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, you're a great inspiration for cleaning up one's body! I need to do that before I start, I know I'll feel better. This old body must have antique toxins hiding in the fat cells. lol I want to make this round of treatment successful and as comfortable as I can make it, so will "detox" to start. What did you use? My dd used a product that she paid big bucks for and I don't want to pay that much. Are there cheaper and efficient/effective products on the market? Sharon <marvindamartian05@...> wrote: Kerri~I was feeling just like you describe until a few week ago - I detoxedmy body and started taking supplements and vitamins, etc., and this isthe most important thing...drinking LOTS of water. I feel almostnormal again! I know it's

mainly the hydration, because yesterday Ihad to drive up to Pasadena for a meeting, and didn't drink my usualamount of water (didn't want to have to make multiple stops!) and by 4in the afternoon, I was just shot!I won't be able to start treatment until at least April due toinsurance issues, so I am trying to get, and stay as healthy aspossible beforehand. Since I detoxed (not only stopped alcohol, fastfood, processed food, etc but also got them out of my system!) andstarted "super-hydrating", it has made all the difference.I know that ALL of the junk isn't out of my body (fat cells storetoxins for years) but much of it is. While you are detoxing, you willfeel like crap...I warn you. Your skin will break out, you will havediarrhea, BUT that is the body ridding itself of poison. While you aregetting rid of poison and replacing it with good stuff (water, organicfood, supplements) your body goes through a

transition period and thenyou come out "on the other side"...feeling much better. I now have nocraving for alcohol, fast food, etc. I tried to take a bite of awhopper a few weeks ago, and it tasted like garbage. Couldn't wait toget a hold of some fruit salad!I have lost 11 lbs, and someone at work said to me the other day "whatare you doing? you look great!". Just 2 months ago I looked bloated,dark circles under eyes, etc. Now skin is glowing, eyes are clear,weight is finally coming off. I am starting to feel less like a"person with a disease", and now I feel like socializing again.Good Luck!

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i agree,but im no doc eather. <marvindamartian05@...> wrote: Sharon, I am not a big proponent of "products", especially if you are tryingto accomplish what is essentially a simple act. So, I did not buy anyof those "liver cleanse" products in the stores! Many of them justencourage diarrhea, and you don't need to spend $12 on THAT!I am not saying that they are "bad", it's just that if you take sometime to study all of the labels, they mainly contain things such assilymarin (milk

thistle), dandelion, choline and lots of other thingsthat I have already integrated into my diet and supplement "plan". Iam not advocating that you do what I do (check with your doctor), andLord knows I an not a health professional, but I read a lot. And Ikeep to the KISS principle.I learned that the function of the liver is to cleanse, so you wouldbe "cleansing the cleanser" if you do what many of these "livercleanse" products advise. Sounds kinda funny! Also it's a short termsolution. So what I did was make the liver better able to it's job bycommitting to a lifestyle change that will be perpetual...not just aweekend "when-I-can-stay-near-the-bathroom" type of thing. Of course,in the beginning, that's exactly what it is, as you are taking inmainly liquid to try and flush out as many toxins that way as you can.There are some books out there (such as Dr. Cabot's book), andlots of good

info in them, but often the author has some side agenda,such as selling their own "liver tonic" or what have you. A reallygreat book (and it does also recommend certain products, but the tiein isn't obvious) is The Hep C Help Book. One of the authors, Dr. Gishis an ESTEEMED liver doc up in San Francisco, and the other author isa TCM (traditional Chinese Medicine) expert. They mention a lot ofexcellent food for the liver. So, get a book that not only talks about"detoxing", but about "liver health" in particular. You aren't analcoholic or drug addict just trying to clean yourself up after abinge, you are a person with a chronic illness who is making alifestyle change.It's not only by eliminating waste that your body cleanses itself oftoxins, but through the pores as well. If you can get to a sauna (TheHep C Help book advocates a dry sauna, I believe - as opposed to asteam bath), it is great to do this. Exercising,

to the extentpossible, will also make you sweat. Obviously, while you do all ofthis expelling of toxins, you are also putting good stuff into yourbody, such as water of course, but I also take about 2 oz ofwheatgrass a day (fresh squeezed). All of the grasses (barley grass,wheat grass, etc.) are great for the liver. If you can't get freshsqueezed, go to the health food store and get some "super green" orother green foods supplement, or Odwalla Super Food juice.I am writing too much, sorry to ramble...just one last thing...soda(cokes for those in the South, pop for mid-westerners) is one of theWORST things you can put into your body, along with processed meatswhich contain nitrates. The junk in these "foods" stays in your fatcells and contibute to the development of cancer, deplete the calciumin your bones, etc. Get this junk OUT of you, and DO NOT put anymorein! I used to love my Diet Pepsi, but I love my

pomagranate juice evenmore because of the good it does for my body.Hope that helps!> Kerri~> > I was feeling just like you describe until a few week ago - I detoxed> my

body and started taking supplements and vitamins, etc., and this is> the most important thing...drinking LOTS of water. I feel almost> normal again! I know it's mainly the hydration, because yesterday I> had to drive up to Pasadena for a meeting, and didn't drink my usual> amount of water (didn't want to have to make multiple stops!) and by 4> in the afternoon, I was just shot!> > I won't be able to start treatment until at least April due to> insurance issues, so I am trying to get, and stay as healthy as> possible beforehand. Since I detoxed (not only stopped alcohol, fast> food, processed food, etc but also got them out of my system!) and> started "super-hydrating", it has made all the difference.> > I know that ALL of the junk isn't out of my body (fat cells store> toxins for years) but much of it is. While you are detoxing, you will> feel like crap...I warn

you. Your skin will break out, you will have> diarrhea, BUT that is the body ridding itself of poison. While you are> getting rid of poison and replacing it with good stuff (water, organic> food, supplements) your body goes through a transition period and then> you come out "on the other side"...feeling much better. I now have no> craving for alcohol, fast food, etc. I tried to take a bite of a> whopper a few weeks ago, and it tasted like garbage. Couldn't wait to> get a hold of some fruit salad!> > I have lost 11 lbs, and someone at work said to me the other day "what> are you doing? you look great!". Just 2 months ago I looked bloated,> dark circles under eyes, etc. Now skin is glowing, eyes are clear,> weight is finally coming off. I am starting to feel less like a> "person with a disease", and now I feel like socializing again.> > Good Luck! > >

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And I have to find a new GI before I ever consider it, can you EVEN imagine.. It was sure best that I never got started on tx yet... Wishing you the best! Sheena <marvindamartian05@...> wrote: That will be cool! It sound funny but I can't wait for my first shot!!I want to let this dragon know that i mean business. First I have

tolet the insurance company know that i mean business, lol!> > > > >> > > > > Hi Sue,> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the nice welcome. > > > > > > > > > > I stopped drinking in the early 90's after a bad alcohol > > > > experience. Two (strong) drinks knocked me on my butt and I was > > > sick > > > > for several days afterwards. That was enough for me so I haven't > > > had > > >

> an alcoholic beverage since. Makes me wonder if the disease was > > > > present at that time.... probably!> > > > > > > > > > I'll be considering everything that I eat, drink or medicate > > > with > > > > very carefully from now on. I just wish I could have found out > > > about > > > > this much, much earlier. I'm hoping that if there is liver damage > > > > that it'll be minimal or none at all.> > > > > > > > > > I've gotten hold of a few meditation CDs to try to reducestress > > > > and will be giving one or two a try later today. I don't work > > > outside > > > > of our home so that's a plus in a lot of ways insofar as this > > > disease > > > > is concerned. I do some website maintenance and graphic editing > >

> here > > > > at home on occasion and those tasks can be done at myconvenience -> > > > > > > this is good, too.> > > > > > > > > > I'll be paying very close attention to all posts within the > > > group! > > > > I'm sure I'm going to learn lots from everyone here. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again,> > > > > > > > > > -Laurie> > > > > > > > > > Re: Intro> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Laurie!> > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome to the Group! You are in the right place...I wasright > > > > where> > > > > > you are just 3 months ago - shocked, scared and confused. I > > > will > > > > tell> > > > > > you that knowledge is power for sure. This group will helpyou > > > a> > > > > > lot,and I also encourage you to find a support group in your > > > area.> > > > > > > > > > > > If you haven't already - Stop drinking alcohol, even Nyquil, > > > > etc.! And> > > > > > start eating medicinally, remembering everything you consume, > > > > inhale,> > > > > > etc. can either help or hurt

your liver.> > > > > > > > > > > > Read everything you can, and get used to to the idea that you > > > MUST> > > > > > become your own advocate for your health. Don't be surprised > > > if, > > > > at> > > > > > times, you feel like you know more about your body, symptoms > > > and > > > > the> > > > > > disease than your own doctor.> > > > > > > > > > > > Be positive, and embrace your faith in God. This will help > > > more > > > > than> > > > > > you can imagine. Learn to breathe, really breathe, in through > > > your> > > > > > nose, and out through your mouth. Not only will this relax > > > you, it> > > > > > actually massages

and stimulates the liver!> > > > > > > > > > > > I know it is hard to relax, but you have to - stress weakens > > > the> > > > > > immune system and that is something you don't need!> > > > > > > > > > > > Finally - listen to Jackie, Janet, Liz and the other folks in > > > this> > > > > > group who have been there, done that. No question is toosmall > > > or > > > > big,> > > > > > and if they don't know the answer they try and find out!> > > > > > > > > > > > God Bless You,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

---------------------------------> > > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jackie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take the ordinary things of life, and make them your own. Do the> impossible with a smile > > ---------------------------------> > Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Check out the all-new

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Thanks, . Your advice is sound. I drink very little soda and no processed meat. I DO eat canned soup sometimes, tho. I really prefer home made. I eat healthy and I walk on my treadmill at least 3 times a week and rest a lot. I think my lifestyle is healthy. I love apple cider and cranberry mix juices. My one failing is that I love peptomints and will eat as many as six in an evening. That's not a lot, but I do it every day. SharonJackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote: EXCELLENT ,, excellent advise! <marvindamartian05@...> wrote: Sharon,

