Guest guest Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 According to our DAN doctor, there is no mercury in the MMR because it's a live vaccine, which is what makes it more of a problem because it is felt that it causes brain inflammation in those susceptible. There's nothing at all being disproven about shots and autism; too many of us having experienced the horror of regression. The 'genetic' suggestion doesn't hold much water with me though, , unless there is a genetic sport since the early 1990's when autism really began to proliferate. All the other suggestions besides the vaccinations seem to me to be red herrings thrown up by the pharmaceutical industry. I think the question to ask is (this may not be exact Latin!) "Qui bono?" i.e. Who benefits from thimerisol and the other stuff in vaccinations not causing autism? Francine In a message dated 2/25/2007 12:19:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, avianrights@... writes: On 2/23/07, Rowell <nancyrowellfamily (DOT) plus.com> wrote: >>My son is 4 and needs another set of booster shots. Is it the MMR thatpeople believe is linked to autism?<<That is pretty well disproven now. As I understand it, all that was really disproven was that the mercury in the shots *cause* autism. I saw an interview recently with a doctor who's heading up some Autism studies here in RI who claimed they are still looking into the link between immunizations and autism. He said they're actually looking into what I think may be the case, which is that there is a genetic susceptibility with an environmental trigger. The fact that so many children suddenly stop speaking and lose all their acquired language after getting the same shot (not everybody, but enough to raise plenty of red flags), is what I feel is a strong possibility of being that environmental trigger. Just my two cents for you! AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Actually they ran a program on 20/20 that showed how with the rise of autism came the drop of mental retardation diagnosis. Also in the 90s the criteria for diagnosis changed drastically. My son wouldn't have gotten the diagnosis 20 years ago had it not been for the change. I thought there was also a study put out that identified two genes that may be linked to autism. Brittin sunrose101@... wrote: According to our DAN doctor, there is no mercury in the MMR because it's a live vaccine, which is what makes it more of a problem because it is felt that it causes brain inflammation in those susceptible. There's nothing at all being disproven about shots and autism; too many of us having experienced the horror of regression. The 'genetic' suggestion doesn't hold much water with me though, , unless there is a genetic sport since the early 1990's when autism really began to proliferate. All the other suggestions besides the vaccinations seem to me to be red herrings thrown up by the pharmaceutical industry. I think the question to ask is (this may not be exact Latin!) "Qui bono?" i.e. Who benefits from thimerisol and the other stuff in vaccinations not causing autism? Francine In a message dated 2/25/2007 12:19:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, avianrightsgmail writes: On 2/23/07, Rowell <nancyrowellfamily (DOT) plus.com> wrote: >>My son is 4 and needs another set of booster shots. Is it the MMR thatpeople believe is linked to autism?<<That is pretty well disproven now. As I understand it, all that was really disproven was that the mercury in the shots *cause* autism. I saw an interview recently with a doctor who's heading up some Autism studies here in RI who claimed they are still looking into the link between immunizations and autism. He said they're actually looking into what I think may be the case, which is that there is a genetic susceptibility with an environmental trigger. The fact that so many children suddenly stop speaking and lose all their acquired language after getting the same shot (not everybody, but enough to raise plenty of red flags), is what I feel is a strong possibility of being that environmental trigger. Just my two cents for you! AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 ..my sons actually have both mr and autism.but that is intersting that it dropped. Re: shots/2 cents more Actually they ran a program on 20/20 that showed how with the rise of autism came the drop of mental retardation diagnosis. Also in the 90s the criteria for diagnosis changed drastically. My son wouldn't have gotten the diagnosis 20 years ago had it not been for the change. I thought there was also a study put out that identified two genes that may be linked to autism. Brittin sunrose101aol (DOT) com wrote: According to our DAN doctor, there is no mercury in the MMR because it's a live vaccine, which is what makes it more of a problem because it is felt that it causes brain inflammation in those susceptible. There's nothing at all being disproven about shots and autism; too many of us having experienced the horror of regression. The 'genetic' suggestion doesn't hold much water with me though, , unless there is a genetic sport since the early 1990's when autism really began to proliferate. All the other suggestions besides the vaccinations seem to me to be red herrings thrown up by the pharmaceutical industry. I think the question to ask is (this may not be exact Latin!) "Qui bono?" i.e. Who benefits from thimerisol and the other stuff in vaccinations not causing autism? Francine In a message dated 2/25/2007 12:19:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, avianrights@ gmail.com writes: On 2/23/07, Rowell <nancyrowellfamily (DOT) plus.com> wrote: >>My son is 4 and needs another set of booster shots. Is it the MMR thatpeople believe is linked to autism?