Re: Legal/Illegal

[Guest guest]

Raven, I'm sorry but I don't really see the relevance of this analogy.

As points out, MMJ can improve quality of life for terminally ill and others.

Withdrawing cash from a bank at gun-point is a selfish act of violence.

I'm still pretty sure that the main reasons it is illegal are that it is inexpensive, easy to grow yourself and cannot be patented and sold as a pill and may thus threaten revenue for Big Pharma (just like other herbal remedies whose proponents keep getting their offices attacked by FDA SWAT teams and their businesses ruined) as well as compete with the alleged CIA/Bush & Cheney drug running business that focuses on heavy, addictive drugs.

:-)

Inger

Legal/Illegal WAS: Kajira

Adding my almost two cents worth (remember, Canadian currency is still lagging US currency by about 15% at this point) ...It is not illegal to own a gun, provided you have the appropriate paperwork. It is not illegal to make a withdrawal at the bank, provided you have the appropriate paperwork. It is against the law to use a gun to make a withdrawal at the bank. Until it is legal to use a gun to make a withdrawal at the bank, this sort of withdrawal of currency from a bank is a criminal act.When it is a legal method in which to withdaw currency from a bank, I will be more than happy to apply for a gun to be able to follow the pack of gun-toting currency withdrawing maniacs. ;-)Raven-- In , environmental1st2003 <no_reply@...> wrote:>> Tell that to the hippies.> > In the meantime, let me remind you of my stance. It does seem to have > medicinal value...yet it is still illegal. When the federal government > makes it legal for medicinal use, then I won't have a problem with > people using it for medical use.> > Tom> Administrator> > > > > It is a medicine not a hippie thought expander.>FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. Check the Links section for more FAM forums.

[Guest guest]

OK. Maybe I should just shut up then.

Raven

>

> Raven, I'm sorry but I don't really see the relevance of this

analogy.

[Guest guest]

I just said *I* didn't see the relevance of the comparison. You are

naturally free to voice your opinion, just like everyone else (unless Tom

decides to put it in the rules that this topic is never to be discussed here

ever again - which I then would take to include posting articles about it).

Inger

Re: Legal/Illegal

OK. Maybe I should just shut up then.

Raven

>

> Raven, I'm sorry but I don't really see the relevance of this

analogy.

FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and

acceptance. Everyone is valued.

Check the Links section for more FAM forums.

[Guest guest]

Anything illegal is not to be discussed. In America pot is illegal

under federal law.

If everyone else stops talking about it, I will no longer post

articles.

I also authorize Beth to start busting heads if she feels so inclined.

Tom

Administrator

>

I just said *I* didn't see the relevance of the comparison. You are

naturally free to voice your opinion, just like everyone else (unless

Tom decides to put it in the rules that this topic is never to be

discussed here ever again - which I then would take to include

posting articles about it).

Inger

[Guest guest]

Tom, you will ban me before I stop talking about it.environmental1st2003 <no_reply > wrote: Anything illegal is not to be discussed. In America pot is illegal under federal law. If everyone else stops talking about it, I will no longer post articles. I also authorize Beth to start busting heads if she feels so inclined. Tom Administrator > I just said *I* didn't see the relevance of the comparison. You are naturally free to voice your opinion, just like everyone else (unless Tom decides to put it in the rules that this topic is never to be discussed here ever again - which I then would take to include posting articles about it).

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[Guest guest]

Nope,

But I am SURE Beth or one of the other mods will put you on moderation.

Let's see what happens...

Tom

Administrator

Tom, you will ban me before I stop talking about it.

[Guest guest]

,

You have a message board of your own.

If people want to talk aboutlegalizing pot, then have them join over

there.

The topic is no longer permitted here.

Tom

Administrator

Won't happen Tom..

If it does it's you asking them to now..

IF that's the case, then your twisting the rules becuase you don't

like the topic.

[Guest guest]

I'll keep talking about it, your very controlling and are lacking values and compassion. Ban me, you will have to. Your being VERY rude and stuburn.environmental1st2003 <no_reply > wrote: , You have a message board of your own.If people want to talk aboutlegalizing pot, then have them join over there.The topic is no longer permitted here.TomAdministratorWon't happen Tom..If it does it's you asking them to now..IF that's the case, then your twisting the rules becuase you don't like the topic.New Songhttp://www.aspergershosting.com/audio/Onwah.wma

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[Guest guest]

,

You're upset because I won't agree with you.

Fact is, you will never get me to agree with you on this topic.

It's illegal on the federal level. Until it becomes legal on the

federal level, I won't support it. I don't call you names or classify

you politically for your point of view. So just leave me be please.

