Re: - Mercury in Vaccines - June 6-8, Atlanta

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This ia a very intresting article on the vaccines. When was Thimerosal taken out of vaccines?"murfete@..." <murfete@...> wrote: Thimerosal was only taken out of immunizations a couple of years ago BECAUSE parents started asking questions about a link between autism and immunizations. They started asking because they noticed a correlation in the time table of their children getting their vaccines and the onset of symptoms. Also, the vaccines that where already in doctors offices where NOT

recalled. They were used and then replaced with thimerosal free vaccines. Theoretically, some doctor somewhere could still have vaccine with it if they ordered in bulk. So, you should still ask and ask to see the vial before they inject your child. They usually bring the vial into the exam room with them, anyway, so it isn't or shouldn't be any additional trouble for them to let you see the vial. At about the same time they took thimerosal out of the vaccines, the CDC came out with a study that said there was no link between autism and vaccines. This was a government study done by the CDC and the drug companies jointly and is usually sited as the "definitive" study on the subject. I, personally, don't believe the study, the government or the drug companies. Solely because they have a vested interest in there not being any link. This is not a study done by independent, disinterested parties as it should have

been. The massive lawsuits a link would cause could bankrupt the drug companies and gives them plenty of motive not to find a link. The government has been protecting the drug companies from just such a thing for years. The government also has a interest in keeping a link quiet not only because they have, for years, required vaccines for admittance to public school which also exposes the federal and state governments across the country to the threat of massive lawsuits but because the FDA has said for years it was safe without these studies having already been done. The current administration went so far as to add a provision to the Patriot Act that restricts suing the drug companies specifically over vaccines. They are also still trying to limit the amount of damages someone can be awarded in medical lawsuits to 500,000 dollars instead of the multi-million dollar awards we have seen in recent years. If there really is no link why

was this needed? Also, why did the drug companies almost immediately after concluding the study remove Thimerosal from vaccines given here in the USA, even though as a preservative it is much cheaper than what they are now using? They had just proved it's "safety", so why take that step? Have you ever heard of a company, any company, voluntarily reducing their profits before? For a reason they had "proven" did not exsist? Medical experimentation on newborns is not allowed in this country, so I don't know how they "studied" the effects of thimerosaol on the newborn brain since there are MAJOR structural differences between a newborn brain and an adult brain. For instance, my son with AS received his first shot, for hep C, when he was less than 24 hours old. The blood-brain barrier isn't working at that point and doesn't for a couple of months after birth, so whatever is in the blood goes directly to the brain

with nothing to stop it, which isn't the case in adults. Also, babies brains are still growing. Brain cells still divide and reproduce until the age of two to three years old. Brain cells in adults don't divide or reproduce. Babies today get up to three sets of shots before the blood -brain barrier is even in place to protect them. Also, there have been studies that say if a child is on an antibiotic it inhibits the body's natural ability to remove mercury from the body. Thimerosal is mercury. My son in particular was on antibiotics for most of his first two years due to ear infections, but was given all his vaccines on time weather or not he was on antibiotics. IF only my son's pediatrician and I had known then what we both know now! We are also still exporting to other countries vaccines containing thimerosal solely because it is cheaper. IF it isn't any good for our kids why is it okay for someone else's kids?

Because our taxes won't have to pay for all the treatment in the end? Most of these kids are in undeveloped countries and won't ever be able to get any treatment, and who would notice if they needed treatment anyway?Some of the countries we are selling these vaccines to don't even have public schools to facilitate screening. Why do we treat other peoples kids as if they are worth less than our own? Their mothers love them the same way we love our kids. They want the same things for them. They have the same dreams. They just don't have the same money. A soul is a soul no matter what package it is wrapped in, a mind is a mind and damage is damage. This is a VERY controversial subject and I personally don't believe there to be ANY conclusive evidence either way and that ,given the current set of circumstances, there won't BE any conclusive evidence either way. Since Thimerosal is no longer in vaccines in the USA the

government will not pay for further studies and it is in their best interests to leave the subject up in the air and stand by the conclusions they already have made that thimerosal is safe. My guess is that in the next few years we will see a reduction in the number of cases of autism spectrum disorders and that will be the only way we will know if Thimerosal played a role in the sharp increase in the first place. For parents I would tell them Safe is better than sorry. Ask questions it can't hurt! Don't assume anything. The only stupid question is the one that goes unasked. Research on your own and ask questions of your doctor before they do anything to your child. YOU are the advocate for your child. Doctors are not GODS they are fallible and what we know about medicine changes, no one can know everything all the time. Annie <annie@...> wrote: http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimfaq.htm#q6No childhood vaccines manufactured in this country for use in this country contain thimerosal. With the exception of the influenza vaccine which is not a required immunization but an optional one.A useful table of Thimerosal levels in vaccines in the U.S.:http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t1A comprehensive article:http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#actThese articles are the most comprehensive on the investigation of any causal link between ethylmercury (Thimerosal) and autism, and on the presence of this

element in any vaccine in use in or manufactured in the U.S. They all agree that there is no proven causal link and that there is no longer Thimerosol in any vaccine (except the flu vaccine) manufactured or in use in the United States. And even the flu vaccine is available in a no-preservative form.I stand by my original statement.Annie, who loves ya annie@...-- I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate him. -- Booker T. Washington Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?Check out new cars at Autos. Ally

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>> Thimerosal was only taken out of immunizations a couple of years ago

>> BECAUSE parents started asking questions about a link between autism and

>> immunizations. They started asking because they noticed a correlation in

>> the time table of their children getting their vaccines and the onset of

>> symptoms.<<

The first rule of statistics is that correlations are not causations.

And if you look into the symptoms of mercury poisoning (which we have

excellent data on because of Minimata - but also google Pink's disease), as

I have, you will see that they bear no resemblance to the core deficits of

ASD - the triad of 'impairments' in social understanding, social

communication and social imagination.

Now it is perfectly possible for a child to have both ASD and mercury

poisoning, but having looked into it closely I am confident that mercury

does not cause ASD.

in England

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My daughter had a seizure a few hours after she had her DTAP 15 month shot. After that she stopped talking and her motor skills began to decline. Now she is 3 1/2 and is very delayed in speech and launguage. Also Ishe is not potty trained.My son also had a seizure after shot and showed different signs of delays. Rowell <nancy@...> wrote: >> Thimerosal was only taken out of immunizations a couple of years ago >> BECAUSE parents started asking questions about a

link between autism and >> immunizations. They started asking because they noticed a correlation in >> the time table of their children getting their vaccines and the onset of >> symptoms.<<The first rule of statistics is that correlations are not causations.And if you look into the symptoms of mercury poisoning (which we have excellent data on because of Minimata - but also google Pink's disease), as I have, you will see that they bear no resemblance to the core deficits of ASD - the triad of 'impairments' in social understanding, social communication and social imagination.Now it is perfectly possible for a child to have both ASD and mercury poisoning, but having looked into it closely I am confident that mercury does not cause ASD. in England Ally

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I tend to agree with that statement, , until they PROVE it otherwise.

