Re: Menopause Symptoms after TX

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, please be careful with Black Cohosh, it can be very liver toxic!!! IF you are going to look at Hormones, make sure you do the BioIdentical hormones, you can read about them in Suzanne Sommers book.. I used a plant estrogen called Menest and then also used PURE Progesterone orally.. I only used them for a year and now its been since June 2000 that I had my last period ( sorry guys, I know, not something you need ot hear about but its something we women DO have to deal with along with the hep).. There IS a time when the body stops making hormones and its a natural part of aging,, I BELIEVE,, Im thinking about readint Suzanne Sommers book myself as I seem to be having more problems with other aging symptoms and IM wondering if it might help... but I'd still be very careful with Black Cohosh...rachel <DreamWoven@...> wrote: I had kept all menopausal symptoms pretty much at bay prior to tx withthe use of some natural products (EstroySoy plus Black Cohash).... and Icontinued to take it during tx. When I came off of tx I got hit like aton of bricks. Thought I was losing my mind... the depression, lack ofsleep, night sweats, cold chills, pure craziness, etc., is what Iexpected during tx, not after.....It has somewhat been alleviated with Progesterone Cream (and theacupuncture and chinese herbs) but I am still not right.Anyone have any info or stories they'd like to share about this?

Orwhere I might look for info regarding how to get my hormones back inbalance.....?Jackie

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, please be careful with Black Cohosh, it can be very liver toxic!!! IF you are going to look at Hormones, make sure you do the BioIdentical hormones, you can read about them in Suzanne Sommers book.. I used a plant estrogen called Menest and then also used PURE Progesterone orally.. I only used them for a year and now its been since June 2000 that I had my last period ( sorry guys, I know, not something you need ot hear about but its something we women DO have to deal with along with the hep).. There IS a time when the body stops making hormones and its a natural part of aging,, I BELIEVE,, Im thinking about readint Suzanne Sommers book myself as I seem to be having more problems with other aging symptoms and IM wondering if it might help... but I'd still be very careful with Black Cohosh...rachel <DreamWoven@...> wrote: I had kept all menopausal symptoms pretty much at bay prior to tx withthe use of some natural products (EstroySoy plus Black Cohash).... and Icontinued to take it during tx. When I came off of tx I got hit like aton of bricks. Thought I was losing my mind... the depression, lack ofsleep, night sweats, cold chills, pure craziness, etc., is what Iexpected during tx, not after.....It has somewhat been alleviated with Progesterone Cream (and theacupuncture and chinese herbs) but I am still not right.Anyone have any info or stories they'd like to share about this?

Orwhere I might look for info regarding how to get my hormones back inbalance.....?Jackie

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Jackie... i wasnt really going to look at " hormones " per se. Looking

for a more natural path.... and info.... Do you have the name of the S.

Sommers book?

thanx for the info.

rachel

>

> I had kept all menopausal symptoms pretty much at bay prior to tx with

> the use of some natural products (EstroySoy plus Black Cohash).... and

I

> continued to take it during tx. When I came off of tx I got hit like a

> ton of bricks. Thought I was losing my mind... the depression, lack of

> sleep, night sweats, cold chills, pure craziness, etc., is what I

> expected during tx, not after.....

>

> It has somewhat been alleviated with Progesterone Cream (and the

> acupuncture and chinese herbs) but I am still not right.

>

> Anyone have any info or stories they'd like to share about this? Or

> where I might look for info regarding how to get my hormones back in

> balance.....?

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Jackie

>

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nikki... the mare thing sounds absolutely horrible...........i am sure

people do not know that is how it is.... such awful conditions (and you

can add cows, chickens, turkeys etc... to the group)

thanx for the names of those books.... will have to do some reading up

now.

rachel

>

> I know how you feel, , and I haven't done TX. I am a breast

cancer

> survivor and my cancer was hormone driven so I can't take hormones of

any

> kind, plant based or anything. Also, I wouldn't take HRT even if I

could

> as I am aware of the torture that the mares go through to produce what

> doctors so gaily pass out. It is a horrible thing and lots of folks

are

> just not aware that the pregnant mares are kept standing in cramped

stalls

> with catheters in their bladders, denied water to make their urine

more

> concentrated. Their babies are taken away immediately and they are

> immediately impregnated again to keep up the cycle until they die. No

> pastures, no sunlight, no affection, no exercise, just pain and

boredom. I

> have horses of my own and could not imagine them being kept in that

> condition.

