Forced prescription of Lipitor?

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ALL,

I wish to bring everyone's attention to a fresh posting on medications.com about

a woman who claims her physician is withholding her lifesaving Insulin unless

she takes lipitor.

Read this for yourselves.....

http://www.medications.com/effect/view/41009

Bobby

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That makes me SO MAD!!! Every thought I had has already been posted so I didn't

post. Can a doctor actually DO THAT?

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> ALL,

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> I wish to bring everyone's attention to a fresh posting on medications.com

about a woman who claims her physician is withholding her lifesaving Insulin

unless she takes lipitor.

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> Read this for yourselves.....

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> http://www.medications.com/effect/view/41009

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> Bobby

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I don't think a doctor can legally do that. I spoke to a physician friend of

mine and he called it criminal. A person can die if insulin is withheld. I doubt

the doctor would actually follow thru on witholding the insulin. He might have

just said that to get the patient to take the lipitor. Thats my guess anyway.

Bobby

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> > ALL,

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> > I wish to bring everyone's attention to a fresh posting on medications.com

about a woman who claims her physician is withholding her lifesaving Insulin

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I suspect the patient who posted that is not here in the U.S. (Might be only a matter of time though before those of us who are Americans will also be "required" to obey doctors' orders!) But notice that she used the word "whilst," which is a British preference over the word "while" that most Americans use. Pamela, Jeff, can doctors in the UK legally require you to take prescribed meds?From: eldecook707 <eldecook707@...>Subject: Re: Forced prescription of Lipitor?Lipitor Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 5:41 PM

That makes me SO MAD!!! Every thought I had has already been posted so I didn't post. Can a doctor actually DO THAT?

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Good observation, but I learned she is in New Zealand. Lives rural in a small

town and says its not easy to find a new doctor.

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Whatever the doctor's motive is, it is utterly outrageous! Since she did mention the difficulty of finding another doctor, it sounds as if this is the problem rather than that the doctor has the force of law behind his threat. I hope she's able to find a doctor worthy of the title; if not, I hope she reports this one. Surely the insulin issue should be enough to get the authorities' attention. From: flyinresorts <flyinresorts@...>Subject: Re: Forced prescription of Lipitor?Lipitor Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 10:21 PM

Good observation, but I learned she is in New Zealand. Lives rural in a small town and says its not easy to find a new doctor.

Bobby

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Hi , Bobby

In the UK Dr's cannot force you to take medication - however they can make

things very difficult if you don't co-operate. My friend who has type 2 diabetes

religously takes her statin alongside all her other medications - even though it

is causing her excrutiating pain in her feet.She spent nearly an hour with her

Dr - having taken all the evidence against statins that I supplied her with.

And guess what - she continues to take them. Some people just can't say NO -

even when their health is on the line. I guess you can take a horse to water -

but you can't make it drink.Pamela- In Lipitor ,

Carlisle <nancarl@...> wrote:

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> I suspect the patient who posted that is not here in the U.S. (Might be only a

matter of time though before those of us who are Americans will also be

" required " to obey doctors' orders!) But notice that she used the word " whilst, "

which is a British preference over the word " while " that most Americans use.

Pamela, Jeff, can doctors in the UK legally require you to take prescribed meds?

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> Subject: Re: Forced prescription of Lipitor?

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hmmmmmmmmmmmmm, first do no harm - eh!

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From: flyinresorts <flyinresorts@...>Subject: Re: Forced prescription of Lipitor?Lipitor Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 4:21 AM

Good observation, but I learned she is in New Zealand. Lives rural in a small town and says its not easy to find a new doctor.Bobby> > >> > > ALL,> > > > > > I wish to bring everyone's attention to a fresh posting on medications. com about a woman who claims her physician is withholding her lifesaving Insulin unless she takes lipitor.> > > > > > Read this for yourselves.. ...> > > >

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I have a friend whom are on statins for a few years, only then she was

getting side- effects so she went off of them. But she is on government

disability in the STates and when her doctor found out, the doctor threatened

her and told her that if she didnt go back on the statins, he would report her

and she would be taken off of Medicare. So she went back on the statins and

they damaged her further so that now she cant' walk even around her apartment

and literally cannot remember things from day to day, any day.... That is

frustrating to those who are her friend, but can't imagin how hard it must be

for her as she realizes that she can't remember......