I am not a big proponent of "products", especially if you are tryingto accomplish what is essentially a simple act. So, I did not buy anyof those "liver cleanse" products in the stores! Many of them justencourage diarrhea, and you don't need to spend $12 on THAT!I am not saying that they are "bad", it's just that if you take sometime to study all of the labels, they mainly contain things such assilymarin (milk thistle), dandelion, choline and lots of other thingsthat I have already integrated into my diet and supplement "plan". Iam not advocating that you do what I do (check with your doctor), andLord knows I an not a health professional, but I read a lot. And Ikeep to the KISS principle.I learned that the function of the liver is to cleanse, so you wouldbe "cleansing the cleanser" if you do what many of these "livercleanse" products advise. Sounds kinda funny! Also it's a short termsolution. So what I

did was make the liver better able to it's job bycommitting to a lifestyle change that will be perpetual...not just aweekend "when-I-can-stay-near-the-bathroom" type of thing. Of course,in the beginning, that's exactly what it is, as you are taking inmainly liquid to try and flush out as many toxins that way as you can.There are some books out there (such as Dr. Cabot's book), andlots of good info in them, but often the author has some side agenda,such as selling their own "liver tonic" or what have you. A reallygreat book (and it does also recommend certain products, but the tiein isn't obvious) is The Hep C Help Book. One of the authors, Dr. Gishis an ESTEEMED liver doc up in San Francisco, and the other author isa TCM (traditional Chinese Medicine) expert. They mention a lot ofexcellent food for the liver. So, get a book that not only talks about"detoxing", but about "liver health" in

particular. You aren't analcoholic or drug addict just trying to clean yourself up after abinge, you are a person with a chronic illness who is making alifestyle change.It's not only by eliminating waste that your body cleanses itself oftoxins, but through the pores as well. If you can get to a sauna (TheHep C Help book advocates a dry sauna, I believe - as opposed to asteam bath), it is great to do this. Exercising, to the extentpossible, will also make you sweat. Obviously, while you do all ofthis expelling of toxins, you are also putting good stuff into yourbody, such as water of course, but I also take about 2 oz ofwheatgrass a day (fresh squeezed). All of the grasses (barley grass,wheat grass, etc.) are great for the liver. If you can't get freshsqueezed, go to the health food store and get some "super green" orother green foods supplement, or Odwalla Super Food juice.I am writing too much, sorry to

ramble...just one last thing...soda(cokes for those in the South, pop for mid-westerners) is one of theWORST things you can put into your body, along with processed meatswhich contain nitrates. The junk in these "foods" stays in your fatcells and contibute to the development of cancer, deplete the calciumin your bones, etc. Get this junk OUT of you, and DO NOT put anymorein! I used to love my Diet Pepsi, but I love my pomagranate juice evenmore because of the good it does for my body.Hope that helps!> Kerri~> > I was feeling just like you describe until a few week ago - I detoxed> my body and started taking supplements and vitamins, etc., and this is> the most important thing...drinking LOTS of water. I feel almost> normal again! I know it's mainly the hydration, because yesterday I> had to drive up to Pasadena for a meeting, and didn't drink my usual> amount of water (didn't want to have to make multiple stops!) and by 4> in the afternoon, I was just shot!> > I won't be able to start treatment until at least April due to> insurance issues, so I am

trying to get, and stay as healthy as> possible beforehand. Since I detoxed (not only stopped alcohol, fast> food, processed food, etc but also got them out of my system!) and> started "super-hydrating", it has made all the difference.> > I know that ALL of the junk isn't out of my body (fat cells store> toxins for years) but much of it is. While you are detoxing, you will> feel like crap...I warn you. Your skin will break out, you will have> diarrhea, BUT that is the body ridding itself of poison. While you are> getting rid of poison and replacing it with good stuff (water, organic> food, supplements) your body goes through a transition period and then> you come out "on the other side"...feeling much better. I now have no> craving for alcohol, fast food, etc. I tried to take a bite of a> whopper a few weeks ago, and it tasted like garbage. Couldn't wait to> get a hold of

some fruit salad!> > I have lost 11 lbs, and someone at work said to me the other day "what> are you doing? you look great!". Just 2 months ago I looked bloated,> dark circles under eyes, etc. Now skin is glowing, eyes are clear,> weight is finally coming off. I am starting to feel less like a> "person with a disease", and now I feel like socializing again.> > Good Luck! > > > ---------------------------------> Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.>Jackie

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Thanks, . Your advice is sound. I drink very little soda and no processed meat. I DO eat canned soup sometimes, tho. I really prefer home made. I eat healthy and I walk on my treadmill at least 3 times a week and rest a lot. I think my lifestyle is healthy. I love apple cider and cranberry mix juices. My one failing is that I love peptomints and will eat as many as six in an evening. That's not a lot, but I do it every day. SharonJackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote: EXCELLENT ,, excellent advise! <marvindamartian05@...> wrote: Sharon,

I am not a big proponent of "products", especially if you are tryingto accomplish what is essentially a simple act. So, I did not buy anyof those "liver cleanse" products in the stores! Many of them justencourage diarrhea, and you don't need to spend $12 on THAT!I am not saying that they are "bad", it's just that if you take sometime to study all of the labels, they mainly contain things such assilymarin (milk thistle), dandelion, choline and lots of other thingsthat I have already integrated into my diet and supplement "plan". Iam not advocating that you do what I do (check with your doctor), andLord knows I an not a health professional, but I read a lot. And Ikeep to the KISS principle.I learned that the function of the liver is to cleanse, so you wouldbe "cleansing the cleanser" if you do what many of these "livercleanse" products advise. Sounds kinda funny! Also it's a short termsolution. So what I

did was make the liver better able to it's job bycommitting to a lifestyle change that will be perpetual...not just aweekend "when-I-can-stay-near-the-bathroom" type of thing. Of course,in the beginning, that's exactly what it is, as you are taking inmainly liquid to try and flush out as many toxins that way as you can.There are some books out there (such as Dr. Cabot's book), andlots of good info in them, but often the author has some side agenda,such as selling their own "liver tonic" or what have you. A reallygreat book (and it does also recommend certain products, but the tiein isn't obvious) is The Hep C Help Book. One of the authors, Dr. Gishis an ESTEEMED liver doc up in San Francisco, and the other author isa TCM (traditional Chinese Medicine) expert. They mention a lot ofexcellent food for the liver. So, get a book that not only talks about"detoxing", but about "liver health" in

particular. You aren't analcoholic or drug addict just trying to clean yourself up after abinge, you are a person with a chronic illness who is making alifestyle change.It's not only by eliminating waste that your body cleanses itself oftoxins, but through the pores as well. If you can get to a sauna (TheHep C Help book advocates a dry sauna, I believe - as opposed to asteam bath), it is great to do this. Exercising, to the extentpossible, will also make you sweat. Obviously, while you do all ofthis expelling of toxins, you are also putting good stuff into yourbody, such as water of course, but I also take about 2 oz ofwheatgrass a day (fresh squeezed). All of the grasses (barley grass,wheat grass, etc.) are great for the liver. If you can't get freshsqueezed, go to the health food store and get some "super green" orother green foods supplement, or Odwalla Super Food juice.I am writing too much, sorry to

ramble...just one last thing...soda(cokes for those in the South, pop for mid-westerners) is one of theWORST things you can put into your body, along with processed meatswhich contain nitrates. The junk in these "foods" stays in your fatcells and contibute to the development of cancer, deplete the calciumin your bones, etc. Get this junk OUT of you, and DO NOT put anymorein! I used to love my Diet Pepsi, but I love my pomagranate juice evenmore because of the good it does for my body.Hope that helps!> Kerri~> > I was feeling just like you describe until a few week ago - I detoxed> my body and started taking supplements and vitamins, etc., and this is> the most important thing...drinking LOTS of water. I feel almost> normal again! I know it's mainly the hydration, because yesterday I> had to drive up to Pasadena for a meeting, and didn't drink my usual> amount of water (didn't want to have to make multiple stops!) and by 4> in the afternoon, I was just shot!> > I won't be able to start treatment until at least April due to> insurance issues, so I am

trying to get, and stay as healthy as> possible beforehand. Since I detoxed (not only stopped alcohol, fast> food, processed food, etc but also got them out of my system!) and> started "super-hydrating", it has made all the difference.> > I know that ALL of the junk isn't out of my body (fat cells store> toxins for years) but much of it is. While you are detoxing, you will> feel like crap...I warn you. Your skin will break out, you will have> diarrhea, BUT that is the body ridding itself of poison. While you are> getting rid of poison and replacing it with good stuff (water, organic> food, supplements) your body goes through a transition period and then> you come out "on the other side"...feeling much better. I now have no> craving for alcohol, fast food, etc. I tried to take a bite of a> whopper a few weeks ago, and it tasted like garbage. Couldn't wait to> get a hold of

some fruit salad!> > I have lost 11 lbs, and someone at work said to me the other day "what> are you doing? you look great!". Just 2 months ago I looked bloated,> dark circles under eyes, etc. Now skin is glowing, eyes are clear,> weight is finally coming off. I am starting to feel less like a> "person with a disease", and now I feel like socializing again.> > Good Luck! > > > ---------------------------------> Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.>Jackie

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I am SOooo very glad for you! For now, I am stuck within my HMO.. Sheena <marvindamartian05@...> wrote: Try and see if you can use Dr. Najerian, he is with Dr. Stanton'sgroup. Dr. Najerian is great...I am very impressed.> > > > > >> > > > > > Hi Sue,> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the nice welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > I stopped drinking in the early 90's after a bad alcohol > > > > >

experience. Two (strong) drinks knocked me on my butt and I was > > > > sick > > > > > for several days afterwards. That was enough for me so Ihaven't > > > > had > > > > > an alcoholic beverage since. Makes me wonder if the disease was > > > > > present at that time.... probably!> > > > > > > > > > > > I'll be considering everything that I eat, drink or medicate > > > > with > > > > > very carefully from now on. I just wish I could have found out > > > > about > > > > > this much, much earlier. I'm hoping that if there is liverdamage > > > > > that it'll be minimal or none at all.> > > > > > > > > > > > I've gotten hold of a few meditation CDs to try to reduce> stress > > > > >

and will be giving one or two a try later today. I don't work > > > > outside > > > > > of our home so that's a plus in a lot of ways insofar as this > > > > disease > > > > > is concerned. I do some website maintenance and graphic editing > > > > here > > > > > at home on occasion and those tasks can be done at my> convenience -> > > > > > > > > this is good, too.> > > > > > > > > > > > I'll be paying very close attention to all posts within the > > > > group! > > > > > I'm sure I'm going to learn lots from everyone here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again,> > > > > > > > > > > > -Laurie> > > > > > > > > > > > -----

Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "" <marvindamartian05@>> > > > > > <Hepatitis C >> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 12:02 AM> > > > > > Subject: Re: Intro> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Laurie!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome to the Group! You are in the right place...I was> right > > > > > where> > > > > > > you are just 3 months ago - shocked, scared and confused. I > > > > will > > > > > tell> > > > > > > you that knowledge is power for sure. This group will help> you >

> > > a> > > > > > > lot,and I also encourage you to find a support group inyour > > > > area.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you haven't already - Stop drinking alcohol, evenNyquil, > > > > > etc.! And> > > > > > > start eating medicinally, remembering everything youconsume, > > > > > inhale,> > > > > > > etc. can either help or hurt your liver.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read everything you can, and get used to to the ideathat you > > > > MUST> > > > > > > become your own advocate for your health. Don't besurprised > > > > if, > > > > > at> > > > > > > times, you feel like you know more about your body,symptoms

> > > > and > > > > > the> > > > > > > disease than your own doctor.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be positive, and embrace your faith in God. This will help > > > > more > > > > > than> > > > > > > you can imagine. Learn to breathe, really breathe, inthrough > > > > your> > > > > > > nose, and out through your mouth. Not only will this relax > > > > you, it> > > > > > > actually massages and stimulates the liver!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know it is hard to relax, but you have to - stressweakens > > > > the> > > > > > > immune system and that is something you don't need!> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > Finally - listen to Jackie, Janet, Liz and the otherfolks in > > > > this> > > > > > > group who have been there, done that. No question is too> small > > > > or > > > > > big,> > > > > > > and if they don't know the answer they try and find out!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > God Bless You,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > Jackie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited.> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take the ordinary things of life, and make them your own. Do the> > impossible with a smile > > > ---------------------------------> > > Want to start your own business? Learn how on SmallBusiness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > > Check out the all-new beta - Fire up a more powerful> > email and get things done faster.> >

