Re: Da Vinci Academy

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Rainbow:

> That's DR. e if you please.

My apologies. :-)

> Check out 'our' da Vinci Academy new web site at: http://www.thedavinciacademyworld.org/

Very nice. Though the text is cut off in every second line. Who designed the website? e also needs a better picture of herself than that one. Otherwise it looked great.

Is the school operating now or still in preparatory stages? I want to know all about it.

Inger

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Rainbow wrote: " That's DR. e if you please. "

Fancy titles as a result of post-secondary education don't impress me,

results do.

Raven

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On 8 Apr 2006 ravenmagic2003 wrote:

> Rainbow wrote: " That's DR. e if you please. "

>

> Fancy titles as a result of post-secondary education don't

> impress me, results do.

e just got her PhD, based on her SAA-RAD communication

training regimen. I can assure you she doesn't run around

telling people she's Doctor e . Actually she

probably does, just to say " I can't believe I really did it! "

- s

[Guest guest]

wasn't making a big deal about the " DR " title, Rainbow

was.

Raven

" That's DR. e if you please. "

> >

> > Fancy titles as a result of post-secondary education don't

> > impress me, results do.

>

> e just got her PhD, based on her SAA-RAD communication

> training regimen. I can assure you she doesn't run around

> telling people she's Doctor e . Actually she

> probably does, just to say " I can't believe I really did it! "

>

> - s

>

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> Inger: "Though the text is cut off in every second line. Who designed the website?"The text is okay when I read it, but I remember having a similar problem once and someone told me how to adjust 'something' on my computer so that all the text was fit into the window available. I wish I could be more help.Dr. , e, is an experienced website designer. As I understand, she and her friends are responsible for the design, which, incidentally has just been released. It is brand new, and conceivably has some bugs yet to be resolved.> "My apologies. :-)"None needed. I know she is so very proud to have achieved this goal after such a long and tedious struggle, raising two teenage boys, a husband, housekeeping, two jobs, advanced education, as well as making remarkable progress establishing a school for children both on and off 'the spectrum'. I am so very proud of her, and that was the basis of my remark. I know that e will not toot her own horn and so I am proud to let you all know in this way of her remarkable achievement.  Rainbow

[Guest guest]

> Raven: "Fancy titles as a result of post-secondary education don't impress me, results do."'Dr.' in front of e's name is the consequence of her achieving 'results'.Period!Remarks like yours simply show your ignorance.  Rainbow

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> Raven: " wasn't making a big deal about the "DR" title, Rainbow was."I was simply letting her friends know that she has just now finally achieved her long term dreamed of goal of completing her education.Her friends here have missed her and perhaps through my post will now have a way to congratulate her.Achieving goals IS a big deal for some people. Your belittling that belittles them. Akin to bullying!  Rainbow

[Guest guest]

A doctorate does not confirm results; a doctorate confirms having

attained at least minimum educational requirements and the ability

to successfully argue a dissertation. Remarks like yours, Rainbow,

show that you are easily impressed by initials that may precede or

follow a person's name. They're just letters.

Raven

>

> > Raven: " Fancy titles as a result of post-secondary education

don't

> impress me, results do. "

>

> 'Dr.' in front of e's name is the consequence of her

achieving

> 'results'.

>

> Period!

>

> Remarks like yours simply show your ignorance.

>

> Rainbow

>

[Guest guest]

That has achieved a goal she set out for herself is good. I

have no problem with people achieving success.

That I am not particularly impressed with fancy titles or initials

does not make me a bully, Rainbow.

Perhaps you have not had the good fortune of traveling in some of the

incredible environemnts I have found myself, both as a child and as an

adult. This being the case, I can understand why you might be

impressed with titles and initials.

However, your insistence that, because I am unimpressed by fancy

titles, I am a bully says far more about you than it says about me.

Raven

" Achieving goals IS a big deal for some people. Your

belittling that belittles them. Akin to bullying! "

[Guest guest]

> Raven: "....you are easily impressed by initials that may precede orfollow a person's name...."Thank you, Raven, for this observation.You couldn't be more wrong!I am impressed by RACHELE, not her degree.In this 'case' I am impressed by: Woman Mother Wife Student Educator Healer Leader VisionaryALL amply apply to e at this time.  Rainbow

[Guest guest]

That's a wonderful list, Rainbow, however none of those require a

doctorate in order to be successful. I'm glad you're impressed with

e and her accomplishments.

