Re: Ron: Fulvic Minerals

[Guest guest]

> Hi Ron. I checked them out and found this statement inspiring.

> " Fulvic acid, when extracted and concentrated, provides an

immediate

> and intense boost to the immune system, and has been shown in

world wide

> research to be effective in treating a wide range of diseases. "

>

>

> Blessings

> Donna

I have followed your comments on fulvic acid and how quick it works

for you. Since you are so impressed with it, could you provide free

samples to us to try before we buy, once you start selling it that

is? I would hate to waste money on another worthless product like

colostrum.

Dick

[Guest guest]

Hey dude,

What's with the extreme confrontational tone of your post?

Dennis

bjs17792001 wrote:

>

>

>

>> Hi Ron. I checked them out and found this statement inspiring.

>> " Fulvic acid, when extracted and concentrated, provides an

>>

>>

>immediate

>

>

>>and intense boost to the immune system, and has been shown in

>>

>>

>world wide

>

>

>>research to be effective in treating a wide range of diseases. "

>>

>>

>>Blessings

>>Donna

>>

>>

>

>I have followed your comments on fulvic acid and how quick it works

>for you. Since you are so impressed with it, could you provide free

>samples to us to try before we buy, once you start selling it that

>is? I would hate to waste money on another worthless product like

>colostrum.

>

>

>

>Dick

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

> Hey dude,

>

> What's with the extreme confrontational tone of your post?

>

> Dennis

>

You got to be kidding, right? If not, I tend to think vendors here

are open game for a little grief here and there. I don't make a

habit out of it...so relax young man. If the moderator here wants to

admonsish me or if Donna wants to bite my leg over this, that is

fine. Otherwise, I don't see why you repied.

Dick

[Guest guest]

Well, hell's bells, I'll reply too. I think Dennis is right. Your

comment was unwarranted.

> > Hey dude,

> >

> > What's with the extreme confrontational tone of your post?

> >

> > Dennis

> >

>

> You got to be kidding, right? If not, I tend to think vendors here

> are open game for a little grief here and there. I don't make a

> habit out of it...so relax young man. If the moderator here wants

to

> admonsish me or if Donna wants to bite my leg over this, that is

> fine. Otherwise, I don't see why you repied.

>

> Dick

[Guest guest]

Dick Wrote:

I have followed your comments on fulvic acid and how quick it works

for you. Since you are so impressed with it, could you provide free

samples to us to try before we buy, once you start selling it that

is? I would hate to waste money on another worthless product like

colostrum.

Dick

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Dick.

You know, I have done that with other products. But with a liquid, I

don't see that as being

a realistic option. In addition, I think you would need more than a

small sample to really

know if it is a product that works for you. As I said earlier. Nothing

works first time every

time for everyone. But looking at the science behind this product, and

knowing that minerals

are foundational for health, I felt like it was worth trying; even tho

my own income is quite low.

And I am glad I did, because for me it is remarkably helpful.

On the subject of colostrum being a worthless product. Well that is

just not true. It may be

that you tried it and did not feel it did anything for you, but

multitudes of others have found

it to be EXTREMELY worthwhile. I get very expressive, enthusiastic

thanks you's from people

on a regular basis regarding colostrum, because it is life changing for

so many people. I'm

sorry if that was not your experience. The science and clinical tests

are there to back up the

benefits that I and others have experienced from colostrum.

Sincerely

Donna

http://www.excellentthings.com

>>>

>>>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I have followed your comments on fulvic acid and how quick it works

> for you. Since you are so impressed with it, could you provide free

> samples to us to try before we buy, once you start selling it that

> is? I would hate to waste money on another worthless product like

> colostrum.

Hey Dick,

Don't know where this came from, but Colostrum is AWESOME. Of course,

like anything else, it is possible to buy a worthless BRAND of

colostrum, but that doesn't mean they're ALL bad.

It would behoove you to be more precise in your speech.