>

>

>

> For myself, I am 50 and still cycling. I have just gritted through

being

> perimenopausal. My G-Grandmother cycled until she was 56 so I might

still

> have some of it to go through. However, my body seems to be adjusting.

> Again, it could be the urine therapy as I am recycling hormones.

Martha

> Christy, in her book, discusses the hormone balancing effects.

>

>

>

> An excellent book to read, as well, is Dr. Christiane Northrup's "

Women's

> Bodies, Women's Wisdom. "

>

>

>

> Nikki

>

>

>

>

>

> , please be careful with Black Cohosh, it can be very liver

toxic!!!

>

> IF you are going to look at Hormones, make sure you do the

BioIdentical

> hormones, you can read about them in Suzanne Sommers book.. I used a

plant

> estrogen called Menest and then also used PURE Progesterone orally.. I

only

> used them for a year and now its been since June 2000 that I had my

last

> period ( sorry guys, I know, not something you need ot hear about but

its

> something we women DO have to deal with along with the hep).. There IS

a

> time when the body stops making hormones and its a natural part of

aging,, I

> BELIEVE,,

>

> Im thinking about readint Suzanne Sommers book myself as I seem to be

having

> more problems with other aging symptoms and IM wondering if it might

help...

>

>

> but I'd still be very careful with Black Cohosh...

>

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Be careful following the Sommers book; what she recommends may not be

suitable for everyone and I hear you should review it carefully with

your doctor first!

> >

> > I had kept all menopausal symptoms pretty much at bay prior to tx

with

> > the use of some natural products (EstroySoy plus Black

Cohash).... and

> I

> > continued to take it during tx. When I came off of tx I got hit

like a

> > ton of bricks. Thought I was losing my mind... the depression,

lack of

> > sleep, night sweats, cold chills, pure craziness, etc., is what I

> > expected during tx, not after.....

> >

> > It has somewhat been alleviated with Progesterone Cream (and the

> > acupuncture and chinese herbs) but I am still not right.

> >

> > Anyone have any info or stories they'd like to share about this?

Or

> > where I might look for info regarding how to get my hormones back

in

> > balance.....?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Jackie

> >

>

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OH YEAH,, THAT goes without saying,, ALWAYS check out EVERYTHING with your doc,, <marvindamartian05@...> wrote: Be careful following the Sommers book; what she recommends may not be suitable for everyone and I hear you should review it carefully with your doctor first!> >> > I had kept all menopausal symptoms pretty much at bay prior to tx with> > the use of some natural products (EstroySoy plus Black Cohash).... and> I> > continued to take it during tx. When I came off of tx I got hit like a> > ton of bricks. Thought I was losing my mind... the depression, lack of> > sleep, night sweats, cold chills, pure craziness, etc., is what I> > expected during tx, not after.....> >> > It has somewhat been

alleviated with Progesterone Cream (and the> > acupuncture and chinese herbs) but I am still not right.> >> > Anyone have any info or stories they'd like to share about this? Or> > where I might look for info regarding how to get my hormones back in> > balance.....?> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Jackie> >>Jackie

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I can't remember what her book is called but Ill try to find it and then post it... There ARE studies that show women respond better to treatment before menopause because of the hormones,,, but I still would NEVER take Premarin or prempro,, pregnant horse urine is NOT for me,, lolrachel <DreamWoven@...> wrote: Jackie... i wasnt really going to look at "hormones" per se. Lookingfor a more natural path.... and info.... Do you have the name of the S.Sommers book?thanx for the

info.rachel>> I had kept all menopausal symptoms pretty much at bay prior to tx with> the use of some natural products (EstroySoy plus Black Cohash).... andI> continued to take it during tx. When I came off of tx I got hit like a> ton of bricks. Thought I was losing my mind... the depression, lack of> sleep, night sweats, cold chills, pure craziness, etc., is what I> expected during tx, not after.....>> It has somewhat been alleviated with Progesterone Cream (and the> acupuncture and chinese herbs) but I am still not right.>> Anyone have any info or stories they'd like to share about this? Or> where I might look for info regarding how to get my hormones back in> balance.....?>>>>>>>