<<That is pretty well disproven now. As I understand it, all that was really disproven was that the mercury in the shots *cause* autism. I saw an interview recently with a doctor who's heading up some Autism studies here in RI who claimed they are still looking into the link between immunizations and autism. He said they're actually looking into what I think may be the case, which is that there is a genetic susceptibility with an environmental trigger. The fact that so many children suddenly stop speaking and lose all their acquired language after getting the same shot (not everybody, but enough to raise plenty of red flags), is what I feel is a strong possibility of being that environmental trigger. Just my two cents for you! AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now. 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Search movie showtime shortcut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 About 4 years ago, the state of California did a study to try to determine if they could pinpoint a reason why autism is going up in California. They looked at all the speculations that circle around both about why the autism epidemic exists and why California in particular (ie. kids getting diagnosed when before they were not, kids previously getting a different diagnosis, people moving here for services, high concentration of computer companies have attracted asperger-types that have had kids etc). Since this was done by a group that typically want to explain away conditions, I was surprised to read their findings. They said statistically, the rate of mental retardation did go down but very slightly and nothing compared to the autism increase (can't remember exactly but something like a 10% decrease in MR but a 300% increase in autism). They found an increase in people moving to this state but also some moving out with a net increase that was very minor and not enough to have much of an impact. I can't remember all the different statistics they went through but it was pretty thorough and in the end, all they could say is the reason for the increase is unknown. > >>My son is 4 and needs another set of booster shots. Is it the MMR that > people believe is linked to autism?<< > > That is pretty well disproven now. > > As I understand it, all that was really disproven was that the mercury in the shots *cause* autism. I saw an interview recently with a doctor who's heading up some Autism studies here in RI who claimed they are still looking into the link between immunizations and autism. He said they're actually looking into what I think may be the case, which is that there is a genetic susceptibility with an environmental trigger. The fact that so many children suddenly stop speaking and lose all their acquired language after getting the same shot (not everybody, but enough to raise plenty of red flags), is what I feel is a strong possibility of being that environmental trigger. > > Just my two cents for you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Very interesting information, Brittin. The inclusion of Asperger's in the DSM in the 90s surely contributed to the increase in diagnoses as well. We are also finding out now that many people who have children with some form of ASD also fall somewhere on the spectrum themselves. I think with increased awareness of ASD more people are getting screened as adults, as well as school systems and Early Intervention programs being what they are (which are not fabulous, but are life savers for many) for the kids and that this contributes to the supposed " boom " in diagnoses. Since there are also so many children born to people who do not lie on the spectrum (or perhaps they just don't see it in themselves so don't get tested- who knows for sure?), I tend to think there's some sort of recessive gene passed on through the family which simply increases susceptibilty. I'm certainly not any sort of expert, I just think a lot! In my personal situation, I'm caring for my fiancee's son whom we expect to receive a diagnosis for within the next couple of weeks, and I strongly suspect that both of his parents lie on the spectrum. I kept my mouth shut on that issue out of tact until my fiancee admitted that he has tics and verbal utterances which are carefully controlled while in the presence of people- once he's alone he feels comfortable to let it all out. He did tell me he thinks he is on the spectrum and maybe has Tourette's too. I don't know so much about Tourettes (watched an Oprah show on it not too long ago!) besides that it's not uncommon to have a comorbid diagnosis with ASD and that many of the obvious symptoms of Tourettes are also found in ASD regularly. That