across the spectrum and many do not question the validity of these claims/believes and instead believe blanket generalisations instead of seeing each person as different and an individual. Mmmmmmmm slight rant :-) > " I dress comfortably which could also be interpreted as modestly, but I > don't attempt to hide my body with clothing. I think that the way one > carries her body probably contributes even more to a sexually forward > image than her clothing, not to say clothing doesn't carry meaning, > too. " > > What you wrote about cultural differences is also interesting > " I'm reminded of a story of a woman's trip to a country where women > regularly wore clothing that draped their bodies from head to toe. > When the storyteller first entered that foreign airport, she saw a > traditionally covered woman with her drape open fully exposing both > her breasts while she breastfed her baby. The storyteller later > learned that the country's dominant culture did not consider breasts > to be sexual objects, but women's shoulders on the other hand. . . " > > I think it shows that people are mostly influenced by ideas of their > surroundings. > > Here (the Netherlands) many people think about North American people that > they > don't have very high moral standards and see women as objects of lust. This > mostly is > based on what they see on MTV or in Hollywood movies. > > The other way around I have noticed many times that in other cultures people > easily > think that people from the Netherlands or Sweden are very 'easy' in things > concerning > sexuality. > > Stereotyping can be an easier way to understand the world for many persons. > > Lida > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 Lida: > The other way around I have noticed many times that in other cultures > people easily think that people from the Netherlands or Sweden are very 'easy' in things concerning sexuality. Foreign men visiting Sweden are frequently disappointed to find that the myth about Scandinavian women has very little basis in reality... Once, about 20 years ago, I was attending a midsummer celebration with some New Age people and an elderly psychologist from the U.S. The day after she admitted that she had been a bit nervous about what would happen after we finished dancing around the May pole; she had had some vague idea that everyone would rip their clothes off and have a wild orgy. I don't know if she was relieved or disappointed that nothing of the sort happened; we just sat around a camp fire talking and playing guitar. :-) Inger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 Lida: > The other way around I have noticed many times that in other cultures > people easily think that people from the Netherlands or Sweden are very 'easy' in things concerning sexuality. Foreign men visiting Sweden are frequently disappointed to find that the myth about Scandinavian women has very little basis in reality... Once, about 20 years ago, I was attending a midsummer celebration with some New Age people and an elderly psychologist from the U.S. The day after she admitted that she had been a bit nervous about what would happen after we finished dancing around the May pole; she had had some vague idea that everyone would rip their clothes off and have a wild orgy. I don't know if she was relieved or disappointed that nothing of the sort happened; we just sat around a camp fire talking and playing guitar. :-) Inger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 Yes... that's funny : ) Being a tourist doesn't mean one gets to fully understand a culture and its thinking, but it can be helpfull to get rid of the most foolish ideas : ) Lida Inger: Foreign men visiting Sweden are frequently disappointed to find that the myth about Scandinavian women has very little basis in reality... Once, about 20 years ago, I was attending a midsummer celebration with some New Age people and an elderly psychologist from the U.S. The day after she admitted that she had been a bit nervous about what would happen after we finished dancing around the May pole; she had had some vague idea that everyone would rip their clothes off and have a wild orgy. I don't know if she was relieved or disappointed that nothing of the sort happened; we just sat around a camp fire talking and playing guitar. :-) Inger Lida: > The other way around I have noticed many times that in other cultures > people easily think that people from the Netherlands or Sweden are very 'easy' in things concerning sexuality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 Yes... that's funny : ) Being a tourist doesn't mean one gets to fully understand a culture and its thinking, but it can be helpfull to get rid of the most foolish ideas : ) Lida Inger: Foreign men visiting Sweden are frequently disappointed to find that the myth about Scandinavian women has very little basis in reality... Once, about 20 years ago, I was attending a midsummer celebration with some New Age people and an elderly psychologist from the U.S. The day after she admitted that she had been a bit nervous about what would happen after we finished dancing around the May pole; she had had some vague idea that everyone would rip their clothes off and have a wild orgy. I don't know if she was relieved or disappointed that nothing of the sort happened; we just sat around a camp fire talking and playing guitar. :-) Inger Lida: > The other way around I have noticed many times that in other cultures > people easily think that people from the Netherlands or Sweden are very 'easy' in things concerning sexuality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 In a message dated 4/22/2006 6:48:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, ururu@... writes: Here (the Netherlands) many people think about North American people that theydon't have very high moral standards and see women as objects of lust. This mostly isbased on what they see on MTV or in Hollywood movies. MTV and Hollywood are terrible representations of the US. Gunfights and all that are rare, even in the crime ridden ghettos. Most places have very low crime rates. Most people don't run around looking and acting like they do in the movies and videos either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 In a message dated 4/22/2006 8:12:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, julie.stevenson16@... writes: "Stereotyping can be an easier way to understand the world for many persons."I do not agree with stereotyping - I am surprised more people do not question these stereotypes - though I suppose maybe they are not into thinking for themeselves.Even aspies/autism gets stereotyped - then there are silly beliefs that are slapped on all across the spectrum and many do not question the validity of these claims/believes and instead believe blanket generalisations instead of seeing each person as different and an individual.Mmmmmmmm slight rant :-) We do. However, stereotyping is how the brain works. The brain is hardwired to take in everything it sees, compare it to past experience and categorize it in an instant. A logical thinking process for this would consume so much energy and time that we wouldn't be able to do much other than ruminate over every visual image we took in all day long. In business class, it was explained that a person's choice in clothes reflects something about them, whether erroneous or not. If you see someone walking down the street looking like a thug, that's the first thing you think and you classify them as such. Sure it could be someone just doing it for fashion, but you don't know what just with a look. By the same token, you could have someone very well dressed, but that's doesn't mean they have class or are what they seem. People need to be aware that how they present themselves says a lot. If girls run around with sexy clothes with suggestive slogans on them, then they will be thought of as sluts or sex objects. If they are well dressed, while they might indeed be sluts, you won't think of them as such. To tell the truth, I find the more presentably dressed women more attractive and interestind than those who "let it all hang out". As for myself, I usually dress in jeans, Tshirt with a light jacket in hot weather or jeans and sweatshirt in cold. I used to dress better, but I realized that in my case, because I am short and have glasses, people judged me more harshly by that than my clothing, so I stopped spending the extra money. I still look like I have class mind you and I don't go out in dirty clothes. And yes, I do have a couple of suits that I wear on occasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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