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On 4/17/07, Rowell <nancy@...> wrote:

>> Thimerosal was only taken out of immunizations a couple of years ago >> BECAUSE parents started asking questions about a link between autism and >> immunizations. They started asking because they noticed a correlation in >> the time table of their children getting their vaccines and the onset of >> symptoms.<<The first rule of statistics is that correlations are not causations.And if you look into the symptoms of mercury poisoning (which we have excellent data on because of Minimata - but also google Pink's disease), as I have, you will see that they bear no resemblance to the core deficits of ASD - the triad of 'impairments' in social understanding, social communication and social imagination.Now it is perfectly possible for a child to have both ASD and mercury poisoning, but having looked into it closely I am confident that mercury does not cause ASD.

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Actually there is a reduction of new cases of autism in California

which coincides with the timing of their ban on mercury (in other

states, it was only a recommendation to remove mercury while CA is

the only state that has banned it). No other state has had a

decrease as far as I am aware.

Please be aware however that most companies have replaced mercury

with aluminum. Many believe this is almost as bad.

As for the government cover-up possibility, don't forget the possible

impact if it was proven that thimerisol causes autism

internationally. Countries where we have been sending vaccines to

have had an increase in autism. What a political disaster for other

countries to find that we have been poisoning them while pretending

to help them. (I'm not saying we are pretending but how they may

take it).

Lastly consider the Amish. They do not believe in vaccinating.

Autism is almost non-existant. From what I have read, the only cases

of autism in the amish community are those that were adopted and had

been vaccinated prior. Makes one think.

I do not believe vaccines are 100% to blame for autism. I believe it

is a combination of genes, vaccines, anti-biotic overuse and other

environmental exposures. It is the accumulation that is to blame,

not one single incident. Vaccines play a major role though.

> http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimfaq.htm#q6

>

> No childhood vaccines manufactured in this country for use in this

> country contain thimerosal. With the exception of the influenza

vaccine

> which is not a required immunization but an optional one.

>

> A useful table of Thimerosal levels in vaccines in the U.S.:

>

> http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t1

>

> A comprehensive article:

>

> http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#act

>

> These articles are the most comprehensive on the investigation of

any

> causal link between ethylmercury (Thimerosal) and autism, and on

the

> presence of this element in any vaccine in use in or manufactured

in the

> U.S. They all agree that there is no proven causal link and that

there

> is no longer Thimerosol in any vaccine (except the flu vaccine)

> manufactured or in use in the United States. And even the flu

vaccine

> is available in a no-preservative form.

>

> I stand by my original statement.

>

> Annie, who loves ya annie@...

> --

> I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me

hate

> him. -- Booker T. Washington

>

>

>

>

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you know what please just drop it . not everyone believes vaccines or mercury causes autism not all agree it doesnt .we all are allowed our opinions.she posted an article she thought was interesting about the mercury and so forth . then some people here started attacking her on what she posted . my kids were all vacinated only 2 have hfa and mr my kids never regressed after a vaccination my kids just went to a point and stopped they go more and stop again .they do not regress . i cant blame mine on mercury or vacines or what i have no clue what caused it.if someone wants to post soemthing whether it be a thought or seekign advice respect them to send a message like this is in my OPINION rude she was only backing up what she worte with documentation written words .that she agrees with , & you may not .you need to respect that.i notice a few on here like to attack what people write and hell u may even

attack what i write but just stop. what we should be paying attention to is helping each other through our lives being a support to one another for we all have one thing in common children or loved one with an ASD NO MATTER HOW THEY GOT IT . SO AS A FAVOR FROM ONE MOM TO MANY OTHERS PLEASE LET US STOP WITH THE CONSTANT ARGUMENTS ABOUT WHETHER VACCINES CUZ AUTISM MAYBE IT DOENS MAYBE IT DONT JUST REMEMBER NOT ALL THE MOTHERS HERE HAVE KIDS WITH AUTISM CAUSED BY VACCINES . I HAVE 2 KIDS AND NO CLUE WHERE IT CAME IN THE PICTURE. SO PLEASE LETS JUST BE THERE FOR EACH OTHER LIKE THE NAME SAYS

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Re: Re: - Mercury in Vaccines - June 6-8, Atlanta

So Annie, all of us who watched in horror as our children regressed after vaccination, are ...? What? If you 'love' someone, you listen. You respect their experience.

Francine

In a message dated 4/16/2007 1:13:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, annie@... writes:

http://www.fda. gov/cber/ vaccine/thimfaq. htm#q6No childhood vaccines manufactured in this country for use in this country contain thimerosal. With the exception of the influenza vaccine which is not a required immunization but an optional one.A useful table of Thimerosal levels in vaccines in the U.S.:http://www.fda. gov/cber/ vaccine/thimeros al.htm#t1A comprehensive article:http://www.fda. gov/cber/ vaccine/thimeros al.htm#actThese articles are the most comprehensive on the

investigation of any causal link between ethylmercury (Thimerosal) and autism, and on the presence of this element in any vaccine in use in or manufactured in the U.S. They all agree that there is no proven causal link and that there is no longer Thimerosol in any vaccine (except the flu vaccine) manufactured or in use in the United States. And even the flu vaccine is available in a no-preservative form.I stand by my original statement.Annie, who loves ya annie@...-- I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate him. -- Booker T. Washington

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u can have a seizure from shots and that everyone reacts differently to shots some kids and adults cannot have the vaccines cuz of medical conditions. now the sizure can bring on other things and could of played a role in the delay whixh make the chot indirectly responsible. like i have posted previously the arguments need to stop everyone has beliefs that differ agree to disagree has any one thought maybe you all are right maybe it has caused soem but not all . lets lay this to rest please and just be here to give one another support while we walk the same life path with autism spectrum disorders.

Re: Re: - Mercury in Vaccines - June 6-8, Atlanta

My daughter had a seizure a few hours after she had her DTAP 15 month shot. After that she stopped talking and her motor skills began to decline. Now she is 3 1/2 and is very delayed in speech and launguage. Also Ishe is not potty trained.My son also had a seizure after shot and showed different signs of delays. Rowell <nancyrowellfamily (DOT) plus.com> wrote:

>> Thimerosal was only taken out of immunizations a couple of years ago >> BECAUSE parents started asking questions about a link between autism and >> immunizations. They started asking because they noticed a correlation in >> the time table of their children getting their vaccines and the onset of >> symptoms.<<The first rule of statistics is that correlations are not causations.And if you look into the symptoms of mercury poisoning (which we have excellent data on because of Minimata - but also google Pink's disease), as I have, you will see that they bear no resemblance to the core deficits of ASD - the triad of 'impairments' in social understanding, social communication and social imagination.Now it is perfectly possible for a child to have both ASD and mercury poisoning, but having looked into it closely I am confident that mercury does not cause

ASD. in England

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I had made mentuion of that awhile ago.But have noticed most that reply will knock you down always a comeback then another .And with each post they get ruder and ruder .I am quite frankly tired of it, I got on to find support for my kids and I, maybe hear suggestions in things I am having difficulties in ,but it seems more and more lately it is a soap box and the ones doing the preaching cannot fathom that they may be wrong or that they me be somewhat right but not completely right.It is like they have to one up the other .stubborn to the fact that others have beliefs that may differ from theirs.some will coem across as over bearing and superior sounding.it is a useless battle for no matter what a person thinks you have to look at all posibilities cause there is a rise and not all from vaccines.Do vaccines cause autism NO. can vaccines affect a child who already has a weakened immune or a suseptabilty to

autism YES. I believe it has with some kids.

