Mandi

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>>I'm sorry Chriso I don't know, Sam doesn;t tantrum or self harm, he gets aggressive with those around him born I think of frustration and having no idea why he feels like he does. Do you think its puberty for Stephanos?

Mandi x

In a message dated 14/05/2010 20:08:55 GMT Daylight Time, tryfonas@... writes:

What alternatives do we have to avoid medication to help control tantrums and self aggression?its a difficult time at the moment for us...?

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Are you sure he is tolerating all the supps you are giving? Does he suffer from reflux, gas, ?

Are there any particular times when he has and episode, after eating? before eating? Do you have a supplement and food diary to monitor any reactions even from supplements that have been used for a while. cannot tolerate all probio's or all fish oils or B Vits. Are you using enzymes, does he have a problem with fats or carbs, citrus fruits?

Vicky In a message dated 14/05/2010 21:28:12 GMT Daylight Time, tryfonas@... writes:

5 HTP is in 2 in the morning with theanine,, fish oil, Probios, charcoal at night just before bed and oxy first thing to get toxins out during the day... The Lithium Orotate is the kinder Lithium lets say....[ i know that there are 2 types, one that works like a homeopathy med....]I havent seen any difference although the 5 htp has been given to Stephanos for over 2 years now. the Lithium just recently but i am missing an episode cause he just gets mad with himself and brusies his thighs from the hits and goes for his head too..... Its painful to not be able to comfort him anymore with kisses and cuddles..... dont know what to do...regards

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ChrisoDo you give him any calmers like 5HTP or Lithium Orotate as those have worked wonders on my boys (and me!). Have you done a stool test recently to check for inflammation? Have you tried the SCD diet to see if that helps or had food intolerance testing done?I know it's hard but it will get better...Autism Treatment From: Mum231ASD@...Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:21:27 -0400Subject: Re: Mandi

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>>I'm sorry Chriso I don't know, Sam doesn;t tantrum or self harm, he gets aggressive with those around him born I think of frustration and having no idea why he feels like he does. Do you think its puberty for Stephanos?

Mandi x

In a message dated 14/05/2010 20:08:55 GMT Daylight Time, tryfonascytanet.cy writes:

What alternatives do we have to avoid medication to help control tantrums and self aggression?its a difficult time at the moment for us...?

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Maybe these two herbs might help, you could also look into camomile.

Valerian

http://www.allsuperfoods.com/health-benefits-of-valerian-root.php

Skullcaphttp://www.age-oldherbs.com/skullcap.php

HTH

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> Autism Treatment > From: tryfonas@...> Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 23:22:02 +0300> Subject: Mandi> > I am not sure if it is or not, but what ever it is, i would prefer a natural form of something rather than risperdal....there has to be something, like gaba, or the Bach flowers[ have i spelt that wrong].... > I am really quite frustrated at the self injury and sometimes his aggressiveness to his sister, not fair for anybody. I want to continue with all the diets the supps , hbot etc but this aggression is a major issue, i cant leave him at school incase he gets tantrumy, i cant go to work i am grounded which is not good BUT the worst is watching him hit himself and not knowing WHY so i can help.....> Love Desperate chriso> > > Re: Mandi> Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:21:27 EDT> > >>I'm sorry Chriso I don't know, Sam doesn;t tantrum or self harm, he gets > > aggressive with those around him born I think of frustration and having no > > idea why he feels like he does. Do you think its puberty for Stephanos?> > > > Mandi x> > > > > > In a message dated 14/05/2010 20:08:55 GMT Daylight Time, > > tryfonas@... writes:> > > > What alternatives do we have to avoid medication to help control tantrums > > and self aggression?> > its a difficult time at the moment for us...?> > > > > > > ------------------------------------> > DISCLAIMER> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.>

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Re: Mandi

Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 16:35:57 EDT

>

> Are you sure he is tolerating all the supps you are giving? NEVER HAD A PROB

BEFORE WITH HIS SUPPS

Does he

> suffer from reflux, gas, ? NO REFLUX BUT ALOT OF PASSING WIND

> Are there any particular times when he has and episode, after eating? NO

PARTICULAR TIME REALLY I CANT SEE A PATTERN.

> before eating? Do you have a supplement and food diary to monitor any

reactions

> even from supplements that have been used for a while. I KEEP A DIARY OF

SUPPS AND OR IF HE HAS EATTEN SOMETHING NEW.

cannot

> tolerate all probio's or all fish oils or B Vits. Are you using enzymes,

HAVE STOPPED ENZYMES A WHILE AGO CAUSE HE GETS TOO HUNGRY does he

> have a problem with fats or carbs, citrus fruits? DONT THINK HE HAS , BUT WE

HAVE BEEN gf cf CORN FREE SINCE 4 YEARS OLD

THANKS FOR YOUR HELP

CHRISO

> Vicky

>

> In a message dated 14/05/2010 21:28:12 GMT Daylight Time,

> tryfonas@... writes:

>

> 5 HTP is in 2 in the morning with theanine,, fish oil, Probios, charcoal

> at night just before bed and oxy first thing to get toxins out during the

> day... The Lithium Orotate is the kinder Lithium lets say....[ i know that

> there are 2 types, one that works like a homeopathy med....]

