Re: - Mercury in Vaccines - June 6-8, Atlanta

[Guest guest]

Jen wrote:

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Moms Against Mercury (MAM)

> &

> the Coalition for Mercury-Free Drugs (CoMeD)

> invite you to attend 2007's most historic event –

> The Simpsonwood Remembered Teach-In & Rally Against Mercury in

> Vaccines,

> Atlanta, GA

There is no mercury in vaccines. There hasn't been for quite some time.

Annie, who loves ya annie@...

--

I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate

him. -- Booker T. Washington

[Guest guest]

http://www.cdc.gov/od/science/iso/thimerosal.htm

??

Re: - Mercury in Vaccines - June 6-8, Atlanta

Jen wrote:

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Moms Against Mercury (MAM)

> &

> the Coalition for Mercury-Free Drugs (CoMeD)

> invite you to attend 2007's most historic event –

> The Simpsonwood Remembered Teach-In & Rally Against Mercury in

> Vaccines,

> Atlanta, GA

There is no mercury in vaccines. There hasn't been for quite some time.

Annie, who loves ya annie@...

--

I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate

him. -- Booker T. Washington

[Guest guest]

Actually mercury has only been banned from childhood vaccines in

California. No other state has followed suit yet. It was only

recommended that other states not use it. Not only that, in

California it is only banned from childhood vaccines. The flu shot

is not considered a childhood vaccine therefore I believe about 85%

of them on the market has mercury.

> >

> > --------------------------------------------------------------

----------

> > Moms Against Mercury (MAM)

> > &

> > the Coalition for Mercury-Free Drugs (CoMeD)

> > invite you to attend 2007's most historic event –

> > The Simpsonwood Remembered Teach-In & Rally Against Mercury in

> > Vaccines,

> > Atlanta, GA

>

> There is no mercury in vaccines. There hasn't been for quite some

time.

>

> Annie, who loves ya annie@...

>

> --

> I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me

hate

> him. -- Booker T. Washington

>

[Guest guest]

> Re: - Mercury in Vaccines - June 6-8,

> Atlanta

>

>

> Jen wrote:

>

>>

------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> Moms Against Mercury (MAM)

>> &

>> the Coalition for Mercury-Free Drugs (CoMeD)

>> invite you to attend 2007's most historic event –

>> The Simpsonwood Remembered Teach-In & Rally Against Mercury in

>> Vaccines,

>> Atlanta, GA

>

>

> There is no mercury in vaccines. There hasn't been for quite some

> time.

Then, wrote:

> http://www.cdc.gov/od/science/iso/thimerosal.htm

>

> ??

From that website:

" However, in July 1999, the Public Health Service (PHS) agencies, the

American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), and vaccine manufacturers agreed

that thimerosal should be reduced or eliminated in vaccines as a

precautionary measure.Today, with the exception of some Influenza (flu)

vaccines, none of the vaccines used in the U.S. to protect preschool

children against 12 infectious diseases contain thimerosal as a

preservative. "

Annie, who loves ya annie@...

--

I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate

him. -- Booker T. Washington

[Guest guest]

> Re: - Mercury in Vaccines - June 6-8,

> Atlanta

>

>

> Jen wrote:

>

>>

------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> Moms Against Mercury (MAM)

>> &

>> the Coalition for Mercury-Free Drugs (CoMeD)

>> invite you to attend 2007's most historic event –

>> The Simpsonwood Remembered Teach-In & Rally Against Mercury in

>> Vaccines,

>> Atlanta, GA

>

>

> There is no mercury in vaccines. There hasn't been for quite some

> time.

Then, wrote:

> http://www.cdc.gov/od/science/iso/thimerosal.htm

>

> ??

From that website:

" However, in July 1999, the Public Health Service (PHS) agencies, the

American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), and vaccine manufacturers agreed

that thimerosal should be reduced or eliminated in vaccines as a

precautionary measure.Today, with the exception of some Influenza (flu)

vaccines, none of the vaccines used in the U.S. to protect preschool

children against 12 infectious diseases contain thimerosal as a

preservative. "

Annie, who loves ya annie@...

--

I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate

him. -- Booker T. Washington

[Guest guest]

But they still use it in some flu vaccines, no?

:/

Re: - Mercury in Vaccines - June 6-8,

> Atlanta

>

>

> Jen wrote:

>

>>

------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> Moms Against Mercury (MAM)

>> &

>> the Coalition for Mercury-Free Drugs (CoMeD)

>> invite you to attend 2007's most historic event –

>> The Simpsonwood Remembered Teach-In & Rally Against Mercury in

>> Vaccines,

>> Atlanta, GA

>

>

> There is no mercury in vaccines. There hasn't been for quite some

> time.

