Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 , That is a last-ditch effort by Big Pharma to keep their cash cows alive! There is nothing magic about statins and anti-inflammatory effect. There are many anti-inflamatories that do as good a job as statins without the serious side effects. And without an Rx! Aspirin is probably the best, with ibuprofen, acetaminophen and naproxen sodium following some distance back. All are OTC and cheap! The latter three are somewhat dangerous because they have a relatively low overdose threshold and overdoses will cause permanent liver damage. Statins are each one chemical, not a Chinese dinner. They are they bad stuff! Good Luck! Dennis wrote the following on 11/21/2007 11:35 AM: > <snip> > > Well, if the only thing one needs Lipitor type stuff for is to > decrease inflamation....then why don't they come out with a Rx for > that, MINUS the bad stuff . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 , Well, I am living proof that your experience is not universal! (Maybe not even very common.) I have Type II diabetes and drink a large pot of *real* coffee all by myself every day. That means I drink coffee often enough and long enough that my insulin levels shouldn't just " spike " , they should be continuously in the stratosphere! No such luck though, I still have to take Actos, metformin and glimepiride to control my blood sugar. Oh, and during the hot season I also chug down a couple of Diet Pepsi's! I have seen many claims over the past 50 years about various bad side effects of coffee, but I think they are mostly the work of a well-known religious group. It seems that the original claims always appear on the front page of the paper somewhere but the refutations show up as a filler item somewhere in the second or third section! Sorry to hear about your difficulties. Good Luck! Dennis teresa stuart wrote the following on 11/21/2007 01:37 PM: > Kip, I hate to break it to you, but caffeine causes > the insulin levels to spike , and high. I learned all > this the hard way. In Dec of 2003 was diagnosed with > severe hypoglycemia. I did not know that sugar free > foods containing Equal, or Coffee, Tea, Diet Soda´s > with caffeine and made with Nutra sweet were harming > me. See, Doctor´s do not tell you everything, and I > noticed that in the morning my sugar would crash big > time. I mean I could not drive a car until after > 2:00PM. It was the coffee, 2 huge mugs every morning. > Now, I am one big coffee lover, if I could bathe it in > I would. I even have coffee scented creams for the > body. So, my Dr explains that coffee increases > insulin production big time, thus lowering blood sugar > for me, after being diagnosed for over 3 years. Now, > De- Caf has a tiny bit of caffeine, but what the hell. > I love coffee so much , so this is what I do. I mix i > tbs of regular coffee and one tbs of Folgers De Caf in > my peculator(no instant stuff for me thanks). Instead > of drinking two huge mugs every AM, I have one, and > now it has half the caffeine than before. Sometimes in > the afternoon I will have half a mug. I am OK with my > sugar with this. I try not to drink any Diet Soda > hardly ever, only Diet Coke made with Splenda on > occasion. I drink all kinds of iced teas that are > caffeine free with splenda. Cinnamon tea, raspberry, > rose hips, mint etc. See that caffeine also gets your > adrenal glands all fired up, which makes you shaky, > irritable etc. The adrenal glands and pacreas are very > related and work together. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Dennis, According to my Endocrinologist, caffeine increases insulin levels, which for a hypoglycemic like me is disastrous. You are type II Diabetes like my Mother. She drinks coffee, tea, Diet Pepsi every day. Both of you having Type II means 2 things: Your pancreas and body do not know what to do with the insulin, or you do not produce enough. Many type II´s are have also Syndrome X, Metabolic Disorder or other wise known as " Insulin Resistance " also. I have to opposite if you, I make too much insulin. I´d stay away from Nutra Sweet if I were you. And, no I am not a Morman or other religion that does not believe in caffeine. As a matter of fact I am a Catholic, you knos we can drink and go to confession the next day! Ask your Edno. about caffeine. --- " Dennis G. Wicks " <dgwicks@...