What if any medication does your child take

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my DD was diagnosed at age 5 and is 7 now but is not on any medication.

One dr said unless the school felt it she needed it for class that

they would not do it.

I know she has anixity (sp?) issues but don't know if I should

medicate her for it.

Any advice would help

Thanks

Kim

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well my one son takes respiradal,clonidine and concerta the other takes concerta and buspar.if ur lil one has anxiety i would get her some therapy or meds for that mainly cuz left untreated it can worsen and she can go through hell with it .(i have it and i am a wreck with that and depression and panic it sucks big time )my one son has anxiety he isnt treated for it yet.. he is the one who takes the 3 meds already and i dont want to add another just yet ( he also has the familial high cholesterol and is facing meds for that see where i am going with that way so many meds ).so before meds for any of it try the therapy and so forth if she has no problems at school or at home then no meds would be ok if she has problems in either place maybe look into a low dose of soemthing . but remember i am not a dr follow ur dr and ur own thoughts and views on this do not feel pressured to give her something or not to

give her something.wish u luck

What if any medication does your child take

my DD was diagnosed at age 5 and is 7 now but is not on any medication. One dr said unless the school felt it she needed it for class thatthey would not do it. I know she has anixity (sp?) issues but don't know if I shouldmedicate her for it. Any advice would help ThanksKim

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This may sound really strange, but have you talked to

your daughter about it. I can't do that with my son

yet because he is too young, but I spoke with a mother

of a disabled son who also had a special education

degree. I was talking about the overuse of medication

and she said that her son asked for medication. He

actually begged for it. He tried so hard and felt

like he couldn't do it. He was depressed and hated

himself. Once on the medication he did a 180 and is

so happy. His grades are excellent and everything is

going well for him. So some kids do need medication

to function. I think the question is more about what

your daughter needs and less about what the school

wants. There are many ways to deal with problems and

accommodate kids other than medication. I know your

daughter isn't very old, but maybe you can talk to her

about what it is like for her. Then discuss the

different options she has. She might surprise you.

Her involvement in the decision making process might

make a world of difference. Generally Im still not

for medicating kids, but this mother taught me a

valuable lesson about being open to everything and

including the child in the process.

Angie

--- kaylabear599 <kaylabear599@...> wrote:

> my DD was diagnosed at age 5 and is 7 now but is not

> on any medication.

>

> One dr said unless the school felt it she needed it

> for class that

> they would not do it.

>

> I know she has anixity (sp?) issues but don't know

> if I should

> medicate her for it.

>

> Any advice would help

>

> Thanks

> Kim

>

>

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While many people would say that this is a highly personal decision, I do not necessarily feel this way. At this risk of causing some controversy, here is my opinion. I feel that it is our job as parents to help our child function to their highest degree. In order for my kiddos to feel comfortable in their own skin, medication is crucial. For Molly, without meds - she became violent quickly and prior to meds at age 7 she (literally) tried to smother Sara to death. She has AS and did not quite understand what would have happened - she knew but didn't think it through. Another time she put a knife to Sara's neck. Hope also has serious issues with periodic violence, she inflicts horrific violence upon herself - probably due to frustration. Sara has SEVERE adhd - probably from being a preemie - and she literally cannot sit in a chair for longer than 10 minutes at a time w/out

meds. My son is weaning himself off the adderall for his adhd - he went from a 2nd to 3rd grade reading level in 8th grade - to being beyond their scoring scales this past year - that was with the addition of an IEP and 15mg of Adderall per day. Jenkaylabear599 <kaylabear599@...> wrote: my DD was diagnosed at age 5 and is 7 now but is not on any medication. One dr said unless the school felt it she needed it for class thatthey would not do it. I know she has

anixity (sp?) issues but don't know if I shouldmedicate her for it. Any advice would help ThanksKim______________________________________________________________ "I want to be part of the solution. Not part of the agonizing, grinding, boring complacent problem..." Henry Rollins; From "I hate U2"

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Hi Kim,

We steer clear of any and all medication unless it's absolutely

necessary. I have worked with too many people with disabilities

through group homes in various ARCs whose disabilities have become

more severe due to side effects of many of these meds. Granted, people

aren't supposed to be using many of the old-school antipsychotics

anymore but if you ask me hard meds fry people's brains.

