Re: Re: Reply to Dennis by Dr.Bormann

June 24, 2004

Dear Dennis:

Thanks for your inquiry. Yes, an far infrared sauna has the benefits of

both the far infrared energy and the ozone.

A steam sauna has no far infrared energy whatsoever. It doesn't require

the addition of steam for heat but uses the

far infrared heaters to generate the heat, which penetrates deeper than

surface heating does. Also, with a steam sauna

you don't get any liquifaction of the bodily fluids like sebaceous sweat

(fat glands) or ejection of the toxic fat soluable toxins

which you would get with far infrared sauna and not a steam sauna.

There are significant and profound differences, not to mention the

obvious one of not sitting but rather lying down to achieve

a better and more even core temperature elevation.

It all depends on what you're trying to achieve. Some sauna is better

than none...

Are you a patient, manufacturer, ...? What is your primary interest?

I've been rather general here...

Dr.Bormann

****************

Dennis wrote:

>Dr. Bormann,

>

>How does your IR/ozone sauna differ from a steam/ozone type?

>

>In other words, are the results obtained using your IR/ozone type sauna any

>different from using obtained by using a steam/ozone type?

>

>Dennis

>

> Re: Re: Structured Water/ Reply by Dr.B.

>

>>Dear Tom & List Members:

>>Greetings. I haven't written to you guys in awhile and thought I'd jump

>>in here since I had some time, and I've been involved either

>>financially as an investor or friends with every major clustered water

>>manufacturer principle for the last 15 years...

>>

>>Here's what I've told our patients (and L. for that matter...) who

>>ask about clustered waters:

>>

>>First of all, all clustered waters are NOT the same. Penta (Bill) is

>>violating several patents from Dr.Lee Lorenzen who may have

>>taken a guy's named Loren's technology (Loren is a very nice hippy type

>>who is a brilliant scientist but bad at marketing and business and

>>always broke...(anyway,no one was there so we can't verify anything)...

>>Bill and his wife who owns Penta had to change his product due to the

>>lawsuit by Dr. Lee Lorenzen (Ph.D.biochemist) who is my friend and

>>collegue in Creation Research stuff...they're in violation of several of

>>Dr.Lorenzen's patents. I have been uniquely positioned between all of

>>these great people I'm not sure why...I remain friends with them all

>>despite their business disputes. I know the Penta story because

>>Dr.Lorenzen's lawyer is the husband of one of my expatients and lives

>>near me. I'm friends with several insiders from Penta who have left and

>>the company doesn't seem to be doing well...

>>Product isn't bad but overpriced...so the bottom line problem there is

>>distribution and bad relationships...

>>

>>Next, Dr.Lorenzen's Vivo water is fantastic but he again is having

>>trouble with distribution and relationships...Lee doesn't trust people and

>>doesn't like the business of water... he does his best work in a lab and

>>education... I use it periodically when he has it available.

>>

>>I've settled for now with my good friend Dr.Larry Stowe and his new

>>company, EON water (see attached). Dr.Stowe is a Ph.D. Chemical

>>Engineer and has an AltMed clinic in Texas. It's a brand new company (6

>>mos. old) with a brand new product made right and they're doing the

>>distribution right ... they have a seasoned team of beverage industry

>>leaders and a great distribution contract with Coca Cola and can use

>>their trucks... but all things take time and relationships to build so

>>right now they're only in So.Calif. and a few other places.

>>Unfortunately they're not set up for retail shipping so us distributors

>>have to do it for now. The product is hard to place since it does more

>>than a 85 cent bottle of Dasani...its a therapeutic water but the FDA

>>doesn't allow those claims...only hydration. So, because it's expensive

>>(although less than either Penta or Vivo...retail we're setting around

>>$1.70/bottle) we're targeting speciality gourmet and healthfood chains

>>right now. The product is proven extremely stable even when hot (makes

>>fantastic coffee---yee-ow!) http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com/eon.htm

>>We're looking for investors and distributors, so if anyone on the list

>>is interested, contact me.

>>

>>I can tell you to save your $$ on the " clustered water blender " ...I have

>>been down that road and what a gimmick!

>>Making your own clustered water for drinking immediately or within 5-10

>>min. isn't hard at all you don't need a fancy-dancy Taiwanese blender

>>with a carbon filter, ceramic filter and bipolar magnets (unless you

>>like mixing 15 batches a day...). I initially thought those machines

>>were " cool " but soon found out what a joke they are...they seem cheap

>>until you realize the filters are $85.00 or thereabouts and you need to

>>change the stupid thing every 2 weeks because they're so small!! (they

>>must be in the inkjet printer business, eh...? Its all about

>>

>disposables...)