Then, wrote:

> http://www.cdc.gov/od/science/iso/thimerosal.htm

>

> ??

From that website:

" However, in July 1999, the Public Health Service (PHS) agencies, the

American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), and vaccine manufacturers agreed

that thimerosal should be reduced or eliminated in vaccines as a

precautionary measure.Today, with the exception of some Influenza (flu)

vaccines, none of the vaccines used in the U.S. to protect preschool

children against 12 infectious diseases contain thimerosal as a

preservative. "

Annie, who loves ya annie@...

--

I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate

him. -- Booker T. Washington

[Guest guest]

How is it then in the last year, I have read accounts from half a dozen

parents in a couple autism lists about having their child get an

injection and moments later discovering it has thimerisol (which the

doctor swore it didn't have)? The fact is, kids are still getting

injected with thimerisol. It has been reduced but has never been

eliminated and never recalled.

> From that website:

>

> " However, in July 1999, the Public Health Service (PHS) agencies, the

> American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), and vaccine manufacturers

agreed

> that thimerosal should be reduced or eliminated in vaccines as a

> precautionary measure.Today, with the exception of some Influenza

(flu)

> vaccines, none of the vaccines used in the U.S. to protect preschool

> children against 12 infectious diseases contain thimerosal as a

> preservative. "

>

> Annie, who loves ya annie@...

[Guest guest]

I asked 's doctor for the flu mist instead of the shot so far

it is working.

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------------------------------

--

> ----------

> > > Moms Against Mercury (MAM)

> > > &

> > > the Coalition for Mercury-Free Drugs (CoMeD)

> > > invite you to attend 2007's most historic event –

> > > The Simpsonwood Remembered Teach-In & Rally Against Mercury

in

> > > Vaccines,

> > > Atlanta, GA

> >

> > There is no mercury in vaccines. There hasn't been for quite

some

> time.

> >

> > Annie, who loves ya annie@

> >

> > --

> > I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me

> hate

> > him. -- Booker T. Washington

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I asked 's doctor for the flu mist instead of the shot so far

it is working.

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------------------------------

--

> ----------

> > > Moms Against Mercury (MAM)

> > > &

> > > the Coalition for Mercury-Free Drugs (CoMeD)

> > > invite you to attend 2007's most historic event –

> > > The Simpsonwood Remembered Teach-In & Rally Against Mercury

in

> > > Vaccines,

> > > Atlanta, GA

> >

> > There is no mercury in vaccines. There hasn't been for quite

some

> time.

> >

> > Annie, who loves ya annie@

> >

> > --

> > I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me

> hate

> > him. -- Booker T. Washington

> >

>

[Guest guest]

So Annie, all of us who watched in horror as our children regressed after vaccination, are ...? What? If you 'love' someone, you listen. You respect their experience.

Francine

In a message dated 4/16/2007 1:13:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, annie@... writes:

http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimfaq.htm#q6No childhood vaccines manufactured in this country for use in this country contain thimerosal. With the exception of the influenza vaccine which is not a required immunization but an optional one.A useful table of Thimerosal levels in vaccines in the U.S.:http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t1A comprehensive article:http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#actThese articles are the most comprehensive on the investigation of any causal link between ethylmercury (Thimerosal) and autism, and on the presence of this element in any vaccine in use in or manufactured in the U.S. They all agree that there is no proven causal link and that there is no longer Thimerosol in any vaccine (except the flu vaccine) manufactured or in use in the United States. And even the flu vaccine is available in a no-preservative form.I stand by my original statement.Annie, who loves ya annie@...-- I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate him. -- Booker T. Washington

See what's free at AOL.com.

[Guest guest]

wrote:

> But they still use it in some flu vaccines, no?

>

> :/

Yes, but the flu vaccine is an optional one, not a required one. Also,

study after study has shown no causal relationship between the minute

amounts of thimerosol in the vaccine and autism. This is easily shown

in the autistics like my son who have never had the various vaccines,

either because their religion prohibited them or because they were older

when the vaccines were developed. Not to mention the autistics born in

the 19th century when there were none of the vaccines we have today.

In fact, most reputable researchers now believe autism to be either a

genetic disorder or a genetically based prediliction. And that while

there may indeed be environmental triggers involved, those triggers have

yet to be identified....but thimerosol is not one of them.

Annie, who loves ya annie@...

