RE: Re: Acupuncture/Chinese Herbs

October 28, 2006

I'm glad you mentioned the massuese because I am thinking of starting with one next month, one a a week. She is giving me a cut rate on the cost because of being on chemo. I wasn't sure if it would make much a difference or not but thought it couldn't hurt, right?

Ally

On 10/27/06, rachel <DreamWoven@...> wrote:

Hi susan... glad you feel that the acupuncture is helping you too. I also started taking Qi Dong classes, which i feel really helped alot also. I am sure that a big part of it has to do with the fact that I feel I am taking an active part in making myself well and keeping myself well.

I finished treatment last March. I was clear from the 4th week of tx forward (24 weeks). When I did my 3 month blood test after stopping tx, it came back with a higher VL then i ever began with, and two weeks after that it was even higher. Of course no doctor ever told me that if it came back, it would come back with a vengence.

I started really looking into a more eastern approach to dealing with HCV... since China has a very large part of its population infected with this nasty little virus and they have been treating it for quite awhile. This site http://www.hepcchallenge.org/choices/chinese.htm had some interesting info.

My acupuncturist is treating several HCV patients (and i live in a small community). One decided not to use western methods at all, one went thru standard western tx and was using acupuncture and herbs during and after and i believe she is still 'clear', and me. There are several others, but i dont have their background. Obviously they all are finding some help with acupuncture and herbs or they wouldnt continue the use of these things...... I had a great massuese (sp?) during my tx and it really did help me... wish i had gone to acupuncture during my tx.... because i do believe it would have helped.

I am sure that the acupuncture will help you through your tx... and i wish you the best of luck.....

rachel

> >> > Hepatitis CI've been taking the following herbs as well as> having acupuncture done 1x a week for the last 4 months and have

> noticed a VERY BIG difference in how i feel and how much energy and> endurance i have.> > > > Clear Heat: Isatis extract leaf and root, Oldenlandia herb,> Lonicera flower, Prunella herb, Andrographis herb, Laminaria leaf,

> Viola herb and root, Cordyceps fruiting body, Licorice Root> > > > Bupleurum & Gardenia Tablets: Bupleurum, Red peony, Astragalus,> Oldenalandia, Gardenia, Forsythia> >

> > I am very pleased with going to acupuncture.... and one of the> things i enjoy the most is that for an hour to an hour and a half, i> can lay there, relaxing, (or meditating) and spend some real time with

> myself, with no interference. > > > > Hope that info is helpful to anyone that chooses to add these> alternatives to their lifestyle or to their current tx.> > > >

> >>

October 28, 2006

Thanks ,

maybe this will help me to be more disciplined about drinking water! Oh, I'll be half way thru when I am at 36 weeks, since I'm doing 72 altogether so I'm closer to half way then ever, can't wait to reach that point!

Ally

On 10/28/06, rachel <DreamWoven@...> wrote:

hi ally.... sorry to hear about the late side fx you are feeling. drinktons more water... it really really does help with the headaches andwhat i found worked for me was keeping tylenol in my system. whatever

amount your dr. says you can take...if its 2 every 4 hours or 6 hours,TAKE IT....every 4 or 6 hours... the buildup really helped me fight offsome of the lesser flu-like symptoms.re: massage.... it helped me.... and like i said... a big part of it was

the fact that i was " doing it for me " . that was my time.... no oneelses... my time to think about me, to care for me, to pamper me, to letsomeone else heal me, without thinking about the dogs or kids or partner

or work.i would not have gotten thru tx without it (well thats not really true,but you get my drift)and damn girl! you are more then halfway thru tx, arent you? iremember when you started!

take care,rachel> > > >> > > > Hepatitis CI've been taking the following herbs as wellas> > > having acupuncture done 1x a week for the last 4 months and have

> > > noticed a VERY BIG difference in how i feel and how much energyand> > > endurance i have.> > > >> > > > Clear Heat: Isatis extract leaf and root, Oldenlandia herb,

> > > Lonicera flower, Prunella herb, Andrographis herb, Laminaria leaf,> > > Viola herb and root, Cordyceps fruiting body, Licorice Root> > > >> > > > Bupleurum & Gardenia Tablets: Bupleurum, Red peony, Astragalus,

> > > Oldenalandia, Gardenia, Forsythia> > > >> > > > I am very pleased with going to acupuncture.... and one of the> > > things i enjoy the most is that for an hour to an hour and a half,

i> > > can lay there, relaxing, (or meditating) and spend some real timewith> > > myself, with no interference.> > > >> > > > Hope that info is helpful to anyone that chooses to add these

> > > alternatives to their lifestyle or to their current tx.> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >>

October 28, 2006

Ally I agree with the tylenol thing,, if you can keep the aches at bay, it really does help make tx more manigible,, but remember,, YOU must NEVER exceed 2000 mg of Tylenol in any 24 hour period... I would say that IF you could take the tylenol before you go to bed, it might help you sleep better and then one other time during the day,,, but you need to look at ALL the meds you take to make sure you dont exceed that 2 gram or 2000 mg TOTAL dose per day of tylenol.. My doc said since I didnt have any problems with Advil, I could ALSO, in ADDITION to the 2000 mg of Tylenol , I could take up to 1600 mg of Advil too,, THEY both work differently so they CAN be taken together..but as long as you dont exceed the maximum daily amounts, you can take them whenever.. does that make sense? I found that alternating or taking 1 Tylenol and 2 advil at the same time made ALL my headaches and body aches go away as long as I drank the gallon of water.. just my 2 cents, jaxAlly <4thMoon@...> wrote: Thanks , maybe this will help me to be more disciplined about drinking water! Oh, I'll be half way thru when I am at 36 weeks, since I'm doing 72 altogether so I'm closer to half way then ever, can't wait to reach that point! Ally On 10/28/06, rachel <DreamWovenearthlink (DOT) net> wrote: hi ally.... sorry to hear about the late side fx you are feeling. drinktons more water... it really really does help with the headaches andwhat i found worked for me was keeping tylenol in my system. whatever amount your dr. says you can take...if its 2 every 4 hours or 6 hours,TAKE IT....every 4 or 6 hours... the buildup really helped me fight offsome of the lesser flu-like symptoms.re: massage.... it helped me.... and like i said... a big part of it was the fact that i was "doing it for me". that was my time.... no oneelses... my time to think about me, to care for me, to pamper me, to letsomeone else heal me, without thinking about the dogs or kids or partner or work.i would not have gotten

thru tx without it (well thats not really true,but you get my drift)and damn girl! you are more then halfway thru tx, arent you? iremember when you started!take care,rachel> > > >> > > > Hepatitis CI've been taking the following herbs as wellas> > > having acupuncture done 1x a week for the last 4 months and have > > > noticed a VERY BIG difference in how i feel and how much energyand> > > endurance i have.> > > >> > >

> Clear Heat: Isatis extract leaf and root, Oldenlandia herb, > > > Lonicera flower, Prunella herb, Andrographis herb, Laminaria leaf,> > > Viola herb and root, Cordyceps fruiting body, Licorice Root> > > >> > > > Bupleurum & Gardenia Tablets: Bupleurum, Red peony, Astragalus, > > > Oldenalandia, Gardenia, Forsythia> > > >> > > > I am very pleased with going to acupuncture.... and one of the> > > things i enjoy the most is that for an hour to an hour and a half, i> > > can lay there, relaxing, (or meditating) and spend some real timewith> > > myself, with no interference.> > > >> > > > Hope that info is helpful to anyone that chooses to add these > > > alternatives to their lifestyle or to their current tx.> > > >> > > > >