If you are having the struggle with yourself regarding whether to

medicate or not, and the doctor says it's not necessary, I'd wait

until she's grown before reconsidering. Let her body finish maturing-

who knows, maybe she'll naturally grow out of the anxiety. Maybe it's

not a chemical imbalance, as was the case with me when I was in my

teens. I was put on a slew of anti-anxiety and anti-depressant

medicine and all it did was waste a large chunk of my childhood. Those

meds made me feel *really* crazy, and it was explained to me after the

fact that those effects had happened because I didn't have any

chemical imbalance- just really crappy living circumstances at the

time.

Point being, medicine (in my opinion) should always be used as a

method of last resort, unless it's life-saving.

Just my 2 cents!

On 1/15/07, kaylabear599 <kaylabear599@...> wrote:

> my DD was diagnosed at age 5 and is 7 now but is not on any medication.

>

> One dr said unless the school felt it she needed it for class that

> they would not do it.

>

> I know she has anixity (sp?) issues but don't know if I should

> medicate her for it.

>

> Any advice would help

>

> Thanks

> Kim

>

>

>

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Hi,My son's on 2 medications-1 for adhd and the other for anxiety.

He's behavioral therapist started asking me to think about it and

since the dr. is in the same office she asked if I'd think about it.

My son's 10. He's been on Zoloft now for a couple months. I'm glad I

decided to do it. 1st time we tried something for anxiety it was a

nightmare. He lost everything he'd learned in a month and regressed

badly. I think it was his age, he was 5 then. Why would your dr. say

that? I just thought I'd share what I did with my son. I'm glad

now. I don't hear the " I HATE YOU " 's as much and his mood's better

most of the time. It didn't take everything away bout helped.

Kim

-- In Autism and Aspergers Treatment , " kaylabear599 "

<kaylabear599@...> wrote:

>

> my DD was diagnosed at age 5 and is 7 now but is not on any

medication.

>

> One dr said unless the school felt it she needed it for class that

> they would not do it.

>

> I know she has anixity (sp?) issues but don't know if I should

> medicate her for it.

>

> Any advice would help

>

> Thanks

> Kim

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim,

>

> my DD was diagnosed at age 5 and is 7 now but is not on any

medication.

My son is now 19 and has never had *any* drugs, other than one course of

antibiotics for an ear infection, in his whole life. He is currently at the

best university in the country.

IMO there is an overuse of drugs, trying to 'normalise' kids. ASD is not

caused by any chemical imbalance in the brain (as ADHD may be), and the

things which can follow from the ASD - like anxiety or depression - are

results of being in the wrong social environment, again not as a result of

chemical imbalances. Hence drugs for these conditions do not work, or only

seem to work for a short time, or make things worse. The best way to 'treat'

is to change the social environment to something that is manageable to the

person with ASD.

>

> One dr said unless the school felt it she needed it for class that

> they would not do it.

If a school told me my child needed drugs or they wouldn't have him in the

classroom, then I'd change schools. It is them who need to change to

accomodate your child, not your child who needs to be drugged up so they can

act 'normal'.

in England

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St. 's Wort is very, very helpful for anxiety. I'd think it is okay for kids, and would say to check on it first. It does all the things that something like Zoloft does, and yet it's a plant, and not prone to side effects.

Another really tasty serotonin-blocker that works is raw cacao -- in other words: healthy chocolate, that does not seem to be addictive, and is -- in addition -- a 'superfood'. Even unsweetened, it is very appealing. We haven't sweetened it yet, and today we're planning to make a friend a birthday fudge out of it with macadamia nuts and honey. The cacao appears to have no side effects. It is the actual bean, and I grind it in a coffee grinder to a powder.

I have also found prayer and discussing ideas of God to be extremely helpful, if not miraculous vis à vis school work. Children are really responsive to the thought of this Love ever with them, that they can turn to for help, and get it. There is a wonderful book: talks with God about a four year's old experience. Never think that a child can't understand. A friend was babysitting for a little girl 2 1/2 on our block. [she happened to be the granddaughter of Gerald Jampolski who wrote (among other books) Love is Letting Go of Fear.] At the time though, we didn't know whether her parents were 'pro-God' so when she started acting up, I reminded her that she was Love's child. She astounded both of us by saying: "I don't belong to God!" And p.s. she calmed down after that, and behaved around me.

Love,

Francine

In a message dated 1/17/2007 1:06:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, kmabarnes@... writes:

<kaylabear599@...> wrote:>> my DD was diagnosed at age 5 and is 7 now but is not on any medication. > > One dr said unless the school felt it she needed it for class that> they would not do it. > > I know she has anixity (sp?) issues but don't know if I should> medicate her for it. > > Any advice would help > > Thanks> Kim

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>Subject: Re: Re: What if any medication does your child

>take

>Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 08:18:57 -0000

>

>Hi Kim,

> >

> > my DD was diagnosed at age 5 and is 7 now but is not on any

>medication.