--

I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate

him. -- Booker T. Washington

[Guest guest]

http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimfaq.htm#q6

No childhood vaccines manufactured in this country for use in this

country contain thimerosal. With the exception of the influenza vaccine

which is not a required immunization but an optional one.

A useful table of Thimerosal levels in vaccines in the U.S.:

http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t1

A comprehensive article:

http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#act

These articles are the most comprehensive on the investigation of any

causal link between ethylmercury (Thimerosal) and autism, and on the

presence of this element in any vaccine in use in or manufactured in the

U.S. They all agree that there is no proven causal link and that there

is no longer Thimerosol in any vaccine (except the flu vaccine)

manufactured or in use in the United States. And even the flu vaccine

is available in a no-preservative form.

I stand by my original statement.

Annie, who loves ya annie@...

--

I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate

him. -- Booker T. Washington

[Guest guest]

cubicmonica wrote:

>

>

> How is it then in the last year, I have read accounts from half a dozen

> parents in a couple autism lists about having their child get an

> injection and moments later discovering it has thimerisol (which the

> doctor swore it didn't have)? The fact is, kids are still getting

> injected with thimerisol. It has been reduced but has never been

> eliminated and never recalled.

>

>

>

First of all, what were the injections? Did they occur in this country?

And how did thimerosal get into them, seeing as how it's been absent

in the manufacture of injections in this country for many years now?

It has indeed been eliminated. Look at my previous post, especially the

URL to the vaccine/thimerosal table.

Annie, who loves ya annie@...

--

I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate

him. -- Booker T. Washington

[Guest guest]

Most flu vaccines are still preserved with thimerosal. And last time I checked,

the tetanus

booster did too.

Chris

> >

> >

> > How is it then in the last year, I have read accounts from half a dozen

> > parents in a couple autism lists about having their child get an

> > injection and moments later discovering it has thimerisol (which the

> > doctor swore it didn't have)? The fact is, kids are still getting

> > injected with thimerisol. It has been reduced but has never been

> > eliminated and never recalled.

> >

> >

> >

> First of all, what were the injections? Did they occur in this country?

> And how did thimerosal get into them, seeing as how it's been absent

> in the manufacture of injections in this country for many years now?

>

> It has indeed been eliminated. Look at my previous post, especially the

> URL to the vaccine/thimerosal table.

>

> Annie, who loves ya annie@...

> --

> I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate

> him. -- Booker T. Washington

>

[Guest guest]

Most flu vaccines are still preserved with thimerosal. And last time I checked,

the tetanus

booster did too.

Chris

> >

> >

> > How is it then in the last year, I have read accounts from half a dozen

> > parents in a couple autism lists about having their child get an

> > injection and moments later discovering it has thimerisol (which the

> > doctor swore it didn't have)? The fact is, kids are still getting

> > injected with thimerisol. It has been reduced but has never been

> > eliminated and never recalled.

> >

> >

> >

> First of all, what were the injections? Did they occur in this country?

> And how did thimerosal get into them, seeing as how it's been absent

> in the manufacture of injections in this country for many years now?

>

> It has indeed been eliminated. Look at my previous post, especially the

> URL to the vaccine/thimerosal table.

>

> Annie, who loves ya annie@...

> --

> I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate

> him. -- Booker T. Washington

>

[Guest guest]

I think the most logical thing to look at is the fact that Autism has been around far longer than vaccines. Yes, environmental factors MAY be a reason for the increase in Autism, but the vaccine theory simply doesn't make sense. I think the connection comes from the fact that Autism is usually diagnosed between 1-3 years of age, which is also the timeframe that children are receiving the most vaccines. Something to think about.

-

On 4/16/07, Annie <annie@...> wrote:

cubicmonica wrote:> > > How is it then in the last year, I have read accounts from half a dozen> parents in a couple autism lists about having their child get an> injection and moments later discovering it has thimerisol (which the

> doctor swore it didn't have)? The fact is, kids are still getting> injected with thimerisol. It has been reduced but has never been> eliminated and never recalled.> > > First of all, what were the injections? Did they occur in this country? And how did thimerosal get into them, seeing as how it's been absent in the manufacture of injections in this country for many years now?

It has indeed been eliminated. Look at my previous post, especially the URL to the vaccine/thimerosal table.Annie, who loves ya

annie@...-- I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate him. -- Booker T. Washington -- Quote of the Day:

" If you cry because the sun has gone out of your life, your tears will prevent you from seeing the stars. " ~ Rabindranath Tagore

[Guest guest]

My kid's doctors push the flu vaccine just as much as the regular vaccines.