She said that gets tested for the level of drugs in her blood on every

doctor's visit so could not hide the fact when she went off of the statins.

blessings

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I have a friend whom are on statins for a few years, only then she was

getting side- effects so she went off of them. But she is on government

disability in the STates and when her doctor found out, the doctor threatened

her and told her that if she didnt go back on the statins, he would report her

and she would be taken off of Medicare. So she went back on the statins and

they damaged her further so that now she cant' walk even around her apartment

and literally cannot remember things from day to day, any day.... That is

frustrating to those who are her friend, but can't imagin how hard it must be

for her as she realizes that she can't remember......

She said that gets tested for the level of drugs in her blood on every

doctor's visit so could not hide the fact when she went off of the statins.

blessings

Shan

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Unbelievable!!! If I had a Doctor who threatened me like that...I'd

find a new Doctor in a heart beat

Lee...

Shan wrote:

I have a friend whom are on statins for a few years, only then she was getting side- effects so she went off of them. But she is on government disability in the STates and when her doctor found out, the doctor threatened her and told her that if she didnt go back on the statins, he would report her and she would be taken off of Medicare. So she went back on the statins and they damaged her further so that now she cant' walk even around her apartment and literally cannot remember things from day to day, any day.... That is frustrating to those who are her friend, but can't imagin how hard it must be for her as she realizes that she can't remember......

She said that gets tested for the level of drugs in her blood on every doctor's visit so could not hide the fact when she went off of the statins. blessings

Shan

ALL,

I wish to bring everyone's attention to a fresh posting on medications. com about a woman who claims her physician is withholding her lifesaving Insulin unless she takes lipitor.

Read this for yourselves.. ...

http://www.medicati ons.com/effect/ view/41009

Bobby

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Its criminal. I bet the elderly are being taken advantage of everyday. I despise

white collar crime. Need to get video of forced prescription of statins. It can

be done today. Real easy.

Bobby

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Its criminal. I bet the elderly are being taken advantage of everyday. I despise

white collar crime. Need to get video of forced prescription of statins. It can

be done today. Real easy.

Bobby

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I suggested that to her. She said that as she was on disability that she has

no choise - that clinic was the only one near that would take medicare. I do

not live in the States so really have no idea how the medical systems work

there.

blessings

Shan

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com about a woman who claims her physician is withholding her lifesaving Insulin

unless she takes lipitor.

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unbelievable is the right word. because this is clearly a false story.

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Fran, I wouldn't be too sure about that. I had a doctor who was so fanatical about statins' "life-saving" ability that he outright lied to me about it. Insisted there were no serious side effects, but if there were any that were "troublesome," I'd know about it in plenty of time to alert him & he'd reconsider. Only I did and he didn't! It wasn't long before the cognitive side effects had me in their grip to the point I couldn't even argue with him, let alone decide for myself what I ought to do. My blood sugar rose (had never had a problem with it prior to this), I was finally diagnosed as diabetic & he made it abundantly clear that in his opinion I wouldn't have wound up so sick and diabetic if I'd only followed his orders re. diet & exercise.. But he ignored my protests that I had been following a healthy