[Guest guest]

I want to jump in here and say I read that, although the body may seem to

take to a certain product quickly, as in " I felt better the next day " , that

changes happen slowly. One source said, a minimum of 90 days, then add 1

month for every year of chronic illness. So for 15yrs. of " X " that computes

to 15mo., plus the standard 90 days, for a total of 18mos. of therapy. Of

course this is an estimate, but it just goes to show that you spend 30 to

40yrs. of abusing your body and it isn't going to snap back in a month or

one bottles worth of product. Those 30+ yrs. have had a chance to reach and

alter every cell in your body.

Ron

Hi Dick.

You know, I have done that with other products. But with a liquid, I

don't see that as being

a realistic option. In addition, I think you would need more than a

small sample to really

know if it is a product that works for you. As I said earlier. Nothing

works first time every

time for everyone. But looking at the science behind this product, and

knowing that minerals

are foundational for health, I felt like it was worth trying; even tho

my own income is quite low.

And I am glad I did, because for me it is remarkably helpful.

On the subject of colostrum being a worthless product. Well that is

just not true. It may be

that you tried it and did not feel it did anything for you, but

multitudes of others have found

it to be EXTREMELY worthwhile. I get very expressive, enthusiastic

thanks you's from people

on a regular basis regarding colostrum, because it is life changing for

so many people. I'm

sorry if that was not your experience. The science and clinical tests

are there to back up the

benefits that I and others have experienced from colostrum.

Sincerely

Donna

http://www.excellentthings.com

[Guest guest]

I'd like to know why Dick said that colostrum was worthless? If it is, then I

guess he told it like it is. My guess is that it isn't worthless, but that it

didn't help him with whatever he was taking it for. I bought a bottle or two of

ImmuneTree colostrum from Donna awhile back to see if it would help with

sinus/lung congestion. I didn't notice any improvement and chalked that up to

either needing to take it in larger quantities or that it just wasn't effective

in my instance. I have been considering buying a larger quantity, especially

since it is reputed to aid in muscle development for bodybuilders.

I don't think there are any bodybuilders on this list that can chime in here,

but maybe all those who have taken colostrum for any reason can report on their

experiences using it.

And Dick, you really should try to be less of one and stay in our good graces.

We're all about helping each other.

Corny

Re: Ron: Fulvic Minerals

Well, hell's bells, I'll reply too. I think Dennis is right. Your

comment was unwarranted.

> > Hey dude,

> >

> > What's with the extreme confrontational tone of your post?

> >

> > Dennis

> >

>

> You got to be kidding, right? If not, I tend to think vendors here

> are open game for a little grief here and there. I don't make a

> habit out of it...so relax young man. If the moderator here wants

to

> admonsish me or if Donna wants to bite my leg over this, that is

> fine. Otherwise, I don't see why you repied.

>

> Dick

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[Guest guest]

>

> Don't know where this came from, but Colostrum is AWESOME. Of

course,

> like anything else, it is possible to buy a worthless BRAND of

> colostrum, but that doesn't mean they're ALL bad.

>

> It would behoove you to be more precise in your speech.

>

>

Fair enough. What brand did you use? I don't know where you all were

at for the last few years, but I didn't see any positive comments

about the stuff expect for Jim and he is gone. In fact there were

mostly neutral to negative comments about a certain brand here as I

remember. The " best " there was only gave me belly aches.

You yourself might want to expand on the word AWESOME for what it

did for you.

Dick

[Guest guest]

> I want to jump in here and say I read that, although the body may

seem to

> take to a certain product quickly, as in " I felt better the next

day " , that

> changes happen slowly. One source said, a minimum of 90 days,

then add 1

> month for every year of chronic illness. So for 15yrs. of " X "

that computes

> to 15mo., plus the standard 90 days, for a total of 18mos. of

therapy. Of

> course this is an estimate, but it just goes to show that you

spend 30 to

> 40yrs. of abusing your body and it isn't going to snap back in a

month or

> one bottles worth of product. Those 30+ yrs. have had a chance to

reach and

> alter every cell in your body.