>

>My son is now 19 and has never had *any* drugs, other than one course of

>antibiotics for an ear infection, in his whole life. He is currently at the

>best university in the country.

>

>IMO there is an overuse of drugs, trying to 'normalise' kids. ASD is not

>caused by any chemical imbalance in the brain (as ADHD may be), and the

>things which can follow from the ASD - like anxiety or depression - are

>results of being in the wrong social environment, again not as a result of

>chemical imbalances. Hence drugs for these conditions do not work, or only

>seem to work for a short time, or make things worse. The best way to

>'treat'

>is to change the social environment to something that is manageable to the

>person with ASD.

>

> >

> > One dr said unless the school felt it she needed it for class that

> > they would not do it.

>

>If a school told me my child needed drugs or they wouldn't have him in the

>classroom, then I'd change schools. It is them who need to change to

>accomodate your child, not your child who needs to be drugged up so they

>can

>act 'normal'.

>

> in England

>

>

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I disagree with that statement. Every child is different and will act differntlty. Medication can be a very important resource for child who need it. My son had to be placed on medication after I tried every other resouece from counceling to behavoir modification. There was a point where he was so uncontrollabe he was trying to jump out of the car when I would be driving. He would also run out of the house for no reason. Are you a medical Doctor? Rowell <nancy@...> wrote: Hi

Kim,>> my DD was diagnosed at age 5 and is 7 now but is not on anymedication.My son is now 19 and has never had *any* drugs, other than one course of antibiotics for an ear infection, in his whole life. He is currently at the best university in the country.IMO there is an overuse of drugs, trying to 'normalise' kids. ASD is not caused by any chemical imbalance in the brain (as ADHD may be), and the things which can follow from the ASD - like anxiety or depression - are results of being in the wrong social environment, again not as a result of chemical imbalances. Hence drugs for these conditions do not work, or only seem to work for a short time, or make things worse. The best way to 'treat' is to change the social environment to something that is manageable to the person with ASD.>> One dr said unless the school felt it she needed it for class that> they would not do

it.If a school told me my child needed drugs or they wouldn't have him in the classroom, then I'd change schools. It is them who need to change to accomodate your child, not your child who needs to be drugged up so they can act 'normal'. in England Ally

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Agreed 100% .

On 1/17/07, Rowell <nancy@...> wrote:

Hi Kim,>> my DD was diagnosed at age 5 and is 7 now but is not on anymedication.My son is now 19 and has never had *any* drugs, other than one course of antibiotics for an ear infection, in his whole life. He is currently at the best university in the country.IMO there is an overuse of drugs, trying to 'normalise' kids. ASD is not caused by any chemical imbalance in the brain (as ADHD may be), and the things which can follow from the ASD - like anxiety or depression - are results of being in the wrong social environment, again not as a result of chemical imbalances. Hence drugs for these conditions do not work, or only seem to work for a short time, or make things worse. The best way to 'treat' is to change the social environment to something that is manageable to the person with ASD.>> One dr said unless the school felt it she needed it for class that> they would not do it.

If a school told me my child needed drugs or they wouldn't have him in the classroom, then I'd change schools. It is them who need to change to accomodate your child, not your child who needs to be drugged up so they can act 'normal'. in England -- Don't Breed, Don't Buy, Adopt!

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In a message dated 1/18/2007 12:05:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, laura_0375@... writes:

Depakote

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I'm of the same opinion of in England, although I have tremendous sympathy for all of us!

In a message dated 1/18/2007 12:05:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, afortney74@... writes:

I disagree with that statement. Every child is different and will act differntlty. Medication can be a very important resource for child who need it. My son had to be placed on medication after I tried every other resouece from counceling to behavoir modification. There was a point where he was so uncontrollabe he was trying to jump out of the car when I would be driving.

He would also run out of the house for no reason. Are you a medical Doctor? Rowell <nancyrowellfamily (DOT) plus.com> wrote:

Hi Kim,>> my DD was diagnosed at age 5 and is 7 now but is not on anymedication.My son is now 19 and has never had *any* drugs, other than one course of antibiotics for an ear infection, in his whole life. He is currently at the best university in the country.IMO there is an overuse of drugs, trying to 'normalise' kids. ASD is not caused by any chemical imbalance in the brain (as ADHD may be), and the things which can follow from the ASD - like anxiety or depression - are results of being in the wrong social environment, again not as a result of chemical imbalances. Hence drugs for these conditions do not work, or only seem to work for a short time, or make things worse. The best way to 'treat' is to change the social environment to something that is manageable to the person with ASD.>> One dr said unless the school felt it she needed it for class that> they would not do it.If a school told me my child needed drugs or they wouldn't have him in the classroom, then I'd change schools. It is them who need to change to accomodate your child, not your child who needs to be drugged up so they can act 'normal'. in England

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sometimes you have to accept that the child doesn't understand about god. and if they don't have that comprehension of something so abstract, you might as well tell them that elmo is god. then of course there is the child who simply can't control their behavior. these are the children, like mine, who do not respond consistently to any behavioral interventions.

