Re: Structured Water/ Reply by Dr.B.

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Dear Tom & List Members:

Greetings. I haven't written to you guys in awhile and thought I'd jump

in here since I had some time, and I've been involved either

financially as an investor or friends with every major clustered water

manufacturer principle for the last 15 years...

Here's what I've told our patients (and L. for that matter...) who

ask about clustered waters:

First of all, all clustered waters are NOT the same. Penta (Bill) is

violating several patents from Dr.Lee Lorenzen who may have

taken a guy's named Loren's technology (Loren is a very nice hippy type

who is a brilliant scientist but bad at marketing and business and

always broke...(anyway,no one was there so we can't verify anything)...

Bill and his wife who owns Penta had to change his product due to the

lawsuit by Dr. Lee Lorenzen (Ph.D.biochemist) who is my friend and

collegue in Creation Research stuff...they're in violation of several of

Dr.Lorenzen's patents. I have been uniquely positioned between all of

these great people I'm not sure why...I remain friends with them all

despite their business disputes. I know the Penta story because

Dr.Lorenzen's lawyer is the husband of one of my expatients and lives

near me. I'm friends with several insiders from Penta who have left and

the company doesn't seem to be doing well...

Product isn't bad but overpriced...so the bottom line problem there is

distribution and bad relationships...

Next, Dr.Lorenzen's Vivo water is fantastic but he again is having

trouble with distribution and relationships...Lee doesn't trust people and

doesn't like the business of water... he does his best work in a lab and

education... I use it periodically when he has it available.

I've settled for now with my good friend Dr.Larry Stowe and his new

company, EON water (see attached). Dr.Stowe is a Ph.D. Chemical

Engineer and has an AltMed clinic in Texas. It's a brand new company (6

mos. old) with a brand new product made right and they're doing the

distribution right ... they have a seasoned team of beverage industry

leaders and a great distribution contract with Coca Cola and can use

their trucks... but all things take time and relationships to build so

right now they're only in So.Calif. and a few other places.

Unfortunately they're not set up for retail shipping so us distributors

have to do it for now. The product is hard to place since it does more

than a 85 cent bottle of Dasani...its a therapeutic water but the FDA

doesn't allow those claims...only hydration. So, because it's expensive

(although less than either Penta or Vivo...retail we're setting around

$1.70/bottle) we're targeting speciality gourmet and healthfood chains

right now. The product is proven extremely stable even when hot (makes

fantastic coffee---yee-ow!) http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com/eon.htm

We're looking for investors and distributors, so if anyone on the list

is interested, contact me.

I can tell you to save your $$ on the " clustered water blender " ...I have

been down that road and what a gimmick!

Making your own clustered water for drinking immediately or within 5-10

min. isn't hard at all you don't need a fancy-dancy Taiwanese blender

with a carbon filter, ceramic filter and bipolar magnets (unless you

like mixing 15 batches a day...). I initially thought those machines

were " cool " but soon found out what a joke they are...they seem cheap

until you realize the filters are $85.00 or thereabouts and you need to

change the stupid thing every 2 weeks because they're so small!! (they

must be in the inkjet printer business, eh...? Its all about disposables...)

Besides which, if it is really going to get into the cells (and only an

RJL meter can show this at the moment) then you don't want

too much initially if you're not used to drinking this type of

water...it's like flushing the pipes and you can get a " debris "

buildup...we tell folks to limit themselves to around 2-16 oz. bottles

per day max for the first 2 weeks. If you're really hydrating, you

don't need 4-10 bottles per day because you're actually getting use out

of it... the " 1/2 your body weight in water per day " comes from the

fact that we're only getting probably 1/4th the amount depending on the

water...it isn't necessary if you're getting the right type of water.

You're body has to take alot of energy to recluster that junky water ...

I'm focused on intracellular hydration (inside the cells), NOT

exracellular (between cells) per se.

If buying bottled water is a problem and you know of a better true water

cluster system which is stable and reasonably priced, I'm open but I

have to tell you, I haven't found any yet. Hope this is helpful.

Oh, by the way, we have now put together a ozone-far infrared sauna

package with the world's smallest oxygen

concentrator so you dont' need tank oxygen anymore...97% is fine for

sauna use with a good ozone generator. It's on

our website or feel free to call the office at 909-338-3533. I'm in

process of opening a Day Spa/Wellness Center here

in So.Calif. and we'll make the therapy available for those who don't

want to buy a system themselves.