I'm certain you'll agree that her doctorate has nothing whatsoever

to do with her successes as a woman, as a mother, as a wife, as a

student, as an educator, as a healer, as a leader, as a visionary or

as any other position she holds.

Therefore, while the title of " Dr " impresses you, you can see where

the title itself is not what makes e the person she is. It's

a measuring stick by which her education has been measured.

Raven

P.S. Sarcasm and haughtiness do not really suit your style,

Rainbow. ;-)

>

> > Raven: " ....you are easily impressed by initials that may

precede or

> follow a person's name.... "

>

> Thank you, Raven, for this observation.

>

> You couldn't be more wrong!

>

> I am impressed by RACHELE, not her degree.

>

> In this 'case' I am impressed by:

>

> Woman

>

> Mother

>

> Wife

>

> Student

>

> Educator

>

> Healer

>

> Leader

>

> Visionary

>

> ALL amply apply to e at this time.

>

>

> Rainbow

>

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Raven:

>>> Fancy titles as a result of post-secondary education don't impress me, results do.

Raven, I find that a very snotty remark, almost bitchy, if you pardon me saying so.

Anyone who knows me knows that I've never been impressed by titles either, but e IS out there achieving results and that I find very impressive. It really saddens me when Aspies can't be supportive of each other's endeavours. Rainbow:

>> I was simply letting her friends know that she has just now finally achieved her long term dreamed of goal of completing her education.And that's how I took it. I think it's wonderful! It will certainly help her in her efforts to run the daVinci Academy since one is nothing in this modern world without a diploma, no matter how much you may have learned on your own.

Raven:

> Remarks like yours, Rainbow, show that you are easily impressed by initials that may precede or follow a person's name. They're just letters.

Raven, I think you may have misinterpreted mine and Rainbow's exchange and took the subtle message literally (that not unusual among Aspies).You made the interpretation that Rainbow is impressed by titles when he is mainly impressed that his our friend has achieved her goal. There is a difference.

And I still don't understand why you would want to put a fellow Aspie down for her achievements instead of being happy for her.

Inger

[Guest guest]

" Raven, I think you may have misinterpreted mine and

Rainbow's exchange and took the subtle message literally (that not

unusual among Aspies).You made the interpretation that Rainbow is

impressed by titles when he is mainly impressed that his our friend

has achieved her goal. There is a difference. And I still don't

understand why you would want to put a fellow Aspie down for her

achievements instead of being happy for her. "

When someone says (or writes) 'that's DOCTOR so-and-so to you'

there's very little to misinterpret, Inger.

And I didn't put her down for her achievements. I stated clearly to

Rainbow that achievements are not as a result of a doctorate

degree. The comment 'that's DOCTOR so-and-so to you' clearly shows

that the degree is much more impressive to the writer than the other

achievements that are not necessarily reliant upon the doctorate.

I put no one down for their education, successes or achievements.

That's YOUR misinterpretation of my comments.

Raven

[Guest guest]

Rainbow,

Raven was expressing her opinion.

I have been to college and have a degree myself. Lots of people get

degrees. Even one of my roommates, a cocaine snorting, pot smoking

fellow who got a DUI and who mouthed off to the cops who arrested him

got his degree...after five years (all the fraternizing at the frat

house prolonged his stay.

Anyone can get a degree.

That doesn't mean I don't think it was a great achievement for

to get hers. But I do think Raven is entitled to her opinion.

Tom

Administrator

'Dr.' in front of e's name is the consequence of her

achieving 'results'.

Period!

Remarks like yours simply show your ignorance.

Rainbow

[Guest guest]

> Inger wrote: " Raven, I think you may have misinterpreted mine and

Rainbow's exchange and took the subtle message literally (that not

unusual among Aspies).You made the interpretation that Rainbow is

impressed by titles when he is mainly impressed that his our friend

has achieved her goal. There is a difference. And I still don't

understand why you would want to put a fellow Aspie down for her

achievements instead of being happy for her. "

> When someone says (or writes) 'that's DOCTOR so-and-so to you'

there's very little to misinterpret, Inger.

Incorrect. As Rainbow has explained, he just wanted to inform of her

success, and said it tongue-in-cheek, I'm sure. I don't understand how you

can keep misinterpreting and disvelieving him after he already explained

this. Can you not accept that you missed the subtlety of this communication,

even when it has been explained to you?

> And I didn't put her down for her achievements. I stated clearly to

Rainbow that achievements are not as a result of a doctorate

degree.