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I am SOooo very glad for you! For now, I am stuck within my HMO.. Sheena <marvindamartian05@...> wrote: Try and see if you can use Dr. Najerian, he is with Dr. Stanton'sgroup. Dr. Najerian is great...I am very impressed.> > > > > >> > > > > > Hi Sue,> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the nice welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > I stopped drinking in the early 90's after a bad alcohol > > > > >

experience. Two (strong) drinks knocked me on my butt and I was > > > > sick > > > > > for several days afterwards. That was enough for me so Ihaven't > > > > had > > > > > an alcoholic beverage since. Makes me wonder if the disease was > > > > > present at that time.... probably!> > > > > > > > > > > > I'll be considering everything that I eat, drink or medicate > > > > with > > > > > very carefully from now on. I just wish I could have found out > > > > about > > > > > this much, much earlier. I'm hoping that if there is liverdamage > > > > > that it'll be minimal or none at all.> > > > > > > > > > > > I've gotten hold of a few meditation CDs to try to reduce> stress > > > > >

and will be giving one or two a try later today. I don't work > > > > outside > > > > > of our home so that's a plus in a lot of ways insofar as this > > > > disease > > > > > is concerned. I do some website maintenance and graphic editing > > > > here > > > > > at home on occasion and those tasks can be done at my> convenience -> > > > > > > > > this is good, too.> > > > > > > > > > > > I'll be paying very close attention to all posts within the > > > > group! > > > > > I'm sure I'm going to learn lots from everyone here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again,> > > > > > > > > > > > -Laurie> > > > > > > > > > > > -----

Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "" <marvindamartian05@>> > > > > > <Hepatitis C >> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 12:02 AM> > > > > > Subject: Re: Intro> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Laurie!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome to the Group! You are in the right place...I was> right > > > > > where> > > > > > > you are just 3 months ago - shocked, scared and confused. I > > > > will > > > > > tell> > > > > > > you that knowledge is power for sure. This group will help> you >

> > > a> > > > > > > lot,and I also encourage you to find a support group inyour > > > > area.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you haven't already - Stop drinking alcohol, evenNyquil, > > > > > etc.! And> > > > > > > start eating medicinally, remembering everything youconsume, > > > > > inhale,> > > > > > > etc. can either help or hurt your liver.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read everything you can, and get used to to the ideathat you > > > > MUST> > > > > > > become your own advocate for your health. Don't besurprised > > > > if, > > > > > at> > > > > > > times, you feel like you know more about your body,symptoms

> > > > and > > > > > the> > > > > > > disease than your own doctor.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be positive, and embrace your faith in God. This will help > > > > more > > > > > than> > > > > > > you can imagine. Learn to breathe, really breathe, inthrough > > > > your> > > > > > > nose, and out through your mouth. Not only will this relax > > > > you, it> > > > > > > actually massages and stimulates the liver!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know it is hard to relax, but you have to - stressweakens > > > > the> > > > > > > immune system and that is something you don't need!> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > Finally - listen to Jackie, Janet, Liz and the otherfolks in > > > > this> > > > > > > group who have been there, done that. No question is too> small > > > > or > > > > > big,> > > > > > > and if they don't know the answer they try and find out!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > God Bless You,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > > > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Well its better to change docs BEFORE you start tx than to have to do this in the middle of your tx! Abandonment applies to a doc who turfs you without providing for continuing medical care honey. We learned all about that in paramedic school because we too had to make sure to turn the patient over to someone of at least my training or higher meaning that I could only turn over my patient to another paramedic or nurse or doc,, never to an emt basic.. and a doc cannot stop treating you as a patient without making sure you have another doc to treat you OR HE IS guilty of abandonment! Dont let this jackass push you around honey! please let us know how things turn out! hugs jaxSheena <mom4possums2002@...> wrote: And I have to find a new GI before I ever consider it, can you EVEN imagine.. It was sure best that I never got started on tx yet... Wishing you the best! Sheena <marvindamartian05 > wrote: That will be cool! It sound funny but I can't wait for my first shot!!I want to let this dragon know that i mean business. First I have tolet the insurance company know that i

mean business, lol!> > > > >> > > > > Hi Sue,> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the nice welcome. > > > > > > > > > > I stopped drinking in the early 90's after a bad alcohol > > > > experience. Two (strong) drinks knocked me on my butt and I was > > > sick > > > > for several days afterwards. That was enough for me so I haven't > > > had > > > > an alcoholic beverage since. Makes me wonder if the disease was > > > > present at that time....

probably!> > > > > > > > > > I'll be considering everything that I eat, drink or medicate > > > with > > > > very carefully from now on. I just wish I could have found out > > > about > > > > this much, much earlier. I'm hoping that if there is liver damage > > > > that it'll be minimal or none at all.> > > > > > > > > > I've gotten hold of a few meditation CDs to try to reducestress > > > > and will be giving one or two a try later today. I don't work > > > outside > > > > of our home so that's a plus in a lot of ways insofar as this > > > disease > > > > is concerned. I do some website maintenance and graphic editing > > > here > > > > at home on occasion and those tasks can be done at myconvenience -> >

> > > > > this is good, too.> > > > > > > > > > I'll be paying very close attention to all posts within the > > > group! > > > > I'm sure I'm going to learn lots from everyone here. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again,> > > > > > > > > > -Laurie> > > > > > > > > > Re: Intro> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Laurie!> > > > >

> > > > > > > Welcome to the Group! You are in the right place...I wasright > > > > where> > > > > > you are just 3 months ago - shocked, scared and confused. I > > > will > > > > tell> > > > > > you that knowledge is power for sure. This group will helpyou > > > a> > > > > > lot,and I also encourage you to find a support group in your > > > area.> > > > > > > > > > > > If you haven't already - Stop drinking alcohol, even Nyquil, > > > > etc.! And> > > > > > start eating medicinally, remembering everything you consume, > > > > inhale,> > > > > > etc. can either help or hurt your liver.> > > > > > > > > > > > Read everything you can, and get used

to to the idea that you > > > MUST> > > > > > become your own advocate for your health. Don't be surprised > > > if, > > > > at> > > > > > times, you feel like you know more about your body, symptoms > > > and > > > > the> > > > > > disease than your own doctor.> > > > > > > > > > > > Be positive, and embrace your faith in God. This will help > > > more > > > > than> > > > > > you can imagine. Learn to breathe, really breathe, in through > > > your> > > > > > nose, and out through your mouth. Not only will this relax > > > you, it> > > > > > actually massages and stimulates the liver!> > > > > > > > > > > > I know it is hard to

relax, but you have to - stress weakens > > > the> > > > > > immune system and that is something you don't need!> > > > > > > > > > > > Finally - listen to Jackie, Janet, Liz and the other folks in > > > this> > > > > > group who have been there, done that. No question is toosmall > > > or > > > > big,> > > > > > and if they don't know the answer they try and find out!> > > > > > > > > > > > God Bless You,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jackie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Take the ordinary things of life, and make them your own. Do the> impossible with a smile > > ---------------------------------> > Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Check out the all-new beta - Fire up a more powerful> email and get things done faster.> >> > > > > >

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Peppermints?? How about a cup of hot tea with a peppermint in it. *drools* Girl you are okay in my book. Love JanetSharon Crosby <blubirdxoxo@...> wrote: Thanks, . Your advice is sound. I drink very little soda and no processed meat. I DO eat canned soup sometimes, tho. I really prefer home made. I eat healthy and I

walk on my treadmill at least 3 times a week and rest a lot. I think my lifestyle is healthy. I love apple cider and cranberry mix juices. My one failing is that I love peptomints and will eat as many as six in an evening. That's not a lot, but I do it every day. SharonJackie on <redjaxjm > wrote: EXCELLENT ,, excellent advise! <marvindamartian05 > wrote: Sharon, I am not a big proponent of "products", especially if you are tryingto accomplish what is essentially a simple act. So, I did not buy anyof those "liver cleanse" products in the stores! Many of them justencourage diarrhea, and you don't need to spend $12

on THAT!I am not saying that they are "bad", it's just that if you take sometime to study all of the labels, they mainly contain things such assilymarin (milk thistle), dandelion, choline and lots of other thingsthat I have already integrated into my diet and supplement "plan". Iam not advocating that you do what I do (check with your doctor), andLord knows I an not a health professional, but I read a lot. And Ikeep to the KISS principle.I learned that the function of the liver is to cleanse, so you wouldbe "cleansing the cleanser" if you do what many of these "livercleanse" products advise. Sounds kinda funny! Also it's a short termsolution. So what I did was make the liver better able to it's job bycommitting to a lifestyle change that will be perpetual...not just aweekend "when-I-can-stay-near-the-bathroom" type of thing. Of course,in the beginning, that's exactly what it is, as you are

taking inmainly liquid to try and flush out as many toxins that way as you can.There are some books out there (such as Dr. Cabot's book), andlots of good info in them, but often the author has some side agenda,such as selling their own "liver tonic" or what have you. A reallygreat book (and it does also recommend certain products, but the tiein isn't obvious) is The Hep C Help Book. One of the authors, Dr. Gishis an ESTEEMED liver doc up in San Francisco, and the other author isa TCM (traditional Chinese Medicine) expert. They mention a lot ofexcellent food for the liver. So, get a book that not only talks about"detoxing", but about "liver health" in particular. You aren't analcoholic or drug addict just trying to clean yourself up after abinge, you are a person with a chronic illness who is making alifestyle change.It's not only by eliminating waste that your body cleanses itself oftoxins, but

through the pores as well. If you can get to a sauna (TheHep C Help book advocates a dry sauna, I believe - as opposed to asteam bath), it is great to do this. Exercising, to the extentpossible, will also make you sweat. Obviously, while you do all ofthis expelling of toxins, you are also putting good stuff into yourbody, such as water of course, but I also take about 2 oz ofwheatgrass a day (fresh squeezed). All of the grasses (barley grass,wheat grass, etc.) are great for the liver. If you can't get freshsqueezed, go to the health food store and get some "super green" orother green foods supplement, or Odwalla Super Food juice.I am writing too much, sorry to ramble...just one last thing...soda(cokes for those in the South, pop for mid-westerners) is one of theWORST things you can put into your body, along with processed meatswhich contain nitrates. The junk in these "foods" stays in your fatcells and contibute

to the development of cancer, deplete the calciumin your bones, etc. Get this junk OUT of you, and DO NOT put anymorein! I used to love my Diet Pepsi, but I love my pomagranate juice evenmore because of the good it does for my body.Hope that helps!> Kerri~> > I was feeling just like you describe until a few week ago - I detoxed> my body and started taking supplements and vitamins, etc., and this is> the most important thing...drinking LOTS of water. I feel almost> normal again! I know it's mainly the hydration, because yesterday I> had to drive up to Pasadena for a meeting, and didn't drink my usual> amount of water (didn't want to have to make multiple stops!) and by 4> in the afternoon, I was just shot!> > I won't be able to start treatment until at least April due to> insurance issues, so I am trying to get, and stay as healthy as> possible beforehand. Since I detoxed (not only stopped alcohol, fast> food, processed food, etc but also got them out of my system!) and> started "super-hydrating", it has made all the difference.>

> I know that ALL of the junk isn't out of my body (fat cells store> toxins for years) but much of it is. While you are detoxing, you will> feel like crap...I warn you. Your skin will break out, you will have> diarrhea, BUT that is the body ridding itself of poison. While you are> getting rid of poison and replacing it with good stuff (water, organic> food, supplements) your body goes through a transition period and then> you come out "on the other side"...feeling much better. I now have no> craving for alcohol, fast food, etc. I tried to take a bite of a> whopper a few weeks ago, and it tasted like garbage. Couldn't wait to> get a hold of some fruit salad!> > I have lost 11 lbs, and someone at work said to me the other day "what> are you doing? you look great!". Just 2 months ago I looked bloated,> dark circles under eyes, etc. Now skin is glowing, eyes are clear,>

weight is finally coming off. I am starting to feel less like a> "person with a disease", and now I feel like socializing again.> > Good Luck! > > > ---------------------------------> Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.>Jackie Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Take the ordinary things of life, and make them your own. Do the impossible with a smile

