The Alien Archetype (autism, the feeling of being an alien)

March 25, 2006

Alien = outsider

Sociopsychologically the archetype resembles:

Immigration

extraterrestrial

outsider, not fitting it.

March 25, 2006

Right. That's why it is a very apt archetype, I think.

I have always felt like an alien - probably the extra-terrestrial kind,

since earth people are just plain weird no matter what country one goes to.

;-)

I don't buy into the negative scary image of the extra-terrestrials that has

become the standard Hollywood projection. I imagine them more as Klaatu,

looking similar to ourselves but with higher morals. I am acquainted with

two alleged contactees who claim that the ones they met were pretty much

like that. (Still just hearsay, of course.)

Inger

The Alien Archetype (autism, the feeling of

being an alien)

Alien = outsider

Sociopsychologically the archetype resembles:

Immigration

extraterrestrial

outsider, not fitting it.

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March 25, 2006

It would take me two pages and the patients to write about it.

I've studies what I call but cannot because I lack qualifications

people who are not of autism who desire to acclaim that they are or

that exists alien hybrids. Mostly in the UFO culture..

Is why I would like to Goto College, but not mundane introduction

classes, it annoys me.

Indipendently studied, indipendent thoughts...

>

> Right. That's why it is a very apt archetype, I think.

>

> I have always felt like an alien - probably the extra-terrestrial kind,

> since earth people are just plain weird no matter what country one

goes to.

> ;-)

>

> I don't buy into the negative scary image of the extra-terrestrials

that has

> become the standard Hollywood projection. I imagine them more as

Klaatu,

> looking similar to ourselves but with higher morals. I am acquainted

with

> two alleged contactees who claim that the ones they met were pretty

much

> like that. (Still just hearsay, of course.)

>

> Inger

>

March 25, 2006

Ah, okay, yes I definitely understand that. Seems I've spent the

majority of my life thinking if I just went somewhere else I'd fit

in better. Took me a long time to realize that feeling uncomfortable

in my own skin was going to have to be dealt with before I'd

have a chance to feel remotely at ease anywhere at all (but I'd still

have a preference for countries with separate bicycle paths, I hate

living in an auto dominated culture)(oops, wow, that came out of

nowhere didn't it? I can't help it---I live in Atlanta aka

Autogeddon).

Thanks and Inger for the clarification.

Jill

>

> Right. That's why it is a very apt archetype, I think.

>

> I have always felt like an alien - probably the extra-terrestrial

kind,

> since earth people are just plain weird no matter what country one

goes to.

> ;-)

>

> I don't buy into the negative scary image of the extra-terrestrials

that has

> become the standard Hollywood projection. I imagine them more as

Klaatu,

> looking similar to ourselves but with higher morals. I am

acquainted with

> two alleged contactees who claim that the ones they met were pretty

much

> like that. (Still just hearsay, of course.)

>

> Inger

>

March 25, 2006

I've never really had the desire to fit in, I don't feel left out.

>

> Ah, okay, yes I definitely understand that. Seems I've spent the

> majority of my life thinking if I just went somewhere else I'd fit

> in better. Took me a long time to realize that feeling uncomfortable

> in my own skin was going to have to be dealt with before I'd

> have a chance to feel remotely at ease anywhere at all (but I'd still

> have a preference for countries with separate bicycle paths, I hate

> living in an auto dominated culture)(oops, wow, that came out of

> nowhere didn't it? I can't help it---I live in Atlanta aka

> Autogeddon).

> Thanks and Inger for the clarification.

>

> >

>

March 25, 2006

Right. I never particularly wanted to fit in either. Only with my closest

friends.

Oddly enough, when I've tried joining other forums, I don't feel as at home

there as I do with the Aspies here in Tom's groups and in Leif's.

Inger

Re: The Alien Archetype (autism, the feeling of

being an alien)

Ah, it's not feeling left out, it's the constant misunderstandings

from not fitting in! Very tiring! :-)

> >

> > Ah, okay, yes I definitely understand that. Seems I've spent the

> > majority of my life thinking if I just went somewhere else I'd fit

> > in better. Took me a long time to realize that feeling

uncomfortable

> > in my own skin was going to have to be dealt with before I'd

> > have a chance to feel remotely at ease anywhere at all (but I'd

still

> > have a preference for countries with separate bicycle paths, I

hate

> > living in an auto dominated culture)(oops, wow, that came out of

> > nowhere didn't it? I can't help it---I live in Atlanta aka

> > Autogeddon).

