Guest guest Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 While Krill oil has DHA and EPA, the research on the product is very limited and almost all funded and promoted by the Krill Oil Companies. I don't recall ever finding any double blind studies of any size. Fish oil on the other hand has very extensive research with a wide range of very significant benefits. Fish oil is also cheaper. I do however take some krill oil, 1 gram a day, but the contribution to my EPA+DHA is very small. Steve Toe Newman wrote: > > > So Lee, > As former natural fats and oils chemist for some 30 years I wonder just > why you prefer the Krill Oil to the other C-18 unsaturated fatty acids > like fish and olive oil. Not disputing but just wondering as I see many > flavors of various oils on the health market these days. > > T/ > Chicago, IL > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Lee Schelin <LSchelin@...> > *To:* Lipitor > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:47:29 PM > *Subject:* Re: All In Good Taste > > I take CoQ10 also but I take Krill Oil instead of Fish Oil > > Lee... > > Toe Newman wrote: > >> Kay, >> Am taking 2400 mg fish oil and 200 mg CoQ10 on daily basis. Take both >> mid-afternoon so not adsorbed by increased fiber diet in morning meal. >> >> Best regards, >> >> T/ >> Chicago, Il -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 While Krill oil has DHA and EPA, the research on the product is very limited and almost all funded and promoted by the Krill Oil Companies. I don't recall ever finding any double blind studies of any size. Fish oil on the other hand has very extensive research with a wide range of very significant benefits. Fish oil is also cheaper. I do however take some krill oil, 1 gram a day, but the contribution to my EPA+DHA is very small. Steve Toe Newman wrote: > > > So Lee, > As former natural fats and oils chemist for some 30 years I wonder just > why you prefer the Krill Oil to the other C-18 unsaturated fatty acids > like fish and olive oil. Not disputing but just wondering as I see many > flavors of various oils on the health market these days. > > T/ > Chicago, IL > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Lee Schelin <LSchelin@...> > *To:* Lipitor > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:47:29 PM > *Subject:* Re: All In Good Taste > > I take CoQ10 also but I take Krill Oil instead of Fish Oil > > Lee... > > Toe Newman wrote: > >> Kay, >> Am taking 2400 mg fish oil and 200 mg CoQ10 on daily basis. Take both >> mid-afternoon so not adsorbed by increased fiber diet in morning meal. >> >> Best regards, >> >> T/ >> Chicago, Il -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Hi Gloria Hypercholesterolmania is a madey uppy illness to make us all have 'cholesterol neurosis' - which I am sure that there will be another 'pill' available soon, to take, to alleviate our neurotic symptoms. Cholesterol is good for you - you don't die from high cholesterol - no matter how high. Low cholesterol on the other hand, kills your muscles, nerves, causes chronic heart disease, arrythmia, dementia, memory loss, kidney and liver damage, hair loss, impotence, jaundice, loss of libido and many other serious and often life threatening illnesses. Go to Stopped Our Statins and read some of the articles on cholesterol and how good it is for you.Don't worry about your cholesterol levels!Pamela. > Kay, > Am taking 2400 mg fish oil and 200 mg CoQ10 on daily basis. Take both > mid-afternoon so not adsorbed by increased fiber diet in morning meal. > > Best regards, > > T/ > Chicago, Il > > > > > ________________________________ > From: kay > graham <canadiankayte@ .ca> > TakingLipitorAndHat eItgroups (DOT) com > Sent: Tuesday, October > 28, 2008 6:36:52 AM > Subject: Re: > [TakingLipitorAndHa teIt] All In Good Taste > > > can you advise me on fish oil and dosage please? Kay > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Toe > Newman <yallethane (DOT) com> > Group Leader > <takinglipitorandhat eitgroups (DOT) com> > Sent: Monday, October > 27, 2008 4:34:15 PM > Subject: [TakingLipitorAndHa teIt] All In Good Taste > > > > Group, > Attached article great insight on effects of both statins and other > pre-/post MI drugs on our respective lifestyle. I found it difficult > to adjust my scratch cooking style to eliminate the dietary risk > factors while at the same time my sense of taste was increasingly > queered by strong inorganic-metallic taste in the pallet. Both the > Primary MD and Cardio trivalized my comments on this subject during > office visits but the effects lingered as I reverse titrated off the > beta blockers and statins. There was a short period of time while > trying to include HCTZ diuretic into the daily meds package and after > two weeks the increasing bitter taste was literally gagging and I > discontinued that drug. Once again the Primary stated " he never heard > of that symptom " but did not push me to continue. > > For what it's worth this aspect, at least for me, was reversable after > now some 6 months after discontinuing the statins. Still taking Plavix > and Avapro so they at least for me are not in that taste equation. > Increasing daily intake of fish oil was just as effective in reducing > BP as that HCTZ without all of the negatives. > > Hope this helps some questions and concerns out there. > > T/ > Chicago, IL > > > > > http://www.denverpo st.com/lifestyle s/ci_10819814? > source=email > > > ________________________________ > Looking for the perfect gift?Give the gift of Flickr! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Hi Gloria Hypercholesterolmania is a madey uppy illness to make us all have 'cholesterol neurosis' - which I am sure that there will be another 'pill' available soon, to take, to alleviate our neurotic symptoms. Cholesterol is good for you - you don't die from high cholesterol - no matter how high. Low cholesterol on the other hand, kills your muscles, nerves, causes chronic heart disease, arrythmia, dementia, memory loss, kidney and liver damage, hair loss, impotence, jaundice, loss of libido and many other serious and often life threatening illnesses. Go to Stopped Our Statins and read some of the articles on cholesterol and how good it is for you.Don't worry about your cholesterol levels!Pamela. > Kay, > Am taking 2400 mg fish oil and 200 mg CoQ10 on daily basis. Take both > mid-afternoon so not adsorbed by increased fiber diet in morning meal. > > Best regards, > > T/ > Chicago, Il > > > > > ________________________________ > From: kay > graham <canadiankayte@ .ca> > TakingLipitorAndHat eItgroups (DOT) com > Sent: Tuesday, October > 28, 2008 6:36:52 AM > Subject: Re: > [TakingLipitorAndHa teIt] All In Good Taste > > > can you advise me on fish oil and dosage please? Kay > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Toe > Newman <yallethane (DOT) com> > Group Leader > <takinglipitorandhat eitgroups (DOT) com> > Sent: Monday, October > 27, 2008 4:34:15 PM > Subject: [TakingLipitorAndHa teIt] All In Good Taste > > > > Group, > Attached article great insight on effects of both statins and other > pre-/post MI drugs on our respective lifestyle. I found it difficult > to adjust my scratch cooking style to eliminate the dietary risk > factors while at the same time my sense of taste was increasingly > queered by strong inorganic-metallic taste in the pallet. Both the > Primary MD and Cardio trivalized my comments on this subject during > office visits but the effects lingered as I reverse titrated off the > beta blockers and statins. There was a short period of time while > trying to include HCTZ diuretic into the daily meds package and after > two weeks the increasing bitter taste was literally gagging and I > discontinued that drug. Once again the Primary stated " he never heard > of that symptom " but did not push me to continue. > > For what it's worth this aspect, at least for me, was reversable after > now some 6 months after discontinuing the statins. Still taking Plavix > and Avapro so they at least for me are not in that taste equation. > Increasing daily intake of fish oil was just as effective in reducing > BP as that HCTZ without all of the negatives. > > Hope this helps some questions and concerns out there. > > T/ > Chicago, IL > > > > > http://www.denverpo st.com/lifestyle s/ci_10819814? > source=email > > > ________________________________ > Looking for the perfect gift?Give the gift of Flickr! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Gloria, If you don't mind my asking, what is your cholesterol and Trigcyceride numbers that had you concerned? Did you take a statin? Statins can induce RLS. Bobby > Kay, > Am taking 2400 mg fish oil and 200 mg CoQ10 on daily basis. Take both > mid-afternoon so not adsorbed by increased fiber diet in morning meal. > > Best regards, > > T/ > Chicago, Il > > > > > ________________________________ > From: kay > graham <canadiankayte@ .ca> > TakingLipitorAndHat eItgroups (DOT) com > Sent: Tuesday, October > 28, 2008 6:36:52 AM > Subject: Re: > [TakingLipitorAndHa teIt] All In Good Taste > > > can you advise me on fish oil and dosage please? Kay > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Toe > Newman <yallethane (DOT) com> > Group Leader > <takinglipitorandhat eitgroups (DOT) com> > Sent: Monday, October > 27, 2008 4:34:15 PM > Subject: [TakingLipitorAndHa teIt] All In Good Taste > > > > Group, > Attached article great insight on effects of both statins and other > pre-/post MI drugs on our respective lifestyle. I found it difficult > to adjust my scratch cooking style to eliminate the dietary risk > factors while at the same time my sense of taste was increasingly > queered by strong inorganic-metallic taste in the pallet. Both the > Primary MD and Cardio trivalized my comments on this subject during > office visits but the effects lingered as I reverse titrated off the > beta blockers and statins. There was a short period of time while > trying to include HCTZ diuretic into the daily meds package and after > two weeks the increasing bitter taste was literally gagging and I > discontinued that drug. Once again the Primary stated " he never heard > of that symptom " but did not push me to continue. > > For what it's worth this aspect, at least for me, was reversable after > now some 6 months after discontinuing the statins. Still taking Plavix > and Avapro so they at least for me are not in that taste equation. > Increasing daily intake of fish oil was just as effective in reducing > BP as that HCTZ without all of the negatives. > > Hope this helps some questions and concerns out there. > > T/ > Chicago, IL > > > > > http://www.denverpo st.com/lifestyle s/ci_10819814? > source=email > > > ________________________________ > Looking for the perfect gift?Give the gift of Flickr! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Thanks for reply. Mike Re: All In Good Taste Here is the fish oil product at lef.org (the life extension foundation) http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/Item00982/Super-Omega-3-EPA-DHA-with-Ses\ ame-Lignans-Olive-Fruit-Extract.html There recommend dose contains 1200 mg of DHA + EPA twice a day for a total of 2.4 grams. I've also read their articles regularly and 2.4 grams was the number that they put together from " their " reading of the medical literature. I've been trying to search PubMed but tonight all I get is abstract titles and it won't display the abstract. Thinking it was a quirk in my browser, that somehow I had some settings off I tried IE and still, PubMed is failing. Perhaps tomorrow it will be back up so I can do some searching. As I recall, a traditional Japanese diet (low cardiovascular disease) contained about 3 grams of EPA+DHA but in regular news stores from searching the web, I'm getting numbers from 1.3 grams on up. News stories tend to get the facts wrong or make huge assumptive leaps, hence, my reason for looking for good references. Steve Mike Shea wrote: > > > Steve: > Where did the 2.5 grams number come from? > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > Mike Shea wrote: > > > > > > From what I have gathered you want high quality good old fashioned Cod > > Liver Oil. High in all the good stuff, A,D and some E as a side benefit. > > > > Quantum is available at > > http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/prod.cfm/ct/4/pid/1034 > <http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/prod.cfm/ct/4/pid/1034> > > <http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/prod.cfm/ct/4/pid/1034 > <http://www.radiantlifecatalog.com/prod.cfm/ct/4/pid/1034>>. > > > > > > > > Mike > > To get the 2.5 grams/day of EPA+DHA one has to take enough fish oil. If > one used Cod Liver Oil, one will get 5 TIMES the RDA of vitamin A, not a > wise decision. Other fish oils don't have the vitamin A problem. > > -- > > Steve - dudescholar4@... <mailto:dudescholar4%40basicmail.net> -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Seems that control of triglycerides is more a function of diet. Delete the HFCS and sugar, processed foods and it should come down. Mike [TakingLipitorAndHa teIt] All In Good Taste > > > > Group, > Attached article great insight on effects of both statins and other > pre-/post MI drugs on our respective lifestyle. I found it difficult > to adjust my scratch cooking style to eliminate the dietary risk > factors while at the same time my sense of taste was increasingly > queered by strong inorganic-metallic taste in the pallet. Both the > Primary MD and Cardio trivalized my comments on this subject during > office visits but the effects lingered as I reverse titrated off the > beta blockers and statins. There was a short period of time while > trying to include HCTZ diuretic into the daily meds package and after > two weeks the increasing bitter taste was literally gagging and I > discontinued that drug. Once again the Primary stated " he never heard > of that symptom " but did not push me to continue. > > For what it's worth this aspect, at least for me, was reversable after > now some 6 months after discontinuing the statins. Still taking Plavix > and Avapro so they at least for me are not in that taste equation. > Increasing daily intake of fish oil was just as effective in reducing > BP as that HCTZ without all of the negatives. > > Hope this helps some questions and concerns out there. > > T/ > Chicago, IL > > > > > http://www.denverpo st.com/lifestyle s/ci_10819814? > source=email > > > ________________________________ > Looking for the perfect gift?Give the gift of Flickr! > ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Cholestrol around 325 & triglycrides around 750----must admit I am a big sweet eater and I know that accounts for some of the elevated lipids.G.ReevesFrom: flyinresorts <flyinresorts@...>Lipitor Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:09:23 AMSubject: Re: All In Good Taste Gloria, If you don't mind my asking, what is your cholesterol and Trigcyceride numbers that had you concerned? Did you take a statin? Statins can induce RLS. Bobby > Kay, > Am taking 2400 mg fish oil and 200 mg CoQ10 on daily basis. Take both > mid-afternoon so not adsorbed by increased fiber diet in morning meal. > > Best regards, > > T/ > Chicago, Il > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: kay > graham <canadiankayte@ .ca> > TakingLipitorAndHat eItgroups (DOT) com > Sent: Tuesday, October > 28, 2008 6:36:52 AM > Subject: Re: > [TakingLipitorAndHa teIt] All In Good Taste > > > can you advise me on fish oil and dosage please? Kay > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Toe > Newman <yallethane@ . com> > Group Leader > <takinglipitorandha t eitgroups (DOT) com> > Sent: Monday, October > 27, 2008 4:34:15 PM > Subject: [TakingLipitorAndHa teIt] All In Good Taste > > > > Group, > Attached article great insight on effects of both statins and other > pre-/post MI drugs on our respective lifestyle. I found it difficult > to adjust my scratch cooking style to eliminate the dietary risk > factors while at the same time my sense of taste was increasingly > queered by strong inorganic-metallic taste in the pallet. Both the > Primary MD and Cardio trivalized my comments on this subject during > office visits but the effects lingered as I reverse titrated off the > beta blockers and statins. There was a short period of time while > trying to include HCTZ diuretic into the daily meds package and after > two weeks the increasing bitter taste was literally gagging and I > discontinued that drug. Once again the Primary stated "he never heard > of that symptom" but did not push me to continue. > > For what it's worth this aspect, at least for me, was reversable after > now some 6 months after discontinuing the statins. Still taking Plavix > and Avapro so they at least for me are not in that taste equation. > Increasing daily intake of fish oil was just as effective in reducing > BP as that HCTZ without all of the negatives. > > Hope this helps some questions and concerns out there. > > T/ > Chicago, IL > > > > > http://www.denverpo st.com/lifestyle s/ci_10819814? > source=email > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Looking for the perfect gift?Give the gift of Flickr! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 I was told that it is a potent form of fish oil Lee... Toe Newman wrote: So Lee, As former natural fats and oils chemist for some 30 years I wonder just why you prefer the Krill Oil to the other C-18 unsaturated fatty acids like fish and olive oil. Not disputing but just wondering as I see many flavors of various oils on the health market these days. T/ Chicago, IL From: Lee Schelin <LSchelin@...> To: Lipitor Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:47:29 PM Subject: Re: All In Good Taste I take CoQ10 also but I take Krill Oil instead of Fish Oil Lee... Toe Newman wrote: Kay, Am taking 2400 mg fish oil and 200 mg CoQ10 on daily basis. Take both mid-afternoon so not adsorbed by increased fiber diet in morning meal. Best regards, T/ Chicago, Il From: kay graham <canadiankayte@ .ca> To: TakingLipitorAndHat eItgroups (DOT) com Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:36:52 AM Subject: Re: [TakingLipitorAndHa teIt] All In Good Taste can you advise me on fish oil and dosage please? Kay From: Toe Newman <yallethane (DOT) com> Group Leader <takinglipitorandhat eitgroups (DOT) com> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:34:15 PM Subject: [TakingLipitorAndHa teIt] All In Good Taste Group, Attached article great insight on effects of both statins and other pre-/post MI drugs on our respective lifestyle. I found it difficult to adjust my scratch cooking style to eliminate the dietary risk factors while at the same time my sense of taste was increasingly queered by strong inorganic-metallic taste in the pallet. Both the Primary MD and Cardio trivalized my comments on this subject during office visits but the effects lingered as I reverse titrated off the beta blockers and statins. There was a short period of time while trying to include HCTZ diuretic into the daily meds package and after two weeks the increasing bitter taste was literally gagging and I discontinued that drug. Once again the Primary stated "he never heard of that symptom" but did not push me to continue. For what it's worth this aspect, at least for me, was reversable after now some 6 months after discontinuing the statins. Still taking Plavix and Avapro so they at least for me are not in that taste equation. Increasing daily intake of fish oil was just as effective in reducing BP as that HCTZ without all of the negatives. Hope this helps some questions and concerns out there. T/ Chicago, IL http://www.denverpo st.com/lifestyle s/ci_10819814? source=email Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Gloria I would like to ask you about the longevity of life in your family tree? Families with proven longevity have cholesterol levels way past 10 some even go up to 14+ especially in the Mediterranean countries who have a high olive oil diet.The Anti Cholesterol regime cannot explain this and always ignore it in any information published. Pamela > > Kay, > > Am taking 2400 mg fish oil and 200 mg CoQ10 on daily basis. Take > both > > mid-afternoon so not adsorbed by increased fiber diet in morning > meal. > > > > Best regards, > > > > T/ > > Chicago, Il > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: kay > > graham <canadiankayte@ .ca> > > TakingLipitorAndHat eItgroups (DOT) com > > Sent: Tuesday, October > > 28, 2008 6:36:52 AM > > Subject: Re: > > [TakingLipitorAndHa teIt] All In Good Taste > > > > > > can you advise me on fish oil and dosage please? Kay > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Toe > > Newman <yallethane@ . com> > > Group Leader > > <takinglipitorandha t eitgroups (DOT) com> > > Sent: Monday, October > > 27, 2008 4:34:15 PM > > Subject: [TakingLipitorAndHa teIt] All In Good Taste > > > > > > > > Group, > > Attached article great insight on effects of both statins and other > > pre-/post MI drugs on our respective lifestyle. I found it > difficult > > to adjust my scratch cooking style to eliminate the dietary risk > > factors while at the same time my sense of taste was increasingly > > queered by strong inorganic-metallic taste in the pallet. Both the > > Primary MD and Cardio trivalized my comments on this subject during > > office visits but the effects lingered as I reverse titrated off the > > beta blockers and statins. There was a short period of time while > > trying to include HCTZ diuretic into the daily meds package and > after > > two weeks the increasing bitter taste was literally gagging and I > > discontinued that drug. Once again the Primary stated " he never > heard > > of that symptom " but did not push me to continue. > > > > For what it's worth this aspect, at least for me, was reversable > after > > now some 6 months after discontinuing the statins. Still taking > Plavix > > and Avapro so they at least for me are not in that taste equation. > > Increasing daily intake of fish oil was just as effective in > reducing > > BP as that HCTZ without all of the negatives. > > > > Hope this helps some questions and concerns out there. > > > > T/ > > Chicago, IL > > > > > > > > > > http://www.denverpo st.com/lifestyle s/ci_10819814? > > source=email > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Looking for the perfect gift?Give the gift of Flickr! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 1, 2008 Report Share Posted November 1, 2008 My mother is 83 and my father died at age 75, I am now 63.GloriaFrom: bty227736 <pamela.sharp@...>Lipitor Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 4:37:25 AMSubject: Re: All In Good Taste Gloria I would like to ask you about the longevity of life in your family tree? Families with proven longevity have cholesterol levels way past 10 some even go up to 14+ especially in the Mediterranean countries who have a high olive oil diet.The Anti Cholesterol regime cannot explain this and always ignore it in any information published. Pamela > > Kay, > > Am taking 2400 mg fish oil and 200 mg CoQ10 on daily basis. Take > both > > mid-afternoon so not adsorbed by increased fiber diet in morning > meal. > > > > Best regards, > > > > T/ > > Chicago, Il > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: kay > > graham <canadiankayte@ .ca> > > TakingLipitorAndHat eItgroups (DOT) com > > Sent: Tuesday, October > > 28, 2008 6:36:52 AM > > Subject: Re: > > [TakingLipitorAndHa teIt] All In Good Taste > > > > > > can you advise me on fish oil and dosage please? Kay > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > From: Toe > > Newman <yallethane@ . com> > > Group Leader > > <takinglipitorandha t eitgroups (DOT) com> > > Sent: Monday, October > > 27, 2008 4:34:15 PM > > Subject: [TakingLipitorAndHa teIt] All In Good Taste > > > > > > > > Group, > > Attached article great insight on effects of both statins and other > > pre-/post MI drugs on our respective lifestyle. I found it > difficult > > to adjust my scratch cooking style to eliminate the dietary risk > > factors while at the same time my sense of taste was increasingly > > queered by strong inorganic-metallic taste in the pallet. Both the > > Primary MD and Cardio trivalized my comments on this subject during > > office visits but the effects lingered as I reverse titrated off the > > beta blockers and statins. There was a short period of time while > > trying to include HCTZ diuretic into the daily meds package and > after > > two weeks the increasing bitter taste was literally gagging and I > > discontinued that drug. Once again the Primary stated "he never > heard > > of that symptom" but did not push me to continue. > > > > For what it's worth this aspect, at least for me, was reversable > after > > now some 6 months after discontinuing the statins. Still taking > Plavix > > and Avapro so they at least for me are not in that taste equation. > > Increasing daily intake of fish oil was just as effective in > reducing > > BP as that HCTZ without all of the negatives. > > > > Hope this helps some questions and concerns out there. > > > > T/ > > Chicago, IL > > > > > > > > > > http://www.denverpo st.com/lifestyle s/ci_10819814? > > source=email > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Looking for the perfect gift?Give the gift of Flickr! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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