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WEEDY NOW YOUR TALKING LOL.I EAT SEVERAL A WEEK I LOVE EM.YOUR BETTER OFF EATING THEM.Nikki Cowan <nikkicowan@...> wrote: I say yes indeedy weedy for the pomegranate juice!!!!NikkiTim Parsons knoxville,tn 37931 865-588-2465 x107 work www.knoxville1.com

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Welllll, I don't feel wonderful, but I'm 63 and bound to have aches and pains and am often more tired than I wish. BUT, I DO live a pretty healthy lifestyle. lol Peptomints are life savers in peppermint flavor. I do love them. I like other hard candies, I like to have something in my mouth to satisfy my craving to snack. These life savers and other hard candies help and I don't eat very many of them, they have to melt in my mouth. lol Sharon <marvindamartian05@...> wrote: Oh Sharon, you rebel with your peptomints! LOL. What are peptomints?They sound good, I want some! The cranberry juice is great, isn't it?! And the treadmill is my fave.I think your lifestyle is very healthy, and I think you are going todo great. I have to tell

you something "funny" that my GI told me theother day...When I was there to talk about tx, when to start,etc, I asked the docabout how he would treat my sides (I learned this from my "homegirls", Janet, Jax, Liz and Anne), and got the answers that I waslooking for. But he also told me that in his experience, it is thehealthy-living ones, like us, who don't tolerate tx as well, becausewe are used to being healthy and we notice every side effect. He saidthat it's the people who have abused their bodies who seem to "sailright through tx". This is because they are used to feeling like crap,I guess?But, how does that explain Ally, who has stuck with going to the gymat 5 am every day through tx?It's an interesting theory though. For the record, I plan to keeptrying to be healthy and hopefully that will help me go through tx.And you do the same and we will see how far that gets us!

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Or hot cocoa with peppermint. YUMMY!! SharonJanet <doc_jade@...> wrote: Peppermints?? How about a cup of hot tea with a peppermint in it. *drools* Girl you are okay in my book. Love JanetSharon Crosby <blubirdxoxo@...> wrote: Thanks, . Your advice is sound. I drink very little soda and no processed meat. I DO eat canned soup sometimes, tho. I really prefer home made. I eat healthy and I walk on my treadmill at least 3 times

a week and rest a lot. I think my lifestyle is healthy. I love apple cider and cranberry mix juices. My one failing is that I love peptomints and will eat as many as six in an evening. That's not a lot, but I do it every day. SharonJackie on <redjaxjm > wrote: EXCELLENT ,, excellent advise! <marvindamartian05 > wrote: Sharon, I am not a big proponent of "products", especially if you are tryingto accomplish what is essentially a simple act. So, I did not buy anyof those "liver cleanse" products in the stores! Many of them justencourage diarrhea, and you don't need to spend $12 on THAT!I am not saying that

they are "bad", it's just that if you take sometime to study all of the labels, they mainly contain things such assilymarin (milk thistle), dandelion, choline and lots of other thingsthat I have already integrated into my diet and supplement "plan". Iam not advocating that you do what I do (check with your doctor), andLord knows I an not a health professional, but I read a lot. And Ikeep to the KISS principle.I learned that the function of the liver is to cleanse, so you wouldbe "cleansing the cleanser" if you do what many of these "livercleanse" products advise. Sounds kinda funny! Also it's a short termsolution. So what I did was make the liver better able to it's job bycommitting to a lifestyle change that will be perpetual...not just aweekend "when-I-can-stay-near-the-bathroom" type of thing. Of course,in the beginning, that's exactly what it is, as you are taking inmainly liquid to try and

flush out as many toxins that way as you can.There are some books out there (such as Dr. Cabot's book), andlots of good info in them, but often the author has some side agenda,such as selling their own "liver tonic" or what have you. A reallygreat book (and it does also recommend certain products, but the tiein isn't obvious) is The Hep C Help Book. One of the authors, Dr. Gishis an ESTEEMED liver doc up in San Francisco, and the other author isa TCM (traditional Chinese Medicine) expert. They mention a lot ofexcellent food for the liver. So, get a book that not only talks about"detoxing", but about "liver health" in particular. You aren't analcoholic or drug addict just trying to clean yourself up after abinge, you are a person with a chronic illness who is making alifestyle change.It's not only by eliminating waste that your body cleanses itself oftoxins, but through the pores as well. If you can get

to a sauna (TheHep C Help book advocates a dry sauna, I believe - as opposed to asteam bath), it is great to do this. Exercising, to the extentpossible, will also make you sweat. Obviously, while you do all ofthis expelling of toxins, you are also putting good stuff into yourbody, such as water of course, but I also take about 2 oz ofwheatgrass a day (fresh squeezed). All of the grasses (barley grass,wheat grass, etc.) are great for the liver. If you can't get freshsqueezed, go to the health food store and get some "super green" orother green foods supplement, or Odwalla Super Food juice.I am writing too much, sorry to ramble...just one last thing...soda(cokes for those in the South, pop for mid-westerners) is one of theWORST things you can put into your body, along with processed meatswhich contain nitrates. The junk in these "foods" stays in your fatcells and contibute to the development of cancer, deplete the

calciumin your bones, etc. Get this junk OUT of you, and DO NOT put anymorein! I used to love my Diet Pepsi, but I love my pomagranate juice evenmore because of the good it does for my body.Hope that helps!> Kerri~> > I was feeling just like you describe until a few week ago - I detoxed> my body and started taking supplements and vitamins, etc., and this is> the most important thing...drinking LOTS of water. I feel almost> normal again! I know it's mainly the hydration, because yesterday I> had to drive up to Pasadena for a meeting, and didn't drink my usual> amount of water (didn't want to have to make multiple stops!) and by 4> in the afternoon, I was just shot!> > I won't be able to start treatment until at least April due to> insurance issues, so I am trying to get, and stay as healthy as> possible beforehand. Since I detoxed (not only stopped alcohol, fast> food, processed food, etc but also got them out of my system!) and> started "super-hydrating", it has made all the difference.> > I know that ALL of the

junk isn't out of my body (fat cells store> toxins for years) but much of it is. While you are detoxing, you will> feel like crap...I warn you. Your skin will break out, you will have> diarrhea, BUT that is the body ridding itself of poison. While you are> getting rid of poison and replacing it with good stuff (water, organic> food, supplements) your body goes through a transition period and then> you come out "on the other side"...feeling much better. I now have no> craving for alcohol, fast food, etc. I tried to take a bite of a> whopper a few weeks ago, and it tasted like garbage. Couldn't wait to> get a hold of some fruit salad!> > I have lost 11 lbs, and someone at work said to me the other day "what> are you doing? you look great!". Just 2 months ago I looked bloated,> dark circles under eyes, etc. Now skin is glowing, eyes are clear,> weight is finally coming off. I am

starting to feel less like a> "person with a disease", and now I feel like socializing again.> > Good Luck! > > > ---------------------------------> Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.>Jackie Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Take the ordinary things of life, and make them your own. Do the impossible with a smile Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

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Is that like what that one doc did to me when he took me off treatment and said he could no longer be my doc and that was where we had to part ways ...his words Jackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote: Well its better to change docs BEFORE you start tx than to have to do this in the middle of your tx! Abandonment applies to a doc who turfs you without providing for continuing medical care honey. We learned all about that in paramedic school because we too had to make sure to turn the patient over to

someone of at least my training or higher meaning that I could only turn over my patient to another paramedic or nurse or doc,, never to an emt basic.. and a doc cannot stop treating you as a patient without making sure you have another doc to treat you OR HE IS guilty of abandonment! Dont let this jackass push you around honey! please let us know how things turn out! hugs jaxSheena <mom4possums2002 > wrote: And I have to find a new GI before I ever consider it, can you EVEN imagine.. It was sure best that I never got started on tx yet... Wishing you the best! Sheena

<marvindamartian05 > wrote: That will be cool! It sound funny but I can't wait for my first shot!!I want to let this dragon know that i mean business. First I have tolet the insurance company know that i mean business, lol!> > > > >> > > > > Hi Sue,> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the nice welcome. > > > > > > > > > >

I stopped drinking in the early 90's after a bad alcohol > > > > experience. Two (strong) drinks knocked me on my butt and I was > > > sick > > > > for several days afterwards. That was enough for me so I haven't > > > had > > > > an alcoholic beverage since. Makes me wonder if the disease was > > > > present at that time.... probably!> > > > > > > > > > I'll be considering everything that I eat, drink or medicate > > > with > > > > very carefully from now on. I just wish I could have found out > > > about > > > > this much, much earlier. I'm hoping that if there is liver damage > > > > that it'll be minimal or none at all.> > > > > > > > > > I've gotten hold of a few meditation CDs to try to reducestress > > > > and

will be giving one or two a try later today. I don't work > > > outside > > > > of our home so that's a plus in a lot of ways insofar as this > > > disease > > > > is concerned. I do some website maintenance and graphic editing > > > here > > > > at home on occasion and those tasks can be done at myconvenience -> > > > > > > this is good, too.> > > > > > > > > > I'll be paying very close attention to all posts within the > > > group! > > > > I'm sure I'm going to learn lots from everyone here. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again,> > > > > > > > > > -Laurie> > > > > > > > > > Re: Intro> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Laurie!> > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome to the Group! You are in the right place...I wasright > > > > where> > > > > > you are just 3 months ago - shocked, scared and confused. I > > > will > > > > tell> > > > > > you that knowledge is power for sure. This group will helpyou > > > a> > > > > > lot,and I also encourage you to find a support group in your > > > area.> >

> > > > > > > > > > If you haven't already - Stop drinking alcohol, even Nyquil, > > > > etc.! And> > > > > > start eating medicinally, remembering everything you consume, > > > > inhale,> > > > > > etc. can either help or hurt your liver.> > > > > > > > > > > > Read everything you can, and get used to to the idea that you > > > MUST> > > > > > become your own advocate for your health. Don't be surprised > > > if, > > > > at> > > > > > times, you feel like you know more about your body, symptoms > > > and > > > > the> > > > > > disease than your own doctor.> > > > > > > > > > > > Be positive, and embrace your faith in God. This will help

> > > more > > > > than> > > > > > you can imagine. Learn to breathe, really breathe, in through > > > your> > > > > > nose, and out through your mouth. Not only will this relax > > > you, it> > > > > > actually massages and stimulates the liver!> > > > > > > > > > > > I know it is hard to relax, but you have to - stress weakens > > > the> > > > > > immune system and that is something you don't need!> > > > > > > > > > > > Finally - listen to Jackie, Janet, Liz and the other folks in > > > this> > > > > > group who have been there, done that. No question is toosmall > > > or > > > > big,> > > > > > and if they don't know the answer they try and

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Now you got my interest with that , hot cocoa with peppermint sounds sooo yummy Sharon Crosby <blubirdxoxo@...> wrote: Or hot cocoa with peppermint. YUMMY!! SharonJanet <doc_jade > wrote: Peppermints?? How about a cup of hot tea with a peppermint in it. *drools* Girl you are okay in my

book. Love JanetSharon Crosby <blubirdxoxo > wrote: Thanks, . Your advice is sound. I drink very little soda and no processed meat. I DO eat canned soup sometimes, tho. I really prefer home made. I eat healthy and I walk on my treadmill at least 3 times a week and rest a lot. I think my lifestyle is healthy. I love apple cider and cranberry mix juices. My one failing is that I love peptomints and will eat as many as six in an evening. That's not a lot, but I do it every day. SharonJackie on <redjaxjm > wrote: EXCELLENT