Re: Re: - Mercury in Vaccines - June 6-8, Atlanta

I think the most logical thing to look at is the fact that Autism has been around far longer than vaccines. Yes, environmental factors MAY be a reason for the increase in Autism, but the vaccine theory simply doesn't make sense. I think the connection comes from the fact that Autism is usually diagnosed between 1-3 years of age, which is also the timeframe that children are receiving the most vaccines. Something to think about.

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On 4/16/07, Annie <annie@...> wrote:

cubicmonica wrote:> > > How is it then in the last year, I have read accounts from half a dozen> parents in a couple autism lists about having their child get an> injection and moments later discovering it has thimerisol (which the > doctor swore it didn't have)? The fact is, kids are still getting> injected with thimerisol. It has been reduced but has never been> eliminated and never recalled.> > > First of all, what were the injections? Did they occur in this country? And how did thimerosal get into them, seeing as how it's been absent in the manufacture of injections in this country for many years now? It has indeed been eliminated. Look at my previous post, especially the URL to the vaccine/thimerosal table.Annie, who loves ya annie@...-- I

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sunrose101@... wrote:

>

>

> So Annie, all of us who watched in horror as our children regressed

> after vaccination, are ...? What? If you 'love' someone, you listen.

> You respect their experience.

>

> Francine

Autism usually becomes really noticeable around the same time as

vaccinations happen. But that doesn't mean that one has anything to do

with the other. And my experience, with a son who was autistic from

birth (and we recognized that something was going on with him then too),

who never had anything beyond the initial DPT (and that was after we

noticed he was a different baby), as a person who has done an exhaustive

amount of research in the past 27 years into the occurrence of autism

pre-vaccine availability ( Bronte and others of the 19th century

and before), is that vaccines and ethylmercury do not cause autism.

Ethylmercury is a different, though related, compound than

methylmercury. Methylmercury is what causes kwashiorkor, and mental

problems. Most respected researchers have come to the conclusion that

one cannot use the data (which is plentiful) concerning methylmercury to

predict the effects on humans from ethylmercury. Autism is genetic, as

reputable researchers now agree. The number of newly identified genes

involved increases almost monthly. While most researchers agree that

there is probably an invironmental factor involved in the onset of

autism, they also agree that this factor must encompass autistics of

earlier centuries than our own.

I can love you, BTW, and still disagree with you. Loving a person

doesn't mean holding the same opinion on everything that they do. I

sign my mail as I do for a couple of reasons: so that every person that

hears from me every day will at least be certain that there is at least

one person they know that holds them dear, and because every living

person on this little planet deserves love without strings.

Annie, who loves ya annie@...

--

Difficult times have helped me to understand better than before, how

infinitely rich and beautiful life is in every way, and that so many

things that one goes worrying about are of no importance whatsoever.

-- Isak Dinesen

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I have two friends with autistic kids that have never been

vaccinated. I have another friend that became autistic at the age of

8 - immediately following her MMR. Over the years I have heard story

after story from parents whose child was developing normally, had a

vaccine and within 2-3 days were a completely different child.

Coincidence? I don't think so.

I believe for some kids, vaccines was the single cause of autism

(though their body could have been set up prior and it was the straw

that broke the camel's back). For other kids, it was the slow

poisoning and accumulation of various metals in the environment that

causes a slow regression.

As for diagnosis, I believe the CDC says the average age of autism

diagnosis is 4-5 (right before starting school). When my son was

diagnosed at age 2, I had so many jealous parents say they wish the

could have gotten a diagnosis at such a young age. At the time it

was rare.

> > >

> > >

> > > How is it then in the last year, I have read accounts from half

a dozen

> > > parents in a couple autism lists about having their child get an

> > > injection and moments later discovering it has thimerisol

(which the

> > > doctor swore it didn't have)? The fact is, kids are still

getting

> > > injected with thimerisol. It has been reduced but has never been

> > > eliminated and never recalled.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > First of all, what were the injections? Did they occur in this

country?

> > And how did thimerosal get into them, seeing as how it's been

absent

> > in the manufacture of injections in this country for many years

now?

> >

> > It has indeed been eliminated. Look at my previous post,

especially the

> > URL to the vaccine/thimerosal table.

> >

> > Annie, who loves ya annie@... <annie%40rt66.com>

> > --

> > I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me

hate

> > him. -- Booker T. Washington

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Quote of the Day:

>

> " If you cry because the sun has gone out of your life, your tears

will

> prevent you from seeing the stars. "

> ~ Rabindranath Tagore

>

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Dear Annie,

You are more than welcome to your opinion. What I said -- mean -- is that by discounting everyone else's experience and being so sure that you are 'right', you are not being loving at all. You're simply insisting that you're right, a far from loving stance.

I remember writing a philosophy paper for my boyfriend, who was in college, on the philosopher Hume, who -- as I recall -- postulated that there was no cause and effect. Do you actually live that in your entire life?

Francine, who thinks that love includes respect and at least the faint possibility that one might be incorrect.

In a message dated 4/19/2007 1:21:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, annie@... writes:

sunrose101aol wrote:> > > So Annie, all of us who watched in horror as our children regressed > after vaccination, are ...? What? If you 'love' someone, you listen. > You respect their experience.> > FrancineAutism usually becomes really noticeable around the same time as vaccinations happen. But that doesn't mean that one has anything to do with the other. And my experience, with a son who was autistic from birth (and we recognized that something was going on with him then too), who never had anything beyond the initial DPT (and that was after we noticed he was a different baby), as a person who has done an exhaustive amount of research in the past 27 years into the occurrence of autism pre-vaccine availability ( Bronte and others of the 19th century and before), is that vaccines and ethylmercury do not cause autism. Ethylmercury is a different, though related, compound than methylmercury. Methylmercury is what causes kwashiorkor, and mental problems. Most respected researchers have come to the conclusion that one cannot use the data (which is plentiful) concerning methylmercury to predict the effects on humans from ethylmercury. Autism is genetic, as reputable researchers now agree. The number of newly identified genes involved increases almost monthly. While most researchers agree that there is probably an invironmental factor involved in the onset of autism, they also agree that this factor must encompass autistics of earlier centuries than our own.I can love you, BTW, and still disagree with you. Loving a person doesn't mean holding the same opinion on everything that they do. I sign my mail as I do for a couple of reasons: so that every person that hears from me every day will at least be certain that there is at least one person they know that holds them dear, and because every living person on this little planet deserves love without strings.Annie, who loves ya annie@...-- Difficult times have helped me to understand better than before, how infinitely rich and beautiful life is in every way, and that so many things that one goes worrying about are of no importance whatsoever.-- Isak Dinesen

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Sometimes when something has been repeated over and over it is

eventually believed as fact. For example, I have heard so many time

things quoted as Bible verses such as " God helps those who helps

themselves " but that is not in the Bible. Or how about the whole

concept of separation of church and state as being in the

constitution. It is not in the constitution or any amendments but

was in a letter lin wrote. Regardless, it has been

repeated so much it is recited as fact by teachers, politicians and

newscasters.

The only state that has a ban on thimerisol is California. All other

states, it was RECOMMENDED to be removed. Like with separation of

church and state, doctors will state that thimerisol is no longer

used and will truly believe it but they are wrong.

> >

> > http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimfaq.htm#q6

> >

> > No childhood vaccines manufactured in this country for use in this

> > country contain thimerosal. With the exception of the influenza

vaccine

> > which is not a required immunization but an optional one.