> wrote: > , > > > Well, I am living proof that your experience is not > universal! > > (Maybe not even very common.) > > > I have Type II diabetes and drink a large pot of > *real* coffee > > all by myself every day. That means I drink coffee > often enough > > and long enough that my insulin levels shouldn't > just " spike " , > > they should be continuously in the stratosphere! No > such > > luck though, I still have to take Actos, metformin > and glimepiride > > to control my blood sugar. Oh, and during the hot > season I > > also chug down a couple of Diet Pepsi's! > > > I have seen many claims over the past 50 years about > various > > bad side effects of coffee, but I think they are > mostly the work > > of a well-known religious group. It seems that the > original claims > > always appear on the front page of the paper > somewhere but the > > refutations show up as a filler item somewhere in > the second or > > third section! > > > Sorry to hear about your difficulties. > > > Good Luck! > > Dennis > > > > teresa stuart wrote the following on 11/21/2007 > 01:37 PM: > > > Kip, I hate to break it to you, but caffeine > causes > > the insulin levels to spike , and high. I learned > all > > this the hard way. In Dec of 2003 was diagnosed > with > > severe hypoglycemia. I did not know that sugar > free > > foods containing Equal, or Coffee, Tea, Diet > Soda´s > > with caffeine and made with Nutra sweet were > harming > > me. See, Doctor´s do not tell you everything, and > I > > noticed that in the morning my sugar would crash > big > > time. I mean I could not drive a car until after > > 2:00PM. It was the coffee, 2 huge mugs every > morning. > > Now, I am one big coffee lover, if I could bathe > it in > > I would. I even have coffee scented creams for the > > body. So, my Dr explains that coffee increases > > insulin production big time, thus lowering blood > sugar > > for me, after being diagnosed for over 3 years. > Now, > > De- Caf has a tiny bit of caffeine, but what the > hell. > > I love coffee so much , so this is what I do. I > mix i > > tbs of regular coffee and one tbs of Folgers De > Caf in > > my peculator(no instant stuff for me thanks). > Instead > > of drinking two huge mugs every AM, I have one, > and > > now it has half the caffeine than before. > Sometimes in > > the afternoon I will have half a mug. I am OK with > my > > sugar with this. I try not to drink any Diet Soda > > hardly ever, only Diet Coke made with Splenda on > > occasion. I drink all kinds of iced teas that are > > caffeine free with splenda. Cinnamon tea, > raspberry, > > rose hips, mint etc. See that caffeine also gets > your > > adrenal glands all fired up, which makes you > shaky, > > irritable etc. The adrenal glands and pacreas are > very > > related and work together. > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make your homepage. http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 For What it is Worth Department ! My cardiologist back in 1996 after inserting a stent in my LAD, suggested that I wean myself off coffee or at least stick to "DeCaf" . He said that caffine is a powerful stimulate that my heart did not need. He suggested that if I did not believe him, stop drinking coffee for about a week and then get up one morning, fix myself a cup of regular coffee and sit back and wait for the reaction. Soooooo, I took him up on the suggestion and HE WAS CORRECT. It felt like a razor sharp electrical charge hitting my heart. No more regular coffee for me. Since then I've starved myself with two small cups of 1/2-caffine coffee in the morning and that is it. I seldom drink ice tea anymore. Hot tea.....I go with the Herb sorts which are good. The Mormons just may have something there....hummm? Spring (Houston),Texasteresa stuart <lilliebelle3@...> wrote: Dennis,According to my Endocrinologist, caffeine increasesinsulin levels, which for a hypoglycemic like me isdisastrous. You are type II Diabetes like my Mother.She drinks coffee, tea, Diet Pepsi every day. Both ofyou having Type II means 2 things: Your pancreas andbody do not know what to do with the insulin, or youdo not produce enough. Many type II´s are have alsoSyndrome X, Metabolic Disorder or other wise known as"Insulin Resistance " also. I have to opposite ifyou, I make too much insulin. I´d stay away from NutraSweet if I were you. And, no I am not a Morman orother religion that does not believe in caffeine. As amatter of fact I am a Catholic, you knos we can drinkand go to confession the next day!Ask your Edno. about caffeine.--- "Dennis G. Wicks" <dgwicksgmail> wrote:> ,> > > Well, I am living proof that your experience is not> universal!> > (Maybe not even very common.)> > > I have Type II diabetes and drink a large pot of> *real* coffee> > all by myself every day. That means I drink coffee> often enough> > and long enough that my insulin levels shouldn't> just "spike",> > they should be continuously in the stratosphere! No> such> > luck though, I still have to take Actos, metformin> and glimepiride> > to control my blood sugar. Oh, and during the hot> season I> > also chug down a couple of Diet Pepsi's!