God's Richest Blessings & Peace and Prosperity ...

Carolyn Bormann, N.D.,C.M.H.T.

U.S. Admin./Case Coordinator

Europa Institute of Integrated Medicine

Tijuana, BC Mexico

& Owner, Arrowhead Healthworks

Crestline, CA

http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com/

************************************

Tom Harrelson wrote:

>Anyone use structured water in a significant quantity (more than 16

>oz/day)? There's a company that makes Penta water which I've heard

>good comments about. If so what was your experience? I am thinking

>about buying a machine that, apparently, makes hexagonal water but

>it's $500 so it better be good. It's supposed to hydrate about 10

>times as well as regular water and increase assimilation of nutrients

>and transport of wastes in cells.

>

>Thanks for your input,

>

> Ladendorf

>

><SNIP>

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>Hi ! I've NOT drunk HIGH Amounts of Penta Water, so I can't

>answer you. I did post some Information about a month ago on

>Primordial " M " Water, which I've NOT drunk yet at all. Dr.

>Wheeler (see below) claims that his Primordial " M " Water is BETTER

>than Penta Water.

>

>http://www.0disease.com/0penta.html

>

> " THANKS " for your post!

>

>Tom/Psa. 139:13, 14.

>

>

>

>

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Dr. Bormann,

How does your IR/ozone sauna differ from a steam/ozone type?

In other words, are the results obtained using your IR/ozone type sauna any

different from using obtained by using a steam/ozone type?

Dennis

Re: Re: Structured Water/ Reply by Dr.B.

> Dear Tom & List Members:

> Greetings. I haven't written to you guys in awhile and thought I'd jump

> in here since I had some time, and I've been involved either

> financially as an investor or friends with every major clustered water

> manufacturer principle for the last 15 years...

>

> Here's what I've told our patients (and L. for that matter...) who

> ask about clustered waters:

>

> First of all, all clustered waters are NOT the same. Penta (Bill) is

> violating several patents from Dr.Lee Lorenzen who may have

> taken a guy's named Loren's technology (Loren is a very nice hippy type

> who is a brilliant scientist but bad at marketing and business and

> always broke...(anyway,no one was there so we can't verify anything)...

> Bill and his wife who owns Penta had to change his product due to the

> lawsuit by Dr. Lee Lorenzen (Ph.D.biochemist) who is my friend and

> collegue in Creation Research stuff...they're in violation of several of

> Dr.Lorenzen's patents. I have been uniquely positioned between all of

> these great people I'm not sure why...I remain friends with them all

> despite their business disputes. I know the Penta story because

> Dr.Lorenzen's lawyer is the husband of one of my expatients and lives

> near me. I'm friends with several insiders from Penta who have left and

> the company doesn't seem to be doing well...

> Product isn't bad but overpriced...so the bottom line problem there is

> distribution and bad relationships...

>

> Next, Dr.Lorenzen's Vivo water is fantastic but he again is having

> trouble with distribution and relationships...Lee doesn't trust people and

> doesn't like the business of water... he does his best work in a lab and

> education... I use it periodically when he has it available.

>

> I've settled for now with my good friend Dr.Larry Stowe and his new

> company, EON water (see attached). Dr.Stowe is a Ph.D. Chemical

> Engineer and has an AltMed clinic in Texas. It's a brand new company (6

> mos. old) with a brand new product made right and they're doing the

> distribution right ... they have a seasoned team of beverage industry

> leaders and a great distribution contract with Coca Cola and can use

> their trucks... but all things take time and relationships to build so

> right now they're only in So.Calif. and a few other places.

> Unfortunately they're not set up for retail shipping so us distributors

> have to do it for now. The product is hard to place since it does more

> than a 85 cent bottle of Dasani...its a therapeutic water but the FDA

> doesn't allow those claims...only hydration. So, because it's expensive

> (although less than either Penta or Vivo...retail we're setting around

> $1.70/bottle) we're targeting speciality gourmet and healthfood chains

> right now. The product is proven extremely stable even when hot (makes

> fantastic coffee---yee-ow!) http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com/eon.htm

> We're looking for investors and distributors, so if anyone on the list

> is interested, contact me.

>

> I can tell you to save your $$ on the " clustered water blender " ...I have

> been down that road and what a gimmick!

