Re: Gotta probiotic/culture question for ya!

[Guest guest]

Somebody else is probably going to answer this more in detail than me, but I

would chime in. My guess is that the milk itself is transformed enough by

the cultures prior to you using it in your cooking that it still confers

some benefits, like through change of the proteins, reduction of lactose,

production of vitamins, etc. But, yes, you do kill of the actual bacteria if

you cook them above food internal temp of 118F. The other benefit is the use

of the bacteria in soaking foods prior to cooking. Oh, and probably

something about the acid produced by the bacteria having some effect on

mineral absorption.

All that is super great. However, I wouldn't get too crazy-making about it.

Just use it when you can and if you like the taste, etc. I'm sure there are

other factors of your diet and lifestyle that have greater impact on your

total health than what kind of milk is in your pancakes! That said,

marksdailyapple.com has an article about the measured effects of soaking on

nuts and seeds and another which talks about soaked grains. The soaked

grains article was posted in the last month.

[Guest guest]

Yes , cooking lends a lot of effects to the foods and mostly in the

'deleterious' category.

You will lose your enzyme benefit, meaning that where prior to cooking the food

would have contained a lot of the enzymes necessary for digestion, now your

pancreas will be doing that work.

You lose the benefit of adding gut flora to your intestines, these are the guys

that do the digesting of your food. Not the end of the world if you do get a

substantial amount of living foods, but still not a good thing.

There are some other problems with cooking dairy products, like the production

of a host of toxins and the loss of biophotons, but that is not unique to dairy

and is an issue with all cooking to varying extent.

So, yes, buttermilk, etc, best consumed unheated, not a huge difference to use

pasteurized or raw, except that it's a bit of a waste of raw, lifegiving food.

[Guest guest]

I have read articles in the past that say that even dead probiotics are good for

you, because the DNA and cells actually can still be spread through the body

which can somehow be used. I don't really understand it, but then again, we

don't really understand bacteria, how they do their thing and how they help us

except in really basic terms. So, use it and don't worry.

[Guest guest]

Being on digest, maybe someone else has already pointed this out, but when

you cook pancakes with buttermilk or kefir, you are also altering the grains

for the better by exposing them to an acid, you are neutralizing the phyates

increasing the digestability of the grains. (and of course soaking

overnight is ideal, but 20 minutes is better than nothing.) So while you

kill the bugs, there still is benefit to cooking with buttermilk or kefir.

Carol

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Thanks for the replies. We eat a lot of raw cheese and have an abundance of the

raw milk so I was not so much concerned about getting enough good bacteria

inside, I was more wondering the benefits of eating something that should be

" dead " once it is cooked.

I am on several groups and stuff on facebook that keeps providing a lot of

recipes for using buttermilk, kefir, etc., in making waffles, pancakes, etc.,

but none of them even got into why it was good to use the ferments.

I have been making Kashkaval out of the goat milk and Sirene out of the cow

milk, both true raw cheeses that are drained for about 5 days prior to eating

them. We make Sirene po Shopski using those two and the kids love it! A little

heavy for warm days but a good breakfast or early day meal. We nibble on the

cheese before it is cooked and has nabbed a few chunks to chow on when no

one is looking!

Also made up some kefir smoothies and froze them in those little ice pop cups

you can get at the store. Those are nice for when it is hot. Not sure what all

changes when you freeze the probiotics but figure it is much better than those

sugar pops from the local grocery store!

[Guest guest]

, if you want more of a detailed answer to what I was saying, do you

own nourishing traditions? She explains it better than I do.

carol