>

>>Besides which, if it is really going to get into the cells (and only an

>>RJL meter can show this at the moment) then you don't want

>>too much initially if you're not used to drinking this type of

>>water...it's like flushing the pipes and you can get a " debris "

>>buildup...we tell folks to limit themselves to around 2-16 oz. bottles

>>per day max for the first 2 weeks. If you're really hydrating, you

>>don't need 4-10 bottles per day because you're actually getting use out

>>of it... the " 1/2 your body weight in water per day " comes from the

>>fact that we're only getting probably 1/4th the amount depending on the

>>water...it isn't necessary if you're getting the right type of water.

>>You're body has to take alot of energy to recluster that junky water ...

>>

>>I'm focused on intracellular hydration (inside the cells), NOT

>>exracellular (between cells) per se.

>>

>>If buying bottled water is a problem and you know of a better true water

>>cluster system which is stable and reasonably priced, I'm open but I

>>have to tell you, I haven't found any yet. Hope this is helpful.

>>

>>Oh, by the way, we have now put together a ozone-far infrared sauna

>>package with the world's smallest oxygen

>>concentrator so you dont' need tank oxygen anymore...97% is fine for

>>sauna use with a good ozone generator. It's on

>>our website or feel free to call the office at 909-338-3533. I'm in

>>process of opening a Day Spa/Wellness Center here

>>in So.Calif. and we'll make the therapy available for those who don't

>>want to buy a system themselves.

>>

>>God's Richest Blessings & Peace and Prosperity ...

>>

>>Carolyn Bormann, N.D.,C.M.H.T.

>>U.S. Admin./Case Coordinator

>>Europa Institute of Integrated Medicine

>>Tijuana, BC Mexico

>> & Owner, Arrowhead Healthworks

>>Crestline, CA

>>http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com/

>>************************************

>>Tom Harrelson wrote:

>>

>>>Anyone use structured water in a significant quantity (more than 16

>>>oz/day)? There's a company that makes Penta water which I've heard

>>>good comments about. If so what was your experience? I am thinking

>>>about buying a machine that, apparently, makes hexagonal water but

>>>it's $500 so it better be good. It's supposed to hydrate about 10

>>>times as well as regular water and increase assimilation of nutrients

>>>and transport of wastes in cells.

>>>

>>>Thanks for your input,

>>>

>>> Ladendorf

>>>

>>><SNIP>

>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>>>Hi ! I've NOT drunk HIGH Amounts of Penta Water, so I can't

>>>answer you. I did post some Information about a month ago on

>>>Primordial " M " Water, which I've NOT drunk yet at all. Dr.

>>>Wheeler (see below) claims that his Primordial " M " Water is BETTER

>>>than Penta Water.

>>>

>>>http://www.0disease.com/0penta.html

>>>

>>> " THANKS " for your post!

>>>

>>>Tom/Psa. 139:13, 14.

>>>

>>>OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

>>>

>other alternative self-help subjects.

>

>>>THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>>>

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>>>

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June 24, 2004

Dr. Borman,

I'm just a " healthy " person trying to stay healthy.

I presently have an ozone/steam sauna. My understanding is that the moisture

& heat play a secondary supporting role to the ozone, enhancing its

absorption into the lymphatic system and also to some extent the blood

system. The ozone is the part that does the heavy lifting.

My interest is in general detoxification and prevention.

Dennis

P.S. I'm happy that you came back to discuss these issues as in the past

you would post and disappear. I hope you stick around.

Re: Re: Structured Water/ Reply by Dr.B.

> >

> >>Dear Tom & List Members:

> >>Greetings. I haven't written to you guys in awhile and thought I'd jump

> >>in here since I had some time, and I've been involved either

> >>financially as an investor or friends with every major clustered water

> >>manufacturer principle for the last 15 years...

> >>

> >>Here's what I've told our patients (and L. for that matter...) who

> >>ask about clustered waters:

> >>

> >>First of all, all clustered waters are NOT the same. Penta (Bill) is

> >>violating several patents from Dr.Lee Lorenzen who may have

> >>taken a guy's named Loren's technology (Loren is a very nice hippy type

> >>who is a brilliant scientist but bad at marketing and business and

> >>always broke...(anyway,no one was there so we can't verify anything)...

