Guest guest Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 Gail - Is this really true? Could you further explain how you know that this is happening. I'm not sure I really understand. Saul - are you really moderating each and every post and then NOT letting some thru?? Saul - Are you really censoring the messages? Carol >X-Originating-IP: [207.69.200.40] >X-MindSpring-Loop: carol@... >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-49733-40684-1081238451-carol=jshelton.com@... >X-Sender: wanda85929@... >X-Apparently-Oxyplus >Oxyplus_OffTopic >Cc: Oxyplus >X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.109.117.226 >From: Gail Naranjo <wanda85929@...> >X--Profile: wanda85929 >Mailing-List: list oxyplus ; contact >oxyplus-owner >Delivered-mailing list oxyplus >List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:oxyplus-unsubscribe > >Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 01:00:42 -0700 (PDT) >Subject: Feeling kind of sad >Reply-oxyplus > >Dear List, > >I'm writing to Oxyplus_OffTopic because I am feeling a >little sad and wondering if others are feeling the >same. I remember when this list was started and >always wondered why it never really did take off. > >The reason I'm feeling sad is because I noticed today >Saul has started moderating each individual post on >Oxyplus. I guess like he does on Ozonetherapy. Saul >said, when he wrote in telling us about Jim's death, >that the list would continue as it was and nothing >would change, everything would continue just as it >was. I don't understand why he felt a need to change >it. I miss Jim and I've often thought he would be >proud to see the list carry on in his name. It was >called Oxyplus and was ran by our fearless leader ><smile>, but it was our list, we the people. With >Saul censoring the posts, I'm afraid it will no longer >be our list rather it will become Saul's list. He >alone will determine if he wants to let a post go >through. Now I know a lot of moderators do that, but >with Jim, the beauty of his list was the freedom he >gave us to express outself. He let us post about >anything within his rules, and never censored us at >all. Oh, yes, there was also the famous " BUSTED " !!!, >but even that was part of his unique charm. I even >miss that. Now we will not even see that for if Saul >doesn't like a post, he just won't let it go through. >Guess I'm just feeling a little melancholy. I also >realize Jim intrusted Saul and highly respected him. > >I use to have a neighbor down the road who's wife >loved to garden. She had a beautiful lawn. She once >told me it was like therapy to her. She loved to work >in the yard. Then she died and her yard went to pot. >Her special touch went with her, when she went. I so >do not want to see that happen on the list, but >everybody has their own very special gifts that >another cannot replace. > >I get frustrated with moderated posts (yet I try to >understand the why, but really don't) because (at >least on Ozonetherapy) you write in asking a question, >then Saul has to decide if he will let the post go >through, then if he does, if somebody wants to >respond, they write in and Saul has to decide if he >will let the response go though so it usually takes >three days to get an answer from the time I asked >something to the time I get an answer. I'm sure that >is also the way it is on any list that is ran like >that, not just Saul's. I find that very frustrating, >and have often wondered how much we miss from posts >that were not allowed to go through. I usually >gravitated to Oxyplus just to avoid that. It's hard >to have a conversation when you have to wait so long >for a reply. Oh yeah, you can get a lot of good >information and facts, but personality that comes >through from volleying conversation back and forth is >lost in the censorship, and there's so much more than >just facts. Other stuff adds flavor to the >conversation and the list, imo. > >So I'm just kind of sad, and since I couldn't sleep >tonight, I thought I'd put a voice to my sadness. >Thanks for a place to do just that. I've also decided >to send a copy to Oxyplus in the hopes Saul will let >it go through and maybe even reconsider his decision >of censoring the list. > >Gail feeling sad tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 Morning Carol and Gail, There is a huge difference in moderating and censoring. Believe me, he is doing lots of work to protect the list. >Gail - Is this really true? Could you further explain how you know that >this is happening. I'm not sure I really understand. It is easy to tell by studying message headers. >Saul - are you really moderating each and every post and then NOT letting >some thru?? >Saul - Are you really censoring the messages? Again, moderating is one thing, censoring is another. I doubt that any censoring is being done. Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 Just a little FYI here. I belong to about 30 groups. (They get filtered by software to folders) anyway about 6 groups have double the traffic we have here. Sometimes it is 10 hrs. when everyone is home and a holiday. The volume is just to much to to do efficiently. Each group server moves to its own drummer, for the other smaller groups continue to be quick. Ron Feeling kind of sad > >Reply-oxyplus > > > >Dear List, > > > >I'm writing to Oxyplus_OffTopic because I am feeling a > >little sad and wondering if others are feeling the > >same. I remember when this list was started and > >always wondered why it never really did take off. > > > >The reason I'm feeling sad is because I noticed today > >Saul has started moderating each individual post on > >Oxyplus. I guess like he does on Ozonetherapy. Saul > >said, when he wrote in telling us about Jim's death, > >that the list would continue as it was and nothing > >would change, everything would continue just as it > >was. I don't understand why he felt a need to change > >it. I miss Jim and I've often thought he would be > >proud to see the list carry on in his name. It was > >called Oxyplus and was ran by our fearless leader > ><smile>, but it was our list, we the people. With > >Saul censoring the posts, I'm afraid it will no longer > >be our list rather it will become Saul's list. He > >alone will determine if he wants to let