Jackie>Jackie

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thats awful nikki,,, I took a product called Menest, it was a plant phytoestrogen and had NOTHING to do with any animal hormone... but because you have had hormone related breast cancer, you are right NOT to use it in any form... I thought it was amazing how so many docs just hand this stuff out without even thinking about it,, but I suppose its because the drug pharmies tell em its safe and push it with all the encentives they have an doffer to the docs to write scripts of THEIR drugs.... MY DOC actually appologized to me for pushing me for more than a year to use HRT... I refused for more than a year,,but I did give in when he came up with a natural plant estrogen,,, which I only used for a year,,, I still have some hot flashes and its been more than 6 years since I've had a menstrual cycle... but I'd rather have the hot flashes than get a cancer... God Bless ya honey!Nikki Cowan <nikkicowan@...> wrote: I know how you feel, , and I haven’t done TX. I am a breast cancer survivor and my cancer was hormone driven so I can’t take hormones of any kind, plant based or anything. Also, I wouldn’t take HRT even if I could as I am aware of the torture that the mares go through to produce what doctors so gaily pass out. It is a horrible thing and lots of folks are just

not aware that the pregnant mares are kept standing in cramped stalls with catheters in their bladders, denied water to make their urine more concentrated. Their babies are taken away immediately and they are immediately impregnated again to keep up the cycle until they die. No pastures, no sunlight, no affection, no exercise, just pain and boredom. I have horses of my own and could not imagine them being kept in that condition. For myself, I am 50 and still cycling. I have just gritted through being perimenopausal. My G-Grandmother cycled until she was 56 so I might still have some of it

to go through. However, my body seems to be adjusting. Again, it could be the urine therapy as I am recycling hormones. Martha Christy, in her book, discusses the hormone balancing effects. An excellent book to read, as well, is Dr. Christiane Northrup’s “ Women’s Bodies, Women’s Wisdom.” Nikki , please be careful with Black Cohosh, it can be very liver toxic!!! IF you are going to look at Hormones, make sure you do the BioIdentical hormones, you can read about them in Suzanne Sommers book.. I used a plant estrogen called Menest and then also used PURE Progesterone orally.. I only used them for a year and now its been since June 2000 that I had my last period ( sorry guys, I know, not something

you need ot hear about but its something we women DO have to deal with along with the hep).. There IS a time when the body stops making hormones and its a natural part of aging,, I BELIEVE,, Im thinking about readint Suzanne Sommers book myself as I seem to be having more problems with other aging symptoms and IM wondering if it might help... but I'd still be very careful with Black Cohosh... Jackie

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I've been in menopause for some years now, but have more trouble with symptoms now than then. Don't know if the tx did that or not. I recently stopped taking hormones, they did not keep the symptoms at bay and am going cold turkey til it allll passes. I DID take Black Cohosh til my doc told me it may have an effect on the liver and now I take nothing. I so surely hope things level out soon. I'm 63 and had a hysterectomy at 32 and have been battling one thing or another since then. arrgghh!! It's NOT fun getting old. Sharonrachel <DreamWoven@...> wrote: I had kept all menopausal symptoms pretty much at bay prior to tx withthe use of some natural products (EstroySoy plus Black Cohash).... and Icontinued to take it during tx. When I came off of tx I got hit like

aton of bricks. Thought I was losing my mind... the depression, lack ofsleep, night sweats, cold chills, pure craziness, etc., is what Iexpected during tx, not after.....It has somewhat been alleviated with Progesterone Cream (and theacupuncture and chinese herbs) but I am still not right.Anyone have any info or stories they'd like to share about this? Orwhere I might look for info regarding how to get my hormones back inbalance.....?

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well I'd get some wild yam cream and use that for the hot flashes etc, it really does help,, but you have to know how much to use,, you can overuse it too.. but it gives you the progesterone and that helps to balance out your hormonesSharon Crosby <blubirdxoxo@...> wrote: I've been in menopause for some years now, but have more trouble with symptoms now than then. Don't know if the tx did that or not. I recently stopped taking hormones, they did not keep the symptoms at bay and am going cold turkey til

it allll passes. I DID take Black Cohosh til my doc told me it may have an effect on the liver and now I take nothing. I so surely hope things level out soon. I'm 63 and had a hysterectomy at 32 and have been battling one thing or another since then. arrgghh!! It's NOT fun getting old. Sharonrachel <DreamWovenearthlink (DOT) net> wrote: I had kept all menopausal symptoms pretty much at bay prior to tx withthe use of some natural products (EstroySoy plus Black Cohash).... and Icontinued to take it during tx. When I came off of tx I got hit like aton of bricks. Thought I was losing my mind... the depression, lack ofsleep, night sweats, cold chills, pure craziness, etc., is what Iexpected during tx, not after.....It has somewhat been alleviated with Progesterone Cream (and theacupuncture and chinese

herbs) but I am still not right.Anyone have any info or stories they'd like to share about this? Orwhere I might look for info regarding how to get my hormones back inbalance.....? We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to . Jackie

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Hi sharon.........i hope they mellow out for you too! " It's NOT fun

getting old. " sure is true, but the alternative surely sucks! LOL

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> I had kept all menopausal symptoms pretty much at bay prior to tx with

> the use of some natural products (EstroySoy plus Black Cohash).... and

I

> continued to take it during tx. When I came off of tx I got hit like a

> ton of bricks. Thought I was losing my mind... the depression, lack of

> sleep, night sweats, cold chills, pure craziness, etc., is what I

> expected during tx, not after.....