diet and I was getting plenty of exercise all along prior to starting on the toxic dose of statins that he prescribed. He even agreed that I had been in good shape then! When I insisted I was now eating less than before, he said that was clearly a lie as I was continuing to gain weight, and indeed I was. (And this shows how awful the cognitive side effects were--I'd never tolerate a doctor calling me a liar under ordinary circumstances!) And as for exercise, when I'd protest that I could barely walk now, so how could I exercise, his reply was that I just wasn't trying hard enough.Long story short, after two years of living hell, I went off the poison on my own, thinking since I was so sick I was going to die anyway, so what was the point in continuing to take such an expensive medication. (Looking back I'm surprised I was able to reason that well by then. Even so, it took me far too long to be able

to figure that out!) Within days of letting my Lipitor prescription run out, the fog started lifting from my mind, so I knew I was right about it all along!.And all that excess weight I'd gained? Within 3 weeks of ditching the poison I lost 25 pounds of fluid! That's how toxic that stuff was. And I later found out the reason my cholesterol was so "dangerously high," was that my thyroid was low (he'd never even checked it), and not that I had a genetic problem causing my cholesterol to soar as he'd told meThat doctor nearly killed me, all for the purpose of "saving" me from my cholesterol. Not only that, but now, five years after my last dose of Lipitor, I live with severe pain and weakness every day of my life--muscles, nerves, joints, you name it. Not to mention celiac disease, several autoimmune conditions, severe hay fever and food allergies, vision problems, psoriasis and eczema, arthritis so severe the rheumatologist thought I had a

life-threatening form of it (psoriatic arthritis), although thank goodness, tests did not confirm it, I'd had allergies prior to this, but nothing like I have now. My present doctor says my immune system has been very badly damaged. And yes, he prescribes statins (don't they all?) but he assured me from day one that he would never suggest I take them, nor any other drug that has so much potential for harm, especially with so little promise of any benefit whatsoever. By the way, have you had your thyroid checked?From: fran sta <forsalexxx@...>Subject: Re: Forced prescription of Lipitor?Lipitor Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2009, 7:36 AM

unbelievable is the right word. because this is clearly a false story.

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Fran, I had a similar experience as .

My doctor told me that I would have to take the cholesterol lowering drug

Niaspan for the rest of my life to prevent a heart attack 15 years down the

road. I should have done my homework. The drug literature clearly stated that it

has " not been shown to prevent heart disease, and treatment is only for those

who have had their first heart attack. " I have no known heart disease.

The doctor was " concerned " about my LDL particle size, and said the presription

was to alter the particle size. I asked him if diet had any impact on particle

size and he said " NO " . I later learned he was very wrong. Eliminating trans fats

and consumption of oatmeal has a significant impact on altering LDL particle

size. So for those who subscribe to the particle size theory, yes, diet can

change LDL particle size.

I was in perfect athletic health. At the time my cholesterol was very low. Yet

the doctor added the cholesterol lowering drug Niaspan for life. A few weeks

later I was unable to walk. That was eight years ago and I still have muscle

pain and weakness. I can only work part time now.

Cholesterol lowering drugs took away my excellent health. And my muscles ache as

I write this posting. So if my postings sound if I am angry, HELL YES I AM

ANGRY! I despise white collar crime and I will play a significant role in the

demise of the greatest scam on the planet.

Bobby

> From: fran sta <forsalexxx@...>

> Subject: Re: Forced prescription of Lipitor?

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Hello . I haven't seen many people make the connection between the

thryoid and heard issues ....

I am looking for studies and articles about the connection between heart issues

and the thyroid . Would you mind telling me what caused you to make the

connections please?

http://www.drdavidwilliams.com/Shared/Reports/Report.aspx?ReportID=ZZ19

excerpts below ------------------

The real solution to heart disease

The real solution is to halt the causes of inflammation, one of which is

homocysteine, a harmless acid-like waste product that forms when you eat red

meat and other protein foods. Homocysteine is quickly broken down by certain B

vitamins, so it isn't usually a problem. But if a person isn't getting enough of

these B vitamins (a widespread and disturbing problem in our country today),

then homocysteine builds up to dangerous levels and " burns " the delicate tissue

of artery walls. Plaque is then formed at the site of this inflammation as the

body attempts to heal the damage.

