Re: Adult Forum Needed for Adult Topics

[Guest guest]

Tom,

I thought you asked for an end to discussing this topic? Then you ought to

not continue it yourself, and especially not make nasty remarks about it

where you again appear to think you are telepathic and can determine the

motives of other people.

Clearly you are not a very good mind-reader because you are dead wrong. Leif

IS scientifically interested in it even though he is not into it himself. I

am no longer into it but feel compelled to inform how it works when I see

gross misconceptions about it, or get direct questions, just like I would

with any other subject.

I also already KNOW who here is into it because they have said so ages ago,

so that was not my motive, and I doubt it was Kajira's. At least we are open

and at ease about our disposition, and don't need to hide behind some mask

of saintliness. Of course, we don't necessarily need to go talking about it

either, if people don't wish to hear. (But don't ASK then, folks!)

I also already said that I found innocent and did not take offence at

his comments. It's all sorted out and water under the bridge - or was, until

you had to add your rude and unnecessary comments - which, unlike 's,

ARE judgemental and personally insulting. I expect an apology.

As for it being a sexual deviance, well duh! Who said it wasn't? What's your

point?

Inger

Re: Adult Forum Needed for Adult Topics

What's low class is when someone posts to the board revealing their

entire sexual repotoire under the guise of scientific relevency when

in reality, all they are trying to do is find out if others get their

rocks off in the same way.

is innocent. He can see through this thin veneer.

He also knows what the psychological profession says: BDSM is

sexually deviant behavior. So why do we have to have a huge

discussion about it?

From the American Medical Association's Home Medical Encyclopedia,

Volume One: A-H Editor: B. Clayman, MD. Copyright 1989 by

Dorling Kindersley Limited and the American Medical Association,

Random House, New York p.348:

" Deviation, Sexual. A form of behavior in which intercourse between

adults is not the final aim. Instead, the man (deviation is rare in

women) achieves erection and orgasm in other ways, such as by being

whipped or wearing women's clothes. Forms of sexual deviation include

ehhibitionism, transvestitism, fetishism, frottage, necrophilia,

pedophilia, sadism, and masochism.

Tom

Administrator

>

Nor to make the others feel jelious of morals and values of a higher

class.

FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and

acceptance. Everyone is valued.

Check the Links section for more FAM forums.

[Guest guest]

Thank you Inger.

You seem to always be able to write in words what my reaction is to those

kind of posts. I am glad you do.

Lida

Inger wrote:

Tom,

I thought you asked for an end to discussing this topic? Then you ought to

not continue it yourself, and especially not make nasty remarks about it

where you again appear to think you are telepathic and can determine the

motives of other people.

Clearly you are not a very good mind-reader because you are dead wrong. Leif

IS scientifically interested in it even though he is not into it himself. I

am no longer into it but feel compelled to inform how it works when I see

gross misconceptions about it, or get direct questions, just like I would

with any other subject.

I also already KNOW who here is into it because they have said so ages ago,

so that was not my motive, and I doubt it was Kajira's. At least we are open

and at ease about our disposition, and don't need to hide behind some mask

of saintliness. Of course, we don't necessarily need to go talking about it

either, if people don't wish to hear. (But don't ASK then, folks!)

I also already said that I found innocent and did not take offence at

his comments. It's all sorted out and water under the bridge - or was, until

you had to add your rude and unnecessary comments - which, unlike 's,

ARE judgemental and personally insulting. I expect an apology.

As for it being a sexual deviance, well duh! Who said it wasn't? What's your

point?

Inger

Re: Adult Forum Needed for Adult Topics

What's low class is when someone posts to the board revealing their

entire sexual repotoire under the guise of scientific relevency when

in reality, all they are trying to do is find out if others get their

rocks off in the same way.

is innocent. He can see through this thin veneer.

He also knows what the psychological profession says: BDSM is

sexually deviant behavior. So why do we have to have a huge

discussion about it?

From the American Medical Association's Home Medical Encyclopedia,

Volume One: A-H Editor: B. Clayman, MD. Copyright 1989 by

Dorling Kindersley Limited and the American Medical Association,

Random House, New York p.348:

" Deviation, Sexual. A form of behavior in which intercourse between

adults is not the final aim. Instead, the man (deviation is rare in

women) achieves erection and orgasm in other ways, such as by being

whipped or wearing women's clothes. Forms of sexual deviation include

ehhibitionism, transvestitism, fetishism, frottage, necrophilia,

pedophilia, sadism, and masochism.