Tom

Administrator

I'll keep talking about it, your very controlling and are lacking

values and compassion.

Ban me, you will have to.

Your being VERY rude and stuburn.

[Guest guest]

Tom your the one intruding in the conversation with who can say what

and not. I am a grown adult, the topic is in all forms of media in

the real world.

It is indeed not illegal if a doctor gives a perscription, that's

California law. Cross the state lines that differes, California has

laws that other states do not concerning other issues, should we all

become lawyers and find every top illegal to discuss if it's against

the law? No, it's illegal to conduct illegal acts, no one is

discussing the specifics of an illegal act that isn ot in question

of legality, this topic is indeed one of controversy and depending

on what level of government it differs.

Your state might differ, but the rules do not apply here unless you

decide them to.

Again, I will continue speaking about it and do not make up this

leave you alone business to subside the topic, I think yo uwent a

bit far trying to control people here.

Leave the topic alone if you yourself are not able to accept it.

It's talking, talking is not illegal but illegal topicsm ight be

considered asking where to buy it, how to produce it, not the laws

and polics of it, which are being discussed.

>

> I'll keep talking about it, your very controlling and are lacking

> values and compassion.

>

> Ban me, you will have to.

>

> Your being VERY rude and stuburn.

>

[Guest guest]

" It is indeed not illegal if a doctor gives a perscription, that's

California law. "

Federal law voids California law. The US Supreme Court decided this.

By encouaging anyone living iin your state to use it for medicinal

purposes, you are encouaging people to break federal law.

" It's talking, talking is not illegal but illegal topics might be

considered asking where to buy it, how to produce it, not the laws

and polics of it, which are being discussed. "

As I see it, illegal is illegal, so it's pointless trying to suggest

that just because it has favorable medical value that it's okay to

talk about it.

When the federal government makes it legal, we can talk about it here.

Tom

Administrator

[Guest guest]

" Supreme court cannot control the state law. "

The Supreme Court recently ruled against your point a view and said

that it can, specifically in regard to the legality of pot.

Tom

Administrator

[Guest guest]

The supreme court was not voted in by voters, it has no dictatorship. It can decide its own supreme powers over others without democratic process all it wants, still it is legal as it lacks the overture it thinks it has.Eventually it will be passed, when less republicans exist there.environmental1st2003 <no_reply > wrote: "Supreme court cannot control the state law." The Supreme Court recently ruled against your point a view and said that it can, specifically in regard to the legality of pot. Tom Administrator New Songhttp://www.aspergershosting.com/audio/Onwah.wma

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[Guest guest]

On 9 Apr 2006 ravenmagic2003 wrote:

> Anyone with a forum must agree to certain Terms of Service,

> ... If he does not, then the forum will be pulled by .

So is discussion of the political side of that issue a violation

of 's TOS?

Hmm..

search?query=medical+AND+marijuana & submit=Search

That got 91 hits. At least the first 5 were on-point. Plus the

paid advertisement on the right.

Oops, one group looked like it was devoted to houseplants:

http://us.a2.fs.com/groups/g_5393195/.HomePage/__tn_/c035.jpg?grYZsOEBe3hQn\

31e

If Tom deems it off-limits, those are the rules of the group;

not 's TOS.

- s

[Guest guest]

Then they are the rules of the group and need to be followed and

enforced, I am one of the enforcers, it stops here.

Beth

>

> > Anyone with a forum must agree to certain Terms of Service,

> > ... If he does not, then the forum will be pulled by .

>

> So is discussion of the political side of that issue a violation

> of 's TOS?

>

> Hmm..

> search?

query=medical+AND+marijuana & submit=Search

> That got 91 hits. At least the first 5 were on-point. Plus the

> paid advertisement on the right.

> Oops, one group looked like it was devoted to houseplants:

> http://us.a2.fs.com/groups/g_5393195/.HomePage/__tn_/c035.jpg?

grYZsOEBe3hQn31e

>

> If Tom deems it off-limits, those are the rules of the group;

> not 's TOS.

>

> - s

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry if I have added to this Beth, but I too have just asked

to respect the rules.

> >

> > > Anyone with a forum must agree to certain Terms of Service,

> > > ... If he does not, then the forum will be pulled by .

> >

> > So is discussion of the political side of that issue a violation

> > of 's TOS?

> >

> > Hmm..

> > search?

> query=medical+AND+marijuana & submit=Search

> > That got 91 hits. At least the first 5 were on-point. Plus the

> > paid advertisement on the right.