,, excellent advise! <marvindamartian05 > wrote: Sharon, I am not a big proponent of "products", especially if you are tryingto accomplish what is essentially a simple act. So, I did not buy anyof those "liver cleanse" products in the stores! Many of them justencourage diarrhea, and you don't need to spend $12 on THAT!I am not saying that they are "bad", it's just that if you take sometime to study all of the labels, they mainly contain things such assilymarin (milk thistle), dandelion, choline and lots of other thingsthat I have already integrated into my diet and supplement "plan". Iam not advocating that you do what I do (check with your doctor), andLord knows I an not a health professional, but I read a lot. And Ikeep to the KISS

principle.I learned that the function of the liver is to cleanse, so you wouldbe "cleansing the cleanser" if you do what many of these "livercleanse" products advise. Sounds kinda funny! Also it's a short termsolution. So what I did was make the liver better able to it's job bycommitting to a lifestyle change that will be perpetual...not just aweekend "when-I-can-stay-near-the-bathroom" type of thing. Of course,in the beginning, that's exactly what it is, as you are taking inmainly liquid to try and flush out as many toxins that way as you can.There are some books out there (such as Dr. Cabot's book), andlots of good info in them, but often the author has some side agenda,such as selling their own "liver tonic" or what have you. A reallygreat book (and it does also recommend certain products, but the tiein isn't obvious) is The Hep C Help Book. One of the authors, Dr. Gishis an ESTEEMED

liver doc up in San Francisco, and the other author isa TCM (traditional Chinese Medicine) expert. They mention a lot ofexcellent food for the liver. So, get a book that not only talks about"detoxing", but about "liver health" in particular. You aren't analcoholic or drug addict just trying to clean yourself up after abinge, you are a person with a chronic illness who is making alifestyle change.It's not only by eliminating waste that your body cleanses itself oftoxins, but through the pores as well. If you can get to a sauna (TheHep C Help book advocates a dry sauna, I believe - as opposed to asteam bath), it is great to do this. Exercising, to the extentpossible, will also make you sweat. Obviously, while you do all ofthis expelling of toxins, you are also putting good stuff into yourbody, such as water of course, but I also take about 2 oz ofwheatgrass a day (fresh squeezed). All of the grasses (barley

grass,wheat grass, etc.) are great for the liver. If you can't get freshsqueezed, go to the health food store and get some "super green" orother green foods supplement, or Odwalla Super Food juice.I am writing too much, sorry to ramble...just one last thing...soda(cokes for those in the South, pop for mid-westerners) is one of theWORST things you can put into your body, along with processed meatswhich contain nitrates. The junk in these "foods" stays in your fatcells and contibute to the development of cancer, deplete the calciumin your bones, etc. Get this junk OUT of you, and DO NOT put anymorein! I used to love my Diet Pepsi, but I love my pomagranate juice evenmore because of the good it does for my body.Hope that helps!> Kerri~> > I was feeling just like you describe until a few week ago - I detoxed> my body and started taking supplements and vitamins, etc., and this is> the most important thing...drinking LOTS of water. I feel almost> normal again! I know it's mainly the hydration, because yesterday I> had to drive up to Pasadena for a meeting, and

didn't drink my usual> amount of water (didn't want to have to make multiple stops!) and by 4> in the afternoon, I was just shot!> > I won't be able to start treatment until at least April due to> insurance issues, so I am trying to get, and stay as healthy as> possible beforehand. Since I detoxed (not only stopped alcohol, fast> food, processed food, etc but also got them out of my system!) and> started "super-hydrating", it has made all the difference.> > I know that ALL of the junk isn't out of my body (fat cells store> toxins for years) but much of it is. While you are detoxing, you will> feel like crap...I warn you. Your skin will break out, you will have> diarrhea, BUT that is the body ridding itself of poison. While you are> getting rid of poison and replacing it with good stuff (water, organic> food, supplements) your body goes through a transition period

and then> you come out "on the other side"...feeling much better. I now have no> craving for alcohol, fast food, etc. I tried to take a bite of a> whopper a few weeks ago, and it tasted like garbage. Couldn't wait to> get a hold of some fruit salad!> > I have lost 11 lbs, and someone at work said to me the other day "what> are you doing? you look great!". Just 2 months ago I looked bloated,> dark circles under eyes, etc. Now skin is glowing, eyes are clear,> weight is finally coming off. I am starting to feel less like a> "person with a disease", and now I feel like socializing again.> > Good Luck! > > > ---------------------------------> Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.>Jackie Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Take the ordinary things of life, and make them your own. Do the impossible with a smile Everyone is raving about the all-new beta. Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Answers.

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Liz, IF HE DID NOT provide for further medical care, then HE ABANDONED YOU! thats serious!elizabeth savage <elizabethnv1@...> wrote: Is that like what that one doc did to me when he took me off treatment and said he could no longer be my doc and that was where we had to part ways ...his words Jackie on <redjaxjm > wrote: Well its better to change

docs BEFORE you start tx than to have to do this in the middle of your tx! Abandonment applies to a doc who turfs you without providing for continuing medical care honey. We learned all about that in paramedic school because we too had to make sure to turn the patient over to someone of at least my training or higher meaning that I could only turn over my patient to another paramedic or nurse or doc,, never to an emt basic.. and a doc cannot stop treating you as a patient without making sure you have another doc to treat you OR HE IS guilty of abandonment! Dont let this jackass push you around honey! please let us know how things turn out! hugs jaxSheena <mom4possums2002 > wrote: And I have to find a new GI before I ever consider it, can you EVEN

imagine.. It was sure best that I never got started on tx yet... Wishing you the best! Sheena <marvindamartian05 > wrote: That will be cool! It sound funny but I can't wait for my first shot!!I want to let this dragon know that i mean business. First I have tolet the insurance company know that i mean business, lol!> > > > >> > > > > Hi Sue,> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the nice welcome. > > > > > > > > > > I stopped drinking in the early 90's after a bad alcohol > > > > experience. Two (strong) drinks knocked me on my butt and I was > > > sick > > > > for several days afterwards. That was enough for me so I haven't > > > had > > > > an alcoholic beverage since. Makes me wonder if the disease was > > > > present at that time.... probably!> > > > > > > > > > I'll be considering everything that I eat, drink or medicate > > > with > > > > very carefully from now

on. I just wish I could have found out > > > about > > > > this much, much earlier. I'm hoping that if there is liver damage > > > > that it'll be minimal or none at all.> > > > > > > > > > I've gotten hold of a few meditation CDs to try to reducestress > > > > and will be giving one or two a try later today. I don't work > > > outside > > > > of our home so that's a plus in a lot of ways insofar as this > > > disease > > > > is concerned. I do some website maintenance and graphic editing > > > here > > > > at home on occasion and those tasks can be done at myconvenience -> > > > > > > this is good, too.> > > > > > > > > > I'll be paying very close attention to all posts within the > > > group! >

> > > I'm sure I'm going to learn lots from everyone here. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again,> > > > > > > > > > -Laurie> > > > > > > > > > Re: Intro> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Laurie!> > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome to the Group! You are in the right place...I wasright > > > > where> > > > > > you are just 3 months ago -

shocked, scared and confused. I > > > will > > > > tell> > > > > > you that knowledge is power for sure. This group will helpyou > > > a> > > > > > lot,and I also encourage you to find a support group in your > > > area.> > > > > > > > > > > > If you haven't already - Stop drinking alcohol, even Nyquil, > > > > etc.! And> > > > > > start eating medicinally, remembering everything you consume, > > > > inhale,> > > > > > etc. can either help or hurt your liver.> > > > > > > > > > > > Read everything you can, and get used to to the idea that you > > > MUST> > > > > > become your own advocate for your health. Don't be surprised > > > if, > > > >

at> > > > > > times, you feel like you know more about your body, symptoms > > > and > > > > the> > > > > > disease than your own doctor.> > > > > > > > > > > > Be positive, and embrace your faith in God. This will help > > > more > > > > than> > > > > > you can imagine. Learn to breathe, really breathe, in through > > > your> > > > > > nose, and out through your mouth. Not only will this relax > > > you, it> > > > > > actually massages and stimulates the liver!> > > > > > > > > > > > I know it is hard to relax, but you have to - stress weakens > > > the> > > > > > immune system and that is something you don't need!> > > > > > > >

> > > > Finally - listen to Jackie, Janet, Liz and the other folks in > > > this> > > > > > group who have been there, done that. No question is toosmall > > > or > > > > big,> > > > > > and if they don't know the answer they try and find out!> > > > > > > > > > > > God Bless You,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jackie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Well that happened and boy did I cry like a baby . But things like this happen in Nevada all the time unfortuanately .Jackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote: Liz, IF HE DID NOT provide for further medical care, then HE ABANDONED YOU! thats serious!elizabeth savage <elizabethnv1 > wrote: Is that like what that one doc did to me when he took me off treatment and

said he could no longer be my doc and that was where we had to part ways ...his words Jackie on <redjaxjm > wrote: Well its better to change docs BEFORE you start tx than to have to do this in the middle of your tx! Abandonment applies to a doc who turfs you without providing for continuing medical care honey. We learned all about that in paramedic school because we too had to make sure to turn the patient over to someone of at least my training or higher meaning that I could only turn over my patient to another paramedic or nurse or doc,, never to an emt basic.. and a doc cannot stop treating you as a patient without making sure you have another doc to treat you OR HE IS guilty of abandonment! Dont let this jackass push you around honey! please let us know how things

turn out! hugs jaxSheena <mom4possums2002 > wrote: And I have to find a new GI before I ever consider it, can you EVEN imagine.. It was sure best that I never got started on tx yet... Wishing you the best! Sheena <marvindamartian05 > wrote: That will be cool! It sound funny but I can't wait for my first shot!!I want to let this dragon know that i mean business. First I have tolet the insurance company know that i mean business,

lol!> > > > >> > > > > Hi Sue,> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the nice welcome. > > > > > > > > > > I stopped drinking in the early 90's after a bad alcohol > > > > experience. Two (strong) drinks knocked me on my butt and I was > > > sick > > > > for several days afterwards. That was enough for me so I haven't > > > had > > > > an alcoholic beverage since. Makes me wonder if the disease was > > > > present at that time....

probably!> > > > > > > > > > I'll be considering everything that I eat, drink or medicate > > > with > > > > very carefully from now on. I just wish I could have found out > > > about > > > > this much, much earlier. I'm hoping that if there is liver damage > > > > that it'll be minimal or none at all.> > > > > > > > > > I've gotten hold of a few meditation CDs to try to reducestress > > > > and will be giving one or two a try later today. I don't work > > > outside > > > > of our home so that's a plus in a lot of ways insofar as this > > > disease > > > > is concerned. I do some website maintenance and graphic editing > > > here > > > > at home on occasion and those tasks can be done at myconvenience -> >

> > > > > this is good, too.> > > > > > > > > > I'll be paying very close attention to all posts within the > > > group! > > > > I'm sure I'm going to learn lots from everyone here. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again,> > > > > > > > > > -Laurie> > > > > > > > > > Re: Intro> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Laurie!> > > > >

