Re: Sacred Instructions of Great Spirit WAS: Pentagon mulling

[Guest guest]

I am finding this very interesting :-)

" Even when we do take from Mother Earth, we return something else to

Mother Earth as thanks for sharing with us. "

This sounds very similar to Shamans of Anglo Saxons, who also used

plants and always gave back to nature for what they took. I am

thinking specifically of a book I have read called 'Way of the Wryd'

which was based on an old Christian manuscript. There was a lot of

reverance for nature within it.

" 1. Take Care of Mother Earth and the other 3 colors of Man. "

What are the 3 colors of Man please?

" I have simplified the importance of this precept but only because I

could go on for quite some time on my beliefs and my culture. "

I don't mind - I find this stuff fascinating :-)

>

> Rainbow, thank you very much for asking me for my input on this

> topic.

>

> The Sacred Instructions given by the Creator to Native people at

the

> time of Creation are as follows:

>

> 1. Take Care of Mother Earth and the other 3 colors of Man.

>

> 2. Respect this Mother Earth and Creation.

>

> 3. Honour all life and to support that Honour.

>

> 4. To be grateful from the heart for All life. It is through life

> that there is Survival.

>

> 5. Thank the Creator at All times for All life.

>

> 6. Love and express that love.

>

> 7. Practice humility. Humility is the gift of wisdom and

> understanding.

>

> 8. Practice kindness. Be Kind with your self and with others.

>

> 9. Share your feelings, personal concerns and commitments.

>

> 10. Be honest with your self and with others.

>

> Given that these instructions nurture respect for all life

> (including plants), it is important to understand that all of life

> is a matter of respectful balance. Never take more than you will

> need and always return the gift of receiving by yielding up

yourself

> to Mother Earth.

>

> So, in response to 's wish that vegetables be allowed to reach

> the end of their natural life cycle with humans and animals only

> taking what they needed to survive, this has always been the way of

> life for Aboriginal peoples. Even when we do take from Mother

> Earth, we return something else to Mother Earth as thanks for

> sharing with us. This truth weaves its way through our Sacred

> Instructions and is part of who we are and who we have always been.

>

> I have simplified the importance of this precept but only because I

> could go on for quite some time on my beliefs and my culture.

>

> Raven

[Guest guest]

Re:

>

> 1. Take Care of Mother Earth and the other 3 colors of Man.

Humans come in only 4 colors? I see hundreds, at least - in a smooth

spectrum from dark-brown to ivory, which makes it difficult for me to

define any four as 'the " skin-colors for humans.

And why would the Native Americans, in particular, get the job of

" taking care of " everybody else? It sounds, to me, just a weeeeeee bit

close to racism ...

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[Guest guest]

If I'm not mistaken it refers to the 4 races (red, yellow, black and white)

rather than exact shades.

That Native Americans would be appointed guardians of the rest of us may be

because they have a long tradition of actually caring.

I don't see what's racist about that.

Inger

Re: Sacred Instructions of Great Spirit WAS:

Pentagon mulling

Re:

>

> 1. Take Care of Mother Earth and the other 3 colors of Man.

Humans come in only 4 colors? I see hundreds, at least - in a smooth

spectrum from dark-brown to ivory, which makes it difficult for me to

define any four as 'the " skin-colors for humans.

And why would the Native Americans, in particular, get the job of

" taking care of " everybody else? It sounds, to me, just a weeeeeee bit

close to racism ...

Yours for better letters,

Kate Gladstone

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[Guest guest]

Wow, Kate, you really do put a nasty twist to something as beautiful

as my people's culture and beliefs. We didn't come up with these

beliefs last week. This has been our culture from the start, long

before most cultures were able to acknowledge that there would men

of other colours somewhere else in the world. Our beliefs grew from

a time when the colours of man were very distinct as there had been

quite the cross-connections that we now have.

And please point out where I posted that my people are the only

people in charge of taking care of everyone else? Are the beliefs

of my people with regards to being responsible not similar in basis

to the Christian belief that we are our brother's keeper?

You know, this is one of the reasons I rarely talk about my

background, my personal life, my essence ... because many people

seem to regale in finding ugliness where none exists until it is

brought in by the ones seeking it.

I was going to post our Code of Relationships before I came across

your post, Kate. Then I thought twice about doing so because it

will very likely become the next target with which to denigrate my

people's beliefs. Then I thought it would be selfish of me not to

share at least this last bit with people so they can decide for

themselves if there is something of value which they can take from

this code and incorporate into their own lives.