In a message dated 01/18/2007 12:05:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sunrose101@... writes:

St. 's Wort is very, very helpful for anxiety. I'd think it is okay for kids, and would say to check on it first. It does all the things that something like Zoloft does, and yet it's a plant, and not prone to side effects.

Another really tasty serotonin-blocker that works is raw cacao -- in other words: healthy chocolate, that does not seem to be addictive, and is -- in addition -- a 'superfood'. Even unsweetened, it is very appealing. We haven't sweetened it yet, and today we're planning to make a friend a birthday fudge out of it with macadamia nuts and honey. The cacao appears to have no side effects. It is the actual bean, and I grind it in a coffee grinder to a powder.

I have also found prayer and discussing ideas of God to be extremely helpful, if not miraculous vis à vis school work. Children are really responsive to the thought of this Love ever with them, that they can turn to for help, and get it. There is a wonderful book: talks with God about a four year's old experience. Never think that a child can't understand. A friend was babysitting for a little girl 2 1/2 on our block. [she happened to be the granddaughter of Gerald Jampolski who wrote (among other books) Love is Letting Go of Fear.] At the time though, we didn't know whether her parents were 'pro-God' so when she started acting up, I reminded her that she was Love's child. She astounded both of us by saying: "I don't belong to God!" And p.s. she calmed down after that, and behaved around me.

Love,

Francine

I LOVE SOMEONE WITH AUTISM

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sorry, sent that last before it was finished.

the child who doesn't respond to behavioral interventions because they can't control themselves is usually the child who genuinely NEEDS medication.

I LOVE SOMEONE WITH AUTISM

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Just to throw another perspective into this conversation - it has been proven in study after study that children (primarily those with mood disorders and adhd - which are comorbid in many spectrum kids) who are not or under medicated have an 75% (differing number in the studies but that is the median) will self medicate in some manner - including of course overeating, codependency, drug use or abuse, alcohol use, etc etc. That is the study that tipped us in favor of medicating sara after we tried the Feingold diet, supplements, therapy, workshops etc etc etc. Ally Fortney <afortney74@...> wrote: I disagree with that statement. Every child is different and will act differntlty. Medication can be a very important resource for child who need it. My son had to be placed on medication after I tried every other resouece from counceling to behavoir modification. There was a point where he was so uncontrollabe he was trying to jump out of the car when I would be driving. He would also run out of the house for no reason. Are you a medical Doctor? Rowell <nancyrowellfamily (DOT) plus.com> wrote: Hi Kim,>> my DD was diagnosed at age 5 and is 7 now but is not on anymedication.My son is now 19 and has never had *any* drugs,

other than one course of antibiotics for an ear infection, in his whole life. He is currently at the best university in the country.IMO there is an overuse of drugs, trying to 'normalise' kids. ASD is not caused by any chemical imbalance in the brain (as ADHD may be), and the things which can follow from the ASD - like anxiety or depression - are results of being in the wrong social environment, again not as a result of chemical imbalances. Hence drugs for these conditions do not work, or only seem to work for a short time, or make things worse. The best way to 'treat' is to change the social environment to something that is manageable to the person with ASD.>> One dr said unless the school felt it she needed it for class that> they would not do it.If a school told me my child needed drugs or they wouldn't have him in the classroom, then I'd change schools. It is them who need to change to

accomodate your child, not your child who needs to be drugged up so they can act 'normal'. in England Ally Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Travel to find your fit. ______________________________________________________________ "I want to be part of the solution. Not part of the agonizing, grinding, boring complacent problem..." Henry Rollins; From "I hate U2"

