Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Ron, how about calming down and think this over. Dr Ozone can always start his own list. If he's got a technique that is superior to all others, let him come forth with it and start his own group. If he doesn't want to, why should you? Respectfully-- Jill > Sharon, > I am as skeptical as the next person, but we all have the right to make up > our own minds. This individual was not spamming, being rude or > confrontational. As a matter of fact I recall members asking him to explain > more. Now I know why, he was worried about being banned by Saul and now > Saul has taken away may ability to learn more. > > I think you are a bit out of line, though entitled to your opinion of > course, in speaking ill of this person without offering anything concrete. > How about the names of those groups he was banned from. How about further > details of his scam, hiding behind a " hazy memory " is bad form. > Ghee, now that I think about it I kind of recall myself hearing great > advances in ozone therapies from a " " somethingorother in India, but my > memory is a little hazy too. > > Also he never referred to himself as " Dr. " that was Carol cause she > obviously forgot when she was changing the subject line. What are some of > the other names he has gone by? > > Why are you surprised to see him join a list where Saul is a member? Do you > think it would be because Saul could discredit any of his theories, me too, > that is what I want to hear!!! The truth will become self evident, we our > not idiots, the truth has a certain ring to it. I don't want to be TOLD by > anyone what the truth is. I want to hear and see it for myself. > > And finally, you are going to knock Ed McCabe and call him a generalist, > that is rich! Ed McCabe's been involved in Ozone for over 15yrs., maybe > closer to 20, has talked to, seen and been involved in more ozone therapies > first hand and Saul, by his own emails admits to less than 10. > > Saul if this guy and his techniques are so bad news, discredit his theories > and be done with him. If you continue the ban I will contact all 900 > members and open a new group, even if it is just for a week or two, just to > listen to what he has to say or we can just go over to " Oxyplus Off- Topic " > to continue this. I have searched for two years to talk with someone who > has direct experience with this and you are not going to stop me from > finding out about a possible cure for my 9yr. daughter. Of course we will > not have your opinion on the " Oxyplus Off-Topic " group, that is why I'm > offering to have the discussion here. If your true interest is to help > people and keep them safe from dangerous techniques than you will discredit > him here. If you block this email I will forward it to all 900 members. > Ron > > > Saul's Decision > > > Due to my hazy memory on this topic, this man, , I'm going to state > that Saul is probably right on his handling of this newest list member. > > The only reason I'm chiming in at all is because I have seen this same > individual banned from other lists I was on in the past. > It's been a few years since I've seen this happen, and that's why I > can't be clear on the reasons why. > > However, I do recall that it had things to do with 'scam' and other > unfortunate behaviors that were associated with this Jovan. > This is the first time I've seen him refer to himself as " Dr Ozone " > however, though he used a variety of names on those other lists, never > fully identifying himself. > > My suspicions immediately flared with his first posting, because of the > history he brings with him. > I was very surprised to see him join a list where Saul is the moderator, > or even a member. > On this matter, I'm happy with Saul's judgement and I trust Saul's > expertise in the ozone field before anyone else. > Saul is a specialist, where even Ed McCabe is a generalist covering the > entire oxygen/ozone gamut. > > Just my 2 cents > > Sharon > > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other > alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are > for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing > information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your > own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to > take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to > hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found > here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher > or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following > address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the > message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Dear Ron, It is for exactly the reason that you state, that this man and his deceptive message have been banned from this list. " I have searched for two years ... and you are not going to stop me from finding out about a possible cure for my 9yr. daughter " Ron, the cure is right in front of you. You don't need to run off to India and spend $30,000 on pie in the sky. Scoundrels and conmen have always relied on naive persons of good intent to foist their schemes and cover their tracks. Don't fall into this trap. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Caveat emptor. If you want to continue to email Jovan, that is your prerogative. But it is not going to go through this list. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------- ----Original Message Follows---- From: " Ron Petruccione " <petruccione@...> Reply-oxyplus <oxyplus > Subject: RE: Saul's Decision Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:39:57 -0800 Sharon, I am as skeptical as the next person, but we all have the right to make up our own minds. This individual was not spamming, being rude or confrontational. As a matter of fact I recall members asking him to explain more. Now I know why, he was worried about being banned by Saul and now Saul has taken away may ability to learn more. I think you are a bit out of line, though entitled to your opinion of course, in speaking ill of this person without offering anything concrete. How about the names of those groups he was banned from. How about further details of his scam, hiding behind a " hazy memory " is bad form. Ghee, now that I think about it I kind of recall myself hearing great advances in ozone therapies from a " " somethingorother in India, but my memory is a little hazy too. Also he never referred to himself as " Dr. " that was Carol cause she obviously forgot when she was changing the subject line. What are some of the other names he has gone by? Why are you surprised to see him join a list where Saul is a member? Do you think it would be because Saul could discredit any of his theories, me too, that is what I want to hear!!! The truth will become self evident, we our not idiots, the truth has a certain ring to it. I don't want to be TOLD by anyone what the truth is. I want to hear and see it for myself. And finally, you are going to knock Ed McCabe and call him a generalist, that is rich! Ed McCabe's been involved in Ozone for over 15yrs., maybe closer to 20, has talked to, seen and been involved in more ozone therapies first hand and Saul, by his own emails admits to less than 10. Saul if this guy and his techniques are so bad news, discredit his theories and be done with him. If you continue the ban I will contact all 900 members and open a new group, even if it is just for a week or two, just to listen to what he has to say or we can just go over to " Oxyplus Off-Topic " to continue this. I have searched for two years to talk with someone who has direct experience with this and you are not going to stop me from finding out about a possible cure for my 9yr. daughter. Of course we will not have your opinion on the " Oxyplus Off-Topic " group, that is why I'm offering to have the discussion here. If your true interest is to help people and keep them safe from dangerous techniques than you will discredit him here. If you block this email I will forward it to all 900 members. Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 I agree totally with the first 2 sentences. However, the rest all depends on what circles we are in at what time. I would bet just about anything that there are circles fully supporting and everything he has ever said or done. Likewise, I'm equally convinced that if we wanted to find or create circles defaming Saul, that would be just easily accomplished. The nature of the human beast is reject whatever or whoever we disagree with ... clear up to the point where emotions take over and fully blow things out of proportion. Make no mistakes about it, there are bad guys and charlatans out there in the real-world .... and it is my responsibility to myself to look, discover and take care of myself. I can't tell where fact has turned to emotional fiction in someone else's words about a third party, so I want to see and hear the second party directly if I am to make any kind of judgment for myself. I personally find that daggers and accolades are usually pretty equal in distortion ... very few really bad guys, but lots of different guys, with different beliefs, in different situations. No disparaging intent regarding all the good (and a few bad) " gals " out there as well ;-) -----Original Message----- From: jhprice [mailto:jhprice@...] .... In the time I've been around, on and off for years, Saul has always been helpful, professional, courteous and patient I'm assuming Saul has good reason to do what he did. There are scoundrels out there who will take your money. If Saul is sounding the alarm, that should be good enough for the rest of us. So, Amen to the below statements by Saul. jp Dear Ron, Ron, the cure is right in front of you. You don't need to run off to India andspend $30,000 on pie in the sky. Scoundrels and conmen have always relied on naive persons of good intentto foist their schemes and cover their tracks. Don't fall into this trap. If itsounds too good to be true, it probably is. Caveat emptor. Best of Health! Dr. Saul Pressman --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 26-Nov-04 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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