Raven, you wrote: " Fancy titles as a result of post-secondary education

don't impress me, results do. "

That's clearly derogatory and down-putting in my book, and not much unlike

the sort of reception Debbie got at AI after she had managed to win over the

authorities by engaging media to review her case. :-(

> The comment 'that's DOCTOR so-and-so to you' clearly shows

that the degree is much more impressive to the writer than the other

achievements that are not necessarily reliant upon the doctorate.

It shows no such thing. That's your own interpretation.

> I put no one down for their education, successes or achievements.

That's YOUR misinterpretation of my comments.

You unequivocally put down her achieving a doctor's degree, and Rainbow for

bringing the happy news. Can't you even see how rude your comment was?

Inger

[Guest guest]

Inger and Raven,

You are both entitled to your opinions.

Personally, I don't see the need for reprimands Inger.

Tom

Administrator

" Raven, I think you may have misinterpreted mine and

Rainbow's exchange and took the subtle message literally (that not

unusual among Aspies).You made the interpretation that Rainbow is

impressed by titles when he is mainly impressed that his our friend

has achieved her goal. There is a difference. And I still don't

understand why you would want to put a fellow Aspie down for her

achievements instead of being happy for her. "

When someone says (or writes) 'that's DOCTOR so-and-so to you'

there's very little to misinterpret, Inger.

And I didn't put her down for her achievements. I stated clearly to

Rainbow that achievements are not as a result of a doctorate

degree. The comment 'that's DOCTOR so-and-so to you' clearly shows

that the degree is much more impressive to the writer than the other

achievements that are not necessarily reliant upon the doctorate.

I put no one down for their education, successes or achievements.

That's YOUR misinterpretation of my comments.

Raven

[Guest guest]

Opinions can be expressed positively, neutrally or rudely.

This one was rude, in MY opinion, and I think the rules of decent behavior

should apply equally to all members.

Inger

Re: Da Vinci Academy

Rainbow,

Raven was expressing her opinion.

I have been to college and have a degree myself. Lots of people get

degrees. Even one of my roommates, a cocaine snorting, pot smoking

fellow who got a DUI and who mouthed off to the cops who arrested him

got his degree...after five years (all the fraternizing at the frat

house prolonged his stay).

Anyone can get a degree.

That doesn't mean I don't think it was a great achievement for

to get hers. But I do think Raven is entitled to her opinion.

Tom

Administrator

'Dr.' in front of e's name is the consequence of her

achieving 'results'.

Period!

Remarks like yours simply show your ignorance.

Rainbow

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[Guest guest]

Perhaps you need glasses..?

Inger

Re: Da Vinci Academy

Inger and Raven,

You are both entitled to your opinions.

Personally, I don't see the need for reprimands Inger.

Tom

Administrator

[Guest guest]

" I don't understand how you can keep misinterpreting and disvelieving

him after he already explained this. Can you not accept that you

missed the subtlety of this communication, even when it has been

explained to you? "

Inger, do we put down because some of his posts have

vocabulary and diction that goes against common English usage.

processes the way he process. Raven processes the way she processes.

Raven said:

" Fancy titles as a result of post-secondary education don't impress

me, results do. "

Inger replied:

" That's clearly derogatory and down-putting in my book, and not much

unlike the sort of reception Debbie got at AI after she had managed

to win over the authorities by engaging media to review her case. :-( "

Raven teaches classes at university and is an accomplished and well-

traveled musician. Yet she isn't asking anyone to call

her " Professor " is she?

Raven is in a position to know better than most of us that having a

college degree doesn't really mean much but results do. It's that

simple.

Thus:

" The comment 'that's DOCTOR so-and-so to you' clearly shows that the

degree is much more impressive to the writer than the other

achievements that are not necessarily reliant upon the doctorate. "

Raven said:

" I put no one down for their education, successes or achievements.

That's YOUR misinterpretation of my comments. "

Inger replied:

" You unequivocally put down her achieving a doctor's degree, and

Rainbow for bringing the happy news. Can't you even see how rude your

comment was? "

As she says, this is YOUR interpretation.

And I, personally will be dag-nabbed before I will call Dr.

Tom

Administrator

[Guest guest]

Inger said:

" Opinions can be expressed positively, neutrally or rudely. "

I agree.

" This one was rude, in MY opinion,... "

I disagree, but do feel that your persisting with this argument

is...rude.

" ...and I think the rules of decent behavior should apply equally to

all members. "

I agree. So let the subject drop please.

Tom

Administrator

[Guest guest]

Inger,

You accused Raven of being rude. Look at your comment below.

