Guest guest Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 Re: colostrum " proof " > I tried Symbiotics (?) and Immune Tree. They have a lot of milk > sugar so that might have caused Dick's " belly problem " if he has > dysbiosis. Colostrum is as Nenah defined it but legally you are > allowed, I think, the first 3-7 days or something like that (I > learned this from Organic Pastures that sells it raw and fresh), so > it is at that piont transitional milk, with some pure colostrum and > some milk. ANd I'm sure that's what they sell in powdered form. So > for those with candida or dsybiosis perhaps it can have a somewhat > adverse affect. > > Some people I know feel it was very helpful. > > I've tried it raw too...but I find raw goat's milk just as good as > the colostrum and much cheaper. There are immunoglobulins and > enzymes in raw milk that are very healthy. > > I never tried transfer factor beause it's so expensive, and there > doesn't seem to be a simple one out there--they all are " targetted " > to various infections. And the lyme ones are made from rabbits by a > small lab and I don't trust that--there could be contamination. > > I agree that Dick is sounding very hostile. Sometimes people use > internet groups to randomly distribute their hostility when they are > sick or in bad moods. It happens on lyme boards a lot, but not too > often on this one. Jill, You raise some good points. Regarding your statement that all transfer factor products are " targeted, " that's not true. I'm a distributor for 4Life, which makes " regular " Transfer Factor in addition to products specifically " targeted " to the brain, heart, etc. The regular Transfer Factor increases the number of immune cells and makes them more efficient, whereas the targeted products increase the efficiency of the organs or glands that they are targeting. With the TF regular, I do well taking 1/2 capsule every other day (I open the capsule and sprinkle the contents on my tongue); so a $40.00 bottle lasts me the entire year. That's $ .75 a week. Regarding molecular structure and nutritional composition, goat and sheep milk are closer to human milk than cow milk is. For this reason, many people do better with milk products from smaller mammals. Of course, if you can get it raw it's even better. I don't do well with adulterated dairy (pasteurized and homogenized), whereas if it's raw, I can even tolerate cow products. Whether you're consuming colostrum OR transfer factor, you are right about the detox effect. If your body is detoxing -- which is the normal and expected response when the white blood cells get mobilized to do their job -- the person may have reactions such as headache, fatigue, stuffy nose, etc. This is especially true if the detox pathways are not clear. These products are POWERFUL. That's why it's good to prepare the system for the detoxing that will likely occur. Best, Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD *Information, products, and services related to healing* ======================================== THE HOLISTIC HANDBOOK OF SAUNA THERAPY is now available. Order this and also THE HANDBOOK OF RIFE FREQUENCY HEALING, at http://www.nenahsylver.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 Hi Jill. Immune Trees colostrum is collected in the first six hours making it pure colostrum with no milk dilution. I have really bad mucous responses to milk or cheese, even raw stuff and yet I don't get any of this from IT colostrum. Nenah does. So far she is the only one that I have seen have this. Well, actually alot of people have a little bit of sinus drainage for about 3-5 days but it passes and seems to be more of a cleansing response than a dairy response. Did you have a dairy type response to IT colostrum? If you did, then that would make two people so far, that I know with that reponse. Not common, but helps to know it can happen. Finding a source of consisitant raw colostrum can be challenging, just because it is such a prized commoditiy being only available for a few hours after birth. It's not like milk that can be gathered for months/years on end. Also, compared to $22 for a month of the dry stuff, the liquid can get very pricey when you include shipping. So for me, on a budget, the dry stuff is the best option, and I have not been disappointed with the results. Someone like Dick, though, might do better with the fresh frozen liquid. But maybe not. It's a trial and error game. Blessings Donna http://www.excellentthings.com jill1313 wrote: >I tried Symbiotics (?) and Immune Tree. They have a lot of milk >sugar so that might have caused Dick's " belly problem " if he has >dysbiosis. Colostrum is as Nenah defined it but legally you are >allowed, I think, the first 3-7 days or something like that (I >learned this from Organic Pastures that sells it raw and fresh), so >it is