> >

> > A useful table of Thimerosal levels in vaccines in the U.S.:

> >

> > http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t1

> >

> > A comprehensive article:

> >

> > http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#act

> >

> > These articles are the most comprehensive on the investigation of

any

> > causal link between ethylmercury (Thimerosal) and autism, and on

the

> > presence of this element in any vaccine in use in or manufactured

in the

> > U.S. They all agree that there is no proven causal link and that

there

> > is no longer Thimerosol in any vaccine (except the flu vaccine)

> > manufactured or in use in the United States. And even the flu

vaccine

> > is available in a no-preservative form.

> >

> > I stand by my original statement.

> >

> > Annie, who loves ya annie@... <annie%40rt66.com>

> > --

> > I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me

hate

> > him. -- Booker T. Washington

> >

> >

> >

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Unfortunately, I watched my child lose all of her developmental skills after her last DPT - seriously one day she was find the next she wasn't able to use any language anymore or anything. Annie <annie@...> wrote: sunrose101aol wrote:> > > So Annie, all of us who watched in horror as our children regressed > after vaccination, are ...? What? If you 'love' someone, you listen. > You respect their

experience.> > FrancineAutism usually becomes really noticeable around the same time as vaccinations happen. But that doesn't mean that one has anything to do with the other. And my experience, with a son who was autistic from birth (and we recognized that something was going on with him then too), who never had anything beyond the initial DPT (and that was after we noticed he was a different baby), as a person who has done an exhaustive amount of research in the past 27 years into the occurrence of autism pre-vaccine availability ( Bronte and others of the 19th century and before), is that vaccines and ethylmercury do not cause autism. Ethylmercury is a different, though related, compound than methylmercury. Methylmercury is what causes kwashiorkor, and mental problems. Most respected researchers have come to the conclusion that one cannot use the data (which is plentiful) concerning methylmercury

to predict the effects on humans from ethylmercury. Autism is genetic, as reputable researchers now agree. The number of newly identified genes involved increases almost monthly. While most researchers agree that there is probably an invironmental factor involved in the onset of autism, they also agree that this factor must encompass autistics of earlier centuries than our own.I can love you, BTW, and still disagree with you. Loving a person doesn't mean holding the same opinion on everything that they do. I sign my mail as I do for a couple of reasons: so that every person that hears from me every day will at least be certain that there is at least one person they know that holds them dear, and because every living person on this little planet deserves love without strings.Annie, who loves ya annie@...-- Difficult times have helped me to understand better than

before, how infinitely rich and beautiful life is in every way, and that so many things that one goes worrying about are of no importance whatsoever.-- Isak DinesenThe number of dose related relationships are

linear and statistically significant." "You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant." Bill Weil, M.D., Liaison to the American Academy of Pediatrics ** REGARDING VACCINES.

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thank you for the loves ya part of your emails .it is so true that in this world people do not feel loved by any .it is a good gesture to make in this world of hate and lashing out .thanks Annie for the Annie who loves ya. vickie

Re: Re: - Mercury in Vaccines - June 6-8, Atlanta

sunrose101aol (DOT) com wrote:> > > So Annie, all of us who watched in horror as our children regressed > after vaccination, are ...? What? If you 'love' someone, you listen. > You respect their experience.> > FrancineAutism usually becomes really noticeable around the same time as vaccinations happen. But that doesn't mean that one has anything to do with the other. And my experience, with a son who was autistic from birth (and we recognized that something was going on with him then too), who never had anything beyond the initial DPT (and that was after we noticed he was a different baby), as a person who has done an exhaustive amount of research in the past 27 years into the occurrence of autism pre-vaccine availability ( Bronte and others of the 19th century and before), is that vaccines and ethylmercury do not

cause autism. Ethylmercury is a different, though related, compound than methylmercury. Methylmercury is what causes kwashiorkor, and mental problems. Most respected researchers have come to the conclusion that one cannot use the data (which is plentiful) concerning methylmercury to predict the effects on humans from ethylmercury. Autism is genetic, as reputable researchers now agree. The number of newly identified genes involved increases almost monthly. While most researchers agree that there is probably an invironmental factor involved in the onset of autism, they also agree that this factor must encompass autistics of earlier centuries than our own.I can love you, BTW, and still disagree with you. Loving a person doesn't mean holding the same opinion on everything that they do. I sign my mail as I do for a couple of reasons: so that every person that hears from me every day will at least be certain that there

is at least one person they know that holds them dear, and because every living person on this little planet deserves love without strings.Annie, who loves ya annie@...-- Difficult times have helped me to understand better than before, how infinitely rich and beautiful life is in every way, and that so many things that one goes worrying about are of no importance whatsoever.-- Isak Dinesen

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I agree with you, Annie....Love doesn't mean always agreeing. And once again, each and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Until there are facts to prove anything, that's all they are....opinions.

I am happy to be part of such a diverse and thinking group!

With blessings,

On 4/19/07, Annie <annie@...> wrote:

sunrose101@... wrote:> > > So Annie, all of us who watched in horror as our children regressed > after vaccination, are ...? What? If you 'love' someone, you listen. > You respect their experience.> > FrancineAutism usually becomes really noticeable around the same time as vaccinations happen. But that doesn't mean that one has anything to do with the other. And my experience, with a son who was autistic from birth (and we recognized that something was going on with him then too), who never had anything beyond the initial DPT (and that was after we noticed he was a different baby), as a person who has done an exhaustive amount of research in the past 27 years into the occurrence of autism pre-vaccine availability ( Bronte and others of the 19th century and before), is that vaccines and ethylmercury do not cause autism. Ethylmercury is a different, though related, compound than methylmercury. Methylmercury is what causes kwashiorkor, and mental problems. Most respected researchers have come to the conclusion that one cannot use the data (which is plentiful) concerning methylmercury to predict the effects on humans from ethylmercury. Autism is genetic, as reputable researchers now agree. The number of newly identified genes involved increases almost monthly. While most researchers agree that there is probably an invironmental factor involved in the onset of

autism, they also agree that this factor must encompass autistics of earlier centuries than our own.I can love you, BTW, and still disagree with you. Loving a person doesn't mean holding the same opinion on everything that they do. I sign my mail as I do for a couple of reasons: so that every person that hears from me every day will at least be certain that there is at least one person they know that holds them dear, and because every living person on this little planet deserves love without strings.Annie, who loves ya annie@...

-- Difficult times have helped me to understand better than before, how infinitely rich and beautiful life is in every way, and that so many things that one goes worrying about are of no importance whatsoever.

-- Isak Dinesen -- Quote of the Day:

" If you cry because the sun has gone out of your life, your tears will prevent you from seeing the stars. " ~ Rabindranath Tagore

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Actually, autism hasn't been around a lot longer than vaccines, and certainly not than mercury.

---- Original Message ----From: <ziggypop13gmail>Autism and Aspergers Treatment Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 1:54:06 PMSubject: Re: Re: - Mercury in Vaccines - June 6-8, Atlanta

I think the most logical thing to look at is the fact that Autism has been around far longer than vaccines. Yes, environmental factors MAY be a reason for the increase in Autism, but the vaccine theory simply doesn't make sense. I think the connection comes from the fact that Autism is usually diagnosed between 1-3 years of age, which is also the timeframe that children are receiving the most vaccines. Something to think about.