> > >> > >> >> >> >> Jackie

October 28, 2006

Many geno 2's are NOW treating for that full 48 weeks, especially IF you have lots of damage.. Maybe a longer tx would kick it to the curb! I have seen many who relapsed but WERE ABLE to successfully tx in the 2nd go around.... dont give up!rachel <DreamWoven@...> wrote: susan: "together".....i've been accused of a lot of things.....LOL!!!!i am a 2B. i started out with a 688,000 vl and normal alt/ast levels. dropped to 14,600 within 1 week of tx and to 0

within 4 weeks. cameback 3 months after finishing tx with a vl of 3,300,000 and within 2weeks after that it was 4,260,000. se la vie'.You know the saying about never saying never? well i won't say it...but right now i have no intention of going thru tx again. it took it'stoll on me and my family. I'm 53, liver in good shape and it's notgoing to be HepC that is gonna kill me. I'm going to do my best to keepmyself healthy, keep my liver extremely happy and enjoy life to thefullest. I believe wholeheartedly in quality over quantity... but....the way tx is changing so rapidy... who knows what the future may hold?thanx so much for asking!> > > >> > > > Hepatitis CI've been taking the following herbs as wellas> > > having acupuncture done 1x a week for the last 4 months and have> > > noticed a VERY BIG difference in how i feel and how much energyand> > > endurance i have.> > > >> > > > Clear Heat: Isatis extract leaf and root, Oldenlandia

herb,> > > Lonicera flower, Prunella herb, Andrographis herb, Laminaria leaf,> > > Viola herb and root, Cordyceps fruiting body, Licorice Root> > > >> > > > Bupleurum & Gardenia Tablets: Bupleurum, Red peony, Astragalus,> > > Oldenalandia, Gardenia, Forsythia> > > >> > > > I am very pleased with going to acupuncture.... and one of the> > > things i enjoy the most is that for an hour to an hour and a half,i> > > can lay there, relaxing, (or meditating) and spend some real timewith> > > myself, with no interference.> > > >> > > > Hope that info is helpful to anyone that chooses to add these> > > alternatives to their lifestyle or to their current tx.> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >>

>>Jackie

October 28, 2006

Thanks Jax,

Yeah, my Dr also told me the 2g limit on Tylenol. I am being very careful with that too, the last thing I want to do is somehow compromise my liver after all this work. I am feeling much better today too so I am SO grateful for that! I do have some advil too so will keep that in mind. Hopefully I won't need it everyday only on Fridays and maybe the weekend. I have my fingers crossed on that one.

Ally

On 10/28/06, Jackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote:

Ally

I agree with the tylenol thing,, if you can keep the aches at bay, it really does help make tx more manigible,, but remember,, YOU must NEVER exceed 2000 mg of Tylenol in any 24 hour period... I would say that IF you could take the tylenol before you go to bed, it might help you sleep better and then one other time during the day,,, but you need to look at ALL the meds you take to make sure you dont exceed that 2 gram or 2000 mg TOTAL dose per day of tylenol.. My doc said since I didnt have any problems with Advil, I could ALSO, in ADDITION to the 2000 mg of Tylenol , I could take up to 1600 mg of Advil too,, THEY both work differently so they CAN be taken together..but as long as you dont exceed the maximum daily amounts, you can take them whenever.. does that make sense? I found that alternating or taking 1 Tylenol and 2 advil at the same time made ALL my headaches and body aches go away as long as I drank the gallon of water..

just my 2 cents,

jax Ally <4thMoon@...> wrote:

Thanks ,

maybe this will help me to be more disciplined about drinking water! Oh, I'll be half way thru when I am at 36 weeks, since I'm doing 72 altogether so I'm closer to half way then ever, can't wait to reach that point!

Ally

On 10/28/06, rachel <DreamWoven@...

> wrote:

hi ally.... sorry to hear about the late side fx you are feeling. drinktons more water... it really really does help with the headaches andwhat i found worked for me was keeping tylenol in my system. whatever amount your dr. says you can take...if its 2 every 4 hours or 6 hours,TAKE IT....every 4 or 6 hours... the buildup really helped me fight offsome of the lesser flu-like symptoms.re: massage.... it helped me.... and like i said... a big part of it was the fact that i was " doing it for me " . that was my time.... no oneelses... my time to think about me, to care for me, to pamper me, to letsomeone else heal me, without thinking about the dogs or kids or partner or work.i would not have gotten thru tx without it (well thats not really true,but you get my drift)and damn girl! you are more then halfway thru tx, arent you? iremember when you started!

take care,rachel> > > >> > > > Hepatitis CI've been taking the following herbs as wellas> > > having acupuncture done 1x a week for the last 4 months and have > > > noticed a VERY BIG difference in how i feel and how much energyand> > > endurance i have.> > > >> > > > Clear Heat: Isatis extract leaf and root, Oldenlandia herb, > > > Lonicera flower, Prunella herb, Andrographis herb, Laminaria leaf,> > > Viola herb and root, Cordyceps fruiting body, Licorice Root> > > >> > > > Bupleurum & Gardenia Tablets: Bupleurum, Red peony, Astragalus, > > > Oldenalandia, Gardenia, Forsythia> > > >> > > > I am very pleased with going to acupuncture.... and one of the> > > things i enjoy the most is that for an hour to an hour and a half, i> > > can lay there, relaxing, (or meditating) and spend some real timewith> > > myself, with no interference.> > > >> > > > Hope that info is helpful to anyone that chooses to add these > > > alternatives to their lifestyle or to their current tx.> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> >>

Jackie

October 28, 2006

Ally, massage is really helpful to get the toxins out of your body,, the massage person will know HOW to push them towards your kidneys to that they can be removed and you can urinate them out.. just make sure you increase your water right after being massaged,, it will help! I sure wish I could afford to have it done,, its wonderful,,,Ally <4thMoon@...> wrote: I'm glad you mentioned the massuese because I am thinking of starting with one next month, one a a week. She is giving me a cut rate on the cost

because of being on chemo. I wasn't sure if it would make much a difference or not but thought it couldn't hurt, right? Ally On 10/27/06, rachel <DreamWovenearthlink (DOT) net> wrote: Hi susan... glad you feel that the acupuncture is helping you too. I also started taking Qi Dong classes, which i feel really helped alot also. I am sure that a big part of it has to do with the fact that I feel I am taking an active part in making myself well and keeping myself well. I finished treatment last March. I was clear from the 4th week of tx forward (24 weeks). When I did my 3 month blood test after stopping tx, it came back with a

higher VL then i ever began with, and two weeks after that it was even higher. Of course no doctor ever told me that if it came back, it would come back with a vengence. I started really looking into a more eastern approach to dealing with HCV... since China has a very large part of its population infected with this nasty little virus and they have been treating it for quite awhile. This site http://www.hepcchallenge.org/choices/chinese.htm had some interesting info. My acupuncturist is treating several HCV patients (and i live in a small community). One decided not to use western methods at all, one went thru standard western tx and was using acupuncture and herbs during and after and i believe she is still 'clear', and me. There are several others, but i dont have their background. Obviously they all are finding some help with

acupuncture and herbs or they wouldnt continue the use of these things...... I had a great massuese (sp?) during my tx and it really did help me... wish i had gone to acupuncture during my tx.... because i do believe it would have helped. I am sure that the acupuncture will help you through your tx... and i wish you the best of luck..... rachel > >> > Hepatitis CI've been taking the following herbs as well as> having acupuncture done 1x a week for the last 4 months and have > noticed a VERY BIG difference in how i feel and how much energy and> endurance i have.> > > > Clear Heat: Isatis extract leaf and root, Oldenlandia herb,> Lonicera flower, Prunella herb, Andrographis herb, Laminaria

leaf, > Viola herb and root, Cordyceps fruiting body, Licorice Root> > > > Bupleurum & Gardenia Tablets: Bupleurum, Red peony, Astragalus,> Oldenalandia, Gardenia, Forsythia> > > > I am very pleased with going to acupuncture.... and one of the> things i enjoy the most is that for an hour to an hour and a half, i> can lay there, relaxing, (or meditating) and spend some real time with > myself, with no interference. > > > > Hope that info is helpful to anyone that chooses to add these> alternatives to their lifestyle or to their current tx.> > > > > >> Jackie