> >>Bill and his wife who owns Penta had to change his product due to the

> >>lawsuit by Dr. Lee Lorenzen (Ph.D.biochemist) who is my friend and

> >>collegue in Creation Research stuff...they're in violation of several of

> >>Dr.Lorenzen's patents. I have been uniquely positioned between all of

> >>these great people I'm not sure why...I remain friends with them all

> >>despite their business disputes. I know the Penta story because

> >>Dr.Lorenzen's lawyer is the husband of one of my expatients and lives

> >>near me. I'm friends with several insiders from Penta who have left and

> >>the company doesn't seem to be doing well...

> >>Product isn't bad but overpriced...so the bottom line problem there is

> >>distribution and bad relationships...

> >>

> >>Next, Dr.Lorenzen's Vivo water is fantastic but he again is having

> >>trouble with distribution and relationships...Lee doesn't trust people

and

> >>doesn't like the business of water... he does his best work in a lab and

> >>education... I use it periodically when he has it available.

> >>

> >>I've settled for now with my good friend Dr.Larry Stowe and his new

> >>company, EON water (see attached). Dr.Stowe is a Ph.D. Chemical

> >>Engineer and has an AltMed clinic in Texas. It's a brand new company (6

> >>mos. old) with a brand new product made right and they're doing the

> >>distribution right ... they have a seasoned team of beverage industry

> >>leaders and a great distribution contract with Coca Cola and can use

> >>their trucks... but all things take time and relationships to build so

> >>right now they're only in So.Calif. and a few other places.

> >>Unfortunately they're not set up for retail shipping so us distributors

> >>have to do it for now. The product is hard to place since it does more

> >>than a 85 cent bottle of Dasani...its a therapeutic water but the FDA

> >>doesn't allow those claims...only hydration. So, because it's expensive

> >>(although less than either Penta or Vivo...retail we're setting around

> >>$1.70/bottle) we're targeting speciality gourmet and healthfood chains

> >>right now. The product is proven extremely stable even when hot (makes

> >>fantastic coffee---yee-ow!) http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com/eon.htm

> >>We're looking for investors and distributors, so if anyone on the list

> >>is interested, contact me.

> >>

> >>I can tell you to save your $$ on the " clustered water blender " ...I have

> >>been down that road and what a gimmick!

> >>Making your own clustered water for drinking immediately or within 5-10

> >>min. isn't hard at all you don't need a fancy-dancy Taiwanese blender

> >>with a carbon filter, ceramic filter and bipolar magnets (unless you

> >>like mixing 15 batches a day...). I initially thought those machines

> >>were " cool " but soon found out what a joke they are...they seem cheap

> >>until you realize the filters are $85.00 or thereabouts and you need to

> >>change the stupid thing every 2 weeks because they're so small!! (they

> >>must be in the inkjet printer business, eh...? Its all about

> >>

> >disposables...)

> >

> >>Besides which, if it is really going to get into the cells (and only an

> >>RJL meter can show this at the moment) then you don't want

> >>too much initially if you're not used to drinking this type of

> >>water...it's like flushing the pipes and you can get a " debris "

> >>buildup...we tell folks to limit themselves to around 2-16 oz. bottles

> >>per day max for the first 2 weeks. If you're really hydrating, you

> >>don't need 4-10 bottles per day because you're actually getting use out

> >>of it... the " 1/2 your body weight in water per day " comes from the

> >>fact that we're only getting probably 1/4th the amount depending on the

> >>water...it isn't necessary if you're getting the right type of water.

> >>You're body has to take alot of energy to recluster that junky water ...

> >>

> >>I'm focused on intracellular hydration (inside the cells), NOT

> >>exracellular (between cells) per se.

> >>

> >>If buying bottled water is a problem and you know of a better true water

> >>cluster system which is stable and reasonably priced, I'm open but I

> >>have to tell you, I haven't found any yet. Hope this is helpful.

> >>

> >>Oh, by the way, we have now put together a ozone-far infrared sauna

> >>package with the world's smallest oxygen

> >>concentrator so you dont' need tank oxygen anymore...97% is fine for

> >>sauna use with a good ozone generator. It's on

> >>our website or feel free to call the office at 909-338-3533. I'm in

> >>process of opening a Day Spa/Wellness Center here

> >>in So.Calif. and we'll make the therapy available for those who don't

> >>want to buy a system themselves.

> >>

> >>God's Richest Blessings & Peace and Prosperity ...

