SV: The preils of gossip and being social.

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In a message dated 1/4/2006 4:31:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, no_reply writes:

It's a sin when a lawyer says to himself, "Hey, these angry people are wrong, but I see an opportunity to make money by exploiting their anger." And it's a sin when the lawyers win in such cases, because it will teach society this moral lesson: Even when it's your own idiocy that's at fault, you can still falsely blame someone else, win money that isn't yours, and punish harshly someone that did no wrong while absolving your own guilty self of responsibility for sheer stupidity and irrationalism.

I've never liked those ambulance chasers. Its just greedy, amoral people willing to exploit other people's misery for a quick buck. These lawyers don't care either that their lawsuits close businesses and put people out of work. Nor do they care if they are putting doctors out of work or running them out of certain states, nor that hospitals are closing, emergency rooms are closing or that women have to travel a hundred miles or more and across state lines to see a gynecologist.

Sadly, these tort lawyers give so much money to the politicians that reform of the system is next to impossible. Well its doesn't matter. States like Louisiana and Mississippi, two of the worst offenders, are losing more and more industry and it will soon reach a point that they will have to reform or there won't be much of anything left.

[Guest guest]

>From: mikecarrie01 <mikecarrie01@...>

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>Yeah, I understand they're upset but people need to stop always

>trying to find someone to blame. And sue.

It seems that at least some of the people were getting what seemed like reliable

news. There may or may not have been people who would have said, " let's wait to

see if what we heard was correct " if they heard something directly from someone

with a scanner.

The problem was when what was heard on the scanner was repeated as actual news.

At that point, those in charge probably should have said unambiguously, " We have

no information to confirm the reports. " That doesn't take 3 hours to figure

out.

Whether not clarifying reports was done out of a disregard for the relatives, or

because the people in charge (Seer Mining) were not really in charge of the

search and rescue remains to be seen. Perhaps the mining company didn't really

know. Regardless, it is possible that the company issued a blanket order to

play " the three monkeys " rather than be helpful.

As to who sues whom, most of the comments are from people who are angry. Maybe

it's my profession, but I don't see " wanting to sue somebody " as a sin of

society.

- s

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" At that point, those in charge probably should have said

unambiguously, " We have no information to confirm the reports. " That

doesn't take 3 hours to figure out. "