October 28, 2006

On 10/28/06, Jackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote:

Ally, massage is really helpful to get the toxins out of your body,, the massage person will know HOW to push them towards your kidneys to that they can be removed and you can urinate them out.. just make sure you increase your water right after being massaged,, it will help! I sure wish I could afford to have it done,, its wonderful,,,

Thanks, that is helpful to know! And maybe if you check around... I just figured it out and this person I am going to go to is giving my half cut rate which is considerably more affordable then if it was full rate.

Ally

gulping down more water...

October 29, 2006

Is it ok to use Ibuprofen with Tylenol instead of

Advil?

Valarie

--- Jackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote:

> Ally

> I agree with the tylenol thing,, if you can keep

> the aches at bay, it really does help make tx more

> manigible,, but remember,, YOU must NEVER exceed

> 2000 mg of Tylenol in any 24 hour period... I would

> say that IF you could take the tylenol before you go

> to bed, it might help you sleep better and then one

> other time during the day,,, but you need to look at

> ALL the meds you take to make sure you dont exceed

> that 2 gram or 2000 mg TOTAL dose per day of

> tylenol.. My doc said since I didnt have any

> problems with Advil, I could ALSO, in ADDITION to

> the 2000 mg of Tylenol , I could take up to 1600 mg

> of Advil too,, THEY both work differently so they

> CAN be taken together..but as long as you dont

> exceed the maximum daily amounts, you can take them

> whenever.. does that make sense? I found that

> alternating or taking 1 Tylenol and 2 advil at the

> same time made ALL my headaches and body aches go

> away as long as I drank the gallon of water..

> just my 2 cents,

> jax

>

> Ally <4thMoon@...> wrote:

> Thanks ,

>

> maybe this will help me to be more disciplined

> about drinking water! Oh, I'll be half way thru when

> I am at 36 weeks, since I'm doing 72 altogether so

> I'm closer to half way then ever, can't wait to

> reach that point!

>

> Ally

>

> On 10/28/06, rachel <DreamWoven@...>

> wrote:

> hi ally.... sorry to hear about the late side fx you

> are feeling. drink

> tons more water... it really really does help with

> the headaches and

> what i found worked for me was keeping tylenol in my

> system. whatever

> amount your dr. says you can take...if its 2 every 4

> hours or 6 hours,

> TAKE IT....every 4 or 6 hours... the buildup really

> helped me fight off

> some of the lesser flu-like symptoms.

>

> re: massage.... it helped me.... and like i said...

> a big part of it was

> the fact that i was " doing it for me " . that was my

> time.... no one

> elses... my time to think about me, to care for me,

> to pamper me, to let

> someone else heal me, without thinking about the

> dogs or kids or partner

> or work.

>

> i would not have gotten thru tx without it (well

> thats not really true,

> but you get my drift)

>

> and damn girl! you are more then halfway thru tx,

> arent you? i

> remember when you started!

>

> take care,

>

> rachel

>

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October 29, 2006

Yes,, Ibuprofen IS the same thing as Advil,, or Motrin,, all the same thing..Valarie Page <flap85274@...> wrote: Is it ok to use Ibuprofen with Tylenol instead ofAdvil?Valarie--- Jackie on <redjaxjm > wrote:> Ally> I agree with the tylenol thing,, if you can keep> the aches at bay, it really does help make tx more> manigible,, but remember,, YOU must NEVER exceed> 2000 mg of Tylenol in any 24 hour

period... I would> say that IF you could take the tylenol before you go> to bed, it might help you sleep better and then one> other time during the day,,, but you need to look at> ALL the meds you take to make sure you dont exceed> that 2 gram or 2000 mg TOTAL dose per day of> tylenol.. My doc said since I didnt have any> problems with Advil, I could ALSO, in ADDITION to> the 2000 mg of Tylenol , I could take up to 1600 mg> of Advil too,, THEY both work differently so they> CAN be taken together..but as long as you dont> exceed the maximum daily amounts, you can take them> whenever.. does that make sense? I found that> alternating or taking 1 Tylenol and 2 advil at the> same time made ALL my headaches and body aches go> away as long as I drank the gallon of water.. > just my 2 cents,> jax> > Ally <4thMoongmail> wrote:> Thanks , > > maybe this will help me to be more disciplined> about drinking water! Oh, I'll be half way thru when> I am at 36 weeks, since I'm doing 72 altogether so> I'm closer to half way then ever, can't wait to> reach that point! > > Ally> > > On 10/28/06, rachel <DreamWovenearthlink (DOT) net>> wrote: > hi ally.... sorry to hear about the late side fx you> are feeling. drink> tons more water... it really really does help with> the headaches and> what i found worked for me was keeping tylenol in my> system. whatever > amount your dr. says you can take...if its 2 every 4> hours or 6 hours,> TAKE IT....every 4 or 6 hours... the buildup really> helped me fight off> some of the

lesser flu-like symptoms.> > re: massage.... it helped me.... and like i said...> a big part of it was > the fact that i was "doing it for me". that was my> time.... no one> elses... my time to think about me, to care for me,> to pamper me, to let> someone else heal me, without thinking about the> dogs or kids or partner > or work.> > i would not have gotten thru tx without it (well> thats not really true,> but you get my drift)> > and damn girl! you are more then halfway thru tx,> arent you? i> remember when you started!> > take care,> > rachel> > > === message truncated ===__________________________________________________________Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited (http://music./unlimited)Jackie

October 29, 2006

Yes,, Ibuprofen IS the same thing as Advil,, or Motrin,, all the same thing..Valarie Page <flap85274@...> wrote: Is it ok to use Ibuprofen with Tylenol instead ofAdvil?Valarie--- Jackie on <redjaxjm > wrote:> Ally> I agree with the tylenol thing,, if you can keep> the aches at bay, it really does help make tx more> manigible,, but remember,, YOU must NEVER exceed> 2000 mg of Tylenol in any 24 hour