at that piont transitional milk, with some pure colostrum and >some milk. ANd I'm sure that's what they sell in powdered form. So >for those with candida or dsybiosis perhaps it can have a somewhat >adverse affect. > >Some people I know feel it was very helpful. > >I've tried it raw too...but I find raw goat's milk just as good as >the colostrum and much cheaper. There are immunoglobulins and >enzymes in raw milk that are very healthy. > >I never tried transfer factor beause it's so expensive, and there >doesn't seem to be a simple one out there--they all are " targetted " >to various infections. And the lyme ones are made from rabbits by a >small lab and I don't trust that--there could be contamination. > >I agree that Dick is sounding very hostile. Sometimes people use >internet groups to randomly distribute their hostility when they are >sick or in bad moods. It happens on lyme boards a lot, but not too >often on this one. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2004 Report Share Posted April 15, 2004 Hi Jill. Ornery. Love that. Made me chucke. On the six hour issue. This is Immune Trees main selling point. It is organic 6 hr colostrum. Their focus is pure colostrum. WITHOUT MILK.. This is why I chose them over others. They have independant lab tesing to show their purity, no hormones, pesticides, antibiotics, mad cow, etc. There are alot of companies out there, but IT is the only pure one. Well there are a few others, but they get theirs from IT, so I figure I will go direct to the source also. In addition they are willing to sell to me in kilos, which no one else is, so that works out for me. Their lable is actaully " Colostrum 6 " . Meaning collected in the first six hours. The cow produces huge amounts in that time, five times or more what the calf can use. So the calf is taken care of and the excess is saved. All the other companies I checked into collected between 12 and 72 hrs. NZ colostrum is mostly milk being collected all the way up to 72 hrs. So, tho it is clean, it is very diluted. I have quite a few customers who tried both and said they noticed nothing on the NZ stuff and noticed alot on the IT stuff. That's because the numbers are true. As a side note. Here is some info right off the label 1940's - colostrum used for rheumatoid arthritis and other diseases 1950's antibodies from colostrum used to create polio vaccine (not thrilled about that. chuckle) 1970's immunoglobulins used to combat viruses, bacteria and yeast infections 1980's colostral components, such as PRP, used for autoimmune situations 1990's colostrum found to inhibit the bacteris that cuses stomach ulcers 2000 igf-1 and other " natural " growth factors used for ANTI-AGING and enhanced immune response. True (first miling) Colostrum has been scientifically proven to be the most complete whole food, containing all the necessary vitamins, essential fatty acids minerals, amino acids, gowth and immune factors. Both conventional and non-conventional health practitioners have used this natural 'food' throughout history: Blessings Donna http://www.excellentthings.com jill1313 wrote: >Hi Donna, don't mean to be ornery here, but I'd have to do some >research before I accepted that " fact " (first six hours). First of >all, the baby (calf in this case) HAS to be given the colostrum >preferentially for a few hours. And I don't see how Immune Tree >could produce enough colostrum if they only used the first 6 hours. >It might be true, but then again it might not. Where is this fact >stated? I would be willing to do a little research in my journalist >mode to see what the reality is. As I said, both my goats milk famer >(whose colostrum is $50 for a small amount, and is supposedly >recommended by docs) and Organic Pastures, offer raw fresh colostrum, >but they definitely milk beyond the first 6 hours. > > > > >OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > >THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > >This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > >You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - >DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 Hi all, Just wondering if the transfer factor taste good? Could a 5 yr. old take it ? or colostrum?? she can't swallow pills or caps. Would colostrum cause excess growth as this girl is already large for her age?? But her immune system needs help. She has exzema, food alleries, is always sick. It seems like she doesn't get well before she is sick with something else. She has delayed learning too. Thanks for any help Joan Re: colostrum " proof " > > > > I tried Symbiotics (?) and Immune Tree. They have a lot of milk > > sugar so that might have caused Dick's " belly problem " if he has > > dysbiosis. Colostrum is as Nenah defined it but legally you are > > allowed, I think, the first 3-7 days or something like