Re: Re: problems with phenols

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I was posting a specific point from the book ie that milk is the usual

source of galactose which is necessary to digest phenols. He suggests

that it would be a good idea to supplement with galactose if milk is

removed.

I think someone was suffering from phenols although giving goats milk?

He suggests that you consider L-2-hydroxyglutaric aciduria as a reason

for the problems with phenols despite the galactose. He says that L-2

etc is " over-represented in this population " ie there are more of them

than you might expect. So whatever L-2 etc is, you might like to look it

up and consider it

He doesn't discuss chelation at all.

Sally

mysuperteach wrote:

> I've read this book. In my opinion, the problem is that his underlying

premise on why the diets work is wrong (it's been a while, but his premise is

that all the diets are low carb, therefore helpful in inducing some state of

ketosis). I thought his effort was good and the introduction to the fact that

these diets exist is good, plus he does provide useful details on lots of

issues.

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> The issues that kids intestinally and nutritionally are much more varied than

his low carb/ketosis theory would cover. Also, there is the even more

compelling fact that most gfcf people are actually high carb.

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> On the phenol issue, ours was resolved with chelation.

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> Anita

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>>> In a message dated 12/02/2010 19:14:36 GMT Standard Time,

>>> lisastubner@... writes:

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>>> Excuse me for being a bit daft here but I do not see galactose in

>>> Tri Enza? R U saying to use both? Now I'm confused....help...please.

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>>>>> There is no galatose in the TriEnza, I was offering alternatives to

>>>>>

>>> using DDP4 on its own which IMO should only be sold with the

>>> appropriate proteases already in it, though I believe Kirkman sell it

>>> as a stand alone

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>>> IMHO the book Sally is referring to is out of date, its years old. He

>>> is psychologist not a nutritionist or an enzymeologist. I got your off

>>> list mail, will reply later when I have a kid free zone!

>>>

>>> Mandi x

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[Guest guest]

The digestive process is complex and metabolism uses many different

enzymes and chemicals to break down the various stuff that we eat. Often

(as in this case) it breaks down food (in this case milk) and uses the

products both directly (calcium to bones) and indirectly lactose --

galactose -- phenolic digestion. This means that it mostly comes from milk.

Is your child CF (ie no milk) and have problems with phenols? If this is

the case you could try No Fenol which Mandi sells through Mandimart or

EnZymAid which contains Galactose and is sold by Kirkman -- or you could

cut phenols out of his diet -- or you could follow Anita's advice and

try chelation which worked for her son.

If your child drinks milk but still has problems with phenols you could

try the idea in my mail below that he has L-2-hydroxyglutaric aciduria

and see if he has other symptoms of that.

Does that make sense?

Sally

walescrimson wrote:

> Why is galactose necessary to digest phenols?

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>> I was posting a specific point from the book ie that milk is the usual

>> source of galactose which is necessary to digest phenols. He suggests

>> that it would be a good idea to supplement with galactose if milk is

>> removed.

>>

>> I think someone was suffering from phenols although giving goats milk?

>> He suggests that you consider L-2-hydroxyglutaric aciduria as a reason

>> for the problems with phenols despite the galactose. He says that L-2

>> etc is " over-represented in this population " ie there are more of them

>> than you might expect. So whatever L-2 etc is, you might like to look it

>> up and consider it

>>

>> He doesn't discuss chelation at all.

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>> Sally

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> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If

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In a message dated 14/02/2010 22:03:29 GMT Standard Time, michael.williams15@... writes:

Why is galactose necessary to digest phenols?

>>I don't believe it is.......there is an enzymes called Galactosidase which Devnin describes as

"useful in breaking down hard-to-digest carbohydrates found in legumes, and helps reduce gas produced from their fermentation in the intestine"

Mandi x

PS Nice to see you posting MIchael