Guest guest Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 I may have found someone who doesn't mind screaming kids: other little kids. Tonight I was out doing some shopping. Around me was a family with several very young children who were well behaved. Somewhere else in the store, a kid started screaming. By the third scream, the youngest of the family's kids started screaming every time the other kid screamed. Another scream or two and the other kid screamed too. By that time I had already vacated the area so I don't really know how long that went on, since I had checked out and was leaving. It would be interesting to find out why kids do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 My son has always disliked others screaming or crying - he wants to just get away. I like to point out to him that he sometimes screams and cries though. He cannot stand crying babies - can't say I am overly fond of them myself. I wonder if these kids you are describing were communicating in some way with a range of screams? I've often noticed with dogs barking (another dislike) that once one starts up - others join in on the barking - annoyingly so. > > I may have found someone who doesn't mind screaming kids: other little kids. > Tonight I was out doing some shopping. Around me was a family with several > very young children who were well behaved. Somewhere else in the store, a kid > started screaming. By the third scream, the youngest of the family's kids > started screaming every time the other kid screamed. Another scream or two and > the other kid screamed too. By that time I had already vacated the area so I > don't really know how long that went on, since I had checked out and was > leaving. > > It would be interesting to find out why kids do that. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 My son has always disliked others screaming or crying - he wants to just get away. I like to point out to him that he sometimes screams and cries though. He cannot stand crying babies - can't say I am overly fond of them myself. I wonder if these kids you are describing were communicating in some way with a range of screams? I've often noticed with dogs barking (another dislike) that once one starts up - others join in on the barking - annoyingly so. > > I may have found someone who doesn't mind screaming kids: other little kids. > Tonight I was out doing some shopping. Around me was a family with several > very young children who were well behaved. Somewhere else in the store, a kid > started screaming. By the third scream, the youngest of the family's kids > started screaming every time the other kid screamed. Another scream or two and > the other kid screamed too. By that time I had already vacated the area so I > don't really know how long that went on, since I had checked out and was > leaving. > > It would be interesting to find out why kids do that. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 This works in my above theory too... Screaming kids can also attract predators and so for non care givers to remove themselves from an area with screaming kids makes good sense... Ender At 02:46 AM 1/26/2006, you wrote: >My son has always disliked others screaming or crying - he wants to >just get away. I like to point out to him that he sometimes screams >and cries though. > >He cannot stand crying babies - can't say I am overly fond of them >myself. > >I wonder if these kids you are describing were communicating in some >way with a range of screams? > >I've often noticed with dogs barking (another dislike) that once one >starts up - others join in on the barking - annoyingly so. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 For me, there's a vast difference between a screaming baby and screaming kids. Babies are supposed to cry, kids need to be taught not to scream. I really dislike the way parents are no longer disciplining their kids and spoiling them here in the states. The kids are unhappy this way and act like such brats. Know it's to the point where they're hitting the parent and calling them names because they're desperate for the child to act like a parent. Hearing the parent say in a tiny little sugary-sweet voice, " Don't hit mommy, sweetie " makes me sick. Sometimes I say something to the child, not caring what the parent's reaction is. Often the child responds well because they really want an adult to be in charge which makes them feel secure--they know they themselves shouldn't be in charge! > > I may have found someone who doesn't mind screaming kids: other little kids. > Tonight I was out doing some shopping. Around me was a family with several > very young children who were well behaved. Somewhere else in the store, a kid > started screaming. By the third scream, the youngest of the family's kids > started screaming every time the other kid screamed. Another scream or two and > the other kid screamed too. By that time I had already vacated the area so I > don't really know how long that went on, since I had checked out and was > leaving. > > It would be interesting to find out why kids do that. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 For me, there's a vast difference between a screaming baby and screaming kids. Babies are supposed to cry, kids need to be taught not to scream. I really dislike the way parents are no longer disciplining their kids and spoiling them here in the states. The kids are unhappy this way and act like such brats. Know it's to the point where they're hitting the parent and calling them names because they're desperate for the child to act like a parent. Hearing the parent say in a tiny little sugary-sweet voice, " Don't hit mommy, sweetie " makes me sick. Sometimes I say something to the child, not caring what the parent's reaction is. Often the child responds well because they really want an adult to be in charge which makes them feel secure--they know they themselves shouldn't be in charge! > > I may have found someone who doesn't mind screaming kids: other little kids. > Tonight I was out doing some shopping. Around me was a family with several > very young children who were well behaved. Somewhere else in the store, a kid > started screaming. By the third scream, the youngest of the family's kids > started screaming every time the other kid screamed. Another scream or two and > the other kid screamed too. By that time I had already vacated the area so I > don't really know how long that went on, since I had checked out and was > leaving. > > It would be interesting to find out why kids do that. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 In a message dated 1/26/2006 10:00:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mikecarrie01@... writes: Hearing the parent say in a tiny little sugary-sweet voice, "Don't hit mommy, sweetie" makes me sick. Sometimes I say something to the child, not caring what the parent's reaction is. Often the child responds well because they really want an adult to be in charge which makes them feel secure--they know they themselves shouldn't be in charge! I wanted to slap a woman a few months ago in the grocery. Her little daughter was a monster and the mother was actually referring to her as "Ma'am", which is what the brat should have been calling her. The kid was making a mess, especially with the piece of baloney she was eating. She was actually getting more of it on the floor than in her mouth and eventually dropped half the piece right in the checkout aisle where an old woman almost slipped on it. I've seen a lot of this and heard about even more from my mother who has to deal with that kind of parent all too often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Here is a link to the actual song itself. You will find it at the bottom of the page following the lyrics. Much more interesting that just reading the words. http://it.stlawu.edu/~x0tsing/takeaway.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 In a message dated 1/26/2006 5:40:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, no_reply writes: There is another side to all this that we may not see though. In the US, it is now "abusive" to yell, threaten, or spank your kid, and so lots of times the discipline is saved until the kids get home. I happen to think spanking is not a good idea, but I'm saying it's more prevelant behind closed doors than most of us think, I'm sure.TomAdministrator You could be right. My folks would make me sit in the "naughty chair" when I was bad. I think I only got spanked two or three times and that was only when I did something really stupid. Some of my friends got spanked a lot but it didn't seem to have any real effect on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 >: "Babies are supposed to cry"What! Who told you this? Crying is a clear signal that something is just not quite right. Maybe I'm all wrong and it's been forty years since my kids were around......  Rainbow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 I used to have night terrors. Those were pretty nasty and usually involved me being chased by something really horrible, though rarely did I actually see the thing. I don't think I ever woke up screaming, but it was very close. They do go away after a while though, so when he gets older it should stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 I suppose that means to say that babies can only communicate by crying? They cannot control their voice, or anything else. But you are right as well: If a baby cries, there probably is something that the baby is in need of something. Lida >: "Babies are supposed to cry" What! Who told you this? Crying is a clear signal that something is just not quite right. Maybe I'm all wrong and it's been forty years since my kids were around...... Rainbow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Technically, the kinds of dreams that you wake up screaming from are night terrors. These are more intense than regular nightmares. Mine slowed and stopped in my teens though I a few in my twenties. Haven't had any in years though. Like I said, mine were usually about being chased by something. When I had a series of these dreams over a few week period, I got tired of it. So, I started turning to hunt whatever it was that was hunting me. It took time because whatever it was kept in the dark and behind the bushes and trees. Finally I came out into the open near a stream with a bridge. I ran to the bridge because that felt like the right thing to do. From the woods actually came a few British Redcoats complete with muskets. I jumped off the bridge into the water and they didn't find me. When I got out and back onto the bridge, there was this bit Redcoat Sergeant there