> > > I have seen many claims over the past 50 years about> various> > bad side effects of coffee, but I think they are> mostly the work> > of a well-known religious group. It seems that the> original claims> > always appear on the front page of the paper> somewhere but the> > refutations show up as a filler item somewhere in> the second or> > third section!> > > Sorry to hear about your difficulties.> > > Good Luck!> > Dennis> > > > teresa stuart wrote the following on 11/21/2007> 01:37 PM:> > > Kip, I hate to break it to you, but caffeine> causes> > the insulin levels to spike , and high. I learned> all> > this the hard way. In Dec of 2003 was diagnosed> with> > severe hypoglycemia. I did not know that sugar> free> > foods containing Equal, or Coffee, Tea, Diet> Soda´s> > with caffeine and made with Nutra sweet were> harming> > me. See, Doctor´s do not tell you everything, and> I> > noticed that in the morning my sugar would crash> big> > time. I mean I could not drive a car until after> > 2:00PM. It was the coffee, 2 huge mugs every> morning.> > Now, I am one big coffee lover, if I could bathe> it in> > I would. I even have coffee scented creams for the> > body. So, my Dr explains that coffee increases> > insulin production big time, thus lowering blood> sugar> > for me, after being diagnosed for over 3 years.> Now,> > De- Caf has a tiny bit of caffeine, but what the> hell.> > I love coffee so much , so this is what I do. I> mix i> > tbs of regular coffee and one tbs of Folgers De> Caf in> > my peculator(no instant stuff for me thanks).> Instead> > of drinking two huge mugs every AM, I have one,> and> > now it has half the caffeine than before.> Sometimes in> > the afternoon I will have half a mug. I am OK with> my> > sugar with this. I try not to drink any Diet Soda> > hardly ever, only Diet Coke made with Splenda on> > occasion. I drink all kinds of iced teas that are> > caffeine free with splenda. Cinnamon tea,> raspberry,> > rose hips, mint etc. See that caffeine also gets> your> > adrenal glands all fired up, which makes you> shaky,> > irritable etc. The adrenal glands and pacreas are> very> > related and work together.> > > >> > > __________________________________________________________Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make your homepage.http://www./r/hs Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Ah Dennis... How was incorrect? If you are type 2, drink a whole pot of real coffee daily and DIDN'T have to take Actos, metformin and glimepiride to control your blood sugar, I could understand your statement. What am I missing? Fran ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dennis wrote: , Well, I am living proof that your experience is not universal! (Maybe not even very common.) I have Type II diabetes and drink a large pot of *real* coffee all by myself every day. That means I drink coffee often enough and long enough that my insulin levels shouldn't just " spike " , they should be continuously in the stratosphere! No such luck though, I still have to take Actos, metformin and glimepiride to control my blood sugar. Oh, and during the hot season I also chug down a couple of Diet Pepsi's! teresa stuart wrote the following on 11/21/2007 01:37 PM: Excerpt: > Kip, I hate to break it to you, but caffeine causes > the insulin levels to spike , and high. I learned all > this the hard way. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2007 Report Share Posted November 23, 2007 Hi Dennis & , Even aspirin can have nasty side effects. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin The safest and most effective is grape seed/grape skin extracts & /or resveratrol, all of which inhibit platelet function and release of reactive oxygen intermediates (and a long list of other benefits). Use caution/adjust/monitor if taking blood thinning medications. Fran ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dennis wrote: Aspirin is probably the best, with ibuprofen, acetaminophen and naproxen sodium following some distance back. All are OTC and cheap! The latter three are somewhat dangerous because they have a relatively low overdose threshold and overdoses will cause permanent liver damage. wrote the following on 11/21/2007 11:35 AM: > <snip> > Well, if the only thing one needs Lipitor type stuff for is to > decrease inflamation....then why don't they come out with a Rx > for that, MINUS the bad stuff . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Fran; Diabetes in general = low insulin production, high blood sugar. Drugs I/any diabetic take are to increase insulin production and/or increase glucose utilization. If coffee increased my insulin production I wouldn't have to take the drugs, but I do, therefore ... said that coffee causes her insulin to spike, ie. go way up, quickly, then drop, very quickly! This causes a fast and extreme drop in her blood glucose level which can cause weakness, dizziness, fainting, and in extreme cases, coma. In my case that is very obviously not the case, so it is probably not the case with everybody. Regards, Dennis Fran wrote the following on 11/23/2007 11:38 PM: > Ah Dennis... How was incorrect? > If you are type 2, drink a whole pot of real coffee daily and DIDN'T > have to take Actos, metformin and glimepiride to control your blood > sugar, I could understand your statement. What am I missing? > > Fran > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Dennis wrote: > , > Well, I am living proof that your experience is not universal! > (Maybe not even very common.) > I have Type II diabetes and drink a large pot of *real* coffee > all by myself every day. That means I drink coffee often enough > and long enough that my insulin levels shouldn't just " spike " , > they should be continuously in the stratosphere! No such > luck though, I still have to take Actos, metformin and glimepiride > to control my blood sugar. Oh, and during the hot season I > also chug down a couple of Diet Pepsi's! > > teresa stuart wrote the following on 11/21/2007 01:37 PM: > > Excerpt: > > Kip, I hate to break it to you, but caffeine causes > > the insulin levels to spike , and high. I learned all > > this the hard way. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Dennis, It´s . I would still check with your Endocrinologist. I have heard many Type II Diabetics tell me their Doctors told them to limit or cut out coffee all together. My Mother is a Type II also, the DR here and the USA told her to lay off coffee and Equal. She still drinks it but much less than before. Problem with Type II´s, is that do not understand if they are also a bit " Insulin Resistant " . Type II´s make Insulin, sometimes not enough or, their body does not know what to do with it. Have you checked your insulin levels? I have and a GIT. Yes, coffee gives me a huge crash because it increases my insulin. The liver, pancreas, and adrenal glands all work together with glycogen and insulin. When I and many other people drink coffee, we get very stimulated and hyper, of course this is caused by the caffeine, but also the reaction from the adrenal glands. The Adrenal Glands are our " Fight for life or fear " glands. Ever see a drug addict on crack in a movie who was so strong and go take on over 4 police officers? Or a mental patient highly agitated; how about the men on Steroids who are on a Steroid rage. It´s the adrenal glands that make us shaky, in a bad mood, irritable, and just down right nasty as hell. Coffee does not help it at all. Hypoglycemia causes all what you stated and more: Irritability, nerves on edge, trembling, shakiness, headaches, insomnia, heart palpitations, the list goes on and on. Increased Insulin production causes belly fat and tens to make one not easy to lose weight. In other words Insulin (too much or not knowing where to store it) makes us FAT. I am not trying to give problems here, these are my experience's,. but Insulin and coffee are bad together. By the way, Syndrome X is the new killer out there, it´s all about your insulin, if you have belly fat, be aware. This can cause heart attacks, strokes, high chol. and trigs. --- " Dennis G. Wicks " <dgwicks@...> wrote: > Fran; > > > Diabetes in general = low insulin production, high > blood sugar. > > > Drugs I/any diabetic take are to increase insulin > production and/or > > increase glucose utilization. > > > If coffee increased my insulin production I wouldn't > have to take the > > drugs, but I do, therefore ... > > > said that coffee causes her insulin to spike, > ie. go way up, > > quickly, then drop, very quickly! This causes a fast > and extreme drop in > her > > blood glucose level which can cause weakness, > dizziness, fainting, and in > > extreme cases, coma. > > > In my case that is very obviously not the case, so > it is probably not > > the case with everybody. > > > Regards, > > Dennis > > > > Fran wrote the following on 11/23/2007 11:38 PM: > > > Ah Dennis... How was incorrect? > > If you are type 2, drink a whole pot of real > coffee daily and DIDN'T > > have to take Actos, metformin and glimepiride to > control your blood > > sugar, I could understand your statement. What am > I missing? > > > > Fran > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Dennis wrote: > > , > > Well, I am living proof that your experience is > not universal! > > (Maybe not even very common.) > > I have Type II diabetes and drink a large pot of > *real* coffee > > all by myself every day. That means I drink coffee > often enough > > and long enough that my insulin levels shouldn't > just " spike " , > > they should be continuously in the stratosphere! > No such > > luck