> >>

> >>Carolyn Bormann, N.D.,C.M.H.T.

> >>U.S. Admin./Case Coordinator

> >>Europa Institute of Integrated Medicine

> >>Tijuana, BC Mexico

> >> & Owner, Arrowhead Healthworks

> >>Crestline, CA

> >>http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com/

> >>************************************

> >>Tom Harrelson wrote:

> >>

> >>>Anyone use structured water in a significant quantity (more than 16

> >>>oz/day)? There's a company that makes Penta water which I've heard

> >>>good comments about. If so what was your experience? I am thinking

> >>>about buying a machine that, apparently, makes hexagonal water but

> >>>it's $500 so it better be good. It's supposed to hydrate about 10

> >>>times as well as regular water and increase assimilation of nutrients

> >>>and transport of wastes in cells.

> >>>

> >>>Thanks for your input,

> >>>

> >>> Ladendorf

> >>>

> >>><SNIP>

> >>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >>>Hi ! I've NOT drunk HIGH Amounts of Penta Water, so I can't

> >>>answer you. I did post some Information about a month ago on

> >>>Primordial " M " Water, which I've NOT drunk yet at all. Dr.

> >>>Wheeler (see below) claims that his Primordial " M " Water is BETTER

> >>>than Penta Water.

> >>>

> >>>http://www.0disease.com/0penta.html

> >>>

> >>> " THANKS " for your post!

> >>>

> >>>Tom/Psa. 139:13, 14.

> >>>

> >>>OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

> >>>

> >other alternative self-help subjects.

> >

> >>>THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

> >>>

> >>>This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here

> >>>

> >are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

> >information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at

your

> >own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability

to

> >take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree

to

> >hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

> >here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a

researcher

> >or health care provider.

> >

> >>>You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following

> >>>

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of

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> >>>

June 25, 2004

Dennis:

Thanks for your thoughts. Kudos for being responsible for your own

healthcare and taking care of yourself...!

In regards to steam ozone sauna, we've owned all of the models at our TJ

clinic and they're OK (messy and the resins holding the fiberglass tend

to delaminate over time...) but I want to give our patients the benefit

of deeper organ treatment and ejection of toxic fat-soluable toxins at

the core of so many illnesses...therefore using the ozone combined with

the FIR energy is ideal in my opinion.

The moisture from the skin sweat is sufficient if the patient is

continually hydrated using something like our EON water and if the

capillaries and venous system is upregulated already from the FIR energy

and the vessels are relaxed, production of hormones and other factors

are what potentize the added oxygen/ ozone free radical cascade, we feel

the results are better than we got with steam and ozone alone.

Steam heat source can't provide that. I've had steam saunas in our clinc

in TJ over the years...we've tried just about every model out there at

some point and the results can't compare. Something is better than

nothing, and I'm not trying to " dis " steam saunas...however, if I have

my drothers, after using both types of systems, I'd prefer the FIR combo

(obviously since I got into manufacturing them...I'm prejudiced here...)

Your comment about steam facilitating ozone getting into the lymphatics

unfortunately is not consistent with what we know about ozone and

physiology....simply doesn't happen...ozone is instantaneously used up

when it hits the water and turned into 01 and other radicals, and you

don't actually get any ozone into the skin or circulation (Dr.Bocci's

studies)..., also we believe that ozone is actually NOT the beneficial

agent...it's the byproducts of the ozone reacting with the enzymes in

the skin which stress the body with free radical by products and

upregulates antioxidant mechanism (if the raw material buffers are there

such as vitamin C, bioflavanoids, vitamin E, tocotrienols, SOD, etc.) If

the person doesn't have sufficient raw materials or is full of toxic

trans fats, you can actually accelerate skin damage/age them prematurely

them from the excess free radical damage. That's why its critical the

patient be detoxified and be on a good clean organic diet with plenty of

pure water and exercize and sauna or sweat therapy...garbage in, garbage

out as they say...

The on-going clinical research at Dr.Bocci's university setting has

yielded some interesting concepts...you can see a brief overview on my

website about the hypothesized fate of ozone on skin and I'd recommend

getting the book if you like technical info...

http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com/HBOEX.htm

You're on the right track. Keep up the good work. My comments are more

technical in nature and not to be construed as a criticism of steam

sauna therapy which has done alot for many people. I simply went a step

further, that's all.

Dr.B.

******************

Dennis wrote:

>Dr. Borman,

>

>I'm just a " healthy " person trying to stay healthy.