period... I would> say that IF you could take the tylenol before you go> to bed, it might help you sleep better and then one> other time during the day,,, but you need to look at> ALL the meds you take to make sure you dont exceed> that 2 gram or 2000 mg TOTAL dose per day of> tylenol.. My doc said since I didnt have any> problems with Advil, I could ALSO, in ADDITION to> the 2000 mg of Tylenol , I could take up to 1600 mg> of Advil too,, THEY both work differently so they> CAN be taken together..but as long as you dont> exceed the maximum daily amounts, you can take them> whenever.. does that make sense? I found that> alternating or taking 1 Tylenol and 2 advil at the> same time made ALL my headaches and body aches go> away as long as I drank the gallon of water.. > just my 2 cents,> jax> > Ally <4thMoongmail> wrote:> Thanks , > > maybe this will help me to be more disciplined> about drinking water! Oh, I'll be half way thru when> I am at 36 weeks, since I'm doing 72 altogether so> I'm closer to half way then ever, can't wait to> reach that point! > > Ally> > > On 10/28/06, rachel <DreamWovenearthlink (DOT) net>> wrote: > hi ally.... sorry to hear about the late side fx you> are feeling. drink> tons more water... it really really does help with> the headaches and> what i found worked for me was keeping tylenol in my> system. whatever > amount your dr. says you can take...if its 2 every 4> hours or 6 hours,> TAKE IT....every 4 or 6 hours... the buildup really> helped me fight off> some of the

lesser flu-like symptoms.> > re: massage.... it helped me.... and like i said...> a big part of it was > the fact that i was "doing it for me". that was my> time.... no one> elses... my time to think about me, to care for me,> to pamper me, to let> someone else heal me, without thinking about the> dogs or kids or partner > or work.> > i would not have gotten thru tx without it (well> thats not really true,> but you get my drift)> > and damn girl! you are more then halfway thru tx,> arent you? i> remember when you started!> > take care,> > rachel> > > === message truncated ===__________________________________________________________Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited (http://music./unlimited)Jackie

October 29, 2006

Oh honey,, I didnt mean to give YOU the idea that I THOUGHT you were giving up,, not in the least,, I think each of us must find what works for us and do THAT.. I certainly do not think that every one should treat with todays meds,, they are awful,, but doable... Im thrilled that you are doing well with the alternative tx,, so please do not think that I meant that doing that was 'giving up'.. thats the furthest thing from my mind... Im actually learning about alternative txs,,, so keep me posted how things are working for you!!! I really do support alternative tx.. I just didnt have any choice myself as my damage was so bad.. hugs, jaxrachel <DreamWoven@...> wrote: jackie.... i dont consider what i am doing as "giving up". I am getting positive results from the acupuncture and the chinese herbs and for "right now" that is what is fine with me. i dont have alot of damage and maybe at some point in the future I might tx again... but for now.... there is no way i would put my body through that again.....(***note: this is just me... some may be able to tx again and deal with it.... personally, at this time, i cant). > > > > >> > > > > Hepatitis CI've been taking the following herbs as well> as> > > > having acupuncture done 1x a week for the last 4 months and have> > > > noticed a VERY BIG difference in how i feel and how much energy> and> > > > endurance i have.> > > > >> > > > > Clear Heat: Isatis extract leaf and root, Oldenlandia herb,> > > > Lonicera flower, Prunella herb, Andrographis herb, Laminaria leaf,> > > > Viola herb and root, Cordyceps fruiting body, Licorice Root> > > > >> > > > > Bupleurum & Gardenia Tablets: Bupleurum, Red peony, Astragalus,> > > > Oldenalandia, Gardenia, Forsythia> > > > >> >

> > > I am very pleased with going to acupuncture.... and one of the> > > > things i enjoy the most is that for an hour to an hour and a half,> i> > > > can lay there, relaxing, (or meditating) and spend some real time> with> > > > myself, with no interference.> > > > >> > > > > Hope that info is helpful to anyone that chooses to add these> > > > alternatives to their lifestyle or to their current tx.> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > Jackie> Jackie

October 30, 2006

you got THAT right,, things are changing EVERY day!rachel <DreamWoven@...> wrote: Thanx for your words Jackie.... i believe keeping an open mind on allthis stuff is sooooooooooooooooooo important. Things are changing soquickly that something good today could be crap tomorrow and vice/versa.rachel> > > > > >> > > > > > Hepatitis CI've been taking the following herbs aswell> >

as> > > > > having acupuncture done 1x a week for the last 4 months andhave> > > > > noticed a VERY BIG difference in how i feel and how muchenergy> > and> > > > > endurance i have.> > > > > >> > > > > > Clear Heat: Isatis extract leaf and root, Oldenlandia herb,> > > > > Lonicera flower, Prunella herb, Andrographis herb, Laminarialeaf,> > > > > Viola herb and root, Cordyceps fruiting body, Licorice Root> > > > > >> > > > > > Bupleurum & Gardenia Tablets: Bupleurum, Red peony,Astragalus,> > > > > Oldenalandia, Gardenia, Forsythia> > > > > >> > > > > > I am very pleased with going to acupuncture.... and one ofthe> > > > > things i enjoy the most is that for an hour to an hour

and ahalf,> > i> > > > > can lay there, relaxing, (or meditating) and spend some realtime> > with> > > > > myself, with no interference.> > > > > >> > > > > > Hope that info is helpful to anyone that chooses to addthese> > > > > alternatives to their lifestyle or to their current tx.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Jackie> >>>>>>>> Jackie>Jackie

October 31, 2006

I thought Tylenol was not good for the liver?

--- Jackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote:

> Yes,, Ibuprofen IS the same thing as Advil,, or

> Motrin,, all the same thing..

>

> Valarie Page <flap85274@...> wrote:

> Is it ok to use Ibuprofen with Tylenol instead of

> Advil?

>

> Valarie

>

> --- Jackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote:

>

> > Ally

> > I agree with the tylenol thing,, if you can keep

> > the aches at bay, it really does help make tx more

> > manigible,, but remember,, YOU must NEVER exceed

> > 2000 mg of Tylenol in any 24 hour period... I

> would

> > say that IF you could take the tylenol before you

> go

> > to bed, it might help you sleep better and then

> one

> > other time during the day,,, but you need to look

> at

> > ALL the meds you take to make sure you dont exceed

> > that 2 gram or 2000 mg TOTAL dose per day of

> > tylenol.. My doc said since I didnt have any

> > problems with Advil, I could ALSO, in ADDITION to

> > the 2000 mg of Tylenol , I could take up to 1600

> mg

> > of Advil too,, THEY both work differently so they

> > CAN be taken together..but as long as you dont

> > exceed the maximum daily amounts, you can take

> them

> > whenever.. does that make sense? I found that

> > alternating or taking 1 Tylenol and 2 advil at the

> > same time made ALL my headaches and body aches go

> > away as long as I drank the gallon of water..

> > just my 2 cents,

> > jax

> >

> > Ally <4thMoon@...> wrote:

> > Thanks ,

> >

> > maybe this will help me to be more disciplined

> > about drinking water! Oh, I'll be half way thru

> when

> > I am at 36 weeks, since I'm doing 72 altogether so

> > I'm closer to half way then ever, can't wait to

> > reach that point!

> >

> > Ally

> >

> > On 10/28/06, rachel <DreamWoven@...>

> > wrote:

> > hi ally.... sorry to hear about the late side fx

> you

> > are feeling. drink

> > tons more water... it really really does help with

> > the headaches and

> > what i found worked for me was keeping tylenol in

> my

> > system. whatever

> > amount your dr. says you can take...if its 2 every

> 4

> > hours or 6 hours,

> > TAKE IT....every 4 or 6 hours... the buildup

> really

> > helped me fight off

> > some of the lesser flu-like symptoms.

> >

> > re: massage.... it helped me.... and like i

> said...

> > a big part of it was

> > the fact that i was " doing it for me " . that was my

> > time.... no one

> > elses... my time to think about me, to care for

> me,

> > to pamper me, to let

> > someone else heal me, without thinking about the

> > dogs or kids or partner

> > or work.