Tom

Administrator

>

Nor to make the others feel jelious of morals and values of a higher

class.

FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and

acceptance. Everyone is valued.

Check the Links section for more FAM forums.

[Guest guest]

Now this might seem controversial to some - but I hope at 17 my son

does know what BDSM is - not to be involved in it, but to be aware of

what is out there and to be aware of the facts and dangers - I never

shy away from any topics with my son.

To avoid topics with him would make him more curious (and he is very

inquisitive by nature) and he would be more inclined to know and go

and find out by possibly putting himself in danger.

" I can appreciate what you're getting at, , but

at

> the same time, doesn't it depend on how it is discussed? If I'm not

> mistaken, isn't there a family forum available? Very considerate of

> you to think of it, however. "

>

> While there is indeed a Family Forum available, Jill, people like

> Toni's twins -- who are 17 -- read the posts in Society. At 17,

they

> are not parents of Asplings and therefore, may not benefit from the

> sorts of discussions that are apt to be found in the Family Forum.

>

> They could, however, benefit greatly from of the topics that are

> discussed in Society ... with some exceptions such as the BDSM

> discussion.

>

> Raven

> Co-Administrator of the FAM Family Forum

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/24/2006 9:54:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, jillipep@... writes:

It is interesting that you speak of the valuesand morals of a higher class? My parents were extremely concerned about these things and were considered lower to middle class. I grewup in the Southern Baptist Church. When I went to a very wealthy private Catholic high school, I discovered that the upper classes were much less concerned with these things. I'm not saying that youare wrong, only that different people have different values and it isnot always a reflection of class. Or were you meaning something different? Would you think it low class if I were to ask your opinionabout aspie sexual tendencies? Just as an example of speaking aboutsomething to do with sex in a (hopefully) inoffensive manner? Can wetalk about sex as biology?

Class is a somewhat misunderstood concept. Social class is based on things like income and status in the community. Real class is harder to define because it is something a person either has or doesn't have, an intangible that can't be pointed to like a car or bank account. It can be detected as much in one's natural bearing and demeanor as projected by one's actions and behavior.

There are so many examples of classes people that it is hard to choose just one. I would say that that Larry the Cable Guy who has a new movie out would be archetypical though. As for someone who actualy has class in the public arena, I'm not really sure. Class can be faked with effort, at least to an extent. if I think of one I'll mention them.

[Guest guest]

Re:

> All we need to know is that it is " Deviation, Sexual. "

That suggests a possible answer. If everyone here agrees that messages

on these subjects will have in their subject-lines the phrase

" Deviation, Sexual " (or some other mutually-agreed-upon word,

symbol, or phrase), then those not wishing to see those messages

can set up their e-mail filters to automatically trash any messages

whose subject-lines include that word/phrase/symbol topic-designator.

Sending messages which included sexual content but did not include the

speciified subject-line topic-designator should put one on moderation.

I have seen similar arrangements working on other listservs that

had sensitive/emotional/frightening/controversial topics which some

members wanted to discuss but which other members did not want to see

discussed.

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[Guest guest]

Kate,

My post 22280 was not a threat it is what I intend to do. This is a

final warning. Please read the post. This is not an approprate

place for those kinds of conversations. If they are to exist it will

have to be someplace else.

Beth

>

> Re:

>

>

> > All we need to know is that it is " Deviation, Sexual. "

>

> That suggests a possible answer. If everyone here agrees that

messages

> on these subjects will have in their subject-lines the phrase

> " Deviation, Sexual " (or some other mutually-agreed-upon word,

> symbol, or phrase), then those not wishing to see those messages

> can set up their e-mail filters to automatically trash any messages

> whose subject-lines include that word/phrase/symbol topic-

designator.

> Sending messages which included sexual content but did not include

the

> speciified subject-line topic-designator should put one on

moderation.

> I have seen similar arrangements working on other listservs that

> had sensitive/emotional/frightening/controversial topics which some

> members wanted to discuss but which other members did not want to

see

> discussed.

>

>

> Yours for better letters,

> Kate Gladstone

> Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest

> handwritingrepair@...

> http://learn.to/handwrite,

http://www.global2000.net/handwritingrepair

> 325 South Manning Boulevard

> Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA

> telephone 518/482-6763

> AND REMEMBER ...

> you can order books through my site!

> (Amazon.com link -

> I get a 5% - 15% commission on each book sold)

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Raven. Guess I need to go read the forum guidelines.