FACT: More than 60% of all heart attacks occur in people with normal cholesterol

levels.

FACT: The majority of people with high cholesterol never suffer heart attacks.

FACT: Half of all heart attack victims have none of the standard risk factors

(i.e., smoking, obesity, genetics, or high cholesterol).

How dangerous is this? Studies show that a high level of homocysteine is one of

the most dangerous risk factors for heart disease. It increases a person's risk

of heart attack by 300 percent!

If you're thinking a little extra B-vitamin intake would correct the problem,

you're on the right track. That's exactly how some alternative MDs handle the

problem. Studies as far back as 1988 show that this B vitamin lowers

homocysteine levels back into the safety zone in just weeks. It has an 80%

success rate. And the cost is about 5 cents a day.

The secret thyroid connection

But if you're a good detective (and I think you are), you're probably wondering

what's causing this B-vitamin deficiency in the first place? Closer

investigation reveals that an underactive thyroid gland is at the root of the

problem. This malfunction inhibits the absorption of B vitamins, causing

homocysteine levels to skyrocket. The connection between the thyroid and heart

disease was first mentioned in the 1976 book, Solved: The Riddle of Heart

Attacks, by Dr. Broda . His research was largely ignored by the medical

community, until the release of a study in 1999. At the Cleveland Clinic,

researchers corrected the thyroid function in patients and saw homocysteine

levels normalize on their own—without any need for vitamins.

Very few doctors, alternative or otherwise, are making this connection. But I

believe if and when doctors get to the root of this problem, heart disease will

nearly vanish. But that's not all. An underactive thyroid and B-vitamin

deficiency cause other health problems, too. It has been linked to

Alzheimer's... depression...and memory loss. Further symptoms include: Decrease

in sexual desire (especially in males)...Obesity and weight-gain (because fats

aren't being metabolized adequately)...Cold hands and feet...A weak immune

system (making you more vulnerable to colds, flu, respiratory infections, and

cancers)... Constipation...and Allergies, among others.

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Blood Pressure and Hypothyroidism can go hand-in-hand

There's a variety of reasons you may have a blood pressure problem, and often,

the precise cause is not obvious. But did you know that a poorly functioning

thyroid, or inadequate treatment with T4-only medications, can be a factor in

high blood pressure??

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/blood-pressure/

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A friend of mine was takning synthetic thyriod and complaining that he

still had many thyroid symptoms, so I sent him to a website about natural

thyroid.

Stop the Thyroid Madness

Recommends treating by symptoms, not by tests.It also advocates natural thyroid

and explains why.The importance of T3 and T2 is also explained for optimal

wellness.Armour " is almost a magic word among thyroid patients , those who take

it , and those , all over the world , who are desperately trying to get some .

" Armour " is the probably best known brand-name for natural dessicated thyroid (

porcine ) , a med in use for about a hundred years . It contains all that the

thyroid naturally produces , and the majority of patients does better on this

natural product then on the modern synthetic drugs . There is a HUGE and GROWING

body of thyroid patients who have discovered a FAR superior treatment with

natural desiccated thyroid hormones, more commonly known by the brand name

Armour. Additionally, we are dosing according to the elimination of SYMPTOMS,

and paying attention to the free T3 and free T4, NOT the TSH. And it's working!

The experience of thyroid patients compiled by a patient who learned it the hard

way.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

Anyways, he started taking natural thyroid and his blood pressure went

down to normal. He also had very bad edema and he was thrilled that it went away

and he could wear his boots and other shoes again. He had a heart attack several

years ago, and occasionally had fast heatbests, etc and it worried him but I

understand that they went away also. He also had high cholesterol but would not

take statins. That went away too by taking large doses of a multi-systemic

enzyme product and after changing to natural thryoid didn't have a problem with

cholesteroal anymore. He said that when he turned his head, he would often feel

dizzy but that went away after less then a month of taking the systemic enzymes.

blessings

Shan

> From: fran sta <forsalexxx@...>

> Subject: Re: Forced prescription of Lipitor?