> >

> > i would not have gotten thru tx without it (well

> > thats not really true,

> > but you get my drift)

> >

> > and damn girl! you are more then halfway thru tx,

> > arent you? i

> > remember when you started!

> >

> > take care,

> >

> > rachel

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi ,

> > > > >

> > > > > I had my first acupuncture a few days ago,

> and

> > already I feel an

> > > > > improvement in my energy level. Also, I had

>

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Tylenol is still the safest for us even with our liver disease as long as we DONT exceed 2 grams or 2000 mg per day total in ALL the meds you take... ppl with NO liver disease can safely take up to 4 grams,, but those of us with hepc can only go up to 2 grams.. Tyelnol is ONLY bad for the liver IF you exceed the max dose or you take more than the max for months on end... Where did you hear that Tylenol is bad for the liver????????????Valarie Page <flap85274@...> wrote: I thought Tylenol was not

good for the liver? --- Jackie on <redjaxjm > wrote:> Yes,, Ibuprofen IS the same thing as Advil,, or> Motrin,, all the same thing..> > Valarie Page <flap85274 > wrote: > Is it ok to use Ibuprofen with Tylenol instead of> Advil?> > Valarie> > --- Jackie on <redjaxjm > wrote:> > > Ally> > I agree with the tylenol thing,, if you can keep> > the aches at bay, it really does help make tx more> > manigible,, but remember,, YOU must NEVER exceed> > 2000 mg of Tylenol in any 24 hour period... I> would> > say that IF you could take the tylenol before you> go> > to bed, it might help you sleep better and then>

one> > other time during the day,,, but you need to look> at> > ALL the meds you take to make sure you dont exceed> > that 2 gram or 2000 mg TOTAL dose per day of> > tylenol.. My doc said since I didnt have any> > problems with Advil, I could ALSO, in ADDITION to> > the 2000 mg of Tylenol , I could take up to 1600> mg> > of Advil too,, THEY both work differently so they> > CAN be taken together..but as long as you dont> > exceed the maximum daily amounts, you can take> them> > whenever.. does that make sense? I found that> > alternating or taking 1 Tylenol and 2 advil at the> > same time made ALL my headaches and body aches go> > away as long as I drank the gallon of water.. > > just my 2 cents,> > jax> > > > Ally <4thMoongmail>

wrote:> > Thanks , > > > > maybe this will help me to be more disciplined> > about drinking water! Oh, I'll be half way thru> when> > I am at 36 weeks, since I'm doing 72 altogether so> > I'm closer to half way then ever, can't wait to> > reach that point! > > > > Ally> > > > > > On 10/28/06, rachel <DreamWovenearthlink (DOT) net>> > wrote: > > hi ally.... sorry to hear about the late side fx> you> > are feeling. drink> > tons more water... it really really does help with> > the headaches and> > what i found worked for me was keeping tylenol in> my> > system. whatever > > amount your dr. says you can take...if its 2 every> 4> > hours or 6 hours,> > TAKE IT....every 4 or

6 hours... the buildup> really> > helped me fight off> > some of the lesser flu-like symptoms.> > > > re: massage.... it helped me.... and like i> said...> > a big part of it was > > the fact that i was "doing it for me". that was my> > time.... no one> > elses... my time to think about me, to care for> me,> > to pamper me, to let> > someone else heal me, without thinking about the> > dogs or kids or partner > > or work.> > > > i would not have gotten thru tx without it (well> > thats not really true,> > but you get my drift)> > > > and damn girl! you are more then halfway thru tx,> > arent you? i> > remember when you started!> > > > take care,> > > > rachel> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Hi ,> > > > >> > > > > I had my first acupuncture a few days ago,> and> > already I feel an> > > > > improvement in my energy level. Also, I had> === message truncated ===__________________________________________________________Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates (http://voice.)Jackie

November 1, 2006

Tylenol is acetaminophen.

Nikki

Re: Re: Acupuncture/Chinese Herbs

I thought Tylenol was not good for the liver?

--- Jackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote:

> Yes,, Ibuprofen IS the same thing as Advil,, or

> Motrin,, all the same thing..

>

> Valarie Page <flap85274@...> wrote:

> Is it ok to use Ibuprofen with Tylenol instead of

> Advil?

>

> Valarie

>

> --- Jackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote:

>

> > Ally

> > I agree with the tylenol thing,, if you can keep

> > the aches at bay, it really does help make tx more

> > manigible,, but remember,, YOU must NEVER exceed

> > 2000 mg of Tylenol in any 24 hour period... I

> would

> > say that IF you could take the tylenol before you

> go

> > to bed, it might help you sleep better and then

> one

> > other time during the day,,, but you need to look

> at

> > ALL the meds you take to make sure you dont exceed

> > that 2 gram or 2000 mg TOTAL dose per day of

> > tylenol.. My doc said since I didnt have any

> > problems with Advil, I could ALSO, in ADDITION to

> > the 2000 mg of Tylenol , I could take up to 1600

> mg

> > of Advil too,, THEY both work differently so they

> > CAN be taken together..but as long as you dont

> > exceed the maximum daily amounts, you can take

> them

> > whenever.. does that make sense? I found that

> > alternating or taking 1 Tylenol and 2 advil at the

> > same time made ALL my headaches and body aches go

> > away as long as I drank the gallon of water..

> > just my 2 cents,

> > jax

> >

> > Ally <4thMoon@...> wrote:

> > Thanks ,

> >

> > maybe this will help me to be more disciplined

> > about drinking water! Oh, I'll be half way thru

> when

> > I am at 36 weeks, since I'm doing 72 altogether so

> > I'm closer to half way then ever, can't wait to

> > reach that point!

> >

> > Ally

> >

> > On 10/28/06, rachel <DreamWoven@...>

> > wrote:

> > hi ally.... sorry to hear about the late side fx

> you

> > are feeling. drink

> > tons more water... it really really does help with

> > the headaches and

> > what i found worked for me was keeping tylenol in

> my

> > system. whatever

> > amount your dr. says you can take...if its 2 every

> 4

> > hours or 6 hours,

> > TAKE IT....every 4 or 6 hours... the buildup

> really

> > helped me fight off

> > some of the lesser flu-like symptoms.

> >

> > re: massage.... it helped me.... and like i

> said...

> > a big part of it was

> > the fact that i was " doing it for me " . that was my

> > time.... no one

> > elses... my time to think about me, to care for

> me,

> > to pamper me, to let

> > someone else heal me, without thinking about the

> > dogs or kids or partner

> > or work.

> >

> > i would not have gotten thru tx without it (well

> > thats not really true,

> > but you get my drift)

> >

> > and damn girl! you are more then halfway thru tx,

> > arent you? i

> > remember when you started!