sounds circular, but I hope you see my point. I really don't know enough about that disorder to formulate an opinion either way. He's only just not starting to allow himself to " tic " in my presence. His social skills are lacking to say the least- the fist time we spoke I agreed to let him buy me a beer just to end our conversation because he was so awkward! Once he got drunk he was able to talk a little bit. He's come a long way since we've been together, but then again I may just have a new perspective as we begin to focus on our wedding. Regardless, he sees no benefit in getting a diagnosis for himself since our lives are proceeding well anyway. Our child's biological mother has no sense of boundaries- She hangs out in our home when we're not here without our permission; walks right in without knocking or ringing the bell when she knows we're home... and I'm not about to suggest she get tested. Not my place. Knowing what I do of ASD, however, does help prevent me from blowing a gasket when I stumble out of bed in my pajamas to find her sitting in my living room! I work with children with disabilities and their parents, and you would not (maybe you would) believe how many of the children on the spectrum that I personally work with were developing just fine- speaking, eating, playing, eye contact, developmentally appropriate social skills- until their 18-24 month vaccinations, including the MMR vaccine. I have not personally come into contact with a single parent of a child on the spectrum who is not 100% convinced that no matter what the root cause, this vaccine absolutely was the beginning of the end of their families as they knew them to be. All we can really discuss are our various theories since nothing has been concretely proven or disproven either way. Studies can be grossly skewed either way the breeze blows so who knows what to believe? This is merely my theory, which may not hold much weight since I came into the picture of the life of a child with (suspected until 2 weeks from now) autism only 2 years ago and have otherwise only had experience with people with various disabilities for the last 6 years or so! I should mention that all of my ideas come through my own observation, experience and admittedly not-too-thorough research. But it makes perfect sense to me. On 2/27/07, Brittin Kemp <rebekanmum@... > wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 I read in the article about the CDC's announcement that autism is 1 in 150, that it did not include aspergers, PDD-NOS or any other label under the autism spectrum umbrella. If they had, that number would be drastically different. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2007 Report Share Posted March 2, 2007 Wow, , I didn't realize that statistic didn't include those other disorders we all classify as ASD. I wonder why? Maybe they don't want to start some sort of panic? Jeez what is happening? Pretty soon us neurotypes will be the minority (maybe we already are)! Maybe some fabulous people with ASD will start running the country- I'm sure they'd do a much better job!! Service Agencies would be able to give their direct care workers RAISES because the government would actually fund programs for human beings who happen to have disabilities! And programs could actually be DEVELOPED instead of the bare bones types of things we are seeing in this country. Ah, one can dream... Sorry for the rant! On 3/1/07, cubicmonica <cubicmonica@...> wrote: I read in the article about the CDC's announcement that autism is 1 in 150, that it did not include aspergers, PDD-NOS or any other label under the autism spectrum umbrella.If they had, that number would be drastically different. > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2007 Report Share Posted March 3, 2007 I agree there needs to be more services for people with disabilities such as autism, but unfortunately I don't think 1 in 150 is going to make people wake up and listen. After all, it's only about one-half of one percent of the population. - > Re: Re: shots/2 cents more > > Wow, , I didn't realize that statistic didn't include those other > disorders we all classify as ASD. I wonder why? Maybe they don't want to > start some sort of panic? Jeez what is happening? > > Pretty soon us neurotypes will be the minority (maybe we already are)! > Maybe some fabulous people with ASD will start running the country- I'm > sure they'd do a much better job!! Service Agencies would be able to give > their direct care workers RAISES because the government would actually > fund programs for human beings who happen to have disabilities! And > programs could actually be DEVELOPED instead of the bare bones types of > things we are seeing in this country. > > Ah, one can dream... Sorry for the rant! > > > > > > On 3/1/07, cubicmonica <cubicmonica@... > <mailto:cubicmonica@...> > wrote: > > I read in the article about the CDC's announcement that autism is 1 > in 150, that it did not include aspergers, PDD-NOS or any other > label > under the autism spectrum umbrella. > > If they had, that number would be drastically different. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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