> > Oops, one group looked like it was devoted to houseplants:

> >

http://us.a2.fs.com/groups/g_5393195/.HomePage/__tn_/c035.jpg?

> grYZsOEBe3hQn31e

> >

> > If Tom deems it off-limits, those are the rules of the group;

> > not 's TOS.

> >

> > - s

> >

>

[Guest guest]

The rule is made up, I consider it not respecting other points of view by making up rules to suit toms points of view.It's clearly obvious.greebohere <julie.stevenson16@...> wrote: Sorry if I have added to this Beth, but I too have just asked to respect the rules. > > > > > Anyone with a forum

must agree to certain Terms of Service, > > > ... If he does not, then the forum will be pulled by . > > > > So is discussion of the political side of that issue a violation > > of 's TOS? > > > > Hmm.. > > search? > query=medical+AND+marijuana & submit=Search > > That got 91 hits. At least the first 5 were on-point. Plus the > > paid advertisement on the right. > > Oops, one group looked like it was devoted to houseplants: > > http://us.a2.fs.com/groups/g_5393195/.HomePage/__tn_/c035.jpg? > grYZsOEBe3hQn31e > > > > If Tom deems it off-limits, those are the rules of the group; > > not 's TOS. > > > > -

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[Guest guest]

The rule is made up, I consider it not respecting other points of view by making up rules to suit toms points of view.It's clearly obvious.greebohere <julie.stevenson16@...> wrote: Sorry if I have added to this Beth, but I too have just asked to respect the rules. > > > > > Anyone with a forum

must agree to certain Terms of Service, > > > ... If he does not, then the forum will be pulled by . > > > > So is discussion of the political side of that issue a violation > > of 's TOS? > > > > Hmm.. > > search? > query=medical+AND+marijuana & submit=Search > > That got 91 hits. At least the first 5 were on-point. Plus the > > paid advertisement on the right. > > Oops, one group looked like it was devoted to houseplants: > > http://us.a2.fs.com/groups/g_5393195/.HomePage/__tn_/c035.jpg? > grYZsOEBe3hQn31e > > > > If Tom deems it off-limits, those are the rules of the group; > > not 's TOS. > > > > -

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[Guest guest]

Sorry I've got to butt in again - I think you are

misinterpretting Tom. I can and do disagree with Tom sometimes, so

you are incorrect with what you are saying - Tom can accept that

people have differing opinions I know this for a fact.

I really do not understand why you are pushing this issue - it

perhaps is triggering stuff from the past for you, maybe you could

look at that (just a suggestion btw, not an order, please do not

misinterpret me either, I would rather you ask me for clarification).

>

> He is making up special rules to suit his preference of discussion.

I find it not welcoming, totalitarian and controlling.

>

> I object and strike.

>

> If he was the leader of the free world maybe everyone would have to

goto church, his church or no one elses with his views and his ways

only.

>

> Well this is the U.S, Tom you should reconsider as what you are

doing goes againsts fundimental freedoms.

>

> I will not be controlled like a child.

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry I've got to butt in again - I think you are

misinterpretting Tom. I can and do disagree with Tom sometimes, so

you are incorrect with what you are saying - Tom can accept that

people have differing opinions I know this for a fact.

I really do not understand why you are pushing this issue - it

perhaps is triggering stuff from the past for you, maybe you could

look at that (just a suggestion btw, not an order, please do not

misinterpret me either, I would rather you ask me for clarification).

>

> He is making up special rules to suit his preference of discussion.

I find it not welcoming, totalitarian and controlling.

>

> I object and strike.

>

> If he was the leader of the free world maybe everyone would have to

goto church, his church or no one elses with his views and his ways

only.

>

> Well this is the U.S, Tom you should reconsider as what you are

doing goes againsts fundimental freedoms.

>

> I will not be controlled like a child.

>

[Guest guest]

IT is not a rule, it was a special circumstance applied becuase he disagreese. The rules should not be made up for the convienance of Tom's views.Nor should he control people like this, it's disrespectfull plain and simple.Beth <dksunglsses@...> wrote: Then they are the rules of the group and need to be followed and enforced, I am one of the enforcers, it stops here. Beth > > > Anyone with a forum must agree to certain Terms of Service, > > ... If he does not, then the forum will be pulled by . > > So is discussion of the political side of that issue a violation > of 's

TOS? > > Hmm.. > search? query=medical+AND+marijuana & submit=Search > That got 91 hits. At least the first 5 were on-point. Plus the > paid advertisement on the right. > Oops, one group looked like it was devoted to houseplants: > http://us.a2.fs.com/groups/g_5393195/.HomePage/__tn_/c035.jpg? grYZsOEBe3hQn31e > > If Tom deems it off-limits, those are the rules of the group; > not 's TOS. > > - s > New Songhttp://www.aspergershosting.com/audio/Onwah.wma