> > Thanks and Inger for the clarification.

> >

>

> > >

> >

>

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March 25, 2006

I've always been big into escape - like getting away from anywhere I

am - often left to my own devices away from it all I am fine - but

this becomes harder as an adult with responsibilities that I must

engage in.

As a child I had various places I could hide out away from all human

contact, now it seems to track me down, even when I try to avoid it :-

( letters, phonecalls, etc - if I'd have known the full extent of

intrusion on becomming an adult I would have tried to avoid it

kicking and screaming - still it is not all bad.

Since you like Pratchett you might like Rincewind's (wizard

character) take on this, which he kind of says it's the running away

that is important bit - not the destination :-)

>

> Ah, okay, yes I definitely understand that. Seems I've spent the

> majority of my life thinking if I just went somewhere else I'd fit

> in better. Took me a long time to realize that feeling uncomfortable

> in my own skin was going to have to be dealt with before I'd

> have a chance to feel remotely at ease anywhere at all (but I'd

still

> have a preference for countries with separate bicycle paths, I hate

> living in an auto dominated culture)(oops, wow, that came out of

> nowhere didn't it? I can't help it---I live in Atlanta aka

> Autogeddon).

> Thanks and Inger for the clarification.

>

> Jill

March 25, 2006

This is the forum I have always felt the most comfortable in, it

still took me a little while to feel safe after seeing what happened

on other forums and worried that it would happen here too.

This place feels very familiar to me now and I care about the people

here and have gotten used to the different characters and is always

nice to get to know new people too (lot less scary on here than in

RL) :-)

Aspergia was the first Aspie forum I went on, but by the time I found

it things were already starting to go downhill for that message

board, however just finding a place where I was not considered a

freak and nutcase was very nice :-) Unfortunately the flame fighting

etc had already begun on Aspergia when I got there.

I remeber some from Aspergia that are here, I think and

Strict, Tom of course - have I missed anyone out? possibly Loner

Mutant?

>

> Right. I never particularly wanted to fit in either. Only with my

closest

> friends.

>

> Oddly enough, when I've tried joining other forums, I don't feel as

at home

> there as I do with the Aspies here in Tom's groups and in Leif's.

>

> Inger

March 25, 2006

Hello, -

Yes, those mundane introduction classes can be tedious, I agree. It

wasn't until I studied music that I managed to tolerate them---it

helped enormously to have a group of people as passionate as myself

to share the burden. Have you considered going to school for music? I

can tell from your posts that you are extremely passionate about it.

I'm not quite sure what you mean about " people who are not of autism

who desire to acclaim that they are or that exists alien hybrids " ?

Does this mean that you do not believe that Autism occurs on a

spectrum? Do you believe that many claim to be Autistic and are not?

What would they gain by doing so?

Jill

>

> It would take me two pages and the patients to write about it.

>

> I've studies what I call but cannot because I lack qualifications

> people who are not of autism who desire to acclaim that they are or

> that exists alien hybrids. Mostly in the UFO culture..

> Is why I would like to Goto College, but not mundane introduction

> classes, it annoys me.

>

> Indipendently studied, indipendent thoughts...

>

March 25, 2006

exterritorial = extraterrestrial

>

> In the UFO culture there exists theories that extraterrestrial

implanted humans with alien DNA.

>

> Some say that political figures are actually part exterritorial.

>

> With autism the alien archetypical reference is clear, whereas with

the ufo culture it stems from conspiracy ideas.

>

> ---------------------------------------------------------

>

> To claim to be autistic and not would likely be to influence a

politic. Such as if an organization wanted something changed

concerning a general P.V it could theretically do so by acting as one

or more.

>

> Which reminds me why would any autism group have a leader claim to

be a Satanist, it seems to be counter-active. Yet such things really

are not my concern simply because the if's are possibilities, such as

with conspiracy theory it is not of fact, rather imagination.

