Re: Da Vinci Academy

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Inger:

>> Raven, you wrote: " Fancy titles as a result of post-secondary education

>> don't impress me, results do. "

>>

>> That's clearly derogatory and down-putting in my book, and not much

>> unlike

>> the sort of reception Debbie got at AI after she had managed to win over

>> the authorities by engaging media to review her case. :-(

Leif:

> No, Inger, I don't agree to that. Some Aspies, like Raven and myself,

don't judge people on fancy titles but on accomplishments (results).

And for as long as you have known me I have said pretty much the same thing,

right? But I'm not going to throw that as an insult in someone's face when

they just *accomplished* getting a degree - SO that they can run an academy

for Aspies. That IS trying to accomplish something, and that's something I

personally admire. I'm not *impressed* by titles, just genuinely happy for

e.

> I also saw the addition of " Dr " to le's name as here we have

a person that should be judged by her positions and titles instead

of her accomplishments.

It was a sort of joke on Rainbow's part, just to let us know that e's

dissertation went well. He has already explained that. Did y'all not read

that explanation? If not, please review the whole thread.

Inger

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> Leif:

> > No, Inger, I don't agree to that. Some Aspies, like Raven and myself,

> > don't judge people on fancy titles but on accomplishments (results).

>

> And for as long as you have known me I have said pretty much the same

thing,

> right? But I'm not going to throw that as an insult in someone's face when

> they just *accomplished* getting a degree - SO that they can run an

academy

> for Aspies. That IS trying to accomplish something, and that's something I

> personally admire. I'm not *impressed* by titles, just genuinely happy for

> e.

So am I, but didn't Raven also explain this in the same post?

However, I could agree with you that Aspies sometimes are not

so supportive of others achieving success. That is not very nice,

but I don't know if this is the case here. I doubt it.

> > I also saw the addition of " Dr " to le's name as here we have

> a person that should be judged by her positions and titles instead

> of her accomplishments.

>

> It was a sort of joke on Rainbow's part, just to let us know that

e's

> dissertation went well. He has already explained that. Did y'all not read

> that explanation? If not, please review the whole thread.

No, I'm afraid I only saw the " Dr " in the post, and knowing about le

I found it kind of strange. It would be better to explain what happened

to le, and say she got an doctorate degree, and not use it like

that with her name. I'd probably be insulted if somebody used my

MSc title to tell people that I'm good at computers or something.

It would imply that such a title would be necesary to achieve such

a thing and the education was why I can do it. I only see such titles

as something I can use in job interviews or in debates with NTs on

various topics.

Leif

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Re: Re: Da Vinci Academy

>> Leif:

>> > No, Inger, I don't agree to that. Some Aspies, like Raven and myself,

>> > don't judge people on fancy titles but on accomplishments (results).

>>

>> And for as long as you have known me I have said pretty much the same

>> thing,

>> right? But I'm not going to throw that as an insult in someone's face

>> when

>> they just *accomplished* getting a degree - SO that they can run an

>> academy

>> for Aspies. That IS trying to accomplish something, and that's something

>> I

>> personally admire. I'm not *impressed* by titles, just genuinely happy

>> for

>> e.

>

> So am I, but didn't Raven also explain this in the same post?

She didn't exactly sound overly happy for e...

> However, I could agree with you that Aspies sometimes are not

so supportive of others achieving success. That is not very nice,

but I don't know if this is the case here. I doubt it.

You, Tom & Raven clearly misinterpreted Rainbow's remark. That can happen.

But after the mistake has been explained, can't one at least expect you guys

to not continue to disbelieve Rainbow's intentions?

>> > I also saw the addition of " Dr " to le's name as here we have

>> a person that should be judged by her positions and titles instead

>> of her accomplishments.

>>

>> It was a sort of joke on Rainbow's part, just to let us know that

>> e's

>> dissertation went well. He has already explained that. Did y'all not read

>> that explanation? If not, please review the whole thread.

>

> No, I'm afraid I only saw the " Dr " in the post, and knowing about le

> I found it kind of strange. It would be better to explain what happened

> to le, and say she got an doctorate degree, and not use it like

> that with her name.

I'll grant that it was perhaps a bit too cryptic for a bunch of Aspies who

have not been privy to what's been going on with e. He COULD have

spelled it out more clearly. But then Rainbow wouldn't be Rainbow; playing

with words is his forte. :-)

> I'd probably be insulted if somebody used my

> MSc title to tell people that I'm good at computers or something.

That is NOT what he was doing. Just letting us know she had passed, that's

all.

> It would imply that such a title would be necesary to achieve such

> a thing and the education was why I can do it. I only see such titles

> as something I can use in job interviews or in debates with NTs on

> various topics.

This is probably what e wants it for too. I doubt she would ever have

mentioned it here herself. I hope we haven't embarrassed her to bits by

discussing it now.