> > > > > > > Welcome to the Group! You are in the right place...I wasright > > > > where> > > > > > you are just 3 months ago - shocked, scared and confused. I > > > will > > > > tell> > > > > > you that knowledge is power for sure. This group will helpyou > > > a> > > > > > lot,and I also encourage you to find a support group in your > > > area.> > > > > > > > > > > > If you haven't already - Stop drinking alcohol, even Nyquil, > > > > etc.! And> > > > > > start eating medicinally, remembering everything you consume, > > > > inhale,> > > > > > etc. can either help or hurt your liver.> > > > > > > > > > > > Read everything you can, and get used

to to the idea that you > > > MUST> > > > > > become your own advocate for your health. Don't be surprised > > > if, > > > > at> > > > > > times, you feel like you know more about your body, symptoms > > > and > > > > the> > > > > > disease than your own doctor.> > > > > > > > > > > > Be positive, and embrace your faith in God. This will help > > > more > > > > than> > > > > > you can imagine. Learn to breathe, really breathe, in through > > > your> > > > > > nose, and out through your mouth. Not only will this relax > > > you, it> > > > > > actually massages and stimulates the liver!> > > > > > > > > > > > I know it is hard to

relax, but you have to - stress weakens > > > the> > > > > > immune system and that is something you don't need!> > > > > > > > > > > > Finally - listen to Jackie, Janet, Liz and the other folks in > > > this> > > > > > group who have been there, done that. No question is toosmall > > > or > > > > big,> > > > > > and if they don't know the answer they try and find out!> > > > > > > > > > > > God Bless You,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > > > > > >

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well honey, THAT IS WRONG! You should report him to the AMA!elizabeth savage <elizabethnv1@...> wrote: Well that happened and boy did I cry like a baby . But things like this happen in Nevada all the time unfortuanately .Jackie on <redjaxjm > wrote: Liz, IF HE DID NOT provide for further medical care, then HE ABANDONED YOU! thats

serious!elizabeth savage <elizabethnv1 > wrote: Is that like what that one doc did to me when he took me off treatment and said he could no longer be my doc and that was where we had to part ways ...his words Jackie on <redjaxjm > wrote: Well its better to change docs BEFORE you start tx than to have to do this in the middle of your tx! Abandonment applies to a doc who turfs you without providing for continuing medical care honey. We learned all about that in paramedic school because we too had to make sure to turn the patient over to someone of at least my training or higher meaning that I could only turn over my patient to

another paramedic or nurse or doc,, never to an emt basic.. and a doc cannot stop treating you as a patient without making sure you have another doc to treat you OR HE IS guilty of abandonment! Dont let this jackass push you around honey! please let us know how things turn out! hugs jaxSheena <mom4possums2002 > wrote: And I have to find a new GI before I ever consider it, can you EVEN imagine.. It was sure best that I never got started on tx yet... Wishing you the best! Sheena <marvindamartian05 > wrote: That will be cool! It sound funny but I can't wait for my first shot!!I want to let this dragon know that i mean business. First I have tolet the insurance company know that i mean business, lol!> > > > >> > > > > Hi Sue,> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the nice welcome. > > > > > > > > > > I stopped drinking in the early 90's after a bad alcohol > > > > experience. Two (strong) drinks knocked me on my butt and I was

> > > sick > > > > for several days afterwards. That was enough for me so I haven't > > > had > > > > an alcoholic beverage since. Makes me wonder if the disease was > > > > present at that time.... probably!> > > > > > > > > > I'll be considering everything that I eat, drink or medicate > > > with > > > > very carefully from now on. I just wish I could have found out > > > about > > > > this much, much earlier. I'm hoping that if there is liver damage > > > > that it'll be minimal or none at all.> > > > > > > > > > I've gotten hold of a few meditation CDs to try to reducestress > > > > and will be giving one or two a try later today. I don't work > > > outside > > > > of our home so that's a plus in a

lot of ways insofar as this > > > disease > > > > is concerned. I do some website maintenance and graphic editing > > > here > > > > at home on occasion and those tasks can be done at myconvenience -> > > > > > > this is good, too.> > > > > > > > > > I'll be paying very close attention to all posts within the > > > group! > > > > I'm sure I'm going to learn lots from everyone here. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again,> > > > > > > > > > -Laurie> > > > > > > > > > Re: Intro> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Laurie!> > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome to the Group! You are in the right place...I wasright > > > > where> > > > > > you are just 3 months ago - shocked, scared and confused. I > > > will > > > > tell> > > > > > you that knowledge is power for sure. This group will helpyou > > > a> > > > > > lot,and I also encourage you to find a support group in your > > > area.> > > > > > > > > > > > If you haven't

already - Stop drinking alcohol, even Nyquil, > > > > etc.! And> > > > > > start eating medicinally, remembering everything you consume, > > > > inhale,> > > > > > etc. can either help or hurt your liver.> > > > > > > > > > > > Read everything you can, and get used to to the idea that you > > > MUST> > > > > > become your own advocate for your health. Don't be surprised > > > if, > > > > at> > > > > > times, you feel like you know more about your body, symptoms > > > and > > > > the> > > > > > disease than your own doctor.> > > > > > > > > > > > Be positive, and embrace your faith in God. This will help > > > more > > > > than> > > >

> > you can imagine. Learn to breathe, really breathe, in through > > > your> > > > > > nose, and out through your mouth. Not only will this relax > > > you, it> > > > > > actually massages and stimulates the liver!> > > > > > > > > > > > I know it is hard to relax, but you have to - stress weakens > > > the> > > > > > immune system and that is something you don't need!> > > > > > > > > > > > Finally - listen to Jackie, Janet, Liz and the other folks in > > > this> > > > > > group who have been there, done that. No question is toosmall > > > or > > > > big,> > > > > > and if they don't know the answer they try and find out!> > > > > > > > > > > >

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Why bother they wouldnt do anything to him except slap him on the wrist ...Jackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote: well honey, THAT IS WRONG! You should report him to the AMA!elizabeth savage <elizabethnv1 > wrote: Well that happened and boy did I cry like a baby . But things like this happen in Nevada all the time unfortuanately .Jackie on

<redjaxjm > wrote: Liz, IF HE DID NOT provide for further medical care, then HE ABANDONED YOU! thats serious!elizabeth savage <elizabethnv1 > wrote: Is that like what that one doc did to me when he took me off treatment and said he could no longer be my doc and that was where we had to part ways ...his words Jackie on <redjaxjm > wrote: Well its better to change docs BEFORE you start tx than to have to do this in the middle of your tx! Abandonment applies to a doc who turfs you without

providing for continuing medical care honey. We learned all about that in paramedic school because we too had to make sure to turn the patient over to someone of at least my training or higher meaning that I could only turn over my patient to another paramedic or nurse or doc,, never to an emt basic.. and a doc cannot stop treating you as a patient without making sure you have another doc to treat you OR HE IS guilty of abandonment! Dont let this jackass push you around honey! please let us know how things turn out! hugs jaxSheena <mom4possums2002 > wrote: And I have to find a new GI before I ever consider it, can you EVEN imagine.. It was sure best that I never got

started on tx yet... Wishing you the best! Sheena <marvindamartian05 > wrote: That will be cool! It sound funny but I can't wait for my first shot!!I want to let this dragon know that i mean business. First I have tolet the insurance company know that i mean business, lol!> > > > >> > > > > Hi Sue,> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the

nice welcome. > > > > > > > > > > I stopped drinking in the early 90's after a bad alcohol > > > > experience. Two (strong) drinks knocked me on my butt and I was > > > sick > > > > for several days afterwards. That was enough for me so I haven't > > > had > > > > an alcoholic beverage since. Makes me wonder if the disease was > > > > present at that time.... probably!> > > > > > > > > > I'll be considering everything that I eat, drink or medicate > > > with > > > > very carefully from now on. I just wish I could have found out > > > about > > > > this much, much earlier. I'm hoping that if there is liver damage > > > > that it'll be minimal or none at all.> > > > > > > > > > I've gotten hold of a

few meditation CDs to try to reducestress > > > > and will be giving one or two a try later today. I don't work > > > outside > > > > of our home so that's a plus in a lot of ways insofar as this > > > disease > > > > is concerned. I do some website maintenance and graphic editing > > > here > > > > at home on occasion and those tasks can be done at myconvenience -> > > > > > > this is good, too.> > > > > > > > > > I'll be paying very close attention to all posts within the > > > group! > > > > I'm sure I'm going to learn lots from everyone here. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again,> > > > > > > > > > -Laurie> > > > > > > > > > Re: Intro> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Laurie!> > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome to the Group! You are in the right place...I wasright > > > > where> > > > > > you are just 3 months ago - shocked, scared and confused. I > > > will > > > > tell> > > > > > you that knowledge is power for sure. This group will helpyou > > > a> > > > > > lot,and I also encourage you to find a support group in

your > > > area.> > > > > > > > > > > > If you haven't already - Stop drinking alcohol, even Nyquil, > > > > etc.! And> > > > > > start eating medicinally, remembering everything you consume, > > > > inhale,> > > > > > etc. can either help or hurt your liver.> > > > > > > > > > > > Read everything you can, and get used to to the idea that you > > > MUST> > > > > > become your own advocate for your health. Don't be surprised > > > if, > > > > at> > > > > > times, you feel like you know more about your body, symptoms > > > and > > > > the> > > > > > disease than your own doctor.> > > > > > > > > > > > Be positive, and

embrace your faith in God. This will help > > > more > > > > than> > > > > > you can imagine. Learn to breathe, really breathe, in through > > > your> > > > > > nose, and out through your mouth. Not only will this relax > > > you, it> > > > > > actually massages and stimulates the liver!> > > > > > > > > > > > I know it is hard to relax, but you have to - stress weakens > > > the> > > > > > immune system and that is something you don't need!> > > > > > > > > > > > Finally - listen to Jackie, Janet, Liz and the other folks in > > > this> > > > > > group who have been there, done that. No question is toosmall > > > or > > > > big,> > > > > > and

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Start a paper trail Liz,, it might not cause anything 'right now' to happen to him but in the future it might, especially if others report him too,, PAPER TRAIL!!!elizabeth savage <elizabethnv1@...> wrote: Why bother they wouldnt do anything to him except slap him on the wrist ...Jackie on <redjaxjm > wrote: well honey, THAT IS WRONG! You should report

him to the AMA!elizabeth savage <elizabethnv1 > wrote: Well that happened and boy did I cry like a baby . But things like this happen in Nevada all the time unfortuanately .Jackie on <redjaxjm > wrote: Liz, IF HE DID NOT provide for further medical care, then HE ABANDONED YOU! thats serious!elizabeth savage <elizabethnv1 > wrote: Is that like what that one doc did to me when he took me off treatment and said he could no longer be my doc and that was where we had to part ways ...his words

Jackie on <redjaxjm > wrote: Well its better to change docs BEFORE you start tx than to have to do this in the middle of your tx! Abandonment applies to a doc who turfs you without providing for continuing medical care honey. We learned all about that in paramedic school because we too had to make sure to turn the patient over to someone of at least my training or higher meaning that I could only turn over my patient to another paramedic or nurse or doc,, never to an emt basic.. and a doc cannot stop treating you as a patient without making sure you have another doc to treat you OR HE IS guilty of abandonment! Dont let this jackass push you around honey! please let us know how things turn out! hugs jaxSheena

<mom4possums2002 > wrote: And I have to find a new GI before I ever consider it, can you EVEN imagine.. It was sure best that I never got started on tx yet... Wishing you the best! Sheena <marvindamartian05 > wrote: That will be cool! It sound funny but I can't wait for my first shot!!I want to let this dragon know that i mean business. First I have tolet the insurance company know that i mean business, lol!> > > > >> > > > > Hi Sue,> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the nice welcome. > > > > > > > > > > I stopped drinking in the early 90's after a bad alcohol > > > > experience. Two (strong) drinks knocked me on my butt and I was > > > sick > > > > for several days afterwards. That was enough for me so I haven't > > > had > > > > an alcoholic beverage since. Makes me wonder if the disease was > > > > present at that time.... probably!> > > > > >