>

> I am not an autism expert, most of things I cannot respond to. To

me it is a label not an identity, in a severe sense the label and the

identity combined with " beliefs " make groups into cults.

>

> Yet that is only truthful when there is only limited ways to

perceive in accordance to the group ideology, otherwise it is not welcome.

>

> ------------------

>

> I have a bad hand, so I can only do certain instruments, I always

wanted to learn the piano and guitar, mostly the piano. It is math, it

is focus and I might be able to do it still. I cannot read music notes

and like making things up as I go.

>

March 25, 2006

I have heard about alien DNA somewhere now that you are refreshing my

memory. It didn't concern me because my view of creation includes any

aliens---they have the same creator that I do, in the same way that

we are all human, so are we all children of the creator whether we

are of this planet or another.

You are putting a great deal of effort into your advocacy efforts,

aren't you? You must be very strong minded. I admire your efforts.

I'm sorry to hear about your hand. Sounds as though you haven't let

it prevent you from doing a great deal with music! If there is a

community college that offers music near you, please consider

speaking with someone in the department. They might be willing to

work with you, especially considering the compositions you are putting

together. I didn't think I would be able to study music because I had

given up piano at 16 but the department was willing to work with me.

Patterns and relationships, you're right, it is math. At least,

that's the math it is for me. Maybe find someone with an interest in

AS/autism who is interested in music therapy? Maybe a graduate

student who would trade with you, their experiences for yours? Music

was my door back into formal education. I can't recommend it highly

enough.

I cannot comment on Satanism as I have no personal knowledge of it.

Jill

Hello, -

>

> Yes, those mundane introduction classes can be tedious, I agree.

It

> wasn't until I studied music that I managed to tolerate them---it

> helped enormously to have a group of people as passionate as

myself

> to share the burden. Have you considered going to school for

music? I

> can tell from your posts that you are extremely passionate about

it.

>

> I'm not quite sure what you mean about " people who are not of

autism

> who desire to acclaim that they are or that exists alien hybrids " ?

> Does this mean that you do not believe that Autism occurs on a

> spectrum? Do you believe that many claim to be Autistic and are

not?

> What would they gain by doing so?

>

> Jill

>

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March 25, 2006

School is a new place with new situations. While in high schoo my mind

was always mixed up from going to one place to another. I'd like to

stay in one place, be familurized with the same people and as I get

more comfortible with it just listen to lectures freely.

I wouldl ike to write papers then have teachers read them and write

back to me concerning what I wrote. While getting credit is not vitial

it still is motivating.

Creationism indicated origination...

1. Everything cannot come from nothing and have that nothing become

all things.

2. More so the concept and invisioned reality of orgination has to do

with mind, not product of the universe externa from thought origination.

There is no paradox, just limitations to perception and the fact of

the minds origination. I speak of ultimate origination and not

origination of random things, perhapsl ike this solar system, it was

product of another event.

The origination and or originator complex is seemingly to most

impossible to understand.

>

> I have heard about alien DNA somewhere now that you are refreshing my

> memory. It didn't concern me because my view of creation includes any

> aliens---they have the same creator that I do, in the same way that

> we are all human, so are we all children of the creator whether we

> are of this planet or another.

>

> You are putting a great deal of effort into your advocacy efforts,

> aren't you? You must be very strong minded. I admire your efforts.

>

> I'm sorry to hear about your hand. Sounds as though you haven't let

> it prevent you from doing a great deal with music! If there is a

> community college that offers music near you, please consider

> speaking with someone in the department. They might be willing to

> work with you, especially considering the compositions you are putting

> together. I didn't think I would be able to study music because I had

> given up piano at 16 but the department was willing to work with me.

> Patterns and relationships, you're right, it is math. At least,

> that's the math it is for me. Maybe find someone with an interest in

> AS/autism who is interested in music therapy? Maybe a graduate

> student who would trade with you, their experiences for yours? Music

> was my door back into formal education. I can't recommend it highly

> enough.

>

> I cannot comment on Satanism as I have no personal knowledge of it.

>

> Jill

March 25, 2006