Re: 504 or IEP - input please

[Guest guest]

No, Bonnie the schools funding timing has nothing to do with your son

receiving services. Is he already classified? If so, then you just need to

convince them that he needs these items. If he's not yet classified, then

you'll

need to go through the testing/evaluation process first. That can take some

time unfortunately.

With a 504 you would NOT be able to get OT (paid for by school) - This would

be a service covered under an IEP once classified.

In a message dated 9/2/2006 7:08:34 PM Central Standard Time,

rnmomo2@... writes:

I will be meeting with my son's school in a couple of weeks to

discuss his IEP and needs. I want him to have a keyboard, OT, math

basic skills, and an aide among other things. Given what you said

about funding deadlines ect...., do you think I will not fare well?

Bonnie

[Guest guest]

I will be meeting with my son's school in a couple of weeks to

discuss his IEP and needs. I want him to have a keyboard, OT, math

basic skills, and an aide among other things. Given what you said

about funding deadlines ect...., do you think I will not fare well?

Bonnie

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[Guest guest]

Bonnie, also have in mind good reasons as to why he needs those to

succeed; just in case you need to justify. They might say " yes "

immediately, but always good to be prepared. I do think that equipment

was limited here, not enough to go around maybe. did get to

use an AlphaSmart to type (think that was the name) a bit in 6th grade

as no one else was using it at the time.

[Guest guest]

Thanks. Matt has not been classified before. He had the testing

over the summer and the results are, Tourettes, ADD, nonverbal

learning disorder, sensory integration disorder, dyspraxia with

anxious and obsessive behavioral patterns.

I believe with this he will be classified for an IEP. The part that

I am most concerned with is the aide (which he had for a few months

last year without an IEP). I think he can get the OT without a

problem. I really believe he needs one because he gets so

overwhelmed in his environment (noise, ect...) and then panics

ect... Our psych therapist is going to attend the meeting to help

with the behavioral intervention stuff.

I delayed the meeting originally scheduled for 9/7 because no one who

knew him last year is at the school this year and I kind of want his

new teacher and principal to see what I am talking about in terms of

his bahvior and management of that. I also had to make time for his

therapist to arrange his schedule so that he can attend. I thought I

might have made a mistake earlier when I read the post about

paperwork deadlines for the schools. I know delaying the development

of the IEP doesn't help Matt right now, but in the long run, I think

it will help him get most of what he needs. I sure hope that I am

right. These days I am not sure who is most anxious or

me!!!

Thanks again,

Bonnie

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> No, Bonnie the schools funding timing has nothing to do with your

son

> receiving services. Is he already classified? If so, then you

just need to

> convince them that he needs these items. If he's not yet

classified, then you'll

> need to go through the testing/evaluation process first. That can

take some

> time unfortunately.

>

> With a 504 you would NOT be able to get OT (paid for by school) -

This would

> be a service covered under an IEP once classified.

>

>

>

> In a message dated 9/2/2006 7:08:34 PM Central Standard Time,

> rnmomo2@... writes:

>

> I will be meeting with my son's school in a couple of weeks to

> discuss his IEP and needs. I want him to have a keyboard, OT, math

> basic skills, and an aide among other things. Given what you said

> about funding deadlines ect...., do you think I will not fare

well?

>

> Bonnie

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[Guest guest]

Thanks...Who taught him to use the alpha smart? I have been looking

for a class or something,but haven't come up with one. I did find a

child's typing computer program though.

Bonnie

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> Bonnie, also have in mind good reasons as to why he needs those to

> succeed; just in case you need to justify. They might say " yes "

> immediately, but always good to be prepared. I do think that

equipment

> was limited here, not enough to go around maybe. did get

to

> use an AlphaSmart to type (think that was the name) a bit in 6th

grade

> as no one else was using it at the time.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bonnie -

Sounds like you're ahead of the game then - A lot of kids here have their

testing over the summer so that they're ready to go and plan their programs in

September. From what you describe, I don't imagine you'll have a hard time

with the OT. The elementary school here actually hired a full time OT the

last couple of years because they found a big need amongst children. Great

idea that your therapist is attending also and should help quite a bit.

In a message dated 9/2/2006 9:35:03 PM Central Standard Time,

rnmomo2@... writes:

Thanks. Matt has not been classified before. He had the testing

over the summer and the results are, Tourettes, ADD, nonverbal

learning disorder, sensory integration disorder, dyspraxia with

anxious and obsessive behavioral patterns.

[Guest guest]

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This is a perfect example of a difference you might see between

classification/IEP and 504 - With an IEP if a student needs a specific piece of

equipment, the school must purchase it specifically for their plan (provided

they

don't already have it available for his/her full-time use). This would be

covered

undered special services/equipment.

In a message dated 9/2/2006 9:26:59 PM Central Standard Time,

@... writes:

I do think that equipment

was limited here, not enough to go around maybe. did get to

use an AlphaSmart to type (think that was the name) a bit in 6th grade

as no one else was using it at the time.

[Guest guest]

Who taught him to use the alpha smart?

The school showed him how to use it. The only problem we had was that

he would use it at school only, so unfinished work had to be picked up

on paper at home so he had to remember where he'd stopped the work if

he hadn't had a chance to print it out before coming home.

I was just pleased he could use it without his OCD kicking in

somewhere, as this was at the time OCD things were always popping up.

[Guest guest]

Actually, students who receive 504 accommodations can receive assistive

technology

If you want to wade through the official information see:

http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/assistivetech.html

I know that often the schools aren't aware of what they are required to

do under 504, and that often there isn't a person who is in charge of

ensuring that things are followed. But 504 is a valid way to get what

many children need. The law is there, but parents may need to push a

bit.

BTW, another benefit of appealing through OCR (whether about a 504

specifically or a civil rights violation of an IEP) is that they will

actually investigate a claim. If you go to due process, you are in a

court situation where lawyers are presenting evidence and examining

witnesses, so it is often one person's word against another. (Someone

made a comment previously that when they complained about something

their child wasn't getting, the school just insisted that they were

getting it).

OTOH, I have seen OCR send people out to physically investigate. For

example, a parent complained about busing. The school said that the

buses were arriving at a certain time and it wasn't a problem. OCR,

actually came out and spent several days driving around behind the

buses and then reported that it was a problem: Let me see you get that

in a due process hearing!

Jeanne

On Sep 3, 2006, at 8:25 AM, Nchaotic@... wrote:

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> This is a perfect example of a difference you might see between

> classification/IEP and 504 - With an IEP if a student needs a

> specific piece of

> equipment, the school must purchase it specifically for their plan

> (provided they

> don't already have it available for his/her full-time use). This

> would be covered

> undered special services/equipment.

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>

>

> In a message dated 9/2/2006 9:26:59 PM Central Standard Time,

> @... writes:

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> I do think that equipment

> was limited here, not enough to go around maybe. did get to

> use an AlphaSmart to type (think that was the name) a bit in 6th grade

> as no one else was using it at the time.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree. However, for specific services or equipment, the state and local

district is responsible to pay the cost. IDEA funds are not to be used for

services to a child covered solely under 504.

I often wonder, how are other states school districts maintained

financially? Here in NJ, our schools are mainly supported through property

taxes. Some

state aid is given, but over the last few years state aid has either been

taken away or remains flat. How do other states support their schools

financially?? Just curious.

In a message dated 9/3/2006 9:37:42 AM Central Standard Time,

jwestpha@... writes:

Actually, students who receive 504 accommodations can receive assistive

technology

[Guest guest]

What is " OCR? "

Dina

[Guest guest]

OCR = Office for Civil Rights

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> Dina

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