>

> I havent seen any difference although the 5 htp has been given to

> Stephanos for over 2 years now. the Lithium just recently but i am missing an

> episode cause he just gets mad with himself and brusies his thighs from the

hits

> and goes for his head too..... Its painful to not be able to comfort him

> anymore with kisses and cuddles..... dont know what to do...

> regards

>

>

>

>

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I hadn't noticed the bit about the charcoal, that could definitely contribute to constipation. How long has he been having it every night? If you look back, is there any correlation between the time you started giving it regularly and the onset of the self harming and aggression? I think it would be worth stopping it to see if it makes a difference.Joanne>> > Hi Chriso> > Personally I wouldn't be giving charcoal every night as this can be very constipating which can cause these behaviours. It should really only be given where there is severe die off - I would give oxypowder at night instead. One of my kids does not tolerate oxypowder, this could be a problem? You could try increasing magnesium and C, and adding prune juice instead. How much lithium do you give? Depending on his age/weight you can give from 2-6 caps quite safely. This has been really good for my older son's aggression. I would also recommend a parasite cleanse. Have you done any testing recently and do you know whether he has any inflammation, yeast, bacteria, parasites?> > > > > Autism Treatment > > From: tryfonas@...> > Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 23:28:04 +0300> > Subject: Mandi> > > > 5 HTP is in 2 in the morning with theanine,, fish oil, Probios, charcoal at night just before bed and oxy first thing to get toxins out during the day... The Lithium Orotate is the kinder Lithium lets say....[ i know that there are 2 types, one that works like a homeopathy med....]> > > > I havent seen any difference although the 5 htp has been given to Stephanos for over 2 years now. the Lithium just recently but i am missing an episode cause he just gets mad with himself and brusies his thighs from the hits and goes for his head too..... Its painful to not be able to comfort him anymore with kisses and cuddles..... dont know what to do...> > regards> > chriso[ confused]> > > > Re: Mandi> > > > > > Send> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I'm sorry Chriso I don't know, Sam doesn;t tantrum or self harm, he > > > gets aggressive with those around him born I think of frustration and having no > > > idea why he feels like he does. Do you think its puberty for Stephanos?> > > > > > Mandi x> > > > > > > > > In a message dated 14/05/2010 20:08:55 GMT Daylight Time, > > > tryfonas@... writes:> > > What > > > alternatives do we have to avoid medication to help control tantrums and self > > > aggression?> > > its a difficult time at the moment for > > > us...?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________> > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/> > > We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now> > > > > > ------------------------------------> > > > DISCLAIMER> > No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.> >

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Thanks

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Re:Mandi

Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 23:29:20 +0100

> Not Mandi nor as knowledgeable, but I'd suggest lithium, calcium and

> magnesium and GABA. Let's see what she says.

>

> Abbie

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I've not followed this thread completely, sorry, but if there are gut issues

they can certainly be related to lectins in things like chickpeas and unsoaked

almonds.

I had to google Spry. I'd never heard of it and I found out Cyprus is

apparently the only place you can still buy it. I personally think that high

fat diets are good for most kids with ASD, but the fats have to be good fats:

coconut, fat from organic and pastured animals, butter from organic and pastured

cows, fish oils, etc. Most processed fats probably wouldn't be considered good

fats and rather than aiding detox and building strong cells, are likely doing

the opposite. A lot of kids also need to be taking lipase and making supporting

bile production too, for proper absorption.

I have said this before, but I'll agree here that gf/cf diets often don't have

any healing components to them.

If you can get coconut flour and coconut oil and your child tolerates nuts

(soaked and then dried would be my recommendation, but if the gut is in rough

shape, I would leave nuts out for at least a few months) there are lots of good

SCD recipes for cookie-ish things.

Anita

>

>

> I would honestly take those cookies out, my boy would be doubled over

> eating that much fat, someone must have a recipe for cookies that would be

> better [i don't as we don't eat cookies]. Are you following a GF/CF recipe

> book? I have to tell you I did that for 18 months and was totally

overloading

> with carbs to say nothing of the sugar. Not knocking GF/CF but it

> isn't a gut healing diet like SCD therefore really hard to come off unless

> enzymes are successful. There are recipes galore to replace potatoes on the

> SCD lists, we cut out potatoes just by casseroling and serving up minus the

> potatoes, but there are other alternatives, we found with gut healing we

> could add potatoes back into the diet in moderation, the key is not to give

> the gut more than it can digest. Thing is though my immediate thoughts are

> all that fat in the cookies and possibly not tolerating the eggs. A good

> thing to keep in mind is sometimes it isn't what you put in [supps] that

> makes the difference but what you take out and GF/CF may not be the whole

> answer.

> Vicky

>

> In a message dated 15/05/2010 18:28:46 GMT Daylight Time,

> tryfonas@... writes:

>

> so u think potatoes should be stopped and the rice flour? fried is not

> often at all once a month, but roasts, and jackets more reg ,,,,

> My prob is he likes cookies which i make with lard and veg fat[spry] ,

> whats the alternatives for making cookies, potatoes alternative?

> Oh i forgot to mention eggs which again has been a recent addition to

> diet..... I can keep a diary but i think i shall go a bit loopy soon.....

> regards

> chriso

>