Re: bad liver flush experience

[Guest guest]

Dear Donna,

The only other people I have heard of who had problems from the liver flush

:

1) had a parasite problem, and parasites got stuck in the common bile duct

and gave them pain.

2) didn't drink all the Epsom salts.

This person has tried everything except that one thing that would resolve

the problem -- another liver flush.

Best of health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

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From: CountryGirl <ruthful@...>

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Excellentthings

Subject: bad liver flush experience

Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:21:04 -0700

This was posted at curezone.com and I think it is worth hearing. I know

it took me several months to recover from my last liver flush and I

won't do another. I am going to try Schulzes flush instead. I

will post that seperately.

Blessings

Donna

http://www.excellentthings.com

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posting as a caution/warning to anyone new to this website/forum, and

also as a plea for any advise/help anyone might have to offer.

a little over a year ago i began to try to heal myself naturally, as

allopathic drs. were zero help, from various ailments that have plagued

me for many years, i am 31 yrs old now:

-migraines for 20+ years

-chronic fatigue for 7yrs

-neck/shoulder/back pain for 8yrs

-depression/anxiety for 12 yrs

-chronic pain/fibromyalgia-like

-i changed my diet to include more organic fruits and vegetables, less

wheat/gluten containing foods, less dairy. added probiotics, green food

supplments, kefir, various other vitamins. increased water intake. more

fiber to my diet

-did bowel cleansing with p & b shakes (see bowel cleanse forum),

occasional enemas

-did parasite cleanse

decided it was time for me to do a liver flush, as i was having good

results and could see some change in my health and well-being from the

above cleanses and life changes, for the first time around the end of

august of 2003. followed the hulda clark method of liver flushing. flush

was successful, released about 50-70 stones of varying size...biggest

about 1/4in in diameter down to chaff. all seemed well and fine, until

about 2 days later...

i developed acute abdomial pain around my naval and the left side of my

abdomen, down to about my groin area. i thought nothing of it at first

thinking it was just an after-effect of the flush that would clear up

with time and a few enemas (thought was it was maybe some stuck stones

in the colon or irritation from the epsom). wrong i was! the pain

continued to worsen, as did constipation, bowel habits. and now it is a

year later and i am in more pain than ever.

pain has me doubled over sometimes, is ever present, is crampy,

sometimes causes a deep burning deep in my bowels, has severly crippled

my quality of life (even worse than before with my other ailments, as

they are still present (but a little improved) on top of this terrible

abdominal pain), horrible bloat and fullness after i eat most of the

time, has made my mood related problems much worse as the pain and

feeling of 'being uncomfortable' causes me to be overly

irritable/anxious. i have lost a ton of weight, and i was already

skinny. basically, i have in a sense, given myself IBS by doing a

liverflush.

i have never suffered from any GI problems (indigestion, constipation,

pain, bloating, etc) until i did a liver flush. now i am plagued with

these things to no end all day everyday.

i have tried numerous ways in the past year to help rid myself of this

abdominal pain: colonics, probiotics, further bowel cleansing, energy

healing, massage, various herbal supplements. i have even gone to the

dr., where numerous tests (blood, barium, CT scans) and medication have

been tried, but no help. dr. just says it is IBS, as they see nothing

else wrong.

i still believe that one can heal oneself, but there is also that

potential to harm oneself too. you never hear of people on these forums

posting of bad results of liverflush, so who knows how often it actually

happens. i wanted to post to let people know that it can and does

happen. i guess i fell into the unlikely minority of those that did not

find a wonderful life and health changing experience in flushing. after

this horrible incident, i am afraid to ever attempt one again, since the

first has crippled my health worse than before and i have been unable to

correct or even make it moderatley improved in the past year. i am

unable to work, and most days unable to do much of anything, mainly

because of the severity of the abdominal pain more than my other health

concerns.

many times i regret even finding this website (and learning of

liverflush) because of where it has led my health, but it must have been

for a reason, i have just yet to discover it.

thanx for listening and any help would be appreciated

[Guest guest]

donna

i could easily have been that person had i stopped doing the flushes

she needs to keep going

the same thing happened to me in the beginning and i realized what was going

on so i kept at them

i think for some people, once you start there is no turning back. if you

stop i think it could become life threatening in some cases.

i became jaundiced one year into the flushes, and there was no turning back.

i would surely have croaked had i stopped.]

please report on the schulze cleanse if you do them

they seem ineffective to me, but i'd like to know if they actually work.

[Guest guest]

I wonder in her case if somehow a stone injured a nerve while

passing...sounds like nerve inflammation that never quieted down, but

who knows. I am taking Prime Health's Gold Coin Grass formula, that

helps breakup stones on their own so they are small when they pass in

the flush. Also I read that you can use malic acid instead of the

apple juice fast sometimes recommended (I think that gets stagnant

bile flowing)

> donna

>

> i could easily have been that person had i stopped doing the flushes

>

> she needs to keep going

>

> the same thing happened to me in the beginning and i realized what

was going

> on so i kept at them

>

> i think for some people, once you start there is no turning back.

if you

> stop i think it could become life threatening in some cases.

>

> i became jaundiced one year into the flushes, and there was no

turning back.

> i would surely have croaked had i stopped.]

>

> please report on the schulze cleanse if you do them

>

> they seem ineffective to me, but i'd like to know if they actually

work.

[Guest guest]

I wonder what would be the cause of your becoming jaundiced after a

year of liver flushes? After liver flushes, sometimes a few days

later, I have passed yellowish orange sludge or bilirubin, which is a

component of bile and is the reason that you turn yellow when there

is a bile obstruction, since it backs up in the system. But I wonder

why you would turn yellowish while doing the flushes? Could it be

that your flushes finally culminated in a dumping of a lot of

bilirubin, and that caused temporary yellowing? I wonder. Seems like

jaundice would be the last thing that many liver flushes would cause.

Anybody got a theory?

By the way, I agree. I think liver flushes are a can of worms that

have to be dealt with once opened. And for many are a therapy that we

can't go without. It's like you build up a momentum of detox and if

you stop in the middle of it your in trouble. Jack

> donna

>

> i could easily have been that person had i stopped doing the flushes

>

> she needs to keep going

>

> the same thing happened to me in the beginning and i realized what

was going

> on so i kept at them

>

> i think for some people, once you start there is no turning back.

if you

> stop i think it could become life threatening in some cases.

>

> i became jaundiced one year into the flushes, and there was no

turning back.

> i would surely have croaked had i stopped.]

>

> please report on the schulze cleanse if you do them

>

> they seem ineffective to me, but i'd like to know if they actually

work.