-

On 4/16/07, Annie <annie@...> wrote:

cubicmonica wrote:> > > How is it then in the last year, I have read accounts from half a dozen> parents in a couple autism lists about having their child get an> injection and moments later discovering it has thimerisol (which the > doctor swore it didn't have)? The fact is, kids are still getting> injected with thimerisol. It has been reduced but has never been> eliminated and never recalled.> > > First of all, what were the injections? Did they occur in this country? And how did thimerosal get into them, seeing as how it's been absent in the manufacture of injections in this country for many years now? It has indeed been eliminated. Look at my previous post, especially the URL to the vaccine/thimerosal table.Annie, who loves ya annie@...-- I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate him. -- Booker T. Washington-- Quote of the Day:"If you cry because the sun has gone out of your life, your tears will prevent you from seeing the stars." ~ Rabindranath Tagore

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My son too…all happened overnight….

From: Autism and Aspergers Treatment [mailto:Autism and Aspergers Treatment ] On Behalf Of Jen

Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007

1:34 PM

Autism and Aspergers Treatment

Subject: Re:

Re: - Mercury in Vaccines - June 6-8, Atlanta

Unfortunately, I watched my child lose all of her developmental skills

after her last DPT - seriously one day she was find the next she wasn't able to

use any language anymore or anything.

Annie

<annie@...> wrote:

sunrose101aol wrote:

>

>

> So Annie, all of us who watched in horror as our children regressed

> after vaccination, are ...? What? If you 'love' someone, you listen.

> You respect their experience.

>

> Francine

Autism usually becomes really noticeable around the same time as

vaccinations happen. But that doesn't mean that one has anything to do

with the other. And my experience, with a son who was autistic from

birth (and we recognized that something was going on with him then too),

who never had anything beyond the initial DPT (and that was after we

noticed he was a different baby), as a person who has done an exhaustive

amount of research in the past 27 years into the occurrence of autism

pre-vaccine availability ( Bronte and others of the 19th century

and before), is that vaccines and ethylmercury do not cause autism.

Ethylmercury is a different, though related, compound than

methylmercury. Methylmercury is what causes kwashiorkor, and mental

problems. Most respected researchers have come to the conclusion that

one cannot use the data (which is plentiful) concerning methylmercury to

predict the effects on humans from ethylmercury. Autism is genetic, as

reputable researchers now agree. The number of newly identified genes

involved increases almost monthly. While most researchers agree that

there is probably an invironmental factor involved in the onset of

autism, they also agree that this factor must encompass autistics of

earlier centuries than our own.

I can love you, BTW, and still disagree with you. Loving a person

doesn't mean holding the same opinion on everything that they do. I

sign my mail as I do for a couple of reasons: so that every person that

hears from me every day will at least be certain that there is at least

one person they know that holds them dear, and because every living

person on this little planet deserves love without strings.

Annie, who loves ya annie@...

--

Difficult times have helped me to understand better than before, how

infinitely rich and beautiful life is in every way, and that so many

things that one goes worrying about are of no importance whatsoever.

-- Isak Dinesen

The number of dose

related relationships are linear and statistically significant. "

" You can play with this all you

want. They are linear. They are statistically significant. "

Bill Weil, M.D.,

Liaison to the American

Academy of Pediatrics **

REGARDING

VACCINES.

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God bless us all. This is an incredible group of courageous parents.

In a message dated 4/20/2007 7:39:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, blayne@... writes:

My son too…all happened overnight….

From: Autism and Aspergers Treatment [mailto:Autism and Aspergers Treatment ] On Behalf Of JenSent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 1:34 PMAutism and Aspergers Treatment Subject: Re: Re: - Mercury in Vaccines - June 6-8, Atlanta

Unfortunately, I watched my child lose all of her developmental skills after her last DPT - seriously one day she was find the next she wasn't able to use any language anymore or anything.

Annie <annie@...> wrote:

sunrose101aol wrote:> > > So Annie, all of us who watched in horror as our children regressed > after vaccination, are ...? What? If you 'love' someone, you listen. > You respect their experience.> > FrancineAutism usually becomes really noticeable around the same time as vaccinations happen. But that doesn't mean that one has anything to do with the other. And my experience, with a son who was autistic from birth (and we recognized that something was going on with him then too), who never had anything beyond the initial DPT (and that was after we noticed he was a different baby), as a person who has done an exhaustive amount of research in the past 27 years into the occurrence of autism pre-vaccine availability ( Bronte and others of the 19th century and before), is that vaccines and ethylmercury do not cause autism. Ethylmercury is a different, though related, compound than methylmercury. Methylmercury is what causes kwashiorkor, and mental problems. Most respected researchers have come to the conclusion that one cannot use the data (which is plentiful) concerning methylmercury to predict the effects on humans from ethylmercury. Autism is genetic, as reputable researchers now agree. The number of newly identified genes involved increases almost monthly. While most researchers agree that there is probably an invironmental factor involved in the onset of autism, they also agree that this factor must encompass autistics of earlier centuries than our own.I can love you, BTW, and still disagree with you. Loving a person doesn't mean holding the same opinion on everything that they do. I sign my mail as I do for a couple of reasons: so that every person that hears from me every day will at least be certain that there is at least one person they know that holds them dear, and because every living person on this little planet deserves love without strings.Annie, who loves ya annie@...-- Difficult times have helped me to understand better than before, how infinitely rich and beautiful life is in every way, and that so many things that one goes worrying about are of no importance whatsoever.-- Isak Dinesen

The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant." "You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant." Bill Weil, M.D., Liaison to the American Academy of Pediatrics **

REGARDING VACCINES.

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I feel we all are open to other possibilities they are just saying do not look at just one.there maybe lots of factors even some we may not even thought of.she really wasnt discounting what others feel or think she was simply letting her opionion known and then backing up her opinion with articles .that is all.i notice you are now confronting them (nancy and annie ( as if you are right and they cannot be .and you are now signing ur posts similar to thiers in something I would take as a stick it to u kind of deal.we can all disagree , we can all agree ,we can even do something most in this world has yet to comprehend COMPROMISE .

Re: Re: - Mercury in Vaccines - June 6-8, Atlanta

Dear Annie,

You are more than welcome to your opinion. What I said -- mean -- is that by discounting everyone else's experience and being so sure that you are 'right', you are not being loving at all. You're simply insisting that you're right, a far from loving stance.

I remember writing a philosophy paper for my boyfriend, who was in college, on the philosopher Hume, who -- as I recall -- postulated that there was no cause and effect. Do you actually live that in your entire life?

Francine, who thinks that love includes respect and at least the faint possibility that one might be incorrect.