> Making your own clustered water for drinking immediately or within 5-10

> min. isn't hard at all you don't need a fancy-dancy Taiwanese blender

> with a carbon filter, ceramic filter and bipolar magnets (unless you

> like mixing 15 batches a day...). I initially thought those machines

> were " cool " but soon found out what a joke they are...they seem cheap

> until you realize the filters are $85.00 or thereabouts and you need to

> change the stupid thing every 2 weeks because they're so small!! (they

> must be in the inkjet printer business, eh...? Its all about

disposables...)

>

> Besides which, if it is really going to get into the cells (and only an

> RJL meter can show this at the moment) then you don't want

> too much initially if you're not used to drinking this type of

> water...it's like flushing the pipes and you can get a " debris "

> buildup...we tell folks to limit themselves to around 2-16 oz. bottles

> per day max for the first 2 weeks. If you're really hydrating, you

> don't need 4-10 bottles per day because you're actually getting use out

> of it... the " 1/2 your body weight in water per day " comes from the

> fact that we're only getting probably 1/4th the amount depending on the

> water...it isn't necessary if you're getting the right type of water.

> You're body has to take alot of energy to recluster that junky water ...

>

> I'm focused on intracellular hydration (inside the cells), NOT

> exracellular (between cells) per se.

>

> If buying bottled water is a problem and you know of a better true water

> cluster system which is stable and reasonably priced, I'm open but I

> have to tell you, I haven't found any yet. Hope this is helpful.

>

> Oh, by the way, we have now put together a ozone-far infrared sauna

> package with the world's smallest oxygen

> concentrator so you dont' need tank oxygen anymore...97% is fine for

> sauna use with a good ozone generator. It's on

> our website or feel free to call the office at 909-338-3533. I'm in

> process of opening a Day Spa/Wellness Center here

> in So.Calif. and we'll make the therapy available for those who don't

> want to buy a system themselves.

>

> God's Richest Blessings & Peace and Prosperity ...

>

> Carolyn Bormann, N.D.,C.M.H.T.

> U.S. Admin./Case Coordinator

> Europa Institute of Integrated Medicine

> Tijuana, BC Mexico

> & Owner, Arrowhead Healthworks

> Crestline, CA

> http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com/

> ************************************

> Tom Harrelson wrote:

>

> >Anyone use structured water in a significant quantity (more than 16

> >oz/day)? There's a company that makes Penta water which I've heard

> >good comments about. If so what was your experience? I am thinking

> >about buying a machine that, apparently, makes hexagonal water but

> >it's $500 so it better be good. It's supposed to hydrate about 10

> >times as well as regular water and increase assimilation of nutrients

> >and transport of wastes in cells.

> >

> >Thanks for your input,

> >

> > Ladendorf

> >

> ><SNIP>

> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >Hi ! I've NOT drunk HIGH Amounts of Penta Water, so I can't

> >answer you. I did post some Information about a month ago on

> >Primordial " M " Water, which I've NOT drunk yet at all. Dr.

> >Wheeler (see below) claims that his Primordial " M " Water is BETTER

> >than Penta Water.

> >

> >http://www.0disease.com/0penta.html

> >

> > " THANKS " for your post!

> >

> >Tom/Psa. 139:13, 14.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self-help subjects.

> >

> >THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

> >

> >This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here

are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your

own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to

take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to

hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher

or health care provider.

> >

> >You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following

address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! -

> >DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of

the message! :

> >

> > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups

> >

> > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal

mode.

> >

[Guest guest]

> Dear Tom & List Members:

> Greetings. I haven't written to you guys in awhile and thought I'd

jump

> in here since I had some time, and I've been involved either

> financially as an investor or friends with every major clustered

water

> manufacturer principle for the last 15 years...

>

> Here's what I've told our patients (and L. for that

matter...) who

> ask about clustered waters:

>

> First of all, all clustered waters are NOT the same. Penta (Bill)

is

> violating several patents from Dr.Lee Lorenzen who may have

> taken a guy's named Loren's technology (Loren is a very nice hippy

type

> who is a brilliant scientist but bad at marketing and business and

> always broke...(anyway,no one was there so we can't verify

anything)...

> Bill and his wife who owns Penta had to change his product due to

the

> lawsuit by Dr. Lee Lorenzen (Ph.D.biochemist) who is my friend and

> collegue in Creation Research stuff...they're in violation of

several of

> Dr.Lorenzen's patents. I have been uniquely positioned between all

of

> these great people I'm not sure why...I remain friends with them

all

> despite their business disputes. I know the Penta story because

> Dr.Lorenzen's lawyer is the husband of one of my expatients and

lives

> near me. I'm friends with several insiders from Penta who have

left and

> the company doesn't seem to be doing well...