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[Guest guest]

IT is not a rule, it was a special circumstance applied becuase he disagreese. The rules should not be made up for the convienance of Tom's views.Nor should he control people like this, it's disrespectfull plain and simple.Beth <dksunglsses@...> wrote: Then they are the rules of the group and need to be followed and enforced, I am one of the enforcers, it stops here. Beth > > > Anyone with a forum must agree to certain Terms of Service, > > ... If he does not, then the forum will be pulled by . > > So is discussion of the political side of that issue a violation > of 's

TOS? > > Hmm.. > search? query=medical+AND+marijuana & submit=Search > That got 91 hits. At least the first 5 were on-point. Plus the > paid advertisement on the right. > Oops, one group looked like it was devoted to houseplants: > http://us.a2.fs.com/groups/g_5393195/.HomePage/__tn_/c035.jpg? grYZsOEBe3hQn31e > > If Tom deems it off-limits, those are the rules of the group; > not 's TOS. > > - s > New Songhttp://www.aspergershosting.com/audio/Onwah.wma

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[Guest guest]

What has made me upset is Tom has used numerious excuses to subside the topic. HE desires to control it, I push the issue as I feel it is might right to say it, him removing that right is disrespect. HE comes from different angularities in excuses to stop the topic. None of which are proper or were proper but just dictating the say with numerious frivilious excuses.greebohere <julie.stevenson16@...> wrote: Sorry I've got to butt in again - I think you are misinterpretting Tom. I can and do disagree with Tom sometimes, so you are incorrect with what you are saying - Tom can accept that people have differing opinions I know this for a fact. I really do not understand why you are pushing this issue - it perhaps is triggering stuff from the past for you, maybe you could

look at that (just a suggestion btw, not an order, please do not misinterpret me either, I would rather you ask me for clarification). > > He is making up special rules to suit his preference of discussion. I find it not welcoming, totalitarian and controlling. > > I object and strike. > > If he was the leader of the free world maybe everyone would have to goto church, his church or no one elses with his views and his ways only. > > Well this is the U.S, Tom you should reconsider as what you are doing goes againsts fundimental freedoms. > > I will not be controlled like a child. > New Songhttp://www.aspergershosting.com/audio/Onwah.wma

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[Guest guest]

Young wrote:

> IT is not a rule, it was a special circumstance applied becuase he

> disagreese. The rules should not be made up for the convienance of Tom's

> views.

>

> Nor should he control people like this, it's disrespectfull plain and

> simple.

I am new to this list and weighing in late. I do have lots of experience

and knowledge with lists. I run several myself. Here are some

points to keep in mind.

A list is privately owned. It may have been created for a group

but the owner, in this case Tom has absolute and ultimate say in what is

acceptable. There certainly were no TOS violations but that is

irrelevant. Tom has every right to set whatever rules he chooses. By

doing so he is not controlling people, only the content of his list. It

really does not matter how you or anyone else feels about it.

You can choose to abide by his rules or you can leave the list. The

choice is yours. You do not have the right to debate the merits of his

rules on the list unless he gives you that right. You can always choose

to start your own list. That way you get to make the rules.

Ace

[Guest guest]

Hi Ace,

Welcome to the forum.

The group had been getting a little to out of sorts for my own

liking and I decided that the more contraversial topics ought to be

halted so we can return to talking about AS and AS related

conditions.

It's hard to support others when people are arguing strongly about

personal convictions. No one can resolve differences very easily

when they hold their convictions so closely to their hearts.

This forum and the other FAM forums ought to be devoid of the type

of petty bickering and squabbles that we see on other message

boards. Calmness, safety, and a retreat from other message boards

was the reason for their creation.

It's time to get back to basics and give folks support in regard to

AS whenever we can.

Tom

Administrator

I am new to this list and weighing in late. I do have lots of

experience and knowledge with lists. I run several myself.

Here are some points to keep in mind.

A list is privately owned. It may have been created for a group

but the owner, in this case Tom has absolute and ultimate say in

what is acceptable. There certainly were no TOS violations but

that is irrelevant. Tom has every right to set whatever rules he

chooses. By doing so he is not controlling people, only the content

of his list. It really does not matter how you or anyone else feels

about it.

You can choose to abide by his rules or you can leave the list. The

choice is yours. You do not have the right to debate the merits of

his rules on the list unless he gives you that right. You can always

choose to start your own list. That way you get to make the rules.

Ace