a post go > >through. Now I know a lot of moderators do that, but > >with Jim, the beauty of his list was the freedom he > >gave us to express outself. He let us post about > >anything within his rules, and never censored us at > >all. Oh, yes, there was also the famous " BUSTED " !!!, > >but even that was part of his unique charm. I even > >miss that. Now we will not even see that for if Saul > >doesn't like a post, he just won't let it go through. > >Guess I'm just feeling a little melancholy. I also > >realize Jim intrusted Saul and highly respected him. > > > >I use to have a neighbor down the road who's wife > >loved to garden. She had a beautiful lawn. She once > >told me it was like therapy to her. She loved to work > >in the yard. Then she died and her yard went to pot. > >Her special touch went with her, when she went. I so > >do not want to see that happen on the list, but > >everybody has their own very special gifts that > >another cannot replace. > > > >I get frustrated with moderated posts (yet I try to > >understand the why, but really don't) because (at > >least on Ozonetherapy) you write in asking a question, > >then Saul has to decide if he will let the post go > >through, then if he does, if somebody wants to > >respond, they write in and Saul has to decide if he > >will let the response go though so it usually takes > >three days to get an answer from the time I asked > >something to the time I get an answer. I'm sure that > >is also the way it is on any list that is ran like > >that, not just Saul's. I find that very frustrating, > >and have often wondered how much we miss from posts > >that were not allowed to go through. I usually > >gravitated to Oxyplus just to avoid that. It's hard > >to have a conversation when you have to wait so long > >for a reply. Oh yeah, you can get a lot of good > >information and facts, but personality that comes > >through from volleying conversation back and forth is > >lost in the censorship, and there's so much more than > >just facts. Other stuff adds flavor to the > >conversation and the list, imo. > > > >So I'm just kind of sad, and since I couldn't sleep > >tonight, I thought I'd put a voice to my sadness. > >Thanks for a place to do just that. I've also decided > >to send a copy to Oxyplus in the hopes Saul will let > >it go through and maybe even reconsider his decision > >of censoring the list. > > > >Gail feeling sad tonight. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2004 Report Share Posted April 7, 2004 It happened on all lists, everyone is complaining about it so it wasn't just this list. Check out some of your other lists and see. Gale ^i^ http://www.orgone.biz When the mind is freed there is no longer use for a body! Feeling kind of sad > >Reply-oxyplus > > > >Dear List, > > > >I'm writing to Oxyplus_OffTopic because I am feeling a > >little sad and wondering if others are feeling the > >same. I remember when this list was started and > >always wondered why it never really did take off. > > > >The reason I'm feeling sad is because I noticed today > >Saul has started moderating each individual post on > >Oxyplus. I guess like he does on Ozonetherapy. Saul > >said, when he wrote in telling us about Jim's death, > >that the list would continue as it was and nothing > >would change, everything would continue just as it > >was. I don't understand why he felt a need to change > >it. I miss Jim and I've often thought he would be > >proud to see the list carry on in his name. It was > >called Oxyplus and was ran by our fearless leader > ><smile>, but it was our list, we the people. With > >Saul censoring the posts, I'm afraid it will no longer > >be our list rather it will become Saul's list. He > >alone will determine if he wants to let a post go > >through. Now I know a lot of moderators do that, but > >with Jim, the beauty of his list was the freedom he > >gave us to express outself. He let us post about > >anything within his rules, and never censored us at > >all. Oh, yes, there was also the famous " BUSTED " !!!, > >but even that was part of his unique charm. I even > >miss that. Now we will not even see that for if Saul > >doesn't like a post, he just won't let it go through. > >Guess I'm just feeling a little melancholy. I also > >realize Jim intrusted Saul and highly respected him. > > > >I use to have a neighbor down the road who's wife > >loved to garden. She had a beautiful lawn. She once > >told me it was like therapy to her. She loved to work > >in the yard. Then she died and her yard went to pot. > >Her special touch went with her, when she went. I so > >do not want to see that happen on the list, but > >everybody has their own very special gifts that > >another cannot replace. > > > >I get frustrated with moderated posts (yet I try to > >understand the why, but really don't) because (at > >least on Ozonetherapy) you write in asking a question, > >then Saul has to decide if he will let the post go > >through, then if he does, if somebody wants to > >respond, they write in and Saul has to decide if he > >will let the response go though so it usually takes > >three days to get an answer from the time I asked > >something to the time I get an answer. I'm sure that > >is also the way it is on any list that is ran like > >that, not just Saul's. I find that very frustrating, > >and have often wondered how much we miss from posts > >that were not allowed to go through. I usually > >gravitated to Oxyplus just to avoid that. It's hard > >to have a conversation when you have to wait so long > >for a reply. Oh yeah, you can get a lot of good > >information and facts, but personality that comes > >through from volleying conversation back and forth is > >lost in the censorship, and there's so much more than > >just facts. Other stuff adds flavor to the > >conversation and the list, imo. > > > >So I'm just kind of sad, and since I couldn't sleep > >tonight, I thought I'd put a voice to my sadness. > >Thanks for a place to do just that. I've also decided > >to send a copy to Oxyplus in the hopes Saul will let > >it go through and maybe even reconsider his decision > >of censoring the list. > > > >Gail feeling sad tonight. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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