If a parent didn't know better they would think they were required too.

and we all know what doctors think about vaccines....they can do no

evil, of course. :/

Re: Re: - Mercury in Vaccines - June 6-8,

Atlanta

> cubicmonica wrote:

>>

>>

>> How is it then in the last year, I have read accounts from half a dozen

>> parents in a couple autism lists about having their child get an

>> injection and moments later discovering it has thimerisol (which the

>> doctor swore it didn't have)? The fact is, kids are still getting

>> injected with thimerisol. It has been reduced but has never been

>> eliminated and never recalled.

>>

>>

>>

> First of all, what were the injections? Did they occur in this country?

> And how did thimerosal get into them, seeing as how it's been absent

> in the manufacture of injections in this country for many years now?

>

> It has indeed been eliminated. Look at my previous post, especially the

> URL to the vaccine/thimerosal table.

>

> Annie, who loves ya annie@...

> --

> I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate

> him. -- Booker T. Washington

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My kid's doctors push the flu vaccine just as much as the regular vaccines.

If a parent didn't know better they would think they were required too.

and we all know what doctors think about vaccines....they can do no

evil, of course. :/

Re: Re: - Mercury in Vaccines - June 6-8,

Atlanta

> cubicmonica wrote:

>>

>>

>> How is it then in the last year, I have read accounts from half a dozen

>> parents in a couple autism lists about having their child get an

>> injection and moments later discovering it has thimerisol (which the

>> doctor swore it didn't have)? The fact is, kids are still getting

>> injected with thimerisol. It has been reduced but has never been

>> eliminated and never recalled.

>>

>>

>>

> First of all, what were the injections? Did they occur in this country?

> And how did thimerosal get into them, seeing as how it's been absent

> in the manufacture of injections in this country for many years now?

>

> It has indeed been eliminated. Look at my previous post, especially the

> URL to the vaccine/thimerosal table.

>

> Annie, who loves ya annie@...

> --

> I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate

> him. -- Booker T. Washington

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I just read this:

" [Autism most likely] stems from early and repeated damage from toxic

substances in

our environment. Because of a genetically weak detoxification system, babies who

develop

autism are more susceptible to toxins, even at low doses. The developing fetus

is exposed

to mercury through maternal amalgams, fish consumption, or thimerosal-containing

injections (flu shots and Rho(D) immunoglobulin). Other placental toxins have a

synergistic

effect, causing neurological damage and immune dysregulation to the growing baby

while

it's still in the womb. On the day of birth, the newborns were given hepatitis B

vaccine

(with mercury, aluminum, and other additives), and exposed to anesthetics,

inducing

agents, pain medications, or antibiotics given to the mother during delivery.

The baby's

capacity to detoxify is minimal at best, so the toxins begin to accumulate in

its small

body. Over the course of the next six months, many immunizations with doses of

thimerosal that far exceed safety limits for adults are given. And the baby is

even exposed

to toxins existing in formula or breast milk.

Thimerosal disrupts dendritic cells in the baby's immune system and

interrupts

methylation, leading to abnormal neurotransmitter function and decreased

ability to form

glutathione. To make matters worse, babies are given acetaminophen for pain and

fever

the day before and for several days after the immunizations, further depleting

glutathione

and leaving brain and gut cells even more liable to toxic injury.

As these struggling babies confront other common exposures, autoimmune

reactions

are triggered and inflammation increases. Because the dendritic cells' function

has been

disrupted by thimerosal, they don't kill foreign invaders such as viruses and

bacteria

efficiently, leading to chronic ear infections and frequent upper respiratory

tract infections.

Repeated courses of antibiotics further injure the gut through the destruction

of beneficial

bacteria. Abnormal bacteria and yeast erode the gut lining and a leaky gut

ensues.

Now the tiny body is flooded with new food antigens and harmful chemicals that

previously weren't absorbed. The detoxification and immune systems are at the

tipping

point when the baby develops a viral illness or is given a live-virus vaccine.

In fact, babies

are exposed to three, sometimes four, live viruses at once; MMR and the chicken

pox

vaccine all contain viruses known to have immunosuppressive and neurological

effects.

This event can be more than a small body can handle—the brain is now injured and

the

child regresses into autism. "

(In this book: http://thoughtfulhouse.org/pr/jepson_book.htm)

Chris

>

> http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimfaq.htm#q6

>

> No childhood vaccines manufactured in this country for use in this

> country contain thimerosal. With the exception of the influenza vaccine

> which is not a required immunization but an optional one.