> >

> > take care,

> >

> > rachel

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi ,

> > > > >

> > > > > I had my first acupuncture a few days ago,

> and

> > already I feel an

> > > > > improvement in my energy level. Also, I had

>

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yes, that is correct,, but what I was explaining is that advil, motrin ARE IBUPROFEN,Nikki Cowan <nikkicowan@...> wrote: Tylenol is acetaminophen.Nikki-----Original Message-----From: Hepatitis C [mailto:Hepatitis C ] On Behalf Of Valarie PageSent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 8:03 PMHepatitis C Subject: Re: Re: Acupuncture/Chinese HerbsI thought Tylenol was not good for the liver? --- Jackie on <redjaxjm > wrote:> Yes,, Ibuprofen IS the same thing as Advil,, or> Motrin,, all the same thing..> > Valarie Page <flap85274 > wrote: > Is it ok to use Ibuprofen with Tylenol instead of> Advil?> > Valarie> > --- Jackie on <redjaxjm > wrote:> > > Ally> > I agree with the tylenol thing,, if you can keep> > the aches at bay, it really does help make tx more> > manigible,, but remember,, YOU must NEVER

exceed> > 2000 mg of Tylenol in any 24 hour period... I> would> > say that IF you could take the tylenol before you> go> > to bed, it might help you sleep better and then> one> > other time during the day,,, but you need to look> at> > ALL the meds you take to make sure you dont exceed> > that 2 gram or 2000 mg TOTAL dose per day of> > tylenol.. My doc said since I didnt have any> > problems with Advil, I could ALSO, in ADDITION to> > the 2000 mg of Tylenol , I could take up to 1600> mg> > of Advil too,, THEY both work differently so they> > CAN be taken together..but as long as you dont> > exceed the maximum daily amounts, you can take> them> > whenever.. does that make sense? I found that> > alternating or taking 1 Tylenol and 2 advil at the> > same time made ALL my headaches and

body aches go> > away as long as I drank the gallon of water.. > > just my 2 cents,> > jax> > > > Ally <4thMoongmail> wrote:> > Thanks , > > > > maybe this will help me to be more disciplined> > about drinking water! Oh, I'll be half way thru> when> > I am at 36 weeks, since I'm doing 72 altogether so> > I'm closer to half way then ever, can't wait to> > reach that point! > > > > Ally> > > > > > On 10/28/06, rachel <DreamWovenearthlink (DOT) net>> > wrote: > > hi ally.... sorry to hear about the late side fx> you> > are feeling. drink> > tons more water... it really really does help with> > the headaches and> > what i

found worked for me was keeping tylenol in> my> > system. whatever > > amount your dr. says you can take...if its 2 every> 4> > hours or 6 hours,> > TAKE IT....every 4 or 6 hours... the buildup> really> > helped me fight off> > some of the lesser flu-like symptoms.> > > > re: massage.... it helped me.... and like i> said...> > a big part of it was > > the fact that i was "doing it for me". that was my> > time.... no one> > elses... my time to think about me, to care for> me,> > to pamper me, to let> > someone else heal me, without thinking about the> > dogs or kids or partner > > or work.> > > > i would not have gotten thru tx without it (well> > thats not really true,> > but you get my drift)> > > > and damn girl! you are

more then halfway thru tx,> > arent you? i> > remember when you started!> > > > take care,> > > > rachel> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Hi ,> > > > >> > > > > I had my first acupuncture a few days ago,> and> > already I feel an> > > > > improvement in my energy level. Also, I had> === message truncated ===__________________________________________________________________Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates (http://voice.)It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We hope you have foundthe support you need with us.

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yes, that is correct,, but what I was explaining is that advil, motrin ARE IBUPROFEN,Nikki Cowan <nikkicowan@...> wrote: Tylenol is acetaminophen.Nikki-----Original Message-----From: Hepatitis C [mailto:Hepatitis C ] On Behalf Of Valarie PageSent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 8:03 PMHepatitis C Subject: Re: Re: Acupuncture/Chinese HerbsI thought Tylenol was not good for the liver? --- Jackie on <redjaxjm > wrote:> Yes,, Ibuprofen IS the same thing as Advil,, or> Motrin,, all the same thing..> > Valarie Page <flap85274 > wrote: > Is it ok to use Ibuprofen with Tylenol instead of> Advil?> > Valarie> > --- Jackie on <redjaxjm > wrote:> > > Ally> > I agree with the tylenol thing,, if you can keep> > the aches at bay, it really does help make tx more> > manigible,, but remember,, YOU must NEVER

exceed> > 2000 mg of Tylenol in any 24 hour period... I> would> > say that IF you could take the tylenol before you> go> > to bed, it might help you sleep better and then> one> > other time during the day,,, but you need to look> at> > ALL the meds you take to make sure you dont exceed> > that 2 gram or 2000 mg TOTAL dose per day of> > tylenol.. My doc said since I didnt have any> > problems with Advil, I could ALSO, in ADDITION to> > the 2000 mg of Tylenol , I could take up to 1600> mg> > of Advil too,, THEY both work differently so they> > CAN be taken together..but as long as you dont> > exceed the maximum daily amounts, you can take> them> > whenever.. does that make sense? I found that> > alternating or taking 1 Tylenol and 2 advil at the> > same time made ALL my headaches and

body aches go> > away as long as I drank the gallon of water.. > > just my 2 cents,> > jax> > > > Ally <4thMoongmail> wrote:> > Thanks , > > > > maybe this will help me to be more disciplined> > about drinking water! Oh, I'll be half way thru> when> > I am at 36 weeks, since I'm doing 72 altogether so> > I'm closer to half way then ever, can't wait to> > reach that point! > > > > Ally> > > > > > On 10/28/06, rachel <DreamWovenearthlink (DOT) net>> > wrote: > > hi ally.... sorry to hear about the late side fx> you> > are feeling. drink> > tons more water... it really really does help with> > the headaches and> > what i

found worked for me was keeping tylenol in> my> > system. whatever > > amount your dr. says you can take...if its 2 every> 4> > hours or 6 hours,> > TAKE IT....every 4 or 6 hours... the buildup> really> > helped me fight off> > some of the lesser flu-like symptoms.> > > > re: massage.... it helped me.... and like i> said...> > a big part of it was > > the fact that i was "doing it for me". that was my> > time.... no one> > elses... my time to think about me, to care for> me,> > to pamper me, to let> > someone else heal me, without thinking about the> > dogs or kids or partner > > or work.> > > > i would not have gotten thru tx without it (well> > thats not really true,> > but you get my drift)> > > > and damn girl! you are

more then halfway thru tx,> > arent you? i> > remember when you started!> > > > take care,> > > > rachel> > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Hi ,> > > > >> > > > > I had my first acupuncture a few days ago,> and> > already I feel an> > > > > improvement in my energy level. Also, I had> === message truncated ===__________________________________________________________________Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates (http://voice.)It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We hope you have foundthe support you need with us.

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Some one I know who has hep c and doing treatment was

told not to take tylenol because it wasn't good for

his liver. I've been taking ibuprofen for my headaches

and body aches and most of the time it helps but not

always. So I was considering adding the tylenol.

Valarie

--- Jackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote:

> Tylenol is still the safest for us even with our

> liver disease as long as we DONT exceed 2 grams or

> 2000 mg per day total in ALL the meds you take...

> ppl with NO liver disease can safely take up to 4

> grams,, but those of us with hepc can only go up to

> 2 grams.. Tyelnol is ONLY bad for the liver IF you

> exceed the max dose or you take more than the max

> for months on end...

> Where did you hear that Tylenol is bad for the

> liver????????????

>

> Valarie Page <flap85274@...> wrote:

> I thought Tylenol was not good for the

> liver?

>

> --- Jackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote:

>

> > Yes,, Ibuprofen IS the same thing as Advil,, or

> > Motrin,, all the same thing..

> >

> > Valarie Page <flap85274@...> wrote:

> > Is it ok to use Ibuprofen with Tylenol instead of

> > Advil?

