--lyme--herx

[Guest guest]

Can you describe your herx on ozone?

I've got a combination of systemic lyme and systemic candida. The

systemic candida was prior to lyme but wasn't as bad as it's gotten

since lyme slymed me. The systemic candida was the reason I couldn't

tolerate a lot of abx even in the beginning when I caught it.

I think a good deal of my reaction to the ozone was die off from

candida and maybe a little lyme. But it wasn't the " herx " reaction

as I know it--when I took abx, or do a lot of hyperbaric, I get

stiffer in my neck, achier in my muscles. Its very specific and

consistent. But the ozone did not do that. It started to clear up

candida symptoms but I expect my " blood " if they'd done a darkfield

analysis would have been " dirty " as Saul describes. Its the amount

of toxins and dead organisms flooding the body. I am going to have

to experiment with ways to detox that after a sauna session. It'll be

trial and error as to what works with my body. I am not too keen on

coffee enemas as no matter what anybody says, I suspect some of the

caffeine is absorbed and I don't do well with caffeine, it really

makes me jittery. But it may be that liver flushes and regular enemas

and charcoal on an as-needed basis, plus green juices, helps.

said herxes from lyme are attenuated on ozone because he

believes the ozone oxidizes the lyme toxins. This was a very

interesting idea s the lyme toxins are these lipid things, I forget

what they're called, but they are what's acknowledged to cause most

of our symptoms with lyme.

I also had this incredible craving for rare steak--I mean rare. I

ate it Saturday night and last night. It was definitely related to

the ozone.

[Guest guest]

Hi Jill

The herx I experience from ozone is exactly the same as the herx I

experience from other borrelia killing modalities. I begin to feel extra

fatigue/lethargy. I have gland pain under my arms and across my chest and

sometimes in my groin, my fibro pain is exacerbated, I get very sleepy and

can sometimes sleep up to 14hrs whereas I usually have insomnia, I have

joint pains and a sitff neck and often suffer heavy night sweats.

To sum up I feel like I have been poisoned which I probably have as killing

lyme releases extra toxins. I know this is not candida die off as I don't

have candida very badly anymore and I don't herx when taking anti candida

meds.

I'm not sure if ozone attenuates lyme herxes by oxidising the toxins. I

have always herxed badly on ozone and the herxes are dose dependent. I

haven't discovered anything yet to improve the herxes. FIR sauna helps a

tiny bit.

--lyme--herx

> Can you describe your herx on ozone?

>

> I've got a combination of systemic lyme and systemic candida. The

> systemic candida was prior to lyme but wasn't as bad as it's gotten

> since lyme slymed me. The systemic candida was the reason I couldn't

> tolerate a lot of abx even in the beginning when I caught it.

>

> I think a good deal of my reaction to the ozone was die off from

> candida and maybe a little lyme. But it wasn't the " herx " reaction

> as I know it--when I took abx, or do a lot of hyperbaric, I get

> stiffer in my neck, achier in my muscles. Its very specific and

> consistent. But the ozone did not do that. It started to clear up

> candida symptoms but I expect my " blood " if they'd done a darkfield

> analysis would have been " dirty " as Saul describes. Its the amount

> of toxins and dead organisms flooding the body. I am going to have

> to experiment with ways to detox that after a sauna session. It'll be

> trial and error as to what works with my body. I am not too keen on

> coffee enemas as no matter what anybody says, I suspect some of the

> caffeine is absorbed and I don't do well with caffeine, it really

> makes me jittery. But it may be that liver flushes and regular enemas

> and charcoal on an as-needed basis, plus green juices, helps.

>

> said herxes from lyme are attenuated on ozone because he

> believes the ozone oxidizes the lyme toxins. This was a very

> interesting idea s the lyme toxins are these lipid things, I forget

> what they're called, but they are what's acknowledged to cause most

> of our symptoms with lyme.

>

> I also had this incredible craving for rare steak--I mean rare. I

> ate it Saturday night and last night. It was definitely related to

> the ozone.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanx . Lyme is one nasty bug, isn't it? But do you feel you

are improving using these modalities?

[Guest guest]

> Exactly how much of what are you doing? Also, do the symptoms of

> lyme come and go? What I mean is even tho I'm sure you feel it in

> your body all the time, do some times you feel better than other

> times, and do you experience relapses with it?

Hi Gail

Yes I do feel better some times and relapse others. Relapses are generally

bought on by too much physical or mental activity but sometimes they just

happen too.

At the moment I am doing about 15mins of vaginal insufflation 3x a week and

some aural insufflation (not to kill the lyme atm but just for other

benefits), 2-3 sessions of rife on lyme frequencies only for about

1-2minutes each time because this induces heavy die of and herxes and also 2

x 30 minutes per week of FIR sauna. I hope to up the levels of ozone

gradually but I'm still really in the experimental stage atm seeing what

works for me.

When I first got my ozone generator I did more ozone but was suffering

horrendous herxes (3-4days long) from die off so I had to cut back as

herxing from lyme die off is hard on the liver and must be handled gradually

>

> Thanks,

>

> Gail

>

>

>

>

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