> Ron

That is basically what naturopaths say and what Saul has spoken

about too. I have taken products that sure seemed to perk me up in

every respect, but it always lets you down after a short period of

time. That is why I am starting to despise 'hype' in a big way

because I think you can only trick the mind with hype for a short

period of time.

Dick

[Guest guest]

> On the subject of colostrum being a worthless product. Well that

is

> just not true. It may be

> that you tried it and did not feel it did anything for you, but

> multitudes of others have found

> it to be EXTREMELY worthwhile. I get very expressive,

enthusiastic

> thanks you's from people

> on a regular basis regarding colostrum, because it is life

changing for

> so many people. I'm

> sorry if that was not your experience. The science and clinical

tests

> are there to back up the

> benefits that I and others have experienced from colostrum.

>

> Sincerely

> Donna

> http://www.excellentthings.com

>

You are a sweet gal Donna.

However, show us the clinical tests from an independent source that

does not sell colostrum or is affiliated with colostrum.

Dick

[Guest guest]

>

> I don't think there are any bodybuilders on this list that can

chime in here, but maybe all those who have taken colostrum for any

reason can report on their experiences using it.

Bodybuilders don't use it because it is a very expensive form of

protien and they don't see any significant side effect advantages.

That is what I have read from the muscle sites.

>

> And Dick, you really should try to be less of one and stay in our

good graces. We're all about helping each other.

>

> Corny

Don't worry Corny, in a 1000 years nobody will care if I am in your

good graces.

Dick

[Guest guest]

>> Don't know where this came from, but Colostrum is AWESOME. Of

>> course, like anything else, it is possible to buy a worthless BRAND of

>> colostrum, but that doesn't mean they're ALL bad.

>>

>> It would behoove you to be more precise in your speech.

> Fair enough. What brand did you use?

ImmuneTree.

> I don't know where you all were

> at for the last few years, but I didn't see any positive comments

> about the stuff expect for Jim and he is gone.

I've been a member of this list since it's inception (7? 8 yrs ago?),

and have seen NUMEROUS positive comments about colostrum. In fact, I

really don't recall any negatives, but I'm sure there were a few.

> The " best " there was only gave me belly aches.

Could have been any number of things. Could have been that your body is

so toxic that it caused a major cleansing reaction, whjich dumped a

bunch of toxins into your stomach, which gave you your 'belly ache'.

It is also possible that you were allergic in some way.

Bottom line, though, just because something doesn't work for YOU doesn't

make it WORTHLESS.

> You yourself might want to expand on the word AWESOME for what it

> did for you.

Well.... it helped me (I consider it a MAJOR factor) to lose 120 lbs,

and I always felt great while taking it. I stopped, though, but have

been seriously considering starting up again, thanks to your comments

reminding me how good I felt while taking it.

Thanks for triggering the memories...

[Guest guest]

Re: Ron: Fulvic Minerals

Well, hell's bells, I'll reply too. I think Dennis is right. Your

comment was unwarranted.

> > Hey dude,

> >

> > What's with the extreme confrontational tone of your post?

> >

> > Dennis

> >

>

> You got to be kidding, right? If not, I tend to think vendors here

> are open game for a little grief here and there. I don't make a

> habit out of it...so relax young man. If the moderator here wants

to

> admonsish me or if Donna wants to bite my leg over this, that is

> fine. Otherwise, I don't see why you repied.

>

> Dick

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[Guest guest]

Hi Ron. This is excellent info. Since I have been physically

challenged for 15 years, it is a perfect

estimate for me. Smile.

On the 30-40 years of abusing the body issue. You know, when I got ill,

I was one of the

most health disciplined people I knew. I ate well, lots of veges and

some fruit and good meats and

whole grains. I walked long distance daily in the mountains in AZ,

where Gail (Wanda) lives. No

air polution. I played racquet ball a few night a week. I took a few

minor supplements, like vit c

and A, D and E. And come Cal/Mag.