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I read some information a while back by someone who's research ability I

respect and who posts regularly in life-extension forums that looked

into the Niacin research and found that regular Niacin use had limited

benefit mortality wise in the first 5 years of regular use but after

that the benefits increased very dramatically. The curve was almost

flat for mortality improvement for those first 5 years but after than it

turned up, way way way up.

What the research is weak on is compliance with respect to taking Niacin

daily. There is often a lack of patient compliances which may be

skewing the results but people who make it to 5 years taking niacin

regularly are definitely getting the benefit. The non-compliant users

make be making the Niacin benefit in the first 5 years look lower than

it really is. The " burn " from taking therapeutic doses of Niacin is too

much for many to handle and they don't take their dosage regularly or

stop altogether.

So, most studies on Niacin (which show a significant amount of benefit

in blood cholesterol parameters along with other blood work) do not last

long enough to see the very positive results. This makes looking a the

longer studies all the more valuable.

DIET does have an impact on particle size. Trans-fats, sugar, grains

(like wheat products) definitely lower particle size. Good fats improve

particle size and quality, more specifically saturated fats.

Polyunsaturated fats are a negative.

Generally, Niacin doesn't lower cholesterol much at all with Niaspan

(slow release) having a little bit more effect on lowering LDL than

regular Niacin and with regular Niacin increasing HDL quantity and

quality much better than Niaspan.

Steve

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> Fran, I had a similar experience as .

>

> My doctor told me that I would have to take the cholesterol lowering

> drug Niaspan for the rest of my life to prevent a heart attack 15 years

> down the road. I should have done my homework. The drug literature

> clearly stated that it has " not been shown to prevent heart disease, and

> treatment is only for those who have had their first heart attack. " I

> have no known heart disease.

>

> The doctor was " concerned " about my LDL particle size, and said the

> presription was to alter the particle size. I asked him if diet had any

> impact on particle size and he said " NO " . I later learned he was very

> wrong. Eliminating trans fats and consumption of oatmeal has a

> significant impact on altering LDL particle size. So for those who

> subscribe to the particle size theory, yes, diet can change LDL particle

> size.

>

> I was in perfect athletic health. At the time my cholesterol was very

> low. Yet the doctor added the cholesterol lowering drug Niaspan for

> life. A few weeks later I was unable to walk. That was eight years ago

> and I still have muscle pain and weakness. I can only work part time now.

>

> Cholesterol lowering drugs took away my excellent health. And my muscles

> ache as I write this posting. So if my postings sound if I am angry,

> HELL YES I AM ANGRY! I despise white collar crime and I will play a

> significant role in the demise of the greatest scam on the planet.

>

> Bobby

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> > Fran, I wouldn't be too sure about that. I had a doctor who was so

> fanatical about statins' " life-saving " ability that he outright lied to

> me about it. Insisted there were no serious side effects, but if there

> were any that were " troublesome, " I'd know about it in plenty of time to

> alert him & he'd reconsider. Only I did and he didn't! It wasn't long

> before the cognitive side effects had me in their grip to the point I

> couldn't even argue with him, let alone decide for myself what I ought

> to do. My blood sugar rose (had never had a problem with it prior to

> this), I was finally diagnosed as diabetic & he made it abundantly clear

> that in his opinion I wouldn't have wound up so sick and diabetic if I'd

> only followed his orders re. diet & exercise.. But he ignored my

> protests that I had been following a healthy diet and I was getting

> plenty of exercise all along prior to starting on the toxic dose of

> statins that he prescribed. He even agreed that I had been

> > in good shape then! When I insisted I was now eating less than

> before, he said that was clearly a lie as I was continuing to gain

> weight, and indeed I was. (And this shows how awful the cognitive side

> effects were--I'd never tolerate a doctor calling me a liar under

> ordinary circumstances!) And as for exercise, when I'd protest that I

> could barely walk now, so how could I exercise, his reply was that I

> just wasn't trying hard enough.