>

> A useful table of Thimerosal levels in vaccines in the U.S.:

>

> http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t1

>

> A comprehensive article:

>

> http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#act

>

>

> These articles are the most comprehensive on the investigation of any

> causal link between ethylmercury (Thimerosal) and autism, and on the

> presence of this element in any vaccine in use in or manufactured in the

> U.S. They all agree that there is no proven causal link and that there

> is no longer Thimerosol in any vaccine (except the flu vaccine)

> manufactured or in use in the United States. And even the flu vaccine

> is available in a no-preservative form.

>

> I stand by my original statement.

>

> Annie, who loves ya annie@...

> --

> I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate

> him. -- Booker T. Washington

>

[Guest guest]

I just read this:

" [Autism most likely] stems from early and repeated damage from toxic

substances in

our environment. Because of a genetically weak detoxification system, babies who

develop

autism are more susceptible to toxins, even at low doses. The developing fetus

is exposed

to mercury through maternal amalgams, fish consumption, or thimerosal-containing

injections (flu shots and Rho(D) immunoglobulin). Other placental toxins have a

synergistic

effect, causing neurological damage and immune dysregulation to the growing baby

while

it's still in the womb. On the day of birth, the newborns were given hepatitis B

vaccine

(with mercury, aluminum, and other additives), and exposed to anesthetics,

inducing

agents, pain medications, or antibiotics given to the mother during delivery.

The baby's

capacity to detoxify is minimal at best, so the toxins begin to accumulate in

its small

body. Over the course of the next six months, many immunizations with doses of

thimerosal that far exceed safety limits for adults are given. And the baby is

even exposed

to toxins existing in formula or breast milk.

Thimerosal disrupts dendritic cells in the baby's immune system and

interrupts

methylation, leading to abnormal neurotransmitter function and decreased

ability to form

glutathione. To make matters worse, babies are given acetaminophen for pain and

fever

the day before and for several days after the immunizations, further depleting

glutathione

and leaving brain and gut cells even more liable to toxic injury.

As these struggling babies confront other common exposures, autoimmune

reactions

are triggered and inflammation increases. Because the dendritic cells' function

has been

disrupted by thimerosal, they don't kill foreign invaders such as viruses and

bacteria

efficiently, leading to chronic ear infections and frequent upper respiratory

tract infections.

Repeated courses of antibiotics further injure the gut through the destruction

of beneficial

bacteria. Abnormal bacteria and yeast erode the gut lining and a leaky gut

ensues.

Now the tiny body is flooded with new food antigens and harmful chemicals that

previously weren't absorbed. The detoxification and immune systems are at the

tipping

point when the baby develops a viral illness or is given a live-virus vaccine.

In fact, babies

are exposed to three, sometimes four, live viruses at once; MMR and the chicken

pox

vaccine all contain viruses known to have immunosuppressive and neurological

effects.

This event can be more than a small body can handle—the brain is now injured and

the

child regresses into autism. "

(In this book: http://thoughtfulhouse.org/pr/jepson_book.htm)

Chris

>

> http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimfaq.htm#q6

>

> No childhood vaccines manufactured in this country for use in this

> country contain thimerosal. With the exception of the influenza vaccine

> which is not a required immunization but an optional one.

>

> A useful table of Thimerosal levels in vaccines in the U.S.:

>

> http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t1

>

> A comprehensive article:

>

> http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#act

>

>

> These articles are the most comprehensive on the investigation of any

> causal link between ethylmercury (Thimerosal) and autism, and on the

> presence of this element in any vaccine in use in or manufactured in the

> U.S. They all agree that there is no proven causal link and that there

> is no longer Thimerosol in any vaccine (except the flu vaccine)

> manufactured or in use in the United States. And even the flu vaccine

> is available in a no-preservative form.

>

> I stand by my original statement.

>

> Annie, who loves ya annie@...

> --

> I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate

> him. -- Booker T. Washington

>

[Guest guest]

I read that about 95% of flu vaccines manufactured this year contain

mercury.

> > http://www.cdc.gov/od/science/iso/thimerosal.htm

> >

> > ??

> From that website:

>

> " However, in July 1999, the Public Health Service (PHS) agencies,

the

> American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), and vaccine manufacturers

agreed

> that thimerosal should be reduced or eliminated in vaccines as a

> precautionary measure.Today, with the exception of some Influenza

(flu)

> vaccines, none of the vaccines used in the U.S. to protect preschool

> children against 12 infectious diseases contain thimerosal as a

> preservative. "

>

> Annie, who loves ya annie@...