1. Speak only words of truth.

2. Speak only of the good qualities of others.

3. Be a confidante and carry no tales.

4. Turn aside the veil of anger to release the beauty inherent in

all.

5. Waste not the bounty, and want not.

6. Honor the light in all.

7. Compare nothing; see all for its suchness.

8. Respect all life; cut away ignorance from one's own heart.

9. Neither kill nor harbor thoughts of an angry nature, which

destroys peace like an arrow.

10. If you see what needs doing, do it.

Many months ago, I left Secret Society for reasons of my own which

were valid at the time. If this is what this group is going to

become -- one where other people's views are ridiculed or attacked

rather than discussed, clarified, considered -- then it is time for

me to remove myself from this group yet again.

I am wounded that someone with no reason to attack what I posted

about my people's spirituality and beliefs could bring such ugliness

to what was written.

Raven

P.S. Admins ... email coming.

>

> Re:

>

> >

> > 1. Take Care of Mother Earth and the other 3 colors of Man.

>

> Humans come in only 4 colors? I see hundreds, at least - in a

smooth

> spectrum from dark-brown to ivory, which makes it difficult for me

to

> define any four as 'the " skin-colors for humans.

>

> And why would the Native Americans, in particular, get the job of

> " taking care of " everybody else? It sounds, to me, just a weeeeeee

bit

> close to racism ...

>

>

> Yours for better letters,

> Kate Gladstone

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>

[Guest guest]

Re:

> the 4 races (red, yellow, black and white)

I recognize one race: human. The " paint job " tells us nothing about

the person within the skin.

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Kate Gladstone

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[Guest guest]

Imagine, you thinking that you are a kind person with a loving heart

and a gentle soul. When you slam me with your insults about " paint

jobs " you insult more than just me, Kate. You insult yourself.

Raven

>

> Re:

>

> > the 4 races (red, yellow, black and white)

>

> I recognize one race: human. The " paint job " tells us nothing about

> the person within the skin.

>

>

>

> Yours for better letters,

> Kate Gladstone

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>

[Guest guest]

Ravenmagic - thanks for sharing. What you have shared makes me seek to

know more - specifically:

/1/

Do all of the hundreds (or thousands) of Native American people (each

and every one of your many nations) indeed teach these statements?

/2/

Does there exist checkable evidence that the statements you cited

previously (about " taking care of the other three colors, " etc.),

and/or the statements you give now (the Code of Relationships) existed

as part of the culture of one or more Native American peoples before

contact with non-Native-American cultures?

Thanks, in any case, for clarifying that your beliefs do not in fact

limit the task of caretaking only to Native Americans. This greatly

reassures me, so I'll stop worrying about possible racism among those

beliefs. Again, thanks.

Yours for better letters,

Kate Gladstone

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[Guest guest]

Re:

> Imagine, you thinking that you are a kind person with a loving heart

> and a gentle soul.

Please show me where I claimed to think of myself in such a way.

>When you slam me with your insults about " paint

> jobs "

Please show me what made the words " paint job " an insult. I intended

no insult. If you respond to the metaphor " paint job " as you would

respond to an insult, feel free to understand that I meant " paint job "

as a metaphor for " skin coloring. " I do not regard mention of skin

coloration as an insult, and I did not imagine that anyone else here

would regard mention of skin coloration as an insult.

Yours for better letters,

Kate Gladstone

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[Guest guest]

Re:

> Imagine, you thinking that you are a kind person with a loving heart

> and a gentle soul.

Please show me where I claimed to think of myself in such a way.

>When you slam me with your insults about " paint

> jobs "

Please show me what made the words " paint job " an insult. I intended

no insult. If you respond to the metaphor " paint job " as you would

respond to an insult, feel free to understand that I meant " paint job "

as a metaphor for " skin coloring. " I do not regard mention of skin

coloration as an insult, and I did not imagine that anyone else here

would regard mention of skin coloration as an insult.

Yours for better letters,

Kate Gladstone

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[Guest guest]

I just wanted to say thanks for posting this Raven - I really do like

hearing about others beliefs and cultures.

I hope some tolerance/respect/kindness/consideration etc will come

back to this site soon.

> >

> > Re:

> >

> > >

> > > 1. Take Care of Mother Earth and the other 3 colors of Man.