> >

> > Long story short, after two years of living hell, I went off the

> poison on my own, thinking since I was so sick I was going to die

> anyway, so what was the point in continuing to take such an expensive

> medication. (Looking back I'm surprised I was able to reason that well

> by then. Even so, it took me far too long to be able to figure that

> out!) Within days of letting my Lipitor prescription run out, the fog

> started lifting from my mind, so I knew I was right about it all

> along!.And all that excess weight I'd gained? Within 3 weeks of ditching

> the poison I lost 25 pounds of fluid! That's how toxic that stuff was.

> And I later found out the reason my cholesterol was so " dangerously

> high, " was that my thyroid was low (he'd never even checked it), and not

> that I had a genetic problem causing my cholesterol to soar as he'd told me

> >

> > That doctor nearly killed me, all for the purpose of " saving " me from

> my cholesterol. Not only that, but now, five years after my last dose of

> Lipitor, I live with severe pain and weakness every day of my

> life--muscles, nerves, joints, you name it. Not to mention celiac

> disease, several autoimmune conditions, severe hay fever and food

> allergies, vision problems, psoriasis and eczema, arthritis so severe

> the rheumatologist thought I had a life-threatening form of it

> (psoriatic arthritis), although thank goodness, tests did not confirm

> it, I'd had allergies prior to this, but nothing like I have now. My

> present doctor says my immune system has been very badly damaged. And

> yes, he prescribes statins (don't they all?) but he assured me from day

> one that he would never suggest I take them, nor any other drug that has

> so much potential for harm, especially with so little promise of any

> benefit whatsoever.

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Steve - dudescholar4@...

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[Guest guest]

I read some information a while back by someone who's research ability I

respect and who posts regularly in life-extension forums that looked

into the Niacin research and found that regular Niacin use had limited

benefit mortality wise in the first 5 years of regular use but after

that the benefits increased very dramatically. The curve was almost

flat for mortality improvement for those first 5 years but after than it

turned up, way way way up.

What the research is weak on is compliance with respect to taking Niacin

daily. There is often a lack of patient compliances which may be

skewing the results but people who make it to 5 years taking niacin

regularly are definitely getting the benefit. The non-compliant users

make be making the Niacin benefit in the first 5 years look lower than

it really is. The " burn " from taking therapeutic doses of Niacin is too

much for many to handle and they don't take their dosage regularly or

stop altogether.

So, most studies on Niacin (which show a significant amount of benefit

in blood cholesterol parameters along with other blood work) do not last

long enough to see the very positive results. This makes looking a the

longer studies all the more valuable.

DIET does have an impact on particle size. Trans-fats, sugar, grains

(like wheat products) definitely lower particle size. Good fats improve

particle size and quality, more specifically saturated fats.

Polyunsaturated fats are a negative.

Generally, Niacin doesn't lower cholesterol much at all with Niaspan

(slow release) having a little bit more effect on lowering LDL than

regular Niacin and with regular Niacin increasing HDL quantity and

quality much better than Niaspan.

Steve

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> My doctor told me that I would have to take the cholesterol lowering

> drug Niaspan for the rest of my life to prevent a heart attack 15 years

> down the road. I should have done my homework. The drug literature

> clearly stated that it has " not been shown to prevent heart disease, and

> treatment is only for those who have had their first heart attack. " I

> have no known heart disease.

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> The doctor was " concerned " about my LDL particle size, and said the

> presription was to alter the particle size. I asked him if diet had any

> impact on particle size and he said " NO " . I later learned he was very

> wrong. Eliminating trans fats and consumption of oatmeal has a

> significant impact on altering LDL particle size. So for those who

> subscribe to the particle size theory, yes, diet can change LDL particle

> size.