> --

> I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate

> him. -- Booker T. Washington

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In almost every case, it was a similar situation. The parent would

talk to the doctor stating she does not want the child to get any

vaccine that has thimerisol in it. The doctor will give a speech

about how thimerisol was banned years ago. The child would be

injected (DPT, hepatitis, you name it) and shortly after it was done,

the nurse or doctor would be looking at the vial in horror. How did

that get there? I was told this didn't have thimerisol? How long

has this been on our shelf? Why didn't I verify this sooner?

I myself had a similar situation a couple years ago but caught it

soon enough. My son's pediatrician was trying to talk me into

vaccinating my son and I told her I was concerned about thimerisol.

She said they had verified that none of the vaccines they use in

their practice contains thimerisol. I asked to see the vial insert

myself. There it was clear as day. She was speechless and tried to

act as if someone placed it on their shelf as a horrible prank.

> >

> >

> > How is it then in the last year, I have read accounts from half a

dozen

> > parents in a couple autism lists about having their child get an

> > injection and moments later discovering it has thimerisol (which

the

> > doctor swore it didn't have)? The fact is, kids are still getting

> > injected with thimerisol. It has been reduced but has never been

> > eliminated and never recalled.

> >

> >

> >

> First of all, what were the injections? Did they occur in this

country?

> And how did thimerosal get into them, seeing as how it's been

absent

> in the manufacture of injections in this country for many years now?

>

> It has indeed been eliminated. Look at my previous post,

especially the

> URL to the vaccine/thimerosal table.

>

> Annie, who loves ya annie@...

> --

> I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me

hate

> him. -- Booker T. Washington

>

[Guest guest]

No new manufactured vaccines have thimerosol, however, the doctors are still getting the stockpiled ones - thimerosol was used as a preservatives, and the projected date for all of those immunizations to be "gone" was 2009. Unfortunately, I didn't keep the urls for that information. I will say, that every time I have asked to see the manufacturers label on shots they wanted to give my kids - lo and behold there it was. Annie <annie@...> wrote: cubicmonica

wrote:> > > How is it then in the last year, I have read accounts from half a dozen> parents in a couple autism lists about having their child get an> injection and moments later discovering it has thimerisol (which the> doctor swore it didn't have)? The fact is, kids are still getting> injected with thimerisol. It has been reduced but has never been> eliminated and never recalled.> > > First of all, what were the injections? Did they occur in this country? And how did thimerosal get into them, seeing as how it's been absent in the manufacture of injections in this country for many years now?It has indeed been eliminated. Look at my previous post, especially the URL to the vaccine/thimerosal table.Annie, who loves ya annie@...-- I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate him. --

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Thimerosal was only taken out of immunizations a couple of years ago BECAUSE parents started asking questions about a link between autism and immunizations. They started asking because they noticed a correlation in the time table of their children getting their vaccines and the onset of symptoms. Also, the vaccines that where already in doctors offices where NOT recalled. They were used and then replaced with thimerosal free vaccines. Theoretically, some doctor somewhere could still have vaccine with it if they ordered in bulk. So, you should still ask and ask to see the vial before they inject your child. They usually bring the vial into the exam room with them, anyway, so it isn't or shouldn't be any additional trouble for them to let you see the vial. At about the same time they took thimerosal out of the vaccines, the CDC came out with a study that said there was no link between autism and

vaccines. This was a government study done by the CDC and the drug companies jointly and is usually sited as the "definitive" study on the subject. I, personally, don't believe the study, the government or the drug companies. Solely because they have a vested interest in there not being any link. This is not a study done by independent, disinterested parties as it should have been. The massive lawsuits a link would cause could bankrupt the drug companies and gives them plenty of motive not to find a link. The government has been protecting the drug companies from just such a thing for years. The government also has a interest in keeping a link quiet not only because they have, for years, required vaccines for admittance to public school which also exposes the federal and state governments across the country to the threat of massive lawsuits but because the FDA has said for years it was safe without these studies having already been

done. The current administration went so far as to add a provision to the Patriot Act that restricts suing the drug companies specifically over vaccines. They are also still trying to limit the amount of damages someone can be awarded in medical lawsuits to 500,000 dollars instead of the multi-million dollar awards we have seen in recent years. If there really is no link why was this needed? Also, why did the drug companies almost immediately after concluding the study remove Thimerosal from vaccines given here in the USA, even though as a preservative it is much cheaper than what they are now using? They had just proved it's "safety", so why take that step? Have you ever heard of a company, any company, voluntarily reducing their profits before? For a reason they had "proven" did not exsist? Medical experimentation on newborns is not allowed in this country, so I don't know how they "studied" the effects of thimerosaol on the