I loved life and loved people and laughed alot. I mean ALOT. Still

do. Avoided sugar and

household poisons. Didn't smoke, didn't chew, didn't drink. And

inspite of all this I started to

feel tired. Unexplainedly tired. I didn't go to a doc because I just

wasn't a person who went to

doctors. Never had to because I was never ill. I could not think of

any reason why I was tired

and had never heard of cfs or E.Barr and just pushed myself. I got

impatient with tiredness and

for some illogical reason I thought I could push past it. In fact, in

my prayer time I kept feeling

like I was being told to rest. Every time I opened up my bible (daily)

it would fall open to a page

with a verse that said, " be careful to enter into the rest of the

Lord. " and I would go into

overspiritual mode and think, " What is he trying to tell me?' LOL.

He was telling me to rest.

So, instead I went out and played racquet ball in the day time in

Phoenix in the summer, with temps

over 110 (August) and the next day I crashed a burned, and burned and

burned and burned, with

the result that I could not even sit up for over a year. I came very

close to death daily for several

months.

So, what was the problem. It was a mystery to me and to all, until I

got on the net and started

reading. I now believe I had mercury poisoning. I had flawless health

until I was 22 and had some

cavities filled. Cavities which were so small they could not be seen

with the naked eye, but which

the dentist felt compelled to drill into huge holes and fill with

mercury. After that I noticed some

neuro problems, but never connected it with the dental work. Didn't

know they put mercury

in my mouth. Thought it was silver alone.

Now I now that I could have taken steps to kill the bacteria and my

teeth would have healed

and would be flawless today. I haven't had a cavity since then. The

only reason I had them then

was that I had, had a child and had not had adequate calicum/magesium

supplementation. Previous

to that I had no cavities.

I believe the mercury affected not only my nervous system, but my bowel,

making me intolerant of grains.

And since I ate whole grains, I was poisoning myself daily.

And I believe there are quite a few people out there fighting serous

illness who didn't lead lifestyles that

led to it. Healthy people who lived clean and got bit by a tick, for

instance.

Cases like mine are harder to deal with because, when you have lived as

clean as I did and you get sick

then it must all be emotional or mental. You know you are not a mental

case, but others don't and you

feel it. Not fun.

Anyway, just rambling here. The good news is that even tho I still have

the fillings in my mouth, I am ever

increasing in health and intend to be one of those people like

Sherri-Lee who is well inspite of it. I have

no other options. I don't have the $ to change them out and don't have

confidence that if I did it would be

better. Some day I will, but I expect to be totally well when I do, so

that it doesn't make me sick again.

Just chatting

Donna

http://www.excellentthings.com

Ron Petruccione wrote:

>I want to jump in here and say I read that, although the body may seem to

>take to a certain product quickly, as in " I felt better the next day " , that

>changes happen slowly. One source said, a minimum of 90 days, then add 1

>month for every year of chronic illness. So for 15yrs. of " X " that computes

>to 15mo., plus the standard 90 days, for a total of 18mos. of therapy. Of

>course this is an estimate, but it just goes to show that you spend 30 to

>40yrs. of abusing your body and it isn't going to snap back in a month or

>one bottles worth of product. Those 30+ yrs. have had a chance to reach and

>alter every cell in your body.

>Ron

>

>Hi Dick.

>

>You know, I have done that with other products. But with a liquid, I

>don't see that as being

>a realistic option. In addition, I think you would need more than a

>small sample to really

>know if it is a product that works for you. As I said earlier. Nothing

>works first time every

>time for everyone. But looking at the science behind this product, and

>knowing that minerals

>are foundational for health, I felt like it was worth trying; even tho

>my own income is quite low.

>And I am glad I did, because for me it is remarkably helpful.

>

>On the subject of colostrum being a worthless product. Well that is

>just not true. It may be

>that you tried it and did not feel it did anything for you, but

>multitudes of others have found

>it to be EXTREMELY worthwhile. I get very expressive, enthusiastic

>thanks you's from people

>on a regular basis regarding colostrum, because it is life changing for

>so many people. I'm

>sorry if that was not your experience. The science and clinical tests

>are there to back up the

>benefits that I and others have experienced from colostrum.