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Hi Francine, I agree with this in part. There are a lot of great things for relaxation - foods especially, and herbal supplements. However, as a caveat I think it is crucial for people to understand that if there is a mood disorder or actually any type of neuritis type condition this can exacerbate the problem. And under no circumstance should the two be mixed (meds and herbal supplements for the same condition). There are some excellent supplements for our kids - such as Magnesium/Calcium/Zinc (most spectrum kids are seriously deficient in these minerals), digestion helpers (I use probiotics), A quick rundown on a couple herbal remedies and what they are good for: Ashwagandha - Stress Reducer/Immune booster/Adaptogen Capsaicin - Cholesterol and Blood Pressure reducer can also be used as a topical

painkiller for arthritis Cinnamon - Normalizes blood sugar for diabetics Cocoa - Anti Inflammatory, Antioxidant - only works with dark chocolate with no added fructose or corn syrup Bromelaine and other enzymes - anti inflammatory - helps with trauma, arthritis, colitis - use 600mg a day Fenugreek - significantly lowers blood sugar and fats Ginger - thins the blood, lowers blood sugar, prevents nausea and anti inflammatory - use FRESH ginger in cooking or extracts standardized to 5% gingerols - when mixed with sugars etc such as cookies and pies this does not work. Ginseng - Some evidence that it may help regulate insulin, blood sugar and enhance immunity and adrenal function plus works as an adaptogen Green Tea- Has Polyphenols that boost liver detox, reduce cholesterol, inflammation and oxidative stress - also may prevent cancer and heart disease - and is thermogenic. Licorice

- Anti inflammatory - adrenal gland balancer, antiviral properties (this does not include candy licorice) Use Caution if you have high blood pressure or fluid retention. Milk Thistle - Improves liver function, increases synthesis of glutathione as an antioxidant and increases the rate of liver tissue regeration. jensunrose101@... wrote: St. 's Wort is very, very helpful for anxiety. I'd think it is okay for

kids, and would say to check on it first. It does all the things that something like Zoloft does, and yet it's a plant, and not prone to side effects. Another really tasty serotonin-blocker that works is raw cacao -- in other words: healthy chocolate, that does not seem to be addictive, and is -- in addition -- a 'superfood'. Even unsweetened, it is very appealing. We haven't sweetened it yet, and today we're planning to make a friend a birthday fudge out of it with macadamia nuts and honey. The cacao appears to have no side effects. It is the actual bean, and I grind it in a coffee grinder to a powder. I have also found prayer and discussing ideas of God to be extremely helpful, if not miraculous vis à vis school work.

Children are really responsive to the thought of this Love ever with them, that they can turn to for help, and get it. There is a wonderful book: talks with God about a four year's old experience. Never think that a child can't understand. A friend was babysitting for a little girl 2 1/2 on our block. [she happened to be the granddaughter of Gerald Jampolski who wrote (among other books) Love is Letting Go of Fear.] At the time though, we didn't know whether her parents were 'pro-God' so when she started acting up, I reminded her that she was Love's child. She astounded both of us by saying: "I don't belong to God!" And p.s. she calmed down after that, and behaved around me. Love, Francine In a message dated 1/17/2007 1:06:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, kmabarnes writes: <kaylabear599@...> wrote:>> my DD was diagnosed at age 5 and is 7 now but is not on any medication. > > One dr said unless the school felt it she needed it for class that> they would not do it. > > I know she has anixity (sp?) issues but don't know if I should> medicate her for it. > > Any advice would help > > Thanks> Kim ______________________________________________________________ "I want to be part of the solution. Not part of the agonizing, grinding, boring complacent problem..." Henry Rollins; From "I hate U2"

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Thank you everyone for your advice.

It sounds like it may really come down to me and what I believe is

best for her.

The main problem is that when she gets really bad she tends to hit and

I know she does not like to do that but she can not help it. She told

me once that she wanted to go to the dr because she did not want to

hit me anymore.

So far the school has said nothing because I do believe that they do

tend to over medicate the kids so I guess we will just take it one day

at a time

Thanks again

Kim

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Kim,

I suggest you do a lot of research before making a decision about

medications. I have been raising a grandduaghter with aspergers for

11 years. Any anxiety she has ever experienced was a direct result of

the school environment. There is NO SCIENTIFIC evidence to back up

the hypothesis that mental illness of any kind is caused by am

imbalance or brain chemicals. The group of drugs called benzodiines

which is what they prescribe for anxiety can cause permanent damage

to the central nervous system. They have never been approved for long

term use. All the psychiatric drugs that are being preceribed for

children are off label prescribing. In light of all the black box

warnings coming out, it amazes me that anyone would allow their child

to be put on these drugs. Have you noticed that you never see just

one drug prescribed. That is because the second and third drug

counter acts the side effects of the first and second. Go to this

site and do some research before you even consider it.

Peggy

http://www.breggin.com/index.html

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I'm with You .