>

>I presently have an ozone/steam sauna. My understanding is that the moisture

> & heat play a secondary supporting role to the ozone, enhancing its

>absorption into the lymphatic system and also to some extent the blood

>system. The ozone is the part that does the heavy lifting.

>

>My interest is in general detoxification and prevention.

>

>Dennis

>

>P.S. I'm happy that you came back to discuss these issues as in the past

>you would post and disappear. I hope you stick around.

>

> Re: Re: Structured Water/ Reply by Dr.B.

>>>

>>>>Dear Tom & List Members:

>>>>Greetings. I haven't written to you guys in awhile and thought I'd jump

>>>>in here since I had some time, and I've been involved either

>>>>financially as an investor or friends with every major clustered water

>>>>manufacturer principle for the last 15 years...

>>>>

>>>>Here's what I've told our patients (and L. for that matter...) who

>>>>ask about clustered waters:

>>>>

>>>>First of all, all clustered waters are NOT the same. Penta (Bill) is

>>>>violating several patents from Dr.Lee Lorenzen who may have

>>>>taken a guy's named Loren's technology (Loren is a very nice hippy type

>>>>who is a brilliant scientist but bad at marketing and business and

>>>>always broke...(anyway,no one was there so we can't verify anything)...

>>>>Bill and his wife who owns Penta had to change his product due to the

>>>>lawsuit by Dr. Lee Lorenzen (Ph.D.biochemist) who is my friend and

>>>>collegue in Creation Research stuff...they're in violation of several of

>>>>Dr.Lorenzen's patents. I have been uniquely positioned between all of

>>>>these great people I'm not sure why...I remain friends with them all

>>>>despite their business disputes. I know the Penta story because

>>>>Dr.Lorenzen's lawyer is the husband of one of my expatients and lives

>>>>near me. I'm friends with several insiders from Penta who have left and

>>>>the company doesn't seem to be doing well...

>>>>Product isn't bad but overpriced...so the bottom line problem there is

>>>>distribution and bad relationships...

>>>>

>>>>Next, Dr.Lorenzen's Vivo water is fantastic but he again is having

>>>>trouble with distribution and relationships...Lee doesn't trust people

>>>>

>and

>

>>>>doesn't like the business of water... he does his best work in a lab and

>>>>education... I use it periodically when he has it available.

>>>>

>>>>I've settled for now with my good friend Dr.Larry Stowe and his new

>>>>company, EON water (see attached). Dr.Stowe is a Ph.D. Chemical

>>>>Engineer and has an AltMed clinic in Texas. It's a brand new company (6

>>>>mos. old) with a brand new product made right and they're doing the

>>>>distribution right ... they have a seasoned team of beverage industry

>>>>leaders and a great distribution contract with Coca Cola and can use

>>>>their trucks... but all things take time and relationships to build so

>>>>right now they're only in So.Calif. and a few other places.

>>>>Unfortunately they're not set up for retail shipping so us distributors

>>>>have to do it for now. The product is hard to place since it does more

>>>>than a 85 cent bottle of Dasani...its a therapeutic water but the FDA

>>>>doesn't allow those claims...only hydration. So, because it's expensive

>>>>(although less than either Penta or Vivo...retail we're setting around

>>>>$1.70/bottle) we're targeting speciality gourmet and healthfood chains

>>>>right now. The product is proven extremely stable even when hot (makes

>>>>fantastic coffee---yee-ow!) http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com/eon.htm

>>>>We're looking for investors and distributors, so if anyone on the list

>>>>is interested, contact me.

>>>>

>>>>I can tell you to save your $$ on the " clustered water blender " ...I have

>>>>been down that road and what a gimmick!

>>>>Making your own clustered water for drinking immediately or within 5-10

>>>>min. isn't hard at all you don't need a fancy-dancy Taiwanese blender

>>>>with a carbon filter, ceramic filter and bipolar magnets (unless you

>>>>like mixing 15 batches a day...). I initially thought those machines

>>>>were " cool " but soon found out what a joke they are...they seem cheap

>>>>until you realize the filters are $85.00 or thereabouts and you need to

>>>>change the stupid thing every 2 weeks because they're so small!! (they

>>>>must be in the inkjet printer business, eh...? Its all about

>>>>

>>>disposables...)

