Re: troubled, not dead yet

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the link:

> this, which I found today, might be interesting for you as well..

http://paulapeterson.com/AngelsDisguised.html

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I was a big fan of the Xmen comics when I was a teen. That's when they only had the three or so core lines. Eventually there became so many spin offs that I lost interest. I also preferred the longer graphic novels to the monthly issues since it was easier to follow the stories. Some of them I still read every now and then.

One of those was called "God Loves, Man Kills". It is about this anti-mutant group that develops a machine that broadcasts energy that only affects mutants. They intended to use it at a big rally to kill a lot of mutants. This was also a situation where the Xmen and Magneto join forces.

If you read the old comics, perhaps the Xman that closest resembles Aspies, in a way, is Rogue. In the comics, she was a member of the Thieve's Guild who exploited her powers. Unlike in the movie, Mystique (who wore clothes unlike in the movies) was something of Rogue's mother figure, though she was simply using her. Later, Rogue got away from them after permanantly draining Marvel Girl, an Xman, of her powers. So in the comics, Rogue could fly, was immensely strong and very resistant to damage.

The reason I mention her is that she is rather like us as far as social things go. She wants to fit in and do the things others do, but she can't because if she touches anyone, she drains their energy, memories, everything, which happens instantly, not after a delay like in the movies. If the contact is held too long, the drain is permanant and the other person may die. While we don't have that particular problem, most of us have other barriers that keep us seperate and are hard to overcome.

The only thing I didn't like about the series was that they had her "romantic interest" being Gambit, who may have put in a brief appearance in the last movie. Anyway, he is Cajun gigolo and member of the assassin's guild. I always though Wolverine would be a better match. In the comics, like in the movie, Wolverine did have a soft spot for her and he also had his own issues, not the least of which was being born in the late 1800's (They were right when they said, in the movie, that he might have been older than Professor X). But Wolverine had a Japanese girlfriend that he almost married. But because she was Yakuza and Wolverine had to kill her father in the line of duty, she walked out on him at the wedding. Oddly enough, in the second movie, that female version of Wolverine, was what Wolverine's ex turned herself into after the wedding, mainly for the purpose of killing Wolverine.

Well, I rambled a bit. Amazing how much of this I remember after so long. Then again, as bad as it may sound, in my teens, they were family, so it shouldn't be too surprising that I recall it.

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Finally, someone who thinks the same way about X-Men as myself! I remember seeing that movie and thinking of how it is so parallel to aspies vs. humans. Finally, someone else who reads Nietzsche, and understands his theories like I do! All my friends have been partly mutant! I can see where you're coming from. I had just been thinking about that connection this morning before I even read your post Maya. Sadly, history repeats itself much like the holocaust will in the fashion of embryonic manipulation. What a bunch of arrogant, saps! I'm glad to see someone who sees it the same way. maYa <crna_kuna@...> wrote: I made it through all the exams, only the final thesis remains..this, which I found today, might be interesting for you as well..paulapeterson.com/AngelsDisguised.html I think before I also mentioned

something about autistics being compared to angels.. I don't know where I got that from.. but in this article they also use the connection.. and in Holland they were called "elfenkinderen" (elf-children)anyways.. it summons same theory as how I came to see the 'mutant' evolution theory and autism connection.Actually, it was like this, I was interested in evolution and genetical stuff all my life (also in diseases btw).. then, when my friend said I might have something from the autism spectrum.. I started reading symptoms and causes, the moment I read "genetical" that's the moment.. I realized.. everything, every interest I ever had, always feeling different, Nietzsche, mutants, animals, Darwin.. everything fell into place.. then I also found Osho..http://www.otoons.com/mysticrose/novus.htmand then I realized even the band I was a fan of, the man