>

> It has somewhat been alleviated with Progesterone Cream (and the

> acupuncture and chinese herbs) but I am still not right.

>

> Anyone have any info or stories they'd like to share about this? Or

> where I might look for info regarding how to get my hormones back in

> balance.....?

>

>

>

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Wild yam cream? Wow, Jax, that sounds yummy.

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> I had kept all menopausal symptoms pretty much at bay prior to tx

with

> the use of some natural products (EstroySoy plus Black Cohash)....

and I

> continued to take it during tx. When I came off of tx I got hit

like a

> ton of bricks. Thought I was losing my mind... the depression, lack

of

> sleep, night sweats, cold chills, pure craziness, etc., is what I

> expected during tx, not after.....

>

> It has somewhat been alleviated with Progesterone Cream (and the

> acupuncture and chinese herbs) but I am still not right.

>

> Anyone have any info or stories they'd like to share about this? Or

> where I might look for info regarding how to get my hormones back in

> balance.....?

>

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not to eat honey,, it is rubbed on your skin for transdermal therapy,, but you could eat a lot of yams and see IF that helps with the hot flashes,, <marvindamartian05@...> wrote: Wild yam cream? Wow, Jax, that sounds yummy.> > I had kept all menopausal symptoms pretty much at bay prior to tx with> the use of some natural products (EstroySoy plus

Black Cohash).... and I> continued to take it during tx. When I came off of tx I got hit like a> ton of bricks. Thought I was losing my mind... the depression, lack of> sleep, night sweats, cold chills, pure craziness, etc., is what I> expected during tx, not after.....> > It has somewhat been alleviated with Progesterone Cream (and the> acupuncture and chinese herbs) but I am still not right.> > Anyone have any info or stories they'd like to share about this? Or> where I might look for info regarding how to get my hormones back in> balance.....?> > > > ---------------------------------> We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to . > > > > > Jackie>Jackie

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I figured...just being a smarty pants..sorry! I love yams, though,

with marshmallows melted on top, brown sugar...and Thanksgiving's

coming...yum. Sorry, all, I have been deprived of yams of late, I

guess.

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> > I had kept all menopausal symptoms pretty much at bay prior to tx

> with

> > the use of some natural products (EstroySoy plus Black

Cohash)....

> and I

> > continued to take it during tx. When I came off of tx I got hit

> like a

> > ton of bricks. Thought I was losing my mind... the depression,

lack

> of

> > sleep, night sweats, cold chills, pure craziness, etc., is what I

> > expected during tx, not after.....

> >

> > It has somewhat been alleviated with Progesterone Cream (and the

> > acupuncture and chinese herbs) but I am still not right.

> >

> > Anyone have any info or stories they'd like to share about this?

Or

> > where I might look for info regarding how to get my hormones back

in

> > balance.....?

> >

> >

> >

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> > Jackie

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> Jackie

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Wild yam cream!! Who'da thought. lol I'll try anything. The heat my body generates is enough to heat the house. SharonJackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote: well I'd get some wild yam cream and use that for the hot flashes etc, it really does help,, but you have to know how much to use,, you can overuse it too.. but it gives you the progesterone and that helps to balance out your hormonesSharon Crosby <blubirdxoxo@...> wrote: I've been in menopause for some years now, but have more trouble with symptoms now than then. Don't know if the tx did that or not. I recently stopped taking hormones,

they did not keep the symptoms at bay and am going cold turkey til it allll passes. I DID take Black Cohosh til my doc told me it may have an effect on the liver and now I take nothing. I so surely hope things level out soon. I'm 63 and had a hysterectomy at 32 and have been battling one thing or another since then. arrgghh!! It's NOT fun getting old. Sharonrachel <DreamWovenearthlink (DOT) net> wrote: I had kept all menopausal symptoms pretty much at bay prior to tx withthe use of some natural products (EstroySoy plus Black Cohash).... and Icontinued to take it during tx. When I came off of tx I got hit like aton of bricks. Thought I was losing my mind... the depression, lack ofsleep, night sweats, cold chills, pure craziness, etc., is what Iexpected during tx, not after.....It has somewhat been

alleviated with Progesterone Cream (and theacupuncture and chinese herbs) but I am still not right.Anyone have any info or stories they'd like to share about this? Orwhere I might look for info regarding how to get my hormones back inbalance.....? We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to . Jackie