It's a jab, and it was given by you and directed at me because I

disagree with your opinion.

I have noticed that whenever someone disagrees with something you

feel STRONGLY about, not only do you disagree with it, but you throw

in those jabs.

You have the right to disagree. Not jab.

Tom

Administrator

Perhaps you need glasses..?

Inger

Re: Da Vinci Academy

Inger and Raven,

You are both entitled to your opinions.

Personally, I don't see the need for reprimands Inger.

Tom

Administrator

[Guest guest]

Apologies for the jab. I'll try to refrain from such in the future.

In this case it was meant half jokingly since you said you couldn't SEE what

I thought was impossible to miss.

Inger

Re: Da Vinci Academy

Inger and Raven,

You are both entitled to your opinions.

Personally, I don't see the need for reprimands Inger.

Tom

Administrator

FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and

acceptance. Everyone is valued.

Check the Links section for more FAM forums.

[Guest guest]

Inger:

> Raven, you wrote: " Fancy titles as a result of post-secondary education

> don't impress me, results do. "

>

> That's clearly derogatory and down-putting in my book, and not much unlike

> the sort of reception Debbie got at AI after she had managed to win over

the

> authorities by engaging media to review her case. :-(

No, Inger, I don't agree to that. Some Aspies, like Raven and myself,

don't judge people on fancy titles but on accomplishments (results).

I also saw the addition of " Dr " to le's name as here we have

a person that should be judged by her positions and titles instead

of her accomplishments.

Leif

[Guest guest]

has been telling us about her study. Rainbow let us know she managed

to finish it, besides all the other things she does and shares his

enthusiasm with us.

I have never seen anyone here being very impressed about titles. But that

was not the issue of Rainbows post either.

It is really nice if someone from us is capable of accomplishing things.

To share being glad for someone, is a way of being supportive.

[Guest guest]

Inger:

>> " I don't understand how you can keep misinterpreting and disvelieving

him after he already explained this. Can you not accept that you

missed the subtlety of this communication, even when it has been

explained to you? "

Tom:

> Inger, do we put down because some of his posts have

vocabulary and diction that goes against common English usage.

processes the way he process. Raven processes the way she processes.

OK, I understand that missing subtle cues is part of the AS dx. I already

stated that. But when Rainbow EXPLAINS how he meant it, she should accept

his word for it. Not doing so is about akin to calling him a liar on top of

all the other things he's been accused of lately, and I won't stand for any

more of it.

Raven said:

>>> " Fancy titles as a result of post-secondary education don't impress

me, results do. "

>

Inger replied:

>> " That's clearly derogatory and down-putting in my book, and not much

unlike the sort of reception Debbie got at AI after she had managed

to win over the authorities by engaging media to review her case. :-( "

>

Tom:

> Raven teaches classes at university and is an accomplished and well-

traveled musician. Yet she isn't asking anyone to call her " Professor " is

she?

Neither was e. And nor was Rainbow - even if it may have SEEMED like

he did. But I know his friendly, humorous, tounge-in-cheek style by now so I

took it the way he MEANT it and replied in turn, adding a smiley to show

that I got the message.

> Raven is in a position to know better than most of us that having a

college degree doesn't really mean much but results do. It's that simple.

That's totally besides the point and very uneccessary - as well as rude - to

point out. In this world, a degree DOES make it a lot easier to get

somewhere, especially if you also have talent and drive. Temple Grandin is a

good example of that. Of coruse it's no guarantee that you'll get anywhere

anyway, but I'm sure it helps. I'm sure Raven herself would not be hired as

a teacher without the proper credentials, so I really don't see what she

could possibly object to e getting hers or to e's friends

feeling happy for her.

Thus:

>>>> " The comment 'that's DOCTOR so-and-so to you' clearly shows that the

degree is much more impressive to the writer than the other

achievements that are not necessarily reliant upon the doctorate. "

>>>

Raven said:

>>> " I put no one down for their education, successes or achievements.

That's YOUR misinterpretation of my comments. "

>>

Inger replied:

>> " You unequivocally put down her achieving a doctor's degree, and

Rainbow for bringing the happy news. Can't you even see how rude your

comment was? "

>

Tom:

> As she says, this is YOUR interpretation.

Shall we make a vote who thought the comment was rude or not?

> And I, personally will be dag-nabbed before I will call Dr.

NO ONE asked you to! Least of all e! She hasn't posted here in a long

time. Can't say I blame her!

You obviously didn't get Rainbow's meaning either.

Inger