> >

> > Humans come in only 4 colors? I see hundreds, at least - in a

> smooth

> > spectrum from dark-brown to ivory, which makes it difficult for

me

> to

> > define any four as 'the " skin-colors for humans.

> >

> > And why would the Native Americans, in particular, get the job of

> > " taking care of " everybody else? It sounds, to me, just a

weeeeeee

> bit

> > close to racism ...

> >

> >

> > Yours for better letters,

> > Kate Gladstone

> > Handwriting Repair and the World Handwriting Contest

> > handwritingrepair@

> > http://learn.to/handwrite,

> http://www.global2000.net/handwritingrepair

> > 325 South Manning Boulevard

> > Albany, New York 12208-1731 USA

> > telephone 518/482-6763

> > AND REMEMBER ...

> > you can order books through my site!

> > (Amazon.com link -

> > I get a 5% - 15% commission on each book sold)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Does tolerance include tolerating the questions you wouldn't ask and

the opinions you disagre with, or does it mean only tolerating the

questions and opinions that you approve?

Yours for better letters,

Kate Gladstone

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[Guest guest]

" And why would the Native Americans, in particular, get the job of

" taking care of " everybody else? It sounds, to me, just a weeeeeee bit

close to racism ... "

I can only postulate why Native Americans would believe that they

should take care of everyone else (I am reading these posts in order -

so if Raven has explained later on, forgive me) but if I were to

theorize, I should think it was because they witnessed the dsirespect

and destruction rendered by the Europeans on the landscape and felt

that only children could squander such a resource in this fashion,

and that these people needed to be taken care of.

Or perhaps it was that they were doing so as kindred spirits...caring

for their fellow men, in other words.

Her statements merely impart her beliefs. I see nothing racist in her

statements, nor do I see anything racist in her beliefs. But I DO see

PLENTY of racism in yours.

You are on moderation right now until I can weed through all the

posts and better ascertain why you have inflamed Raven and and

of their complaints against you are warranted.

This means all your posts have to be approved by a mod.

I will be as expedient as I can in sorting things out. But I cannot

guarentee I will solve all this until Monday. My access to my

computer is limited and it seems to be running slowly.

Tom

Administrator

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Tom, for letting me know re the moderation, and for the very

reasonable explanation:

> if I were to

> theorize, I should think it was because they witnessed the dsirespect

> and destruction rendered by the Europeans on the landscape and felt

> that only children could squander such a resource in this fashion,

> and that these people needed to be taken care of.

I apologize to Raven, to , and to everyone here who (because of

words and/or actions of mine) felt shame or received offense.

Yours for better letters,

Kate Gladstone

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[Guest guest]

> "The Sacred Instructions"Thank you, Raven!  Rainbow

[Guest guest]

>  "Code of Relationships"Thank you, Raven!  Rainbow

[Guest guest]

Again, you're very welcome, Rainbow.

Raven

>

> > " The Sacred Instructions "

>

> Thank you, Raven!

>

> Rainbow

>

[Guest guest]

Again, you're very welcome, Rainbow.

Raven

>

> > " The Sacred Instructions "

>

> Thank you, Raven!

>

> Rainbow

>

[Guest guest]

" What is MAN " is one of the questions in which " men " have always

gotten themselves in trouble. People have always been xenophobic and

I believe that is one of the reasons people always create restriction

on " What a MAN is. "

And by labeling outsiders as " not Human/man " it was okay to kill them

without braking taboos against murder....

Ender

At 12:57 PM 3/4/2006, you wrote:

>Re:

>

> >

> > 1. Take Care of Mother Earth and the other 3 colors of Man.

>

>Humans come in only 4 colors? I see hundreds, at least - in a smooth

>spectrum from dark-brown to ivory, which makes it difficult for me to

>define any four as 'the " skin-colors for humans.

>

>And why would the Native Americans, in particular, get the job of

> " taking care of " everybody else? It sounds, to me, just a weeeeeee bit

>close to racism ...

[Guest guest]

> >

> > > (I think): " It would kind of be nice if they did let

> some

> > reach the end of their life cycle and only take a percentage for

> food "

> >

> > Raven could better elucidate.

> >

> > The native peoples here did just that.

> >

> > Bulbs that were dug up from the land that was itself

> their 'garden'

> > were separated and several corms were replanted to provide the

> > following years sustenance.

> >

> > Sustainability forever!

> >

> > Rainbow

> >

>