that (I > > learned this from Organic Pastures that sells it raw and fresh), so > > it is at that piont transitional milk, with some pure colostrum and > > some milk. ANd I'm sure that's what they sell in powdered form. So > > for those with candida or dsybiosis perhaps it can have a somewhat > > adverse affect. > > > > Some people I know feel it was very helpful. > > > > I've tried it raw too...but I find raw goat's milk just as good as > > the colostrum and much cheaper. There are immunoglobulins and > > enzymes in raw milk that are very healthy. > > > > I never tried transfer factor beause it's so expensive, and there > > doesn't seem to be a simple one out there--they all are " targetted " > > to various infections. And the lyme ones are made from rabbits by a > > small lab and I don't trust that--there could be contamination. > > > > I agree that Dick is sounding very hostile. Sometimes people use > > internet groups to randomly distribute their hostility when they are > > sick or in bad moods. It happens on lyme boards a lot, but not too > > often on this one. > > Jill, > You raise some good points. Regarding your statement that all transfer factor > products are " targeted, " that's not true. I'm a distributor for 4Life, which > makes " regular " Transfer Factor in addition to products specifically " targeted " > to the brain, heart, etc. The regular Transfer Factor increases the number of > immune cells and makes them more efficient, whereas the targeted products > increase the efficiency of the organs or glands that they are targeting. With > the TF regular, I do well taking 1/2 capsule every other day (I open the capsule > and sprinkle the contents on my tongue); so a $40.00 bottle lasts me the entire > year. That's $ .75 a week. > > Regarding molecular structure and nutritional composition, goat and sheep milk > are closer to human milk than cow milk is. For this reason, many people do > better with milk products from smaller mammals. Of course, if you can get it raw > it's even better. I don't do well with adulterated dairy (pasteurized and > homogenized), whereas if it's raw, I can even tolerate cow products. > > Whether you're consuming colostrum OR transfer factor, you are right about the > detox effect. If your body is detoxing -- which is the normal and expected > response when the white blood cells get mobilized to do their job -- the person > may have reactions such as headache, fatigue, stuffy nose, etc. This is > especially true if the detox pathways are not clear. These products are > POWERFUL. That's why it's good to prepare the system for the detoxing that will > likely occur. > > Best, > Nenah > > Nenah Sylver, PhD > *Information, products, and services related to healing* > ======================================== > THE HOLISTIC HANDBOOK OF SAUNA THERAPY > is now available. Order this and also > THE HANDBOOK OF RIFE FREQUENCY HEALING, > at http://www.nenahsylver.com > > > > > > > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > > THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > > This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > > You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - > DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2004 Report Share Posted May 16, 2004 Re: Re: colostrum " proof " > Hi all, > Just wondering if the transfer factor taste good? Could a 5 yr. old take it > ? or colostrum?? > she can't swallow pills or caps. Would colostrum cause excess growth as > this girl is already large for her age?? But her immune system needs help. > She has exzema, food alleries, is always sick. It seems like she doesn't > get well before she is sick with something else. She has delayed learning > too. > Thanks for any help > Joan Joan, The Transfer Factor from 4Life company is extracted from the colostrum, so it's quite pure. Transfer Factor would not cause " excess " growth; it solely works on strengthening the body's immune function. I love the taste of Transfer Factor. I open a capsule and dump half the powder on my tongue. It tastes kind of sweet. I think a child would like it. You could sprinkle it onto her food and she'd hardly know it's there. You can read about Transfer Factor, and order wholesale, by going to my website at http://www.nenahsylver.com/default.asp?contentID=717 & toplevel=598 Could you please describe the " delayed learning " ? I have some modalities in mind, but need to know more about what exactly is going on with the girl. Best, Nenah Nenah Sylver, PhD *Information, products, and services related to healing* ========================================= THE HOLISTIC HANDBOOK OF SAUNA THERAPY is now available. Order this and also THE HANDBOOK OF RIFE FREQUENCY HEALING, at http://www.nenahsylver.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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