In a message dated 4/19/2007 1:21:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, annie@... writes:

sunrose101aol (DOT) com wrote:> > > So Annie, all of us who watched in horror as our children regressed > after vaccination, are ...? What? If you 'love' someone, you listen. > You respect their experience.> > FrancineAutism usually becomes really noticeable around the same time as vaccinations happen. But that doesn't mean that one has anything to do with the other. And my experience, with a son who was autistic from birth (and we recognized that something was going on with him then too), who never had anything beyond the initial DPT (and that was after we noticed he was a different baby), as a person who has done an exhaustive amount of research in the past 27 years into the occurrence of autism pre-vaccine availability ( Bronte and others of the 19th century and before), is that

vaccines and ethylmercury do not cause autism. Ethylmercury is a different, though related, compound than methylmercury. Methylmercury is what causes kwashiorkor, and mental problems. Most respected researchers have come to the conclusion that one cannot use the data (which is plentiful) concerning methylmercury to predict the effects on humans from ethylmercury. Autism is genetic, as reputable researchers now agree. The number of newly identified genes involved increases almost monthly. While most researchers agree that there is probably an invironmental factor involved in the onset of autism, they also agree that this factor must encompass autistics of earlier centuries than our own.I can love you, BTW, and still disagree with you. Loving a person doesn't mean holding the same opinion on everything that they do. I sign my mail as I do for a couple of reasons: so that every person that hears from me every day

will at least be certain that there is at least one person they know that holds them dear, and because every living person on this little planet deserves love without strings.Annie, who loves ya annie@...-- Difficult times have helped me to understand better than before, how infinitely rich and beautiful life is in every way, and that so many things that one goes worrying about are of no importance whatsoever.-- Isak Dinesen

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Over the years I have been wrong about a great many things. When I

embarked on this journey after my son was diagnosed, it didn't take

long for me to have others telling me about the GFCF diet. I thought

they were crazy. How could diet affect one's behaviors? I got so

tired of these diet lunatics having an answer for my every question

that I decided to put my son on the diet to prove them wrong. I was

proven wrong. Their continual hounding has resulted in the son's

quality of life improving greatly. I had no idea how much pain he

was in. I am extremely greatful they did not give up on me.

For this reason, I welcome different points of view. I read

everything and consider what is said. I look at all points logically

and make a decision based on the two sides. Unless a post is a

personal attack which most of the posts on this thread in my opinion

have not been, what is wrong with us all sharing our opinions and

honestly answering questions? A couple have been rude but most have

been sharing information, opinions and personal experiences. This is

the only way we learn. To me, I think it is wrong to read a post

that is flat out untrue (based on factual evidence or logic) and not

point it out. To allow someone to remain in the dark is unloving.

I'm sure glad for the times in my life that others did not allow me

to remain in the dark.

As I said before, vaccines is only one part of the equation. There

are many factors and there may be some that we have yet to uncover.

We don't all know the answers but the ones we know or highly suspect,

we should share in hopes that other kids do not suffer like ours do.

> >

> >

> > How is it then in the last year, I have read accounts from half a

dozen

> > parents in a couple autism lists about having their child get an

> > injection and moments later discovering it has thimerisol (which

the

> > doctor swore it didn't have)? The fact is, kids are still getting

> > injected with thimerisol. It has been reduced but has never been

> > eliminated and never recalled.

> >

> >

> >

> First of all, what were the injections? Did they occur in this

country?

> And how did thimerosal get into them, seeing as how it's been

absent

> in the manufacture of injections in this country for many years

now?

>

> It has indeed been eliminated. Look at my previous post, especially

the

> URL to the vaccine/thimerosal table.

>

> Annie, who loves ya annie@...

> --

> I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me

hate

> him. -- Booker T. Washington

>

>

>

>

>

> --

> Quote of the Day:

>

> " If you cry because the sun has gone out of your life, your tears

will prevent you from seeing the stars. "

> ~ Rabindranath Tagore

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Beth, It is so hurtful to hear people discounting what we have experienced stating that studies skewed to protect the government and the drug industry. I really really hurts. Yet the same people continue to point fingers (I am not speaking about this group here) that the increase of dx's in kids is every parents desire to medicate into submission - yet - those same dx's started in the 70s - wonder what i was that started there!? Although my husband, bless his male heart, actually allowed the doctors to give my 15 yo vaccinations - we have been watching her VERY closely - I am absolutely INFURIATED!!! I will NEVER again allow any of my children to be vaccinated. Since I do not/can not know for sure if it was the DPD or MMR or a cumulative toxicity from all the vaccinations. This really was a huge blow to my belief in the government that my husband has

spent 21 years guarding/protecting in the USN - along with being poked, prodded and subjected to highly experimental vaccines etc., Huggles from our Family to yours; Mom to 4 special kiddos Max (living in Indianapolis now), Molly 15 AS, BP (mild), PTSD etc., SaraCait 10 Preemie, Severe ADHD, Poss. Mood disorder, Hope - 6 Moderately autistic, GERD severe, Chronic kidney and bladder issues due to the GERD, Feeding Issues - GFCF diet.Beth Layne <blayne@...> wrote: My son too…all happened overnight…. From: Autism and Aspergers Treatment

[mailto:Autism and Aspergers Treatment ] On Behalf Of JenSent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 1:34 PMAutism and Aspergers Treatment Subject: Re: Re: - Mercury in Vaccines - June 6-8, Atlanta Unfortunately, I watched my child lose all of her developmental skills after her last DPT - seriously one day she was find the next she wasn't able to use any language anymore or

anything. Annie <annie@...> wrote: sunrose101aol wrote:> > > So Annie, all of us who watched in horror as our children regressed > after vaccination, are ...? What? If you 'love' someone, you listen. > You respect their experience.> > FrancineAutism usually becomes really noticeable around the same

time as vaccinations happen. But that doesn't mean that one has anything to do with the other. And my experience, with a son who was autistic from birth (and we recognized that something was going on with him then too), who never had anything beyond the initial DPT (and that was after we noticed he was a different baby), as a person who has done an exhaustive amount of research in the past 27 years into the occurrence of autism pre-vaccine availability ( Bronte and others of the 19th century and before), is that vaccines and ethylmercury do not cause autism. Ethylmercury is a different, though related, compound than methylmercury. Methylmercury is what causes kwashiorkor, and mental problems. Most respected researchers have come to the conclusion that one cannot use the data (which is plentiful) concerning methylmercury to predict the effects on humans from ethylmercury. Autism is genetic, as reputable

researchers now agree. The number of newly identified genes involved increases almost monthly. While most researchers agree that there is probably an invironmental factor involved in the onset of autism, they also agree that this factor must encompass autistics of earlier centuries than our own.I can love you, BTW, and still disagree with you. Loving a person doesn't mean holding the same opinion on everything that they do. I sign my mail as I do for a couple of reasons: so that every person that hears from me every day will at least be certain that there is at least one person they know that holds them dear, and because every living person on this little planet deserves love without strings.Annie, who loves ya annie@...-- Difficult times have helped me to understand better than before, how infinitely rich and beautiful life is in every way, and that so many

things that one goes worrying about are of no importance whatsoever.-- Isak Dinesen The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant." "You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant." Bill Weil, M.D., Liaison to the American Academy of Pediatrics ** REGARDING VACCINES. Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?Check out new cars at Autos. The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant." "You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant." Bill Weil, M.D., Liaison to the American Academy of Pediatrics ** REGARDING VACCINES.

Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out

new cars at Autos.