> Product isn't bad but overpriced...so the bottom line problem there

is

> distribution and bad relationships...

>

> Next, Dr.Lorenzen's Vivo water is fantastic but he again is having

> trouble with distribution and relationships...Lee doesn't trust

people and

> doesn't like the business of water... he does his best work in a

lab and

> education... I use it periodically when he has it available.

>

> I've settled for now with my good friend Dr.Larry Stowe and his new

> company, EON water (see attached). Dr.Stowe is a Ph.D. Chemical

> Engineer and has an AltMed clinic in Texas. It's a brand new

company (6

> mos. old) with a brand new product made right and they're doing the

> distribution right ... they have a seasoned team of beverage

industry

> leaders and a great distribution contract with Coca Cola and can

use

> their trucks... but all things take time and relationships to build

so

> right now they're only in So.Calif. and a few other places.

> Unfortunately they're not set up for retail shipping so us

distributors

> have to do it for now. The product is hard to place since it does

more

> than a 85 cent bottle of Dasani...its a therapeutic water but the

FDA

> doesn't allow those claims...only hydration. So, because it's

expensive

> (although less than either Penta or Vivo...retail we're setting

around

> $1.70/bottle) we're targeting speciality gourmet and healthfood

chains

> right now. The product is proven extremely stable even when hot

(makes

> fantastic coffee---yee-ow!)

http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com/eon.htm

> We're looking for investors and distributors, so if anyone on the

list

> is interested, contact me.

>

> I can tell you to save your $$ on the " clustered water blender " ...I

have

> been down that road and what a gimmick!

> Making your own clustered water for drinking immediately or within

5-10

> min. isn't hard at all you don't need a fancy-dancy Taiwanese

blender

> with a carbon filter, ceramic filter and bipolar magnets (unless

you

> like mixing 15 batches a day...). I initially thought those

machines

> were " cool " but soon found out what a joke they are...they seem

cheap

> until you realize the filters are $85.00 or thereabouts and you

need to

> change the stupid thing every 2 weeks because they're so small!!

(they

> must be in the inkjet printer business, eh...? Its all about

disposables...)

>

> Besides which, if it is really going to get into the cells (and

only an

> RJL meter can show this at the moment) then you don't want

> too much initially if you're not used to drinking this type of

> water...it's like flushing the pipes and you can get a " debris "

> buildup...we tell folks to limit themselves to around 2-16 oz.

bottles

> per day max for the first 2 weeks. If you're really hydrating, you

> don't need 4-10 bottles per day because you're actually getting use

out

> of it... the " 1/2 your body weight in water per day " comes from

the

> fact that we're only getting probably 1/4th the amount depending on

the

> water...it isn't necessary if you're getting the right type of

water.

> You're body has to take alot of energy to recluster that junky

water ...

>

> I'm focused on intracellular hydration (inside the cells), NOT

> exracellular (between cells) per se.

>

> If buying bottled water is a problem and you know of a better true

water

> cluster system which is stable and reasonably priced, I'm open but

I

> have to tell you, I haven't found any yet. Hope this is helpful.

>

> Oh, by the way, we have now put together a ozone-far infrared sauna

> package with the world's smallest oxygen

> concentrator so you dont' need tank oxygen anymore...97% is fine

for

> sauna use with a good ozone generator. It's on

> our website or feel free to call the office at 909-338-3533. I'm

in

> process of opening a Day Spa/Wellness Center here

> in So.Calif. and we'll make the therapy available for those who

don't

> want to buy a system themselves.

>

> God's Richest Blessings & Peace and Prosperity ...

>

> Carolyn Bormann, N.D.,C.M.H.T.

> U.S. Admin./Case Coordinator

> Europa Institute of Integrated Medicine

> Tijuana, BC Mexico

> & Owner, Arrowhead Healthworks

> Crestline, CA

> http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com/

<SNIP>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dr. Bormann,

Hi! Are you familiar with Dr. Wheeler's Primordial " M " Water?

He claims that his Primordial " M " Water is " BEYOND ALL OTHER WATER

PRODUCTS " (see below).

http://www.0disease.com/0waterheal.html#beyond

Were you referring to the VITALIZER PLUS above?

http://www.cutcat.com/page4.8.html#vital

" THANKS " in advance for your answers!

Tom/Psa. 139:13, 14.