waiting for me. He grabbed me and we wrestled, falling back into the water. Rather than try to get away, I fought him and was trying to kill him, like he was trying to do to me. That's when he started to dissolve like Alka-Seltzer minus the bubbles. When he was gone I got back on the bridge and walked across to the other side. I think I was about 23, plus or minus a year or two, when I had that dream and I haven't had a night terror or really that kind of scary nightmare since that I can recall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Thanks, Lida, that's just what I meant. I need to stop using idiomatic terms or whatever it is that I'm doing. > > I suppose that means to say that babies can only communicate by crying? They cannot control their voice, or anything else. > But you are right as well: If a baby cries, there probably is something that the baby is in need of something. > > Lida > >: " Babies are supposed to cry " > > > What! Who told you this? Crying is a clear signal that something is just not quite right. > > > Maybe I'm all wrong and it's been forty years since my kids were around...... > > > Rainbow > > > > > > > > > FAM Secret Society is a community based on respect, friendship, support and acceptance. Everyone is valued. > > Don't forget, there are links to other FAM sites on the Links page in the folder marked " Other FAM Sites. " > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 So you were able to determine the baby's needs a second before it did and come to the rescue to head off it's crying? Wow, superdad! > > >: " Babies are supposed to cry " > > What! Who told you this? Crying is a clear signal that something is > just not quite right. > > Maybe I'm all wrong and it's been forty years since my kids were > around...... > > Rainbow > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 There is another side to all this that we may not see though. In the US, it is now " abusive " to yell, threaten, or spank your kid, and so lots of times the discipline is saved until the kids get home. I happen to think spanking is not a good idea, but I'm saying it's more prevelant behind closed doors than most of us think, I'm sure. Tom Administrator In a message dated 1/26/2006 10:00:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mikecarrie01@... writes: Hearing the parent say in a tiny little sugary-sweet voice, " Don't hit mommy, sweetie " makes me sick. Sometimes I say something to the child, not caring what the parent's reaction is. Often the child responds well because they really want an adult to be in charge which makes them feel secure--they know they themselves shouldn't be in charge! I wanted to slap a woman a few months ago in the grocery. Her little daughter was a monster and the mother was actually referring to her as " Ma'am " , which is what the brat should have been calling her. The kid was making a mess, especially with the piece of baloney she was eating. She was actually getting more of it on the floor than in her mouth and eventually dropped half the piece right in the checkout aisle where an old woman almost slipped on it. I've seen a lot of this and heard about even more from my mother who has to deal with that kind of parent all too often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 There is another side to all this that we may not see though. Well put Tom As a very small child i was spanked so hard that the bourses was still visible 1 week later. And the reason was i was having an uncontrollable / involuntary screaming FIT. john Re: Screaming kids > There is another side to all this that we may not see though. > > In the US, it is now " abusive " to yell, threaten, or spank your kid, > and so lots of times the discipline is saved until the kids get > home. > > I happen to think spanking is not a good idea, but I'm saying it's > more prevelant behind closed doors than most of us think, I'm sure. > > Tom > Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 Sometimes they just seem to cry for no apparent reason though - there probably is one, but you just can't find it. I know my son used to suffer from night terrors and still does occasionaly - I wonder sometimes if this was why he was sometimes unconsolable as a baby - I couldn't figure out what was wrong and he couldn't tell me. There were times when nothing would settle him - and I mean nothing and as much as it pained me I had to walk away and let him cry himself to sleep after trying everything else and checking everything else - sometimes nothing seemed to work - but I myself have cried myself to sleep maybee this is something that just sometimes happens - some pain from within we cannot describe. > > >: " Babies are supposed to cry " > > What! Who told you this? Crying is a clear signal that something is > just not quite right. > > Maybe I'm all wrong and it's been forty years since my kids were > around...... > > Rainbow > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2006 Report Share Posted January 26, 2006 I think sometimes as a parent you just cannot win though. I am quite strict with my son - but I know how to nip things in the bud (so to speak) before they get out of hand and yet some would say I am too strict - Awwwwwwwwww let him have whatever it is he is tantruming for - I think not! and yet if I let him run amok I would be judged for that - I