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you can get it an any health food store,, progesterone creme,, it reallyhelps too,, but just watch for products that contain valarian and black cohosh,, they are both bad for the liver and the people working in the HFS might not be aware of that and might try to sell you something that has one of those in it,,Sharon Crosby <blubirdxoxo@...> wrote: Wild yam cream!! Who'da thought. lol I'll try anything. The heat my body generates is enough to heat the house. SharonJackie on <redjaxjm > wrote: well I'd get some wild yam cream and use that for the hot flashes etc, it really does help,, but you have to know how much to use,, you can overuse it too.. but it gives you the progesterone and that helps to balance out your hormonesSharon Crosby <blubirdxoxo > wrote: I've been in menopause for some years now, but have more trouble with symptoms now than then. Don't know if the tx did that or not. I recently stopped taking hormones, they did not keep the symptoms at bay and am going cold turkey til it allll passes. I DID take Black Cohosh til my doc told me it may have an effect on the liver and now I take nothing. I so surely

hope things level out soon. I'm 63 and had a hysterectomy at 32 and have been battling one thing or another since then. arrgghh!! It's NOT fun getting old. Sharonrachel <DreamWovenearthlink (DOT) net> wrote: I had kept all menopausal symptoms pretty much at bay prior to tx withthe use of some natural products (EstroySoy plus Black Cohash).... and Icontinued to take it during tx. When I came off of tx I got hit like aton of bricks. Thought I was losing my mind... the depression, lack ofsleep, night sweats, cold chills, pure craziness, etc., is what Iexpected during tx, not after.....It has somewhat been alleviated with Progesterone Cream (and theacupuncture and chinese herbs) but I am still not right.Anyone have any info or stories they'd like to share about this? Orwhere I might look for info

regarding how to get my hormones back inbalance.....? We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to . Jackie Everyone is raving about the all-new . Jackie

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hahahaha and I FELL FOR IT,, hahahahahhaa,, I LOVE sweet potatoes too, in fact, had some tonite with my roast beef,, yummy! <marvindamartian05@...> wrote: I figured...just being a smarty pants..sorry! I love yams, though, with marshmallows melted on top, brown sugar...and Thanksgiving's coming...yum. Sorry, all, I have been deprived of yams of late, I guess.> > > > I had kept all menopausal symptoms pretty much at bay prior to tx > with> > the use of some natural products (EstroySoy plus Black Cohash).... > and I> > continued to take it during tx. When I came off of tx I got hit > like a> > ton of bricks. Thought I was losing my mind... the depression, lack > of>

> sleep, night sweats, cold chills, pure craziness, etc., is what I> > expected during tx, not after.....> > > > It has somewhat been alleviated with Progesterone Cream (and the> > acupuncture and chinese herbs) but I am still not right.> > > > Anyone have any info or stories they'd like to share about this? Or> > where I might look for info regarding how to get my hormones back in> > balance.....?> > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to > . > > > > > > > > > > Jackie> >> > > > > > > Jackie>Jackie

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hahahaha and I FELL FOR IT,, hahahahahhaa,, I LOVE sweet potatoes too, in fact, had some tonite with my roast beef,, yummy! <marvindamartian05@...> wrote: I figured...just being a smarty pants..sorry! I love yams, though, with marshmallows melted on top, brown sugar...and Thanksgiving's coming...yum. Sorry, all, I have been deprived of yams of late, I guess.> > > > I had kept all menopausal symptoms pretty much at bay prior to tx > with> > the use of some natural products (EstroySoy plus Black Cohash).... > and I> > continued to take it during tx. When I came off of tx I got hit > like a> > ton of bricks. Thought I was losing my mind... the depression, lack > of>

> sleep, night sweats, cold chills, pure craziness, etc., is what I> > expected during tx, not after.....> > > > It has somewhat been alleviated with Progesterone Cream (and the> > acupuncture and chinese herbs) but I am still not right.> > > > Anyone have any info or stories they'd like to share about this? Or> > where I might look for info regarding how to get my hormones back in> > balance.....?> > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to > . > > > > > > > > > > Jackie> >> > > > > > > Jackie>Jackie