I know I posted mentioning St. 's Wort, extremely popular in Europe. There are other things that improve the mood in the way St. 's and the drug Zoloft or Paxil, etc. do. They are called serotonin-blockers the drugs and the St. 's; and bananas and grapefruits.

If anyone's child is taking Zoloft, etc. ask your doctor about the foods that do the same thing.

We are finding raw cacao (chocolate beans) to be great. They (the cacao beans or nibs) grind into a nice powder and can be mixed with honey, agave nectar, carob powder, dates, blended with raisins, if you want to sweeten it. They are very high in anti-oxydants (that spelling doesn't look right?) and other good stuff.

It should be the raw cacao, and I'd grind it myself. The other chocolate is full of roaches, refined sugar, and who knows what else, elegant as it may look.

You can check it out at www.rawfood.com or put raw chocolate in at ebay or on search. The stuff is neat, tasty, good for you!

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>>All the psychiatric drugs that are being preceribed forchildren are off label prescribing. <<It is not just prescribing for children that is 'off-label'. Many of the so-called 'mood stabilisers' were actually licensed for other uses, and not for mood stabilisation. See New Scientist 15 April 2006 "The myth of 'mood stabilising' drugs".And do note that nobody knows what the long term effect of taking virtually all drugs is, especially those which are prescribed throughout childhood and adolescence, when the brain is still developing. in England

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>>All the psychiatric drugs that are being preceribed for

children are off label prescribing. <<

It is not just prescribing for children that is 'off-label'. Many of the

so-called 'mood stabilisers' were actually licensed for other uses, and not

for mood stabilisation. See New Scientist 15 April 2006 " The myth of 'mood

stabilising' drugs " .

And do note that nobody knows what the long term effect of taking virtually

all drugs is, especially those which are prescribed throughout childhood and

adolescence, when the brain is still developing.

in England

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,

You are absolutely right about this. In fact one of the reasons the

dangers of all psych meds have come to light is because when MD's

started prescribing them for chronic pain, PMS Etc. Etc. people with no

psych history started killing themselves, or committing violent acts.

They could no longer blame the persons so called psychiatric problems.

With all the lawsuits now against the drug companys alot of their so

called hidden trial results are coming to light. In some of the trials

they had to add the mood stabilizers because of the mania the

antidepressants were causing to keep them in the trials. The saddest

fact is they also discovered the antidepressants performed no better

than the placibos. Drugs like depakote, which is what they use as a

mood stbalizer was licensed for seizures. I have to admit I have a very

personal vendetta against these drugs. Two years ago my boyfriend hurt

his back. He did not have any insurance other the VA benefits. They put

him on vallium, xanax, percocet all at the same time. These three drugs

are not supposed to be prescribed together becasue they are central

nervous system depressants. Then he became depressed. Why wouldn't he.

He was still in pain, and being on three depressants. Then came the

zoloft and the depakote. Well he went manic. I don't want to get into

the ugly details but it was 6 months of hell. Here is the strangest

twist. It was my grandaughter (aspergers) who was the first to notice

something was wrong with him. As you know they teach them to read

facial expressions to understand social cues. She came to me and said

Whats wrong with Poppy? He doesn't smile at me anymore. Even when he is

oking with me his face doesn't smile. I had been noticing some things

but she was the one who really triggered me into asking him what he was

on. He told me is was none of my Fing business. This was when I knew

somethng was very wrong. He became very sexually premiscuious. One day

he came and told me and my granddaughter to get the f out of the house.

He met someone else he wanted to be with. He had only known this women

for a week. This is mania. He finally admitted he was on anti

depressants. When he showed me all the drugs I could not believe it. I

tried to show him information that the drugs he was on was causing

mania. I must have gotten through to him because he just stopped taking

them. This was not good because he went into full blown mania. I tried

to talk to the VA psych nurse who prescribed them but she refused to

talk with me. It took 6 weeks before he began to stabilize. This whole

episode was about 3 months total. It seemed like a year. When he was

finally normal and able to concentrate he read the information I gave

him. He was furious and confronted the nurse. It took him a year to be

able to taper off the vallium and xanax. Here is the best part of this

story. I mentioned in the begining this all started from back pain.

Never once did they take an xray, or MRI to see why he was in pain. I

finally got him out of the VA and into Boston. He had a ruptured disc,

and two herniated discs in his back. This is what is going on all over

this country. I truly believe that the pharmaceuticals have literally

taken over our medical standards of care.