I fell in love with, everything from my very early years till now, everything lead me to knowing this and everything supports the theory.Or in other words - I came up with the same theory SEPERATELY from aspergia.comwhich means IT IS MOST LIKELY TRUEI mean, about a. being mutantb. being part of an evolutionairy processc. nature doing this (therefore being more obliged to listen to nature's call than to humanity's!!)numerous previous autistic-like individuals, also the infamous, who came up with similar ideas and theories and felt similar connections (for a future race, closer to nature) only proove it more, imho.It's like Xavier and Magneto.. you got two sides within mutancy and you can't say which one is the really right one, because coexistence with homo sapiens (normalus) might become impossible at some point. Then the question is: whose side are you on? if they start killing our

children because they do not want 'genetically defect children' to be born? Whose side will you be on? That's the question.Protecting the VALUE of ALL life (animals especially) is of crucial importance in protecting our own. If truly, one day, people 'snap out' of their 'all people resembling us are homo sapiens' and actually define us as not-human.. what law will protect us??!!??things like humane slaughter (=supporting speciesism) and humane abortion (based on collecting genetical information of the embryo) are only opening the doors to them exterminating us as a species at some point. this is not just for us, it is for nature as a whole. NATURE SHOULD DECIDE EVOLUTION. The power should be given back to God. That's why we're here.Again, anyone can figure the scenario out. People have been selecting animals throughout history for their functionality for mankind, and there's no reason to assume they are not

going to do the same to breed only the efficient (obedient, efficient, easy-to-handle, productive, slave-mentality) human beings, a perfect, superrace of willing societal members. But fitting into and willingly obedient to a society which is rotten and in contradiction to Nature's will!! It is not a question of will or won't, it is a question of WHEN. And how much time we have to take over at least one area on planet earth, which can be well defended and where we can take refuge and keep our children safe from them. Before it's too late.some others come up with the theory without knowing they are autistic, incl the man I fell in love with, hence I fell in love with him.The theory is always the same, like different dialects of the same language.. there is one source though, the variants we see today are still only the 'splinters' of the underlying reality. We are not the puzzle, we are solving the puzzle.

The reason is because it's in another awareness we can see things. The reality people see around them is like the light of stars already dead. It's how people evolve and find out things, make discoveries, because their awareness changes, shifts. Each time that happens, paradigmas shift, but first few people know, few people *can* understand or do it, than more and more, another way of seeing and dealing with things evolves. Previous things seem unthinkable (like that the world is flat not round or that the earth is the centre of the universe). But you could never explain how living in a city works to homo erectus. There are physical changes necessary to achieve greater awareness. But also spiritual (personal developmental) ones. Because you need to 'discover' something no one has ever come up with yet. You need to break out of the reality they have been showing you, need to become a revolutionairy thinker. It doesn't

mean it doesn't exist. It doesn't mean it never existed and you must invent it. It's not your invention. There is a world of ideas as Plato describes it. You're just one of the first with the ability to SEE IT, to describe it, to name it. Or in other words: BELIEVE.But I am more saying this to myself.. because I have such self-hatred in me, sometimes I don't know why on earth I am still alive :|sarva jeeva sama bhava"all sentient beings are equal"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpeciesismWe don't fight for nature, we are nature fighting back! EarthFirst - http://www.earthfirst.org

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Interesting post. Yes aspies are different, but I still think we are

human - but who knows :-) I believe we are just wired differently -

or that there is some innate difference in us compared to non aspies.

This difference does not make us necesarrily worse or better than non

aspies - not all aspies are good. I think we have potential, just as

non aspies have potential.

I have always found myself akin with nature, but I do not know if

this is something all aspies have? maybe it just is more common is

aspies as are other traits? I know there are different kinds of

aspies too, we are still individuals. For instance believe it or not

there are some aspies that are quite sociable and actually seek

socializing out; whereas other aspies are less to almost non

sociable. Also some aspies are extrovert, some introvert. I find

generalisations difficult, even though I sometimes appear to be

making them myself :-)

>

>

> I made it through all the exams, only the final thesis remains..

>

> this, which I found today, might be interesting for you as well..

> paulapeterson.com/AngelsDisguised.html

>

> I think before I also mentioned something about autistics being

> compared to angels.. I don't know where I got that from.. but in

this

> article they also use the connection.. and in Holland they were

> called " elfenkinderen " (elf-children)

>

> anyways.. it summons same theory as how I came to see the 'mutant'

> evolution theory and autism connection.