though, I still have to take Actos, metformin > and glimepiride > > to control my blood sugar. Oh, and during the hot > season I > > also chug down a couple of Diet Pepsi's! > > > > teresa stuart wrote the following on 11/21/2007 > 01:37 PM: > > > > Excerpt: > > > Kip, I hate to break it to you, but caffeine > causes > > > the insulin levels to spike , and high. I > learned all > > > this the hard way. > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Fran; Those " nasty " side effects have been being promulgated for at least 30 years, and they are just as mistaken as they were then, even more so since they have since discovered that the vast majority of ulcers are caused by bacterial infection. The issue of stomach bleeding, which occurs in about 1 in 9000 instances, has been found to be related to the use of other drugs being taken at the same time more than the aspirin. Also, most of those rare occurrences are minor. If your stomach gets upset from taking aspirin, use the buffered kind. About 40 years ago there was a long term study done of people suffering from arthritis, who were taking 20 to 24 aspirin a day for pain. They had no serious or long term side effects. Given the topic of this group I hate to bring this up, but aspirin is one of the very few OTC medications that is actually suggested, recommended and " prescribed " by doctors. It is a wonder drug. It is an anti-inflammatory, analgesic, and clot preventer and buster (anti-coagulant). Every adult in the world should be taking one full-strength, 325 mg., aspirin every day, and the older you are, the more important it is. Aside from the fact that the grape seed stuff is 10 times as expensive as aspirin, it is not recommended by doctors and has never been subjected to any studies or trials that I have been able to find. Aspirin has, many times since it was discovered. Recent studies have found that there is no difference in effectiveness or side effects between children's strength and regular adult strength aspirin. The manufacturers would probably like you to think so though since it is now widely known that children shouldn't be given aspirin because of the risk of them developing Reye's syndrome and the " children's " market has pretty well dried up. And the low-dose pills are twice as expensive per dose than regular strength aspirin. Good health! Dennis Fran wrote the following on 11/23/2007 11:58 PM: > Hi Dennis & , > > Even aspirin can have nasty side effects. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin> > > The safest and most effective is grape seed/grape skin extracts & /or > resveratrol, all of which inhibit platelet function and release of > reactive oxygen intermediates (and a long list of other benefits). > Use caution/adjust/monitor if taking blood thinning medications. > > Fran > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Dennis wrote: > Aspirin is probably the best, with ibuprofen, acetaminophen and > naproxen sodium following some distance back. All are OTC and cheap! > The latter three are somewhat dangerous because they have a relatively > low overdose threshold and overdoses will cause permanent liver damage. > > wrote the following on 11/21/2007 11:35 AM: > > <snip> > > Well, if the only thing one needs Lipitor type stuff for is to > > decrease inflamation....then why don't they come out with a Rx > > for that, MINUS the bad stuff . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Huh? Me take aspirin every day for the rest of my life? No thank- you!! I don't want to subject my brain or any internal organs to excessive bleeding. Furthermore, there are enough nutritional supplements out there that will do a lot better and SAFER job. I like my Vitamin C, 6 grams per day minimum, sometimes more. Then there is fish oil and Vitamin E, I don't care how cheep aspirin is, it isn't worth the bleeding side effects. Good luck! phine > > Given the topic of this group I hate to bring this up, but aspirin is one of > > the very few OTC medications that is actually suggested, recommended and > > " prescribed " by doctors. It is a wonder drug. It is an anti- inflammatory, > > analgesic, and clot preventer and buster (anti-coagulant). Every adult > in the > > world should be taking one full-strength, 325 mg., aspirin every day, and > > the older you are, the more important it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 coffee extract for glucose management http://search.lef.org/cgi-src-bin/MsmGo.exe?grab_id=0 & page_id=2684 & query=coffee%\ 20extract & hiword=COFFEA%20COFFEES%20COFFEY%20EXTRAC%20EXTRACTA%20EXTRACTABLE%20E\ XTRACTAN%20EXTRACTED%20EXTRACTING%20EXTRACTION%20EXTRACTIONS%20EXTRACTIVE%20EXTR\ ACTON%20EXTRACTS%20coffee%20extract%20 -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Wanted to again