Jill

" I can appreciate what you're getting at, , but

at

> the same time, doesn't it depend on how it is discussed? If I'm not

> mistaken, isn't there a family forum available? Very considerate of

> you to think of it, however. "

>

> While there is indeed a Family Forum available, Jill, people like

> Toni's twins -- who are 17 -- read the posts in Society. At 17,

they

> are not parents of Asplings and therefore, may not benefit from the

> sorts of discussions that are apt to be found in the Family Forum.

>

> They could, however, benefit greatly from of the topics that are

> discussed in Society ... with some exceptions such as the BDSM

> discussion.

>

> Raven

> Co-Administrator of the FAM Family Forum

>

[Guest guest]

Re:

> My post 22280 was not a threat it is what I intend to do.

Threats announce what one intends to do, not what one doesn't intend to do.

I therefore regard your statement as self-contradictory.

That doesn't change my seeing the reason behind your threat, and

agreeing with it (given that these conversations don't belong here).

Yours for better letters,

Kate Gladstone

Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest

handwritingrepair@...

http://learn.to/handwrite, http://www.global2000.net/handwritingrepair

325 South Manning Boulevard

Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA

telephone 518/482-6763

AND REMEMBER ...

you can order books through my site!

(Amazon.com link -

I get a 5% - 15% commission on each book sold)

[Guest guest]

Threats and Intentions are two different things, as an intelliegent human being I would think that you would see that. but obviously not. It was a warning, and I will carry it out if need be.Kate Gladstone <handwritingrepair@...> wrote: Re:> My post 22280 was not a threat it is what I intend to do.Threats announce what one intends to do, not what one doesn't intend to do.I therefore regard your statement as self-contradictory.That doesn't change my seeing the reason behind your threat, andagreeing with it (given that these conversations don't belong here). Yours for better letters, Kate Gladstone Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest handwritingrepair@... http://learn.to/handwrite, http://www.global2000.net/handwritingrepair 325 South Manning Boulevard Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA telephone 518/482-6763 AND REMEMBER ... you can order books through my site! (Amazon.com link - I get a 5% - 15% commission on each book sold)

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Threats and Intentions are two different things, as an intelliegent human being I would think that you would see that. but obviously not. It was a warning, and I will carry it out if need be.Kate Gladstone <handwritingrepair@...> wrote: Re:> My post 22280 was not a threat it is what I intend to do.Threats announce what one intends to do, not what one doesn't intend to do.I therefore regard your statement as self-contradictory.That doesn't change my seeing the reason behind your threat, andagreeing with it (given that these conversations don't belong here). Yours for better letters, Kate Gladstone Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest handwritingrepair@... http://learn.to/handwrite, http://www.global2000.net/handwritingrepair 325 South Manning Boulevard Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA telephone 518/482-6763 AND REMEMBER ... you can order books through my site! (Amazon.com link - I get a 5% - 15% commission on each book sold)

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Where I live and places I have lived there is some very bad

behaviour, I have not really gotten involved into much of what was

around.

Swearing being the classic example - I dislike swearing, I do

occasionally let the odd swear word slip - especially when

particulary riled/angry, but the majority around where I live swear

every other word and in public too - is this the kind of thing you

refer to as class? I suppose I was I was brought up not to swear and

have consideration etc, but my family are by no means wealthy.

>

>

> In a message dated 3/24/2006 9:54:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> jillipep@... writes:

>

> It is interesting that you speak of the values

> and morals of a higher class? My parents were extremely concerned

> about these things and were considered lower to middle class. I

grew

> up in the Southern Baptist Church. When I went to a very wealthy

> private Catholic high school, I discovered that the upper classes

> were much less concerned with these things. I'm not saying that you

> are wrong, only that different people have different values and it

is

> not always a reflection of class. Or were you meaning something

> different? Would you think it low class if I were to ask your

opinion

> about aspie sexual tendencies? Just as an example of speaking about

> something to do with sex in a (hopefully) inoffensive manner? Can

we

> talk about sex as biology?

>

>

>

> Class is a somewhat misunderstood concept. Social class is based on

things

> like income and status in the community. Real class is harder to

define because

> it is something a person either has or doesn't have, an intangible

that

> can't be pointed to like a car or bank account. It can be detected

as much in

> one's natural bearing and demeanor as projected by one's actions

and behavior.

>

> There are so many examples of classes people that it is hard to

choose just

> one. I would say that that Larry the Cable Guy who has a new movie

out would

> be archetypical though. As for someone who actualy has class in

the public

> arena, I'm not really sure. Class can be faked with effort, at

least to an

> extent. if I think of one I'll mention them.

>

>

>