Guest guest Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 To call some healers fraudulant may valid. To call the work I do a fraud or fraudulant is something else. Fraud looking it up: means intendional dishonesty. Using the word " fraud " in that way in legal terms I believe may be a tort or a wrong. Some could call it slanderous. I am sure that you did not mean it that way. I agree finding competent healing services is difficult. My observation is that about 4 to 5% of healers are worth while. How long did you search for knowledgable help before you found this list? A lot of people claim to do this or that. I work consciously with divine energy. How: well for that maybe a thick book I need to write will explain it: " Hands of Light " is a good place to start. People stop working with me for three reasons: 1. They got the results they wanted 2. They are not willing to go into the emotional basis of their situation - more on that below. 3. Personal economics prevents them from continuing. I have found that a major cause of illness in 80% of my clients is unresolved emotions from the past (see my other post Rant and Rave today). The other 20% is a mix environmental poisons and or poor breathing. I after several years of observation and communciation on this list am sure that a lot of the reason for hand holding and difficulty with ozone is emotional stuff. If people on this list can somehow get by (or who knows maybe heal) their emotions. The awesome power of ozone, literately floods the first level of the auric field: which sends tremendous energy directly to every cell of the body, will heal about anything physically. Personnally if I had any cancer especially a fast growth, I would do anything to get one of Sauls' machines lacking money, I would show up at his clinic. Dwight Munson ---- Original Message ----- From: oxyplus Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 10:53 PM Subject: Re: Liver and Kidneys/exposing the fraud of energy healers Hi My experiencies of energy healing have also been very bad indeed and ended with the energy healers generally concluding that because their treatments had no effect on me I didn't want to get well. Re: Liver and Kidneys/exposing the fraud of energy healers > the young people have a great expression floating around these days... > > whatever dude > > dwight i speak from my personal experiences > > i have had many a session with barbara brennan healers. and tons of others, > reiki, johrei, access, chi qong healers, pranic healers, channeled healings, > energy meditations, sessions with kam yuen, blah blah blah blah. all the > same. and all of them think theirs is the most potent flavor. and most had > unbearable egos. so you can pretend you are great by virtue of proximity to > these famous people, who btw i have nothing against. its just glorified > backrubs. > > just last year i got roped into a guy named irving fine who channels > healings on the phone. he claimed he was the best what a big surprise. all > of these people prey upon people who are weak and sick. > > and btw a real master doesn't call himself master. alot of westerners have > some strange reverence for asian healers. > > all had the same quality of being way overpriced except johrei which is > free. the way it should be! and as far as channeled healings go, people can > get themselves on prayer lists for free! you can have thousands of people > praying for you for free instead of one person that costs 100 dollars an > hour. > > your ego was bruised so be it > > i don't need to read your post again about values, thanks anyway > > have a massage dude > > > > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 I can't agree with you more. I've tried quite a few myself. It's riduculous to think one can pay a thousand(s) dollars, take a course and become a certified healer. Waddle In a message dated 4/11/2004 4:42:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, hrtckra@... writes: > Re: Liver and Kidneys/exposing the fraud of energy > healers > > > >the young people have a great expression floating around these days... > > > >whatever dude > > > >dwight i speak from my personal experiences > > > >i have had many a session with barbara brennan healers. and tons of > others, > >reiki, johrei, access, chi qong healers, pranic healers, channeled > healings, > >energy meditations, sessions with kam yuen, blah blah blah blah. all the > >same. and all of them think theirs is the most potent flavor. and most had > >unbearable egos. so you can pretend you are great by virtue of proximity > to > >these famous people, who btw i have nothing against. its just glorified > >backrubs. > > > >just last year i got roped into a guy named irving fine who channels > >healings on the phone. he claimed he was the best what a big surprise. all > >of these people prey upon people who are weak and sick. > > > >and btw a real master doesn't call himself master. alot of westerners have > >some strange reverence for asian healers. > > > >all had the same quality of being way overpriced except johrei which is > >free. the way it should be! and as far as channeled healings go, people > can > >get themselves on prayer lists for free! you can have thousands of people > >praying for you for free instead of one person that costs 100 dollars an > >hour. > > > >your ego was bruised so be it > > > >i don't need to read your post again about values, thanks anyway > > > >have a massage dude > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2004 Report Share Posted April 12, 2004 I think some people probably do have talent at healing; a book I like is Donna Eden's Energy Medicine. I do agree w/ Arthur's comments too, though; and of course, you can't " transmit " healing ability because you are famous. I myself believe most energy healers are sincere but not very effective. I also believe we have our own innate abilities anyway. Arthur and I have talked from time to time about listening to your own body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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