> > > > I'll be considering everything that I eat, drink or medicate > > > with > > > > very carefully from now on. I just wish I could have found out > > > about > > > > this much, much earlier. I'm hoping that if there is liver damage > > > > that it'll be minimal or none at all.> > > > > > > > > > I've gotten hold of a few meditation CDs to try to reducestress > > > > and will be giving one or two a try later today. I don't work > > > outside > > > > of our home so that's a plus in a lot of ways insofar as this > > > disease > > > > is concerned. I do some website maintenance and graphic editing > > > here > > > > at home on occasion and those tasks can be done at myconvenience -> > > > > > > this is good,

too.> > > > > > > > > > I'll be paying very close attention to all posts within the > > > group! > > > > I'm sure I'm going to learn lots from everyone here. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again,> > > > > > > > > > -Laurie> > > > > > > > > > Re: Intro> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Laurie!> > > > > > > > > > > >

Welcome to the Group! You are in the right place...I wasright > > > > where> > > > > > you are just 3 months ago - shocked, scared and confused. I > > > will > > > > tell> > > > > > you that knowledge is power for sure. This group will helpyou > > > a> > > > > > lot,and I also encourage you to find a support group in your > > > area.> > > > > > > > > > > > If you haven't already - Stop drinking alcohol, even Nyquil, > > > > etc.! And> > > > > > start eating medicinally, remembering everything you consume, > > > > inhale,> > > > > > etc. can either help or hurt your liver.> > > > > > > > > > > > Read everything you can, and get used to to the idea that you > >

> MUST> > > > > > become your own advocate for your health. Don't be surprised > > > if, > > > > at> > > > > > times, you feel like you know more about your body, symptoms > > > and > > > > the> > > > > > disease than your own doctor.> > > > > > > > > > > > Be positive, and embrace your faith in God. This will help > > > more > > > > than> > > > > > you can imagine. Learn to breathe, really breathe, in through > > > your> > > > > > nose, and out through your mouth. Not only will this relax > > > you, it> > > > > > actually massages and stimulates the liver!> > > > > > > > > > > > I know it is hard to relax, but you have to - stress weakens

> > > the> > > > > > immune system and that is something you don't need!> > > > > > > > > > > > Finally - listen to Jackie, Janet, Liz and the other folks in > > > this> > > > > > group who have been there, done that. No question is toosmall > > > or > > > > big,> > > > > > and if they don't know the answer they try and find out!> > > > > > > > > > > > God Bless You,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > > > > > > > > > > > >

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I did but that was 2 yrs ago Jackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote: Start a paper trail Liz,, it might not cause anything 'right now' to happen to him but in the future it might, especially if others report him too,, PAPER TRAIL!!!elizabeth savage <elizabethnv1 > wrote: Why bother they wouldnt do anything to him except slap him on the wrist

....Jackie on <redjaxjm > wrote: well honey, THAT IS WRONG! You should report him to the AMA!elizabeth savage <elizabethnv1 > wrote: Well that happened and boy did I cry like a baby . But things like this happen in Nevada all the time unfortuanately .Jackie on <redjaxjm > wrote: Liz, IF HE DID NOT provide for further medical care, then HE ABANDONED YOU! thats serious!elizabeth savage <elizabethnv1 > wrote: Is that like what that one doc did to me when he took me off treatment and said he could no longer be my doc and that was where we had to part ways ...his words Jackie on <redjaxjm > wrote: Well its better to change docs BEFORE you start tx than to have to do this in the middle of your tx! Abandonment applies to a doc who turfs you without providing for continuing medical care honey. We learned all about that in paramedic school because we too had to make sure to turn the patient over to someone of at least my training or higher meaning that I could only turn over my patient to another paramedic or nurse or doc,, never to an emt basic.. and a doc cannot stop treating you as a patient without making

sure you have another doc to treat you OR HE IS guilty of abandonment! Dont let this jackass push you around honey! please let us know how things turn out! hugs jaxSheena <mom4possums2002 > wrote: And I have to find a new GI before I ever consider it, can you EVEN imagine.. It was sure best that I never got started on tx yet... Wishing you the best! Sheena <marvindamartian05 > wrote: That will be cool! It sound funny but I can't

wait for my first shot!!I want to let this dragon know that i mean business. First I have tolet the insurance company know that i mean business, lol!> > > > >> > > > > Hi Sue,> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the nice welcome. > > > > > > > > > > I stopped drinking in the early 90's after a bad alcohol > > > > experience. Two (strong) drinks knocked me on my butt and I was > > > sick > > > > for several days afterwards. That was enough for me so I haven't > > > had > > >

> an alcoholic beverage since. Makes me wonder if the disease was > > > > present at that time.... probably!> > > > > > > > > > I'll be considering everything that I eat, drink or medicate > > > with > > > > very carefully from now on. I just wish I could have found out > > > about > > > > this much, much earlier. I'm hoping that if there is liver damage > > > > that it'll be minimal or none at all.> > > > > > > > > > I've gotten hold of a few meditation CDs to try to reducestress > > > > and will be giving one or two a try later today. I don't work > > > outside > > > > of our home so that's a plus in a lot of ways insofar as this > > > disease > > > > is concerned. I do some website maintenance and graphic editing > >

> here > > > > at home on occasion and those tasks can be done at myconvenience -> > > > > > > this is good, too.> > > > > > > > > > I'll be paying very close attention to all posts within the > > > group! > > > > I'm sure I'm going to learn lots from everyone here. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again,> > > > > > > > > > -Laurie> > > > > > > > > > Re: Intro> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Laurie!> > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome to the Group! You are in the right place...I wasright > > > > where> > > > > > you are just 3 months ago - shocked, scared and confused. I > > > will > > > > tell> > > > > > you that knowledge is power for sure. This group will helpyou > > > a> > > > > > lot,and I also encourage you to find a support group in your > > > area.> > > > > > > > > > > > If you haven't already - Stop drinking alcohol, even Nyquil, > > > > etc.! And> > > > > > start eating medicinally, remembering everything you consume, > > > > inhale,> > > > > > etc. can either help or hurt

your liver.> > > > > > > > > > > > Read everything you can, and get used to to the idea that you > > > MUST> > > > > > become your own advocate for your health. Don't be surprised > > > if, > > > > at> > > > > > times, you feel like you know more about your body, symptoms > > > and > > > > the> > > > > > disease than your own doctor.> > > > > > > > > > > > Be positive, and embrace your faith in God. This will help > > > more > > > > than> > > > > > you can imagine. Learn to breathe, really breathe, in through > > > your> > > > > > nose, and out through your mouth. Not only will this relax > > > you, it> > > > > > actually massages

and stimulates the liver!> > > > > > > > > > > > I know it is hard to relax, but you have to - stress weakens > > > the> > > > > > immune system and that is something you don't need!> > > > > > > > > > > > Finally - listen to Jackie, Janet, Liz and the other folks in > > > this> > > > > > group who have been there, done that. No question is toosmall > > > or > > > > big,> > > > > > and if they don't know the answer they try and find out!> > > > > > > > > > > > God Bless You,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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it doesnt matter IF IT was 10 years ago,, start a paper trail! lol,,, Im a rebel honey!elizabeth savage <elizabethnv1@...> wrote: I did but that was 2 yrs ago Jackie on <redjaxjm > wrote: Start a paper trail Liz,, it might not cause anything 'right now' to happen to him but in the future it might, especially if others report him too,, PAPER

TRAIL!!!elizabeth savage <elizabethnv1 > wrote: Why bother they wouldnt do anything to him except slap him on the wrist ...Jackie on <redjaxjm > wrote: well honey, THAT IS WRONG! You should report him to the AMA!elizabeth savage <elizabethnv1 > wrote: Well that happened and boy did I cry like a baby . But things like this happen in Nevada all the time unfortuanately .Jackie on <redjaxjm > wrote: Liz, IF HE DID NOT provide for further medical care, then HE ABANDONED YOU! thats serious!elizabeth savage <elizabethnv1 > wrote: Is that like what that one doc did to me when he took me off treatment and said he could no longer be my doc and that was where we had to part ways ...his words Jackie on <redjaxjm > wrote: Well its better to change docs BEFORE you start tx than to have to do this in the middle of your tx! Abandonment applies to a doc who turfs you without providing for continuing medical care honey. We learned all about that in paramedic school

because we too had to make sure to turn the patient over to someone of at least my training or higher meaning that I could only turn over my patient to another paramedic or nurse or doc,, never to an emt basic.. and a doc cannot stop treating you as a patient without making sure you have another doc to treat you OR HE IS guilty of abandonment! Dont let this jackass push you around honey! please let us know how things turn out! hugs jaxSheena <mom4possums2002 > wrote: And I have to find a new GI before I ever consider it, can you EVEN imagine.. It was sure best that I never got started on tx yet... Wishing you the best! Sheena <marvindamartian05 > wrote: That will be cool! It sound funny but I can't wait for my first shot!!I want to let this dragon know that i mean business. First I have tolet the insurance company know that i mean business, lol!> > > > >> > > > > Hi Sue,> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the nice welcome. > > > > > > > > > >

I stopped drinking in the early 90's after a bad alcohol > > > > experience. Two (strong) drinks knocked me on my butt and I was > > > sick > > > > for several days afterwards. That was enough for me so I haven't > > > had > > > > an alcoholic beverage since. Makes me wonder if the disease was > > > > present at that time.... probably!> > > > > > > > > > I'll be considering everything that I eat, drink or medicate > > > with > > > > very carefully from now on. I just wish I could have found out > > > about > > > > this much, much earlier. I'm hoping that if there is liver damage > > > > that it'll be minimal or none at all.> > > > > > > > > > I've gotten hold of a few meditation CDs to try to reducestress > > > > and

will be giving one or two a try later today. I don't work > > > outside > > > > of our home so that's a plus in a lot of ways insofar as this > > > disease > > > > is concerned. I do some website maintenance and graphic editing > > > here > > > > at home on occasion and those tasks can be done at myconvenience -> > > > > > > this is good, too.> > > > > > > > > > I'll be paying very close attention to all posts within the > > > group! > > > > I'm sure I'm going to learn lots from everyone here. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again,> > > > > > > > > > -Laurie> > > > > > > > > > Re: Intro> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Laurie!> > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome to the Group! You are in the right place...I wasright > > > > where> > > > > > you are just 3 months ago - shocked, scared and confused. I > > > will > > > > tell> > > > > > you that knowledge is power for sure. This group will helpyou > > > a> > > > > > lot,and I also encourage you to find a support group in your > > > area.> >

> > > > > > > > > > If you haven't already - Stop drinking alcohol, even Nyquil, > > > > etc.! And> > > > > > start eating medicinally, remembering everything you consume, > > > > inhale,> > > > > > etc. can either help or hurt your liver.> > > > > > > > > > > > Read everything you can, and get used to to the idea that you > > > MUST> > > > > > become your own advocate for your health. Don't be surprised > > > if, > > > > at> > > > > > times, you feel like you know more about your body, symptoms > > > and > > > > the> > > > > > disease than your own doctor.> > > > > > > > > > > > Be positive, and embrace your faith in God. This will help