> >

> > Valarie

> >

> > --- Jackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote:

> >

> > > Ally

> > > I agree with the tylenol thing,, if you can keep

> > > the aches at bay, it really does help make tx

> more

> > > manigible,, but remember,, YOU must NEVER exceed

> > > 2000 mg of Tylenol in any 24 hour period... I

> > would

> > > say that IF you could take the tylenol before

> you

> > go

> > > to bed, it might help you sleep better and then

> > one

> > > other time during the day,,, but you need to

> look

> > at

> > > ALL the meds you take to make sure you dont

> exceed

> > > that 2 gram or 2000 mg TOTAL dose per day of

> > > tylenol.. My doc said since I didnt have any

> > > problems with Advil, I could ALSO, in ADDITION

> to

> > > the 2000 mg of Tylenol , I could take up to 1600

> > mg

> > > of Advil too,, THEY both work differently so

> they

> > > CAN be taken together..but as long as you dont

> > > exceed the maximum daily amounts, you can take

> > them

> > > whenever.. does that make sense? I found that

> > > alternating or taking 1 Tylenol and 2 advil at

> the

> > > same time made ALL my headaches and body aches

> go

> > > away as long as I drank the gallon of water..

> > > just my 2 cents,

> > > jax

> > >

> > > Ally <4thMoon@...> wrote:

> > > Thanks ,

> > >

> > > maybe this will help me to be more disciplined

> > > about drinking water! Oh, I'll be half way thru

> > when

> > > I am at 36 weeks, since I'm doing 72 altogether

> so

> > > I'm closer to half way then ever, can't wait to

> > > reach that point!

> > >

> > > Ally

> > >

> > > On 10/28/06, rachel <DreamWoven@...>

> > > wrote:

> > > hi ally.... sorry to hear about the late side fx

> > you

> > > are feeling. drink

> > > tons more water... it really really does help

> with

> > > the headaches and

> > > what i found worked for me was keeping tylenol

> in

> > my

> > > system. whatever

> > > amount your dr. says you can take...if its 2

> every

> > 4

> > > hours or 6 hours,

> > > TAKE IT....every 4 or 6 hours... the buildup

> > really

> > > helped me fight off

> > > some of the lesser flu-like symptoms.

> > >

> > > re: massage.... it helped me.... and like i

> > said...

> > > a big part of it was

> > > the fact that i was " doing it for me " . that was

> my

> > > time.... no one

> > > elses... my time to think about me, to care for

> > me,

> > > to pamper me, to let

> > > someone else heal me, without thinking about the

> > > dogs or kids or partner

> > > or work.

> > >

> > > i would not have gotten thru tx without it (well

> > > thats not really true,

> > > but you get my drift)

> > >

> > > and damn girl! you are more then halfway thru

> tx,

> > > arent you? i

> > > remember when you started!

> > >

> > > take care,

> > >

> > > rachel

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi susan... glad you feel that the

> acupuncture

> > > is helping you too. I

> > > > > also started taking Qi Dong classes, which i

> > > feel really helped alot

> > > also.

> > > > > I am sure that a big part of it has to do

> with

> > > the fact that I feel

> > > I am

> > > > > taking an active part in making myself well

> > and

> > > keeping myself well.

> > > > >

> > > > > I finished treatment last March. I was clear

> > > from the 4th week of tx

> > > > > forward (24 weeks). When I did my 3 month

> > blood

> > > test after stopping

> > > tx, it

> > > > > came back with a higher VL then i ever began

> > > with, and two weeks

> > > after that

> > > > > it was even higher. Of course no doctor ever

> > > told me that if it came

> > > back,

> > > > > it would come back with a vengence.

> > > > >

> > > > > I started really looking into a more eastern

> > > approach to dealing

> > > with

> > > > > HCV... since China has a very large part of

> > its

> > > population infected

> > > with

> > > > > this nasty little virus and they have been

> > > treating it for quite

> > > awhile.

> > > > > This site

> > > http://www.hepcchallenge.org/choices/chinese.htm

> > had

> > > some

> > > > > interesting info.

> > > > >

> > > > > My acupuncturist is treating several HCV

> > > patients (and i live in a

> > > small

> > > > > community). One decided not to use western

> > > methods at all, one went

> > > thru

> > > > > standard western tx and was using

> acupuncture

> > > and herbs during and

> > > after and

> > > > > i believe she is still 'clear', and me.

> There

>

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Some one I know who has hep c and doing treatment was

told not to take tylenol because it wasn't good for

his liver. I've been taking ibuprofen for my headaches

and body aches and most of the time it helps but not

always. So I was considering adding the tylenol.

Valarie

--- Jackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote:

> Tylenol is still the safest for us even with our

> liver disease as long as we DONT exceed 2 grams or

> 2000 mg per day total in ALL the meds you take...

> ppl with NO liver disease can safely take up to 4

> grams,, but those of us with hepc can only go up to

> 2 grams.. Tyelnol is ONLY bad for the liver IF you

> exceed the max dose or you take more than the max

> for months on end...

> Where did you hear that Tylenol is bad for the

> liver????????????

>

> Valarie Page <flap85274@...> wrote:

> I thought Tylenol was not good for the

> liver?

>

> --- Jackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote:

>

> > Yes,, Ibuprofen IS the same thing as Advil,, or

> > Motrin,, all the same thing..

> >

> > Valarie Page <flap85274@...> wrote:

> > Is it ok to use Ibuprofen with Tylenol instead of

> > Advil?

> >

> > Valarie

> >

> > --- Jackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote:

> >

> > > Ally

> > > I agree with the tylenol thing,, if you can keep

> > > the aches at bay, it really does help make tx

> more

> > > manigible,, but remember,, YOU must NEVER exceed

> > > 2000 mg of Tylenol in any 24 hour period... I

> > would

> > > say that IF you could take the tylenol before

> you

> > go

> > > to bed, it might help you sleep better and then

> > one

> > > other time during the day,,, but you need to

> look

> > at

> > > ALL the meds you take to make sure you dont

> exceed

> > > that 2 gram or 2000 mg TOTAL dose per day of

> > > tylenol.. My doc said since I didnt have any

> > > problems with Advil, I could ALSO, in ADDITION

> to

> > > the 2000 mg of Tylenol , I could take up to 1600

> > mg

> > > of Advil too,, THEY both work differently so

> they

> > > CAN be taken together..but as long as you dont

> > > exceed the maximum daily amounts, you can take

> > them

> > > whenever.. does that make sense? I found that

> > > alternating or taking 1 Tylenol and 2 advil at

> the

> > > same time made ALL my headaches and body aches

> go

> > > away as long as I drank the gallon of water..

> > > just my 2 cents,

> > > jax

> > >

> > > Ally <4thMoon@...> wrote:

> > > Thanks ,

> > >

> > > maybe this will help me to be more disciplined

> > > about drinking water! Oh, I'll be half way thru

> > when

> > > I am at 36 weeks, since I'm doing 72 altogether

> so

> > > I'm closer to half way then ever, can't wait to

> > > reach that point!

> > >

> > > Ally

> > >

> > > On 10/28/06, rachel <DreamWoven@...>

> > > wrote:

> > > hi ally.... sorry to hear about the late side fx

> > you

> > > are feeling. drink

> > > tons more water... it really really does help

> with

> > > the headaches and

> > > what i found worked for me was keeping tylenol

> in

> > my

> > > system. whatever

> > > amount your dr. says you can take...if its 2

> every

> > 4

> > > hours or 6 hours,

> > > TAKE IT....every 4 or 6 hours... the buildup

> > really

> > > helped me fight off

> > > some of the lesser flu-like symptoms.

> > >

> > > re: massage.... it helped me.... and like i

> > said...