[Guest guest]

Beth, It is so hurtful to hear people discounting what we have experienced stating that studies skewed to protect the government and the drug industry. I really really hurts. Yet the same people continue to point fingers (I am not speaking about this group here) that the increase of dx's in kids is every parents desire to medicate into submission - yet - those same dx's started in the 70s - wonder what i was that started there!? Although my husband, bless his male heart, actually allowed the doctors to give my 15 yo vaccinations - we have been watching her VERY closely - I am absolutely INFURIATED!!! I will NEVER again allow any of my children to be vaccinated. Since I do not/can not know for sure if it was the DPD or MMR or a cumulative toxicity from all the vaccinations. This really was a huge blow to my belief in the government that my husband has

spent 21 years guarding/protecting in the USN - along with being poked, prodded and subjected to highly experimental vaccines etc., Huggles from our Family to yours; Mom to 4 special kiddos Max (living in Indianapolis now), Molly 15 AS, BP (mild), PTSD etc., SaraCait 10 Preemie, Severe ADHD, Poss. Mood disorder, Hope - 6 Moderately autistic, GERD severe, Chronic kidney and bladder issues due to the GERD, Feeding Issues - GFCF diet.Beth Layne <blayne@...> wrote: My son too…all happened overnight…. From: Autism and Aspergers Treatment

[mailto:Autism and Aspergers Treatment ] On Behalf Of JenSent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 1:34 PMAutism and Aspergers Treatment Subject: Re: Re: - Mercury in Vaccines - June 6-8, Atlanta Unfortunately, I watched my child lose all of her developmental skills after her last DPT - seriously one day she was find the next she wasn't able to use any language anymore or

anything. Annie <annie@...> wrote: sunrose101aol wrote:> > > So Annie, all of us who watched in horror as our children regressed > after vaccination, are ...? What? If you 'love' someone, you listen. > You respect their experience.> > FrancineAutism usually becomes really noticeable around the same

time as vaccinations happen. But that doesn't mean that one has anything to do with the other. And my experience, with a son who was autistic from birth (and we recognized that something was going on with him then too), who never had anything beyond the initial DPT (and that was after we noticed he was a different baby), as a person who has done an exhaustive amount of research in the past 27 years into the occurrence of autism pre-vaccine availability ( Bronte and others of the 19th century and before), is that vaccines and ethylmercury do not cause autism. Ethylmercury is a different, though related, compound than methylmercury. Methylmercury is what causes kwashiorkor, and mental problems. Most respected researchers have come to the conclusion that one cannot use the data (which is plentiful) concerning methylmercury to predict the effects on humans from ethylmercury. Autism is genetic, as reputable

researchers now agree. The number of newly identified genes involved increases almost monthly. While most researchers agree that there is probably an invironmental factor involved in the onset of autism, they also agree that this factor must encompass autistics of earlier centuries than our own.I can love you, BTW, and still disagree with you. Loving a person doesn't mean holding the same opinion on everything that they do. I sign my mail as I do for a couple of reasons: so that every person that hears from me every day will at least be certain that there is at least one person they know that holds them dear, and because every living person on this little planet deserves love without strings.Annie, who loves ya annie@...-- Difficult times have helped me to understand better than before, how infinitely rich and beautiful life is in every way, and that so many

things that one goes worrying about are of no importance whatsoever.-- Isak Dinesen The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant." "You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant." Bill Weil, M.D., Liaison to the American Academy of Pediatrics ** REGARDING VACCINES. Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?Check out new cars at Autos. The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant." "You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant." Bill Weil, M.D., Liaison to the American Academy of Pediatrics ** REGARDING VACCINES.

Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out

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[Guest guest]

I understand what you mean ,like if I thought a certain drug was the best thing for epilepsy and you know that it isn't an epilepsy medicine, yes point that out to me .You know something Ido not .Some of the posts I read I see no personal attack, but others they mention names and make it seem that they do not know anything . It is funny though sometimes both of them are right ,and have factual evidence( ,what they feel is factual evidence ,like one report from one place and the other has a report from another place).

Sharing ideas and beliefs is not bad ,it is the personal attacks and some of them are misconstrued attacks .But some are flat out attacks that is what I do not like .

I myself feel there is many factors involved ,some we may not even know about or might not even think to consider, (ex: ultrasounds,microwaves ,okay I am blond here the energy places cant think of the name lol, pollutants,or maybe even a combo reaction. My son had an allergic reaction once, but not from something new, it was the mixture of 2 things he normally uses but not at the same time ,then I ended up using it @ the same time ( it was a medicine and a skin lotion ) the Dr felt he reacted to a combo of them 2 things .So so many factors to be considered and or looked at . I honestly would love to know why or how my kids got it ,But I feel I will never find out ,So I settled in the reality that I wont know and I need to move on with our lives with what I do want to know like figuring out a way to get my son to sleep all night long, in his bed .When I put him to bed instead of having

to be in the same room with me..Finding away to get them to be able to do daily living skills with out the 50 prompts and being over top of them to do it .(son is 13 and cannot shower right he can get in the shower but take all the soap and shampoo out doesn't Wash his hair ,wipe him self ,clean all of him self) toileting issues for both of them ,my 11 yr old out of the blue will just start screaming out and hit himself and swear and sometimes with a tantrum and sometime for no reason .The 13 yr old non stop talks all day long over and over and over .You cannot get a word in edge wise .My oldest son (2 months shy of 16 ) gets upset cuz he cant talk to me unless the kids are asleep cuz we cannot talk to each other while they are up.all of this is what i would love to know about .ways to control it,stop it,cope with it. that is what i feel the group is for to support the parents on many things that is going on in their life. I do respond to some of the

mercury ones, if it is ref to my post or I did say stop posting cuz she was the one I saw as more of an attack on the other 2 women who posted than a statement on belief.

well anyhow sorry for the long response.And I apologize about my spelling or punctuation I suck at writing lol

vickie

Re: - Mercury in Vaccines - June 6-8, Atlanta

Over the years I have been wrong about a great many things. When I embarked on this journey after my son was diagnosed, it didn't take long for me to have others telling me about the GFCF diet. I thought they were crazy. How could diet affect one's behaviors? I got so tired of these diet lunatics having an answer for my every question that I decided to put my son on the diet to prove them wrong. I was proven wrong. Their continual hounding has resulted in the son's quality of life improving greatly. I had no idea how much pain he was in. I am extremely greatful they did not give up on me.For this reason, I welcome different points of view. I read everything and consider what is said. I look at all points logically and make a decision based on the two sides. Unless a post is a personal attack which most of the posts on this thread in my opinion have not been, what is wrong with us all sharing our opinions and

honestly answering questions? A couple have been rude but most have been sharing information, opinions and personal experiences. This is the only way we learn. To me, I think it is wrong to read a post that is flat out untrue (based on factual evidence or logic) and not point it out. To allow someone to remain in the dark is unloving. I'm sure glad for the times in my life that others did not allow me to remain in the dark.As I said before, vaccines is only one part of the equation. There are many factors and there may be some that we have yet to uncover. We don't all know the answers but the ones we know or highly suspect, we should share in hopes that other kids do not suffer like ours do.>

> > > > > How is it then in the last year, I have read accounts from half a dozen> > parents in a couple autism lists about having their child get an> > injection and moments later discovering it has thimerisol (which the > > doctor swore it didn't have)? The fact is, kids are still getting> > injected with thimerisol. It has been reduced but has never been> > eliminated and never recalled.> > > > > > > First of all, what were the injections? Did they occur in this country? > And how did thimerosal get into them, seeing as how it's been absent > in the manufacture of injections in this country for many years now? > > It has indeed been eliminated. Look at my previous post, especially the > URL to the vaccine/thimerosal table.> > Annie, who loves ya annie@...> -- > I will

permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate > him. -- Booker T. Washington> > > > > > -- > Quote of the Day:> > "If you cry because the sun has gone out of your life, your tears will prevent you from seeing the stars."> ~ Rabindranath Tagore > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __>