>

> Actually, it was like this, I was interested in evolution and

> genetical stuff all my life (also in diseases btw).. then, when my

> friend said I might have something from the autism spectrum.. I

> started reading symptoms and causes, the moment I read " genetical "

> that's the moment.. I realized.. everything, every interest I ever

> had, always feeling different, Nietzsche, mutants, animals,

Darwin..

> everything fell into place.. then I also found Osho..

>

> http://www.otoons.com/mysticrose/novus.htm

>

> and then I realized even the band I was a fan of, the man I fell in

> love with, everything from my very early years till now, everything

> lead me to knowing this and everything supports the theory.

>

> Or in other words - I came up with the same theory SEPERATELY from

> aspergia.com

> which means IT IS MOST LIKELY TRUE

>

> I mean, about

> a. being mutant

> b. being part of an evolutionairy process

> c. nature doing this (therefore being more obliged to listen to

> nature's call than to humanity's!!)

>

> numerous previous autistic-like individuals, also the infamous, who

> came up with similar ideas and theories and felt similar

connections

> (for a future race, closer to nature) only proove it more, imho.

>

> It's like Xavier and Magneto.. you got two sides within mutancy and

> you can't say which one is the really right one, because

coexistence

> with homo sapiens (normalus) might become impossible at some point.

> Then the question is: whose side are you on? if they start killing

> our children because they do not want 'genetically defect children'

> to be born? Whose side will you be on? That's the question.

>

> Protecting the VALUE of ALL life (animals especially) is of crucial

> importance in protecting our own. If truly, one day, people 'snap

> out' of their 'all people resembling us are homo sapiens' and

> actually define us as not-human.. what law will protect us??!!??

>

> things like humane slaughter (=supporting speciesism) and humane

> abortion (based on collecting genetical information of the embryo)

> are only opening the doors to them exterminating us as a species at

> some point. this is not just for us, it is for nature as a whole.

> NATURE SHOULD DECIDE EVOLUTION. The power should be given back to

> God. That's why we're here.

> Again, anyone can figure the scenario out. People have been

selecting

> animals throughout history for their functionality for mankind, and

> there's no reason to assume they are not going to do the same to

> breed only the efficient (obedient, efficient, easy-to-handle,

> productive, slave-mentality) human beings, a perfect, superrace of

> willing societal members. But fitting into and willingly obedient

to

> a society which is rotten and in contradiction to Nature's will!!

It

> is not a question of will or won't, it is a question of WHEN. And

how

> much time we have to take over at least one area on planet earth,

> which can be well defended and where we can take refuge and keep

our

> children safe from them. Before it's too late.

>

> some others come up with the theory without knowing they are

> autistic, incl the man I fell in love with, hence I fell in love

with

> him.

>

> The theory is always the same, like different dialects of the same

> language.. there is one source though, the variants we see today

are

> still only the 'splinters' of the underlying reality. We are not

the

> puzzle, we are solving the puzzle. The reason is because it's in

> another awareness we can see things. The reality people see around

> them is like the light of stars already dead. It's how people

evolve

> and find out things, make discoveries, because their awareness

> changes, shifts. Each time that happens, paradigmas shift, but

first

> few people know, few people *can* understand or do it, than more

and

> more, another way of seeing and dealing with things evolves.

Previous

> things seem unthinkable (like that the world is flat not round or

> that the earth is the centre of the universe). But you could never

> explain how living in a city works to homo erectus. There are

> physical changes necessary to achieve greater awareness. But also

> spiritual (personal developmental) ones. Because you need

> to 'discover' something no one has ever come up with yet. You need

to

> break out of the reality they have been showing you, need to become

a

> revolutionairy thinker. It doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It

doesn't

> mean it never existed and you must invent it. It's not your

> invention. There is a world of ideas as Plato describes it. You're

> just one of the first with the ability to SEE IT, to describe it,

to

> name it. Or in other words: BELIEVE.

>

> But I am more saying this to myself.. because I have such self-

hatred

> in me, sometimes I don't know why on earth I am still alive :|

>

>

> sarva jeeva sama bhava

> " all sentient beings are equal "

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism

>

>

>

> We don't fight for nature, we are nature fighting back!

>

> EarthFirst - http://www.earthfirst.org

>

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>

> " Finally, someone who thinks the same way about X-Men as myself! I

remember seeing that movie and thinking of how it is so parallel to

aspies vs. humans. "

I thought that about Wolverine.