newborn brain since there are MAJOR structural differences between a newborn brain and an adult brain. For instance, my son with AS received his first shot, for hep C, when he was less than 24 hours old. The blood-brain barrier isn't working at that point and doesn't for a couple of months after birth, so whatever is in the blood goes directly to the brain with nothing to stop it, which isn't the case in adults. Also, babies brains are still growing. Brain cells still divide and reproduce until the age of two to three years old. Brain cells in adults don't divide or reproduce. Babies today get up to three sets of shots before the blood -brain barrier is even in place to protect them. Also, there have been studies that say if a child is on an antibiotic it inhibits the body's natural ability to remove mercury from the body. Thimerosal is mercury. My son in particular was on antibiotics for most of his first two years due to ear

infections, but was given all his vaccines on time weather or not he was on antibiotics. IF only my son's pediatrician and I had known then what we both know now! We are also still exporting to other countries vaccines containing thimerosal solely because it is cheaper. IF it isn't any good for our kids why is it okay for someone else's kids? Because our taxes won't have to pay for all the treatment in the end? Most of these kids are in undeveloped countries and won't ever be able to get any treatment, and who would notice if they needed treatment anyway?Some of the countries we are selling these vaccines to don't even have public schools to facilitate screening. Why do we treat other peoples kids as if they are worth less than our own? Their mothers love them the same way we love our kids. They want the same things for them. They have the same dreams. They just don't have the same money. A soul is a soul

no matter what package it is wrapped in, a mind is a mind and damage is damage. This is a VERY controversial subject and I personally don't believe there to be ANY conclusive evidence either way and that ,given the current set of circumstances, there won't BE any conclusive evidence either way. Since Thimerosal is no longer in vaccines in the USA the government will not pay for further studies and it is in their best interests to leave the subject up in the air and stand by the conclusions they already have made that thimerosal is safe. My guess is that in the next few years we will see a reduction in the number of cases of autism spectrum disorders and that will be the only way we will know if Thimerosal played a role in the sharp increase in the first place. For parents I would tell them Safe is better than sorry. Ask questions it can't hurt! Don't assume anything. The only stupid question is the one that

goes unasked. Research on your own and ask questions of your doctor before they do anything to your child. YOU are the advocate for your child. Doctors are not GODS they are fallible and what we know about medicine changes, no one can know everything all the time. Annie <annie@...> wrote: http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimfaq.htm#q6No childhood vaccines manufactured in this country for use

in this country contain thimerosal. With the exception of the influenza vaccine which is not a required immunization but an optional one.A useful table of Thimerosal levels in vaccines in the U.S.:http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t1A comprehensive article:http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#actThese articles are the most comprehensive on the investigation of any causal link between ethylmercury (Thimerosal) and autism, and on the presence of this element in any vaccine in use in or manufactured in the U.S. They all agree that there is no proven causal link and that there is no longer Thimerosol in any vaccine (except the flu vaccine) manufactured or in use in the United States. And even the flu vaccine is available in a

no-preservative form.I stand by my original statement.Annie, who loves ya annie@...-- I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate him. -- Booker T. Washington

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I am curious about one thing. You say that Thimerosal was just removed out of vaccines 2 years ago. Then why is there a huge increase in the numbers of children diagnosed with Autism? Most children are diagnosed by age 3. It seems if there were a true correlation, there would be a decrease.

You also say that the vaccines that were already in doctor's offices could still be in use. Don't they have an expiration date? I would presume they do.

Like you, I am sitting on the fence, for I feel that the evidence is not satisfactory in either direction. There are just too many factors....genetics, environmental, diet, etc. I feel that we should all put our energies into research to find the cause, rather than get stuck on one thing.

With hope,

On 4/17/07, murfete@... <murfete@...> wrote:

Thimerosal was only taken out of immunizations a couple of years ago BECAUSE parents started asking questions about a link between autism and immunizations. They started asking because they noticed a correlation in the time table of their children getting their vaccines and the onset of symptoms. Also, the vaccines that where already in doctors offices where NOT recalled. They were used and then replaced with thimerosal free vaccines. Theoretically, some doctor somewhere could still have vaccine with it if they ordered in bulk. So, you should still ask and ask to see the vial before they inject your child. They usually bring the vial into the exam room with them, anyway, so it isn't or shouldn't be any additional trouble for them to let you see the vial.

