You're right, DOMS aren't always a good tool for how effective a workout is

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Even Noel will say that the more aerobicky weight workouts might make you sore,

but that's not what builds muscle mass most effectively.

I've seen him and his clients and know that what he does WORKS and I need to be

pushed in order to acheive my goals, I just won't do it on my own.