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In a message dated 5/2/2006 4:34:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, crna_kuna@... writes:

very true.. it's just that I think I need to give myself a place in the bigger scheme of things since I feel utterly worthless to humanity, so then my purpose could be outside of their society/existence? I can't find my place in it... especially not with my heart.. well, I could try any stupid lousy data entry, cleaning whatever job.. the question is.. is that the place for me to be in? would it really make me feel fulfilled, part of something bigger.. is that the purpose of my life? the very reason I was created? are my beliefs maybe part of my genetical structure then, as the whole of me, maybe, I am created to be as I am, just like talents we are born with.. part of our fate? to be in a certain place for a certain reason. It's more a spiritual theory as well I guess.

Most people have trouble finding their place. Sometimes we have to do piddling jobs to make ends meet until we can find something we really like.

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>

> Finally, someone who thinks the same way about X-Men as myself! I

remember seeing that movie and thinking of how it is so parallel to

aspies vs. humans. Finally, someone else who reads Nietzsche, and

understands his theories like I do! All my friends have been partly

mutant! I can see where you're coming from. I had just been thinking

about that connection this morning before I even read your post Maya.

Sadly, history repeats itself much like the holocaust will in the

fashion of embryonic manipulation. What a bunch of arrogant, saps! I'm

glad to see someone who sees it the same way.

>

that's mutual! grand! tnx so much.. I always fear how ppl will react..

I am really happy you also see the connections )

if you like Nietzche and mutant theory and related also check out the

albums Praise the Fallen and Empires by VNV Nation.

::light::

fellow mutant

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In a message dated 5/2/2006 6:42:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, crna_kuna@... writes:

tnx for the supportive view!! I'll think of that when I feel down over the issue again.

Certainly. I worked for a while as I night stocker in a grocery store, which was very hard and unrewarding work, but it was a paycheck and I was mostly left alone to do my work. I looked at other jobs, but didn't take them. There was one that would have required me to move out of state to work in a plant that made parts for light aircraft, but I didn't take it. Good thing too, since it unionized after a couple of years and the union ran it into the ground in another couple of years. I always thought that was odd since I was offered $12 an hour starting pay plus medical and overtime if I wanted it. There have been other little jobs too, but I managed to become self-employed and it suits me well, most of the time.

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>

> Interesting post. Yes aspies are different, but I still think we

are

> human - but who knows :-) I believe we are just wired differently -

> or that there is some innate difference in us compared to non

aspies.

> This difference does not make us necesarrily worse or better than

non

> aspies - not all aspies are good. I think we have potential, just

as

> non aspies have potential.

>

> I have always found myself akin with nature, but I do not know if

> this is something all aspies have? maybe it just is more common is

> aspies as are other traits? I know there are different kinds of

> aspies too, we are still individuals. For instance believe it or

not

> there are some aspies that are quite sociable and actually seek

> socializing out; whereas other aspies are less to almost non

> sociable. Also some aspies are extrovert, some introvert. I find

> generalisations difficult, even though I sometimes appear to be

> making them myself :-)

>

>

very true.. it's just that I think I need to give myself a place in

the bigger scheme of things since I feel utterly worthless to

humanity, so then my purpose could be outside of their

society/existence? I can't find my place in it... especially not with

my heart.. well, I could try any stupid lousy data entry, cleaning

whatever job.. the question is.. is that the place for me to be in?

would it really make me feel fulfilled, part of something bigger.. is

that the purpose of my life? the very reason I was created? are my

beliefs maybe part of my genetical structure then, as the whole of

me, maybe, I am created to be as I am, just like talents we are born

with.. part of our fate? to be in a certain place for a certain

reason. It's more a spiritual theory as well I guess.

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> Most people have trouble finding their place. Sometimes we have to

do

> piddling jobs to make ends meet until we can find something we

really like.

>

>

>

tnx for the supportive view!! I'll think of that when I feel down over

the issue again.

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For me, it was Spiderman. The original comic, not the movies. He was the

first, as far as I remember, super hero who had inner conflict and depth. So

many others came later.