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> I was in perfect athletic health. At the time my cholesterol was very

> low. Yet the doctor added the cholesterol lowering drug Niaspan for

> life. A few weeks later I was unable to walk. That was eight years ago

> and I still have muscle pain and weakness. I can only work part time now.

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> Cholesterol lowering drugs took away my excellent health. And my muscles

> ache as I write this posting. So if my postings sound if I am angry,

> HELL YES I AM ANGRY! I despise white collar crime and I will play a

> significant role in the demise of the greatest scam on the planet.

>

> Bobby

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> > Fran, I wouldn't be too sure about that. I had a doctor who was so

> fanatical about statins' " life-saving " ability that he outright lied to

> me about it. Insisted there were no serious side effects, but if there

> were any that were " troublesome, " I'd know about it in plenty of time to

> alert him & he'd reconsider. Only I did and he didn't! It wasn't long

> before the cognitive side effects had me in their grip to the point I

> couldn't even argue with him, let alone decide for myself what I ought

> to do. My blood sugar rose (had never had a problem with it prior to

> this), I was finally diagnosed as diabetic & he made it abundantly clear

> that in his opinion I wouldn't have wound up so sick and diabetic if I'd

> only followed his orders re. diet & exercise.. But he ignored my

> protests that I had been following a healthy diet and I was getting

> plenty of exercise all along prior to starting on the toxic dose of

> statins that he prescribed. He even agreed that I had been

> > in good shape then! When I insisted I was now eating less than

> before, he said that was clearly a lie as I was continuing to gain

> weight, and indeed I was. (And this shows how awful the cognitive side

> effects were--I'd never tolerate a doctor calling me a liar under

> ordinary circumstances!) And as for exercise, when I'd protest that I

> could barely walk now, so how could I exercise, his reply was that I

> just wasn't trying hard enough.

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> > Long story short, after two years of living hell, I went off the

> poison on my own, thinking since I was so sick I was going to die

> anyway, so what was the point in continuing to take such an expensive

> medication. (Looking back I'm surprised I was able to reason that well

> by then. Even so, it took me far too long to be able to figure that

> out!) Within days of letting my Lipitor prescription run out, the fog

> started lifting from my mind, so I knew I was right about it all

> along!.And all that excess weight I'd gained? Within 3 weeks of ditching

> the poison I lost 25 pounds of fluid! That's how toxic that stuff was.

> And I later found out the reason my cholesterol was so " dangerously

> high, " was that my thyroid was low (he'd never even checked it), and not

> that I had a genetic problem causing my cholesterol to soar as he'd told me

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> > That doctor nearly killed me, all for the purpose of " saving " me from

> my cholesterol. Not only that, but now, five years after my last dose of

> Lipitor, I live with severe pain and weakness every day of my

> life--muscles, nerves, joints, you name it. Not to mention celiac

> disease, several autoimmune conditions, severe hay fever and food

> allergies, vision problems, psoriasis and eczema, arthritis so severe

> the rheumatologist thought I had a life-threatening form of it

> (psoriatic arthritis), although thank goodness, tests did not confirm

> it, I'd had allergies prior to this, but nothing like I have now. My

> present doctor says my immune system has been very badly damaged. And

> yes, he prescribes statins (don't they all?) but he assured me from day

> one that he would never suggest I take them, nor any other drug that has

> so much potential for harm, especially with so little promise of any

> benefit whatsoever.

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

" The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you

run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher

" Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism "

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

[Guest guest]

Thyroid issues and heart issues can go hand and hand. I have been aware of the

connection for many years, and have read many medical articles about this. Sorry

I don't have the links saved to hand you, but if you were to google hypothyroid

and heart disease, you will probably find what you are looking for.

Bobby

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[Guest guest]

Thank you.

best wishes

Shan

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Thank you.

best wishes

Shan

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