Peggy

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I don't believe in the use of medication for OUR child.....He hasn't needed it as everything we have done for him - supps, gfcfsf diet, secretin, chelation, behavior modification and PATIENCE - has worked for him. I have taken meds before and they made me feel out of sorts and have brain fog. I swore that I wouldn't do that to Gabe. I am wondering to the parents who do have their children on a medicine, have they tried the natural forms of it? One of my friend's children is on the supp. lithium, not the prescribed med that some kids are on. He has a more even keel mood now.... no more crazy mood swings. I would never put my son on meds so that the school can feel more at ease. Never... I would also change schools. No one is going to tell me what to do with MY child. I don't think it is fair to ask if one is a medical doctor....... I DON"T HAVE MUCH TRUST FOR MEDICAL DOCTORS. After Gabe's diganosis, the trust for them went out the window. Except

for our DAN! doctor. I don't know alot of doctors. I do know a TON of parents who do their research and to me, are a thousand more times knowledgable because of their own personable experiences dealing with autism. I have found that my own research and talking with others in my same situation is far better than any medical doctors advice....... Half the time we are doing "nontraditional treatments", so I could care less what a med. doctor thinks anyways because most of the time our old ped never agreed with anything that we did for Gabe. Like treating colds homeopathically - we always did it, he wanted to treat it with antibiotics... every time. Just my opinion. Carlasunrose101@... wrote: I'm of the same opinion of in England, although I have tremendous sympathy for all of us! In a message dated 1/18/2007 12:05:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, afortney74 writes: I disagree with that statement. Every child is different and will act differntlty. Medication can be a very important resource for child who need it. My son had to be placed on medication after I tried every other resouece from counceling to behavoir

modification. There was a point where he was so uncontrollabe he was trying to jump out of the car when I would be driving. He would also run out of the house for no reason. Are you a medical Doctor? Rowell <nancyrowellfamily (DOT) plus.com> wrote: Hi Kim,>> my DD was diagnosed at age 5 and is 7 now but is not on anymedication.My son is now 19 and has never had *any* drugs, other than one course of antibiotics for an ear infection, in his whole life. He is currently at the best university in the country.IMO there is an overuse of drugs, trying to 'normalise' kids. ASD is not caused by any chemical imbalance in the brain (as ADHD may be), and the things which can follow from the ASD - like anxiety or depression - are results of being in the wrong social

environment, again not as a result of chemical imbalances. Hence drugs for these conditions do not work, or only seem to work for a short time, or make things worse. The best way to 'treat' is to change the social environment to something that is manageable to the person with ASD.>> One dr said unless the school felt it she needed it for class that> they would not do it.If a school told me my child needed drugs or they wouldn't have him in the classroom, then I'd change schools. It is them who need to change to accomodate your child, not your child who needs to be drugged up so they can act 'normal'. in England

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[Guest guest]

Actually, there's no indication that depakote can cause beards in

women. It can, however, cause varying degrees of hair LOSS.

It's possible that the person who received the beard had something

else going on, too. We'd like to think that the illnesses we have

exist in a vacuum, that if a person has, say, autism, that that's the

only thing that's wrong with their body. It's very possible that the

person had polycystic ovary syndrome or 's at the same time.

That said, I had a very bad reaction to Effexor that was not in the

books, either, but my situation came on rather abruptly within an

hour of taking the pill. Hair growth would have come on at a much

slower rate.

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On Jan 18, 2007, at 8:06 AM, sunrose101@... wrote:

> In a message dated 1/18/2007 12:05:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> laura_0375@... writes:

> Depakote

> for anyone who doesn't know: depakote can make females grow beards

>

>

[Guest guest]

i have tried melatonin for sleep (which did nothing) and someother thing for focus nothing also (forget the name for it was awhile ago.) i needed to give mine the meds which help but he metabolises things real quick.so not long lasting .my son if not on meds can literally destroy a house (holes in walls kicking furniture moving furniture knckoing things over ) i know there are behaviors thing u can do but i cant do alot i am one person and i also have 4 kids when he was first diagnosed(at 4) he was diagnosed adhd he was non stop movement and no sleep he existed on maybe 3 hrs sleep they didnt prescribe sleep meds then but did rx dexdrine which only helped for a few finding a med to help him is very hard to do .he pretty much has to take a cocktail to get a better mood he is mr hfautism adhd odd and suffers anxiety he takes half a clonidine ,.5repiradol,and 54 mg conderta in the am hafl of a conidine at 330 and 1

and a half clonidine and a 1. respiradal at 6 for bed if he didnt he would not sleep his bosy does not let him calm down enough to sleep.