> > > more > > > > than> > > > > > you can imagine. Learn to breathe, really breathe, in through > > > your> > > > > > nose, and out through your mouth. Not only will this relax > > > you, it> > > > > > actually massages and stimulates the liver!> > > > > > > > > > > > I know it is hard to relax, but you have to - stress weakens > > > the> > > > > > immune system and that is something you don't need!> > > > > > > > > > > > Finally - listen to Jackie, Janet, Liz and the other folks in > > > this> > > > > > group who have been there, done that. No question is toosmall > > > or > > > > big,> > > > > > and if they don't know the answer they try and

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My kinda girl. lol sharonelizabeth savage <elizabethnv1@...> wrote: Now you got my interest with that , hot cocoa with peppermint sounds sooo yummy Sharon Crosby <blubirdxoxo@...> wrote: Or hot cocoa with peppermint. YUMMY!! SharonJanet <doc_jade > wrote: Peppermints?? How about a cup of hot tea with a peppermint in it. *drools* Girl you are okay in my book. Love JanetSharon Crosby <blubirdxoxo > wrote: Thanks, . Your advice is sound. I drink very little soda and no processed meat. I DO eat canned soup sometimes, tho. I really prefer home made. I eat healthy and I walk on my treadmill at least 3 times a week and rest a lot. I think my lifestyle is healthy. I love apple cider and cranberry mix juices. My one failing is that I love peptomints and will eat as many as six in an evening. That's not a lot, but I do it every day. SharonJackie on <redjaxjm > wrote: EXCELLENT ,, excellent

advise! <marvindamartian05 > wrote: Sharon, I am not a big proponent of "products", especially if you are tryingto accomplish what is essentially a simple act. So, I did not buy anyof those "liver cleanse" products in the stores! Many of them justencourage diarrhea, and you don't need to spend $12 on THAT!I am not saying that they are "bad", it's just that if you take sometime to study all of the labels, they mainly contain things such assilymarin (milk thistle), dandelion, choline and lots of other thingsthat I have already integrated into my diet and supplement "plan". Iam not advocating that you do what I do (check with your doctor), andLord knows I an not a health professional, but I read a lot. And Ikeep to the KISS principle.I learned that the

function of the liver is to cleanse, so you wouldbe "cleansing the cleanser" if you do what many of these "livercleanse" products advise. Sounds kinda funny! Also it's a short termsolution. So what I did was make the liver better able to it's job bycommitting to a lifestyle change that will be perpetual...not just aweekend "when-I-can-stay-near-the-bathroom" type of thing. Of course,in the beginning, that's exactly what it is, as you are taking inmainly liquid to try and flush out as many toxins that way as you can.There are some books out there (such as Dr. Cabot's book), andlots of good info in them, but often the author has some side agenda,such as selling their own "liver tonic" or what have you. A reallygreat book (and it does also recommend certain products, but the tiein isn't obvious) is The Hep C Help Book. One of the authors, Dr. Gishis an ESTEEMED liver doc up in San Francisco, and the

other author isa TCM (traditional Chinese Medicine) expert. They mention a lot ofexcellent food for the liver. So, get a book that not only talks about"detoxing", but about "liver health" in particular. You aren't analcoholic or drug addict just trying to clean yourself up after abinge, you are a person with a chronic illness who is making alifestyle change.It's not only by eliminating waste that your body cleanses itself oftoxins, but through the pores as well. If you can get to a sauna (TheHep C Help book advocates a dry sauna, I believe - as opposed to asteam bath), it is great to do this. Exercising, to the extentpossible, will also make you sweat. Obviously, while you do all ofthis expelling of toxins, you are also putting good stuff into yourbody, such as water of course, but I also take about 2 oz ofwheatgrass a day (fresh squeezed). All of the grasses (barley grass,wheat grass, etc.) are great for the

liver. If you can't get freshsqueezed, go to the health food store and get some "super green" orother green foods supplement, or Odwalla Super Food juice.I am writing too much, sorry to ramble...just one last thing...soda(cokes for those in the South, pop for mid-westerners) is one of theWORST things you can put into your body, along with processed meatswhich contain nitrates. The junk in these "foods" stays in your fatcells and contibute to the development of cancer, deplete the calciumin your bones, etc. Get this junk OUT of you, and DO NOT put anymorein! I used to love my Diet Pepsi, but I love my pomagranate juice evenmore because of the good it does for my body.Hope that helps!> Kerri~> > I was feeling just like you describe until a few week ago - I detoxed> my body and started taking supplements and vitamins, etc., and this is> the most important thing...drinking LOTS of water. I feel almost> normal again! I know it's mainly the hydration, because yesterday I> had to drive up to Pasadena for a meeting, and didn't drink my usual> amount of water (didn't want to

have to make multiple stops!) and by 4> in the afternoon, I was just shot!> > I won't be able to start treatment until at least April due to> insurance issues, so I am trying to get, and stay as healthy as> possible beforehand. Since I detoxed (not only stopped alcohol, fast> food, processed food, etc but also got them out of my system!) and> started "super-hydrating", it has made all the difference.> > I know that ALL of the junk isn't out of my body (fat cells store> toxins for years) but much of it is. While you are detoxing, you will> feel like crap...I warn you. Your skin will break out, you will have> diarrhea, BUT that is the body ridding itself of poison. While you are> getting rid of poison and replacing it with good stuff (water, organic> food, supplements) your body goes through a transition period and then> you come out "on the other side"...feeling

much better. I now have no> craving for alcohol, fast food, etc. I tried to take a bite of a> whopper a few weeks ago, and it tasted like garbage. Couldn't wait to> get a hold of some fruit salad!> > I have lost 11 lbs, and someone at work said to me the other day "what> are you doing? you look great!". Just 2 months ago I looked bloated,> dark circles under eyes, etc. Now skin is glowing, eyes are clear,> weight is finally coming off. I am starting to feel less like a> "person with a disease", and now I feel like socializing again.> > Good Luck! > > > ---------------------------------> Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.>Jackie Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Take the ordinary things of life, and make them your own. Do the impossible with a smile Everyone is raving about the all-new beta. Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Answers. Have a burning question? Go to Answers and get answers from real people who know.

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And peppermint is great for those with upset tummies Sharon Crosby <blubirdxoxo@...> wrote: My kinda girl. lol sharonelizabeth savage <elizabethnv1 > wrote: Now you got my interest with that , hot cocoa with peppermint sounds sooo yummy Sharon Crosby <blubirdxoxo > wrote: Or hot cocoa with peppermint. YUMMY!! SharonJanet <doc_jade > wrote: Peppermints?? How about a cup of hot tea with a peppermint in it. *drools* Girl you are okay in my book. Love JanetSharon Crosby <blubirdxoxo > wrote: Thanks, . Your advice is sound. I drink very little soda and no processed meat. I DO eat canned soup sometimes, tho. I really prefer home made. I eat healthy and I walk on my treadmill at least 3

times a week and rest a lot. I think my lifestyle is healthy. I love apple cider and cranberry mix juices. My one failing is that I love peptomints and will eat as many as six in an evening. That's not a lot, but I do it every day. SharonJackie on <redjaxjm > wrote: EXCELLENT ,, excellent advise! <marvindamartian05 > wrote: Sharon, I am not a big proponent of "products", especially if you are tryingto accomplish what is essentially a simple act. So, I did not buy anyof those "liver cleanse" products in the stores! Many of them justencourage diarrhea, and you don't need to spend $12 on THAT!I am not saying

that they are "bad", it's just that if you take sometime to study all of the labels, they mainly contain things such assilymarin (milk thistle), dandelion, choline and lots of other thingsthat I have already integrated into my diet and supplement "plan". Iam not advocating that you do what I do (check with your doctor), andLord knows I an not a health professional, but I read a lot. And Ikeep to the KISS principle.I learned that the function of the liver is to cleanse, so you wouldbe "cleansing the cleanser" if you do what many of these "livercleanse" products advise. Sounds kinda funny! Also it's a short termsolution. So what I did was make the liver better able to it's job bycommitting to a lifestyle change that will be perpetual...not just aweekend "when-I-can-stay-near-the-bathroom" type of thing. Of course,in the beginning, that's exactly what it is, as you are taking inmainly liquid to try and

flush out as many toxins that way as you can.There are some books out there (such as Dr. Cabot's book), andlots of good info in them, but often the author has some side agenda,such as selling their own "liver tonic" or what have you. A reallygreat book (and it does also recommend certain products, but the tiein isn't obvious) is The Hep C Help Book. One of the authors, Dr. Gishis an ESTEEMED liver doc up in San Francisco, and the other author isa TCM (traditional Chinese Medicine) expert. They mention a lot ofexcellent food for the liver. So, get a book that not only talks about"detoxing", but about "liver health" in particular. You aren't analcoholic or drug addict just trying to clean yourself up after abinge, you are a person with a chronic illness who is making alifestyle change.It's not only by eliminating waste that your body cleanses itself oftoxins, but through the pores as well. If you can get

to a sauna (TheHep C Help book advocates a dry sauna, I believe - as opposed to asteam bath), it is great to do this. Exercising, to the extentpossible, will also make you sweat. Obviously, while you do all ofthis expelling of toxins, you are also putting good stuff into yourbody, such as water of course, but I also take about 2 oz ofwheatgrass a day (fresh squeezed). All of the grasses (barley grass,wheat grass, etc.) are great for the liver. If you can't get freshsqueezed, go to the health food store and get some "super green" orother green foods supplement, or Odwalla Super Food juice.I am writing too much, sorry to ramble...just one last thing...soda(cokes for those in the South, pop for mid-westerners) is one of theWORST things you can put into your body, along with processed meatswhich contain nitrates. The junk in these "foods" stays in your fatcells and contibute to the development of cancer, deplete the

calciumin your bones, etc. Get this junk OUT of you, and DO NOT put anymorein! I used to love my Diet Pepsi, but I love my pomagranate juice evenmore because of the good it does for my body.Hope that helps!> Kerri~> > I was feeling just like you describe until a few week ago - I detoxed> my body and started taking supplements and vitamins, etc., and this is> the most important thing...drinking LOTS of water. I feel almost> normal again! I know it's mainly the hydration, because yesterday I> had to drive up to Pasadena for a meeting, and didn't drink my usual> amount of water (didn't want to have to make multiple stops!) and by 4> in the afternoon, I was just shot!> > I won't be able to start treatment until at least April due to> insurance issues, so I am trying to get, and stay as healthy as> possible beforehand. Since I detoxed (not only stopped alcohol, fast> food, processed food, etc but also got them out of my system!) and> started "super-hydrating", it has made all the difference.> > I know that ALL of the

junk isn't out of my body (fat cells store> toxins for years) but much of it is. While you are detoxing, you will> feel like crap...I warn you. Your skin will break out, you will have> diarrhea, BUT that is the body ridding itself of poison. While you are> getting rid of poison and replacing it with good stuff (water, organic> food, supplements) your body goes through a transition period and then> you come out "on the other side"...feeling much better. I now have no> craving for alcohol, fast food, etc. I tried to take a bite of a> whopper a few weeks ago, and it tasted like garbage. Couldn't wait to> get a hold of some fruit salad!> > I have lost 11 lbs, and someone at work said to me the other day "what> are you doing? you look great!". Just 2 months ago I looked bloated,> dark circles under eyes, etc. Now skin is glowing, eyes are clear,> weight is finally coming off. I am

starting to feel less like a> "person with a disease", and now I feel like socializing again.> > Good Luck! > > > ---------------------------------> Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.>Jackie Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Take the ordinary things of life, and make them your own. Do the impossible with a smile Everyone is raving about the all-new beta. Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Answers. Have a burning question? Go to Answers and get answers from real people who know. Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

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