bring my son up the way I see fit and do a good job of it and I hate people butting in (without been asked - it's different if I ask) - it seems like once you have a kid - everyone get's to have their two penneth on how they are raised. Sorry in ranting mood - I do keep my son in check though and do not let him run amok - but sometimes I feel it's like 'your damned if you do and your damned if you don't' sort of thing :-( > > > In a message dated 1/26/2006 10:00:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > mikecarrie01@y... writes: > > Hearing the > parent say in a tiny little sugary-sweet voice, " Don't hit mommy, > sweetie " makes me sick. Sometimes I say something to the child, not > caring what the parent's reaction is. Often the child responds well > because they really want an adult to be in charge which makes them > feel secure--they know they themselves shouldn't be in charge! > > > > I wanted to slap a woman a few months ago in the grocery. Her little > daughter was a monster and the mother was actually referring to her as " Ma'am " , > which is what the brat should have been calling her. The kid was making a mess, > especially with the piece of baloney she was eating. She was actually getting > more of it on the floor than in her mouth and eventually dropped half the > piece right in the checkout aisle where an old woman almost slipped on it. > > I've seen a lot of this and heard about even more from my mother who has to > deal with that kind of parent all too often. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 Ooooooooooo thanks for the link - I was actually singing the chorus of this song earlier on today - before this post :-) > > Here is a link to the actual song itself. You will find it at the bottom of > the page following the lyrics. Much more interesting that just reading the > words. > > _http://it.stlawu.edu/~x0tsing/takeaway.htm_ > (http://it.stlawu.edu/~x0tsing/takeaway.htm) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 Ooooooooooo thanks for the link - I was actually singing the chorus of this song earlier on today - before this post :-) > > Here is a link to the actual song itself. You will find it at the bottom of > the page following the lyrics. Much more interesting that just reading the > words. > > _http://it.stlawu.edu/~x0tsing/takeaway.htm_ > (http://it.stlawu.edu/~x0tsing/takeaway.htm) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 And here I was thinking that parents took there kids to the supermarkets to smack them - must be a UK thing :-) > > In a message dated 1/26/2006 10:00:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > mikecarrie01@y... writes: > Hearing the parent say in a tiny little sugary-sweet voice, " Don't > hit mommy, sweetie " makes me sick. Sometimes I say something to the > child, not caring what the parent's reaction is. Often the child > responds well because they really want an adult to be in charge > which makes them feel secure--they know they themselves shouldn't be > in charge! > > I wanted to slap a woman a few months ago in the grocery. Her little > daughter was a monster and the mother was actually referring to her > as " Ma'am " , which is what the brat should have been calling her. The > kid was making a mess, especially with the piece of baloney she was > eating. She was actually getting more of it on the floor than in her > mouth and eventually dropped half the piece right in the checkout > aisle where an old woman almost slipped on it. > > I've seen a lot of this and heard about even more from my mother who > has to deal with that kind of parent all too often. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 He's nearly 12 now and still screams out in his sleep - as do I - we both suffer from sleep disturbances/disorders - I don't know the correct terms though. > > I used to have night terrors. Those were pretty nasty and usually involved > me being chased by something really horrible, though rarely did I actually see > the thing. I don't think I ever woke up screaming, but it was very close. > They do go away after a while though, so when he gets older it should stop. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 --Both my sisters(who are NT)had them as kids.One of them started up again when she was in college and stressed out,but then she was OK. Kajira - In , VISIGOTH@A... wrote: > > I used to have night terrors. Those were pretty nasty and usually involved > me being chased by something really horrible, though rarely did I actually see > the thing. I don't think I ever woke up screaming, but it was very close. > They do go away after a while though, so when he gets older it should stop. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2006 Report Share Posted January 27, 2006 --Both my sisters(who are NT)had them as kids.One of them started up again when she was in college and stressed out,but then she was OK. Kajira - In , VISIGOTH@A... wrote: > > I used to have night terrors. Those were pretty nasty and usually involved > me being chased by something really horrible, though rarely did I actually see > the thing. I don't think I ever woke up screaming, but it was very close. > They do go away after a while though, so when he gets older it should stop. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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