At about the same time they took thimerosal out of the vaccines, the CDC came out with a study that said there was no link between autism and vaccines. This was a government study done by the CDC and the drug companies jointly and is usually sited as the " definitive " study on the subject. I, personally, don't believe the study, the government or the drug companies. Solely because they have a vested interest in there not being any link. This is not a study done by independent, disinterested parties as it should have been. The massive lawsuits a link would cause could bankrupt the drug companies and gives them plenty of motive not to find a link. The government has been protecting the drug companies from just such a thing for years. The government also has a interest in keeping a link quiet not only because they have, for years, required vaccines for admittance to public school which also exposes the federal and state governments across the country to the threat of massive lawsuits but because the FDA has said for years it was safe without these studies having already been done. The current administration went so far as to add a provision to the Patriot Act that restricts suing the drug companies specifically over vaccines. They are also still trying to limit the amount of damages someone can be awarded in medical lawsuits to 500,000 dollars instead of the multi-million dollar awards we have seen in recent years. If there really is no link why was this needed? Also, why did the drug companies almost

immediately after concluding the study remove Thimerosal from vaccines given here in the USA, even though as a preservative it is much cheaper than what they are now using? They had just proved it's " safety " , so why take that step? Have you ever heard of a company, any company, voluntarily reducing their profits before? For a reason they had " proven " did not exsist? Medical experimentation on newborns is not allowed in this country, so I don't know how they " studied " the effects of thimerosaol on the newborn brain since there are MAJOR structural differences between a newborn brain and an adult brain. For instance, my son with AS received his first shot, for hep C, when he was less than 24 hours old. The blood-brain barrier isn't working at that point and doesn't for a couple of months after birth, so whatever is in the blood goes directly to the brain with nothing to stop it, which isn't the case in adults. Also, babies brains are still growing. Brain cells still divide and reproduce until the age of two to three years old. Brain cells in adults don't divide or reproduce. Babies today get up to three sets of shots before the blood -brain barrier is even in place to protect them. Also, there have been studies that say if a child is on an antibiotic it inhibits the body's natural ability to remove mercury from the body. Thimerosal is mercury. My son in particular was on antibiotics for most of his first two years due to ear infections, but was given all his vaccines on time weather or not he was on antibiotics. IF only my son's pediatrician and I had known then what we both know now!

We are also still exporting to other countries vaccines containing thimerosal solely because it is cheaper. IF it isn't any good for our kids why is it okay for someone else's kids? Because our taxes won't have to pay for all the treatment in the end? Most of these kids are in undeveloped countries and won't ever be able to get any treatment, and who would notice if they needed treatment anyway?Some of the countries we are selling these vaccines to don't even have public schools to facilitate screening. Why do we treat other peoples kids as if they are worth less than our own? Their mothers love them the same way we love our kids. They want the same things for them. They have the same dreams. They just don't have the same money. A soul is a soul no matter what package it is wrapped in, a mind is a mind and damage is damage.

This is a VERY controversial subject and I personally don't believe there to be ANY conclusive evidence either way and that ,given the current set of circumstances, there won't BE any conclusive evidence either way. Since Thimerosal is no longer in vaccines in the USA the government will not pay for further studies and it is in their best interests to leave the subject up in the air and stand by the conclusions they already have made that thimerosal is safe. My guess is that in the next few years we will see a reduction in the number of cases of autism spectrum disorders and that will be the only way we will know if Thimerosal played a role in the sharp increase in the first place.

For parents I would tell them Safe is better than sorry. Ask questions it can't hurt! Don't assume anything. The only stupid question is the one that goes unasked. Research on your own and ask questions of your doctor before they do anything to your child. YOU are the advocate for your child. Doctors are not GODS they are fallible and what we know about medicine changes, no one can know everything all the time.

Annie <annie@...> wrote:

http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimfaq.htm#q6No childhood vaccines manufactured in this country for use in this country contain thimerosal. With the exception of the influenza vaccine which is not a required immunization but an optional one.A useful table of Thimerosal levels in vaccines in the U.S.:

http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#t1A comprehensive article:

http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm#actThese articles are the most comprehensive on the investigation of any causal link between ethylmercury (Thimerosal) and autism, and on the presence of this element in any vaccine in use in or manufactured in the U.S. They all agree that there is no proven causal link and that there is no longer Thimerosol in any vaccine (except the flu vaccine) manufactured or in use in the United States. And even the flu vaccine

is available in a no-preservative form.I stand by my original statement.Annie, who loves ya annie@...

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