> > > a big part of it was

> > > the fact that i was " doing it for me " . that was

> my

> > > time.... no one

> > > elses... my time to think about me, to care for

> > me,

> > > to pamper me, to let

> > > someone else heal me, without thinking about the

> > > dogs or kids or partner

> > > or work.

> > >

> > > i would not have gotten thru tx without it (well

> > > thats not really true,

> > > but you get my drift)

> > >

> > > and damn girl! you are more then halfway thru

> tx,

> > > arent you? i

> > > remember when you started!

> > >

> > > take care,

> > >

> > > rachel

> > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi susan... glad you feel that the

> acupuncture

> > > is helping you too. I

> > > > > also started taking Qi Dong classes, which i

> > > feel really helped alot

> > > also.

> > > > > I am sure that a big part of it has to do

> with

> > > the fact that I feel

> > > I am

> > > > > taking an active part in making myself well

> > and

> > > keeping myself well.

> > > > >

> > > > > I finished treatment last March. I was clear

> > > from the 4th week of tx

> > > > > forward (24 weeks). When I did my 3 month

> > blood

> > > test after stopping

> > > tx, it

> > > > > came back with a higher VL then i ever began

> > > with, and two weeks

> > > after that

> > > > > it was even higher. Of course no doctor ever

> > > told me that if it came

> > > back,

> > > > > it would come back with a vengence.

> > > > >

> > > > > I started really looking into a more eastern

> > > approach to dealing

> > > with

> > > > > HCV... since China has a very large part of

> > its

> > > population infected

> > > with

> > > > > this nasty little virus and they have been

> > > treating it for quite

> > > awhile.

> > > > > This site

> > > http://www.hepcchallenge.org/choices/chinese.htm

> > had

> > > some

> > > > > interesting info.

> > > > >

> > > > > My acupuncturist is treating several HCV

> > > patients (and i live in a

> > > small

> > > > > community). One decided not to use western

> > > methods at all, one went

> > > thru

> > > > > standard western tx and was using

> acupuncture

> > > and herbs during and

> > > after and

> > > > > i believe she is still 'clear', and me.

> There

>

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Hi Valarie, Im sorry to tell you but that person is WRONG,, Tylenol is STILL THE SAFEST for us to use unless we exceed that 2 gram dose per day.. for me tylenol does not work very well and advil or ibuprofen does,, guess we are all so different! But tylenol is safe honey,,it is,, unless you have some condition or allergy to itValarie Page <flap85274@...> wrote: Some one I know who has hep c and doing treatment wastold not to take tylenol because it wasn't good forhis liver. I've been

taking ibuprofen for my headachesand body aches and most of the time it helps but notalways. So I was considering adding the tylenol.Valarie--- Jackie on <redjaxjm > wrote:> Tylenol is still the safest for us even with our> liver disease as long as we DONT exceed 2 grams or> 2000 mg per day total in ALL the meds you take...> ppl with NO liver disease can safely take up to 4> grams,, but those of us with hepc can only go up to> 2 grams.. Tyelnol is ONLY bad for the liver IF you> exceed the max dose or you take more than the max> for months on end... > Where did you hear that Tylenol is bad for the> liver????????????> > Valarie Page <flap85274 > wrote:> I thought Tylenol was not good for the> liver? > >

--- Jackie on <redjaxjm > wrote:> > > Yes,, Ibuprofen IS the same thing as Advil,, or> > Motrin,, all the same thing..> > > > Valarie Page <flap85274 > wrote: > > Is it ok to use Ibuprofen with Tylenol instead of> > Advil?> > > > Valarie> > > > --- Jackie on <redjaxjm > wrote:> > > > > Ally> > > I agree with the tylenol thing,, if you can keep> > > the aches at bay, it really does help make tx> more> > > manigible,, but remember,, YOU must NEVER exceed> > > 2000 mg of Tylenol in any 24 hour period... I> > would> > > say that IF you could take the tylenol before>

you> > go> > > to bed, it might help you sleep better and then> > one> > > other time during the day,,, but you need to> look> > at> > > ALL the meds you take to make sure you dont> exceed> > > that 2 gram or 2000 mg TOTAL dose per day of> > > tylenol.. My doc said since I didnt have any> > > problems with Advil, I could ALSO, in ADDITION> to> > > the 2000 mg of Tylenol , I could take up to 1600> > mg> > > of Advil too,, THEY both work differently so> they> > > CAN be taken together..but as long as you dont> > > exceed the maximum daily amounts, you can take> > them> > > whenever.. does that make sense? I found that> > > alternating or taking 1 Tylenol and 2 advil at> the> > > same time made ALL my headaches and body

aches> go> > > away as long as I drank the gallon of water.. > > > just my 2 cents,> > > jax> > > > > > Ally <4thMoongmail> wrote:> > > Thanks , > > > > > > maybe this will help me to be more disciplined> > > about drinking water! Oh, I'll be half way thru> > when> > > I am at 36 weeks, since I'm doing 72 altogether> so> > > I'm closer to half way then ever, can't wait to> > > reach that point! > > > > > > Ally> > > > > > > > > On 10/28/06, rachel <DreamWovenearthlink (DOT) net>> > > wrote: > > > hi ally.... sorry to hear about the late side fx> > you> > > are feeling.

drink> > > tons more water... it really really does help> with> > > the headaches and> > > what i found worked for me was keeping tylenol> in> > my> > > system. whatever > > > amount your dr. says you can take...if its 2> every> > 4> > > hours or 6 hours,> > > TAKE IT....every 4 or 6 hours... the buildup> > really> > > helped me fight off> > > some of the lesser flu-like symptoms.> > > > > > re: massage.... it helped me.... and like i> > said...> > > a big part of it was > > > the fact that i was "doing it for me". that was> my> > > time.... no one> > > elses... my time to think about me, to care for> > me,> > > to pamper me, to let> > > someone else heal me, without thinking

about the> > > dogs or kids or partner > > > or work.> > > > > > i would not have gotten thru tx without it (well> > > thats not really true,> > > but you get my drift)> > > > > > and damn girl! you are more then halfway thru> tx,> > > arent you? i> > > remember when you started!> > > > > > take care,> > > > > > rachel> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Hi susan... glad you feel that the> acupuncture> > > is helping you too. I> > > > > also started taking Qi Dong classes, which i> > > feel really helped alot > > > also.> > > > > I am sure that a big part of it has to do> with> > > the fact that I feel> > > I am> > > > > taking an active part in making myself well> > and> > > keeping myself well.> > > > >> >

> > > I finished treatment last March. I was clear> > > from the 4th week of tx > > > > > forward (24 weeks). When I did my 3 month> > blood> > > test after stopping> > > tx, it> > > > > came back with a higher VL then i ever began> > > with, and two weeks> > > after that> > > > > it was even higher. Of course no doctor ever> > > told me that if it came > > > back,> > > > > it would come back with a vengence.> > > > >> > > > > I started really looking into a more eastern> > > approach to dealing> > > with> > > > > HCV... since China has a very large part of> > its> > > population infected > > > with> > > > > this nasty little virus and they have

been> > > treating it for quite> > > awhile.> > > > > This site> > > http://www.hepcchallenge.org/choices/chinese.htm> > had> > > some> > > > > interesting info.> > > > >> > > > > My acupuncturist is treating several HCV> > > patients (and i live in a> > > small> > > > > community). One decided not to use western> > > methods at all, one went > > > thru> > > > > standard western tx and was using> acupuncture> > > and herbs during and> > > after and> > > > > i believe she is still 'clear', and me.> There> === message truncated

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