>>>

>>>>Besides which, if it is really going to get into the cells (and only an

>>>>RJL meter can show this at the moment) then you don't want

>>>>too much initially if you're not used to drinking this type of

>>>>water...it's like flushing the pipes and you can get a " debris "

>>>>buildup...we tell folks to limit themselves to around 2-16 oz. bottles

>>>>per day max for the first 2 weeks. If you're really hydrating, you

>>>>don't need 4-10 bottles per day because you're actually getting use out

>>>>of it... the " 1/2 your body weight in water per day " comes from the

>>>>fact that we're only getting probably 1/4th the amount depending on the

>>>>water...it isn't necessary if you're getting the right type of water.

>>>>You're body has to take alot of energy to recluster that junky water ...

>>>>

>>>>I'm focused on intracellular hydration (inside the cells), NOT

>>>>exracellular (between cells) per se.

>>>>

>>>>If buying bottled water is a problem and you know of a better true water

>>>>cluster system which is stable and reasonably priced, I'm open but I

>>>>have to tell you, I haven't found any yet. Hope this is helpful.

>>>>

>>>>Oh, by the way, we have now put together a ozone-far infrared sauna

>>>>package with the world's smallest oxygen

>>>>concentrator so you dont' need tank oxygen anymore...97% is fine for

>>>>sauna use with a good ozone generator. It's on

>>>>our website or feel free to call the office at 909-338-3533. I'm in

>>>>process of opening a Day Spa/Wellness Center here

>>>>in So.Calif. and we'll make the therapy available for those who don't

>>>>want to buy a system themselves.

>>>>

>>>>God's Richest Blessings & Peace and Prosperity ...

>>>>

>>>>Carolyn Bormann, N.D.,C.M.H.T.

>>>>U.S. Admin./Case Coordinator

>>>>Europa Institute of Integrated Medicine

>>>>Tijuana, BC Mexico

>>>> & Owner, Arrowhead Healthworks

>>>>Crestline, CA

>>>>http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com/

>>>>************************************

>>>>Tom Harrelson wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>Anyone use structured water in a significant quantity (more than 16

>>>>>oz/day)? There's a company that makes Penta water which I've heard

>>>>>good comments about. If so what was your experience? I am thinking

>>>>>about buying a machine that, apparently, makes hexagonal water but

>>>>>it's $500 so it better be good. It's supposed to hydrate about 10

>>>>>times as well as regular water and increase assimilation of nutrients

>>>>>and transport of wastes in cells.

>>>>>

>>>>>Thanks for your input,

>>>>>

>>>>> Ladendorf

>>>>>

>>>>><SNIP>

>>>>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>>>>>Hi ! I've NOT drunk HIGH Amounts of Penta Water, so I can't

>>>>>answer you. I did post some Information about a month ago on

>>>>>Primordial " M " Water, which I've NOT drunk yet at all. Dr.

>>>>>Wheeler (see below) claims that his Primordial " M " Water is BETTER

>>>>>than Penta Water.

>>>>>

>>>>>http://www.0disease.com/0penta.html

>>>>>

>>>>> " THANKS " for your post!

>>>>>

>>>>>Tom/Psa. 139:13, 14.

>>>>>

>>>>>OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

>>>>>

>>>other alternative self-help subjects.

>>>

>>>>>THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>>>>>

>>>>>This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here

>>>>>

>>>are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

>>>information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at

>>>

>your

>

>>>own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability

>>>

>to

>

>>>take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree

>>>

>to

>

>>>hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found

>>>here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a

>>>

>researcher

>

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June 25, 2004

Hi Carolyn, This is interesting information. My daughter in law has

three Hot Houses, which, as you know, form a whole body FAR infrared

treatment similar to yours. She also has a steam ozone

sauna from Saul. She does FAR infra red and then does the ozone sauna

and she has not had any

ozone rash. I wonder if you are finding this with your FIR/Ozone

combo. Are people less inclined

to get a rash with your set up than you have seen with ozone and steam?

It makes sense to me that the FIR would be so healing to the tissues and

so helpful in removing toxins that the ozone would not cause as much of

a rucous as it does with steam, without FIR. And I am wondering if you

have seen this to be true.

How much is your unit? I forgot.

Thanks

Donna

http://www.excellentthings.com

Carolyn Bormann wrote:

>In regards to steam ozone sauna, we've owned all of the models at our TJ

>clinic and they're OK (messy and the resins holding the fiberglass tend

>to delaminate over time...) but I want to give our patients the benefit

>of deeper organ treatment and ejection of toxic fat-soluable toxins at

>the core of so many illnesses...therefore using the ozone combined with

>the FIR energy is ideal in my opinion

>

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