Inger

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Leif wrote: " No, Inger, I don't agree to that. Some Aspies, like

Raven and myself, don't judge people on fancy titles but on

accomplishments (results). And for as long as you have known me I

have said pretty much the same thing, right? But I'm not going to

throw that as an insult in someone's face when they just

*accomplished* getting a degree - SO that they can run an academy

for Aspies. That IS trying to accomplish something, and that's

something I personally admire. I'm not *impressed* by titles, just

genuinely happy for e. So am I, but didn't Raven also explain

this in the same post? "

>

Inger wrote: " She didn't exactly sound overly happy for e. " ..

That would be perception and projection on your part, Inger. I made

a comment based on Rainbow's comment. How I felt about it did not

enter the picture. Later on I stated that I was happy that e

had accomplished her goal; I just am not, and never will be,

impressed with titles.

You, inger, are the one who insists that a statement of fact with no

emotion involved is rudeness when it is not.

I did not see you take Rainbow to task on the many rude comments he

made to and about me. I have not asked anyone to take Rainbow to

task on his rude comments to and about me. However, my comments

regarding e ' doctorate were not in the least bit rude.

I have explained myself more than once on this subject and yet you

will not let it go which is, in itself, rude.

It's wonderful that e has set for herself a goal which

she has accomplished. I just don't see the need to make a big deal

out of " that's DOCTOR e to you. "

What one accomplishes in life -- with or without a doctorate -- is

more important than insisting on a title as Rainbow insisted.

Raven

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Inger wrote: " She didn't exactly sound overly happy for e. " ..

Raven:

> That would be perception and projection on your part, Inger.

OK, sorry if I misinterpreted. But you sure didn't *sound* overly happy for

e? You just kept reiterating not being impressed by titles. If I had

just gotten a degree, I sure would have felt such a statement like a slap in

the face. I only hope she is too busy to read the forums right now.

> I made a comment based on Rainbow's comment. How I felt about it did not

> enter the picture. Later on I stated that I was happy that e

> had accomplished her goal; I just am not, and never will be,

impressed with titles.

I don't think *anyone* can have missed that by now... Why do you feel it

necessary to repeat that over and over and over? No one ASKED you to be

impressed. In his conversation with ME, Rainbow was just bringing the happy

news, that's all, not asking you or anyone else to kiss the ground e

walks on because she got a degree.

> You, inger, are the one who insists that a statement of fact with no

> emotion involved is rudeness when it is not.

I am not saying there was emotion in it. I am saying I thought it was a rude

remark.

> I did not see you take Rainbow to task on the many rude comments he

made to and about me. I have not asked anyone to take Rainbow to

task on his rude comments to and about me.

Raven, I'm sorry, but someone needs to inform you that you keep doing this

over and over. First you're rude and snotty to people without realizing it -

or thinking you are justified in being so because you misinterpret something

someone wrote and jump to conclusions. Then, when they react to your

misinterpretation with some understandable hostility, YOU feel slighted,

even though it was you who started it. A better approach might be to ASK for

clarification before jumping to conclusions? Just a tip.

Back to the issue at hand, Rainbow said you showed signs of ignorance and

bullying, correct? Going over your exchange again now I see that even AFTER

he explained himself, you kept insisting at least 3 more times your

erroneous assumption that he was " impressed with titles " and I can't that

see as anything but bullying - or at least badgering - and yes, ignorance.

> However, my comments regarding e ' doctorate were not in the

> least bit rude.

If you rephrase that to say that you didn't INTEND for your comments to be

rude, I'll believe it. How it came across is another matter altogether. *I*

thought it sounded rude and I know I am not the only one who thought so.

However, I can see now that it was a genuine misinterpretation due to

Rainbow's phrasing and possibly not intended to sound as badly as it came

across.

> I have explained myself more than once on this subject and yet you will

> not let it go which is, in itself, rude.

Yes, very possibly so. Beth can put me on moderation if she thinks I'm out

of line. I had already had my say on the subject, but Tom, Leif and now you

keep bringing it up again and I thought it would be rude not to reply. :-)

> It's wonderful that e has set for herself a goal which

she has accomplished. I just don't see the need to make a big deal

out of " that's DOCTOR e to you. "

So you mean you still don't get it even though both Rainbow and I have tried

to explain it so many times? OK, let me try again: it was a JOKE, just a

friendly and sublte way of just letting those of us who care and have been

wondering, know that she made it. Nothing more, nothing less.

> What one accomplishes in life -- with or without a doctorate -- is more

> important than insisting on a title as Rainbow insisted.

But no one has disputed that, it's just that it is not an issue here, since

he was NOT insisting for REAL - he was MOCK " insisting " as a typical

friendly Rainbow joke/information attempt. See?

Inger