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This is amazing!!! This very logically says everything that I have been trying to say in a non confrontational manner - THANK YOU!!!! I actually just sent this to someone who used to be a good friend, but says that there is nothing wrong with Hope that a spanking wouldn't cure (obviously we are no longer friends).cwjohnson1 <cwjny@...> wrote: I just read this:"[Autism most likely] stems from early and repeated damage from toxic substances in our environment. Because of a genetically weak detoxification

system, babies who develop autism are more susceptible to toxins, even at low doses. The developing fetus is exposed to mercury through maternal amalgams, fish consumption, or thimerosal-containing injections (flu shots and Rho(D) immunoglobulin). Other placental toxins have a synergistic effect, causing neurological damage and immune dysregulation to the growing baby while it's still in the womb. On the day of birth, the newborns were given hepatitis B vaccine (with mercury, aluminum, and other additives), and exposed to anesthetics, inducing agents, pain medications, or antibiotics given to the mother during delivery. The baby's capacity to detoxify is minimal at best, so the toxins begin to accumulate in its small body. Over the course of the next six months, many immunizations with doses of thimerosal that far exceed safety limits for adults are given. And the baby is even exposed to toxins existing in formula or

breast milk.Thimerosal disrupts dendritic cells in the baby's immune system and interrupts methylation, leading to abnormal neurotransmitter function and decreased ability to form glutathione. To make matters worse, babies are given acetaminophen for pain and fever the day before and for several days after the immunizations, further depleting glutathione and leaving brain and gut cells even more liable to toxic injury. As these struggling babies confront other common exposures, autoimmune reactions are triggered and inflammation increases. Because the dendritic cells' function has been disrupted by thimerosal, they don't kill foreign invaders such as viruses and bacteria efficiently, leading to chronic ear infections and frequent upper respiratory tract infections. Repeated courses of antibiotics further injure the gut through the destruction of beneficial bacteria. Abnormal bacteria and yeast erode the gut lining and a leaky gut

ensues. Now the tiny body is flooded with new food antigens and harmful chemicals that previously weren't absorbed. The detoxification and immune systems are at the tipping point when the baby develops a viral illness or is given a live-virus vaccine. In fact, babies are exposed to three, sometimes four, live viruses at once; MMR and the chicken pox vaccine all contain viruses known to have immunosuppressive and neurological effects. This event can be more than a small body can handle—the brain is now injured and the child regresses into autism." (In this book: http://thoughtfulhouse.org/pr/jepson_book.htm)Chris--- In Autism and Aspergers Treatment , Annie <annie@...> wrote:>> http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimfaq.htm#q6> > No childhood vaccines manufactured in this country for use in this > country contain thimerosal. With the exception of the influenza vaccine > which is not a required immunization but an optional one.> > A useful table of Thimerosal levels in vaccines in the U.S.:> > http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t1> > A comprehensive article:> > http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#act> > > These articles are the most comprehensive on the investigation of any > causal link between ethylmercury (Thimerosal) and autism, and on the > presence of this element in any

vaccine in use in or manufactured in the > U.S. They all agree that there is no proven causal link and that there > is no longer Thimerosol in any vaccine (except the flu vaccine) > manufactured or in use in the United States. And even the flu vaccine > is available in a no-preservative form.> > I stand by my original statement.> > Annie, who loves ya annie@...> -- > I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate > him. -- Booker T. Washington>The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant." "You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant." Bill Weil, M.D., Liaison to the American Academy of Pediatrics ** REGARDING VACCINES.

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God my family is like that with the all they need is a good spanking lol leave it to others to tell u what you should do with YOUR child lol it is ashame you lost ur friend .maybe she will wise up.

Re: Re: - Mercury in Vaccines - June 6-8, Atlanta

This is amazing!!! This very logically says everything that I have been trying to say in a non confrontational manner - THANK YOU!!!! I actually just sent this to someone who used to be a good friend, but says that there is nothing wrong with Hope that a spanking wouldn't cure (obviously we are no longer friends).cwjohnson1 <cwjny@...> wrote:

I just read this:"[Autism most likely] stems from early and repeated damage from toxic substances in our environment. Because of a genetically weak detoxification system, babies who develop autism are more susceptible to toxins, even at low doses. The developing fetus is exposed to mercury through maternal amalgams, fish consumption, or thimerosal-containi ng injections (flu shots and Rho(D) immunoglobulin) . Other placental toxins have a synergistic effect, causing neurological damage and immune dysregulation to the growing baby while it's still in the womb. On the day of birth, the newborns were given hepatitis B vaccine (with mercury, aluminum, and other additives), and exposed to anesthetics, inducing agents, pain medications, or antibiotics given to the mother during delivery. The baby's capacity to detoxify is minimal at best, so the toxins begin to accumulate in its small body. Over the course of the next six months,

many immunizations with doses of thimerosal that far exceed safety limits for adults are given. And the baby is even exposed to toxins existing in formula or breast milk.Thimerosal disrupts dendritic cells in the baby's immune system and interrupts methylation, leading to abnormal neurotransmitter function and decreased ability to form glutathione. To make matters worse, babies are given acetaminophen for pain and fever the day before and for several days after the immunizations, further depleting glutathione and leaving brain and gut cells even more liable to toxic injury. As these struggling babies confront other common exposures, autoimmune reactions are triggered and inflammation increases. Because the dendritic cells' function has been disrupted by thimerosal, they don't kill foreign invaders such as viruses and bacteria efficiently, leading to chronic ear infections and frequent upper respiratory tract infections.

Repeated courses of antibiotics further injure the gut through the destruction of beneficial bacteria. Abnormal bacteria and yeast erode the gut lining and a leaky gut ensues. Now the tiny body is flooded with new food antigens and harmful chemicals that previously weren't absorbed. The detoxification and immune systems are at the tipping point when the baby develops a viral illness or is given a live-virus vaccine. In fact, babies are exposed to three, sometimes four, live viruses at once; MMR and the chicken pox vaccine all contain viruses known to have immunosuppressive and neurological effects. This event can be more than a small body can handleÍÕhe brain is now injured and the child regresses into autism." (In this book: http://thoughtfulho use.org/pr/ jepson_book. htm)Chris>> http://www.fda. gov/cber/ vaccine/thimfaq. htm#q6> > No childhood vaccines manufactured in this country for use in this > country contain thimerosal. With the exception of the influenza vaccine > which is not a required immunization but an optional one.> > A useful table of Thimerosal levels in vaccines in the U.S.:> > http://www.fda. gov/cber/ vaccine/thimeros al.htm#t1> > A comprehensive article:> > http://www.fda. gov/cber/ vaccine/thimeros al.htm#act>

> > These articles are the most comprehensive on the investigation of any > causal link between ethylmercury (Thimerosal) and autism, and on the > presence of this element in any vaccine in use in or manufactured in the > U.S. They all agree that there is no proven causal link and that there > is no longer Thimerosol in any vaccine (except the flu vaccine) > manufactured or in use in the United States. And even the flu vaccine > is available in a no-preservative form.> > I stand by my original statement.> > Annie, who loves ya annie@...> -- > I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate > him. -- Booker T. Washington>

The number of dose related relationships are linear and statistically significant. " "You can play with this all you want. They are linear. They are statistically significant. " Bill Weil, M.D., Liaison to the American Academy of Pediatrics **

REGARDING VACCINES.

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