>

>Sincerely

>Donna

>http://www.excellentthings.com

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dick. I try. Smile

Regarding clinical tests and independant sources, Oh my goodness, there

are loads of them

Colostrum is well researched and is a product that is considered a

'crossover' product. In other words it is well revered by allopaths and

natural health

people alike and has multitudes of scientific " medical " papers behind

it. It has been

used in agriculture since the dawn of time to strengthen weak farm

animals. Humans

just got a clue recently. But you can go to any colostrum site and find

multitudes of

reference to medical reports and science reports. Colostrums immune

factors

and growth factors are well known medically and scientifically. You can

do a little

research yourself and find these. None of them were done by purveyers

of the product

but they are referenced by them, with good reason.

Still doesn't mean it works first time everytime for everyone. Wish it

did. Those of us

who have had great benefit from it would like to see all benefit from

it. I want everyone

to win.

Blessings

Donna

>

>You are a sweet gal Donna.

>

>However, show us the clinical tests from an independent source that

>does not sell colostrum or is affiliated with colostrum.

>

>

>Dick

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dick wrote:

>That is basically what naturopaths say and what Saul has spoken

>about too. I have taken products that sure seemed to perk me up in

>every respect, but it always lets you down after a short period of

>time. That is why I am starting to despise 'hype' in a big way

>because I think you can only trick the mind with hype for a short

>period of time.

>

>Dick

>

Hi Dick. I am wondering if you read the fulvic acid link I posted

yesterday or the day before relating to low battery

focus? I think it fit me and it might fit you also and might explain

a little of your personal

experience with products. If you haven't read it, would you? And then

share your thoughts?

Thanks

Donna

http://www.excellentthings.com

[Guest guest]

Re: Ron: Fulvic Minerals

Well, hell's bells, I'll reply too. I think Dennis is right. Your

comment was unwarranted.

> > Hey dude,

> >

> > What's with the extreme confrontational tone of your post?

> >

> > Dennis

> >

>

> You got to be kidding, right? If not, I tend to think vendors here

> are open game for a little grief here and there. I don't make a

> habit out of it...so relax young man. If the moderator here wants

to

> admonsish me or if Donna wants to bite my leg over this, that is

> fine. Otherwise, I don't see why you repied.

>

> Dick

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[Guest guest]

Yes, but it's only the next 900 years that I'm concerned about. I will follow

up on your colostrum/bodybuilder report. Thanks for the imput.

Corny

Re: Ron: Fulvic Minerals

>

> I don't think there are any bodybuilders on this list that can

chime in here, but maybe all those who have taken colostrum for any

reason can report on their experiences using it.

Bodybuilders don't use it because it is a very expensive form of

protien and they don't see any significant side effect advantages.

That is what I have read from the muscle sites.

>

> And Dick, you really should try to be less of one and stay in our

good graces. We're all about helping each other.

>

> Corny

Don't worry Corny, in a 1000 years nobody will care if I am in your

good graces.

Dick

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[Guest guest]

>Somebody wrote this:

>

Bodybuilders don't use it because it is a very expensive form of protien

and they don't see any significant side effect advantages.

That is what I have read from the muscle sites.

### I would have to say that they must have not used IT colostrum or they didn't

use enough. I have one guy who buys

6 kilos from me at a time for himself and his fellow body builders because it is

working so well for them. They are

in the 50 range and with less growth hormone circulating you get less effect

from the same exercise you did

when you were 30. They have found that colostrum increase their growth factors

enough that they once again see good

benefits from their workouts.

I get alot of repeat business from body builders who have tried " Bulking " type

products without benefit and then

tried IT colostrum with great benefit.

My own experience is that I had major muscle atrophy in lower legs from long

term bedfastness and inactivity after that

and after a few months on IT colostrum with NO leg exercise I had fabuluous calf

muscles. My whole body was

bery toned without exercise.

Once again. Nothing works first time everytime for everyone. But colostrum

works for alot of people.

Blessings

Donna

http://www.excellentthings.com