it is hard for me to do a diet thing for he would not eat anything for so long the kid existed on maybe a bite of dinner and nothing for breakfast and maybe a bite at lunch i was shocked he acutally grew for how much he actually ate him and my other son were the same way with eating and they did not eat meat til about well michael(11) who i am referring to til about 6 and my derek (he is 13)around a yr and a half ago did he start to finally eat meat (his muscles in the mouth were not formed good enough to be able to chew the meat enough to swallow so he never could eat it ) diets are very hard like i said also cuz we do not have money to buy food we get food stamps but not much and most of the healthy food and so forth is to much money(like organicly grown ,with out added what ever all of that we are already on diets for high cholesterol).and the fact i have 4 kids and i would have to change everyones diet big time i do cut out

things i know arnt good for u like junk food .and the likes .now michael also gets into foods he has to have he loves nurtigrain bars ,and penut butter,jelly,pop tarts all of which i buy the generic of most of it is also like a i need it to go to sleep thing like at bedtime he will make a bowl of peanut butter to eat or a bowl of jelly not a sandwich or anything like that a bowl of it ) .but that is basically all i have tried concerning diets .and natural meds oh i have also tried chamomile tea and bathsoap and lotion to relax and massage wouldnt let me do the massage said it tickeld lol and nothing happend with the tea didnt make him calm or anyuthing .i like to do aromatherapy and stuff like the coors and so forth not to use in a bedroom and taking things(colors out of the room that would make u alert.anything makes him alert lol plus he wont sleep in his room he has to be near me to sleep he wont sleep away

from me i have struggled with bedtime and sleep since age 1 1/2.any ideas on that would be greatly appreciated . god sorry about the book i tend to ramble on cuz i usually forget what i was talking about in the first place lol

Re: Re: What if any medication does your child take

I don't believe in the use of medication for OUR child.....He hasn't needed it as everything we have done for him - supps, gfcfsf diet, secretin, chelation, behavior modification and PATIENCE - has worked for him. I have taken meds before and they made me feel out of sorts and have brain fog. I swore that I wouldn't do that to Gabe. I am wondering to the parents who do have their children on a medicine, have they tried the natural forms of it? One of my friend's children is on the supp. lithium, not the prescribed med that some kids are on. He has a more even keel mood now.... no more crazy mood swings. I would never put my son on meds so that the school can feel more at ease. Never... I would also change schools. No one is going to tell me what to do with MY child.

I don't think it is fair to ask if one is a medical doctor...... . I DON"T HAVE MUCH TRUST FOR MEDICAL DOCTORS. After Gabe's diganosis, the trust for them went out the window. Except for our DAN! doctor. I don't know alot of doctors. I do know a TON of parents who do their research and to me, are a thousand more times knowledgable because of their own personable experiences dealing with autism. I have found that my own research and talking with others in my same situation is far better than any medical doctors advice...... . Half the time we are doing "nontraditional treatments", so I could care less what a med. doctor thinks anyways because most of the time our old ped never agreed with anything that we did for Gabe. Like treating colds homeopathically - we always did it, he wanted to treat it with antibiotics. .. every time. Just my opinion. Carlasunrose101aol (DOT) com wrote:

I'm of the same opinion of in England, although I have tremendous sympathy for all of us!

In a message dated 1/18/2007 12:05:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, afortney74 (DOT) com writes:

I disagree with that statement. Every child is different and will act differntlty. Medication can be a very important resource for child who need it. My son had to be placed on medication after I tried every other resouece from counceling to behavoir modification. There was a point where he was so uncontrollabe he was trying to jump out of the car when I would be driving.

He would also run out of the house for no reason. Are you a medical Doctor? Rowell <nancyrowellfamily (DOT) plus.com> wrote:

Hi Kim,>> my DD was diagnosed at age 5 and is 7 now but is not on anymedication.My son is now 19 and has never had *any* drugs, other than one course of antibiotics for an ear infection, in his whole life. He is currently at the best university in the country.IMO there is an overuse of drugs, trying to 'normalise' kids. ASD is not caused by any chemical imbalance in the brain (as ADHD may be), and the things which can follow from the ASD - like anxiety or depression - are results of being in the wrong social environment, again not as a result of chemical imbalances. Hence drugs for these conditions do not work, or only seem to work for a short time, or make things worse. The best way to 'treat' is to change the social environment to something that is manageable to the person with ASD.>> One dr said unless the school felt it she needed it for class that> they would not do

it.If a school told me my child needed drugs or they wouldn't have him in the classroom, then I'd change schools. It is them who need to change to accomodate your child, not your child who needs to be drugged up so they can act 'normal'. in England

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