attach the article which mentions the high Number Needed to Treat for aspirin. The NNT for statins is what made me not feel guilty or worried about going off them. I worry that people think "oh my god, if I dont take aspirin I am a fool and will keel over tomorrow of a heart attack". I think we learned in about 8th grade math that percentages are misleading when the absolute numbers are low. So why do the drug companies get away with it, when we are talking about your life??? This is a good document to show a doctor who is pushy about the statins. And if you have friends or family that agonize over breast feeding, the hype about those benefits is just that - the NNT for that is VERY high as you will read - this is something the public has been horribly misled on - I find women get very emotional about that - but its the ones, like my wife, who couldnt breast feed that deserve to know that the chances of your child getting some horrible disease by not breast feeding are VERY low. No guilt trip necessary. This is an important tool in our war against those who want us on every drug they can think of. Kip"Dennis G. Wicks" <dgwicks@...> wrote: Fran;Those "nasty" side effects have been being promulgated for at least30 years, and they are just as mistaken as they were then, even moreso since they have since discovered that the vast majority of ulcers arecaused by bacterial infection.The issue of stomach bleeding, which occurs in about 1 in 9000 instances,has been found to be related to the use of other drugs being taken at thesame time more than the aspirin. Also, most of those rare occurrences are minor.If your stomach gets upset from taking aspirin, use the buffered kind.About 40 years ago there was a long term study done of people suffering fromarthritis, who were taking 20 to 24 aspirin a day for pain. They had noseriousor long term side effects.Given the topic of this group I hate to bring this up, but aspirin is one ofthe very few OTC medications that is actually suggested, recommended and"prescribed" by doctors. It is a wonder drug. It is an anti-inflammatory,analgesic, and clot preventer and buster (anti-coagulant). Every adultin theworld should be taking one full-strength, 325 mg., aspirin every day, andthe older you are, the more important it is.Aside from the fact that the grape seed stuff is 10 times as expensive asaspirin, it is not recommended by doctors and has never been subjectedto any studies or trials that I have been able to find. Aspirin has, manytimes since it was discovered.Recent studies have found that there is no difference in effectiveness orside effects between children's strength and regular adult strength aspirin.The manufacturers would probably like you to think so though since itis now widely known that children shouldn't be given aspirin because of therisk of them developing Reye's syndrome and the "children's" market haspretty well dried up. And the low-dose pills are twice as expensive per dosethan regular strength aspirin.Good health!DennisFran wrote the following on 11/23/2007 11:58 PM:> Hi Dennis & ,>> Even aspirin can have nasty side effects.> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspirin>>> The safest and most effective is grape seed/grape skin extracts & /or> resveratrol, all of which inhibit platelet function and release of> reactive oxygen intermediates (and a long list of other benefits).> Use caution/adjust/monitor if taking blood thinning medications.>> Fran> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> Dennis wrote:> Aspirin is probably the best, with ibuprofen, acetaminophen and> naproxen sodium following some distance back. All are OTC and cheap!> The latter three are somewhat dangerous because they have a relatively> low overdose threshold and overdoses will cause permanent liver damage.>> wrote the following on 11/21/2007 11:35 AM:> > <snip>> > Well, if the only thing one needs Lipitor type stuff for is to> > decrease inflamation....then why don't they come out with a Rx> > for that, MINUS the bad stuff .>> True affluence is not needing anything- Snyder Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Hi Kip, Thanks for the information. But, who is the source and author of the information in your attachment? I like to see who is writing it and where did it come from? Please send us the link of where you got the info from please. Thanks, phine > > Wanted to again attach the article which mentions the high Number Needed to Treat for aspirin. The NNT for statins is what made me not feel guilty or worried about going off them. I worry that people think " oh my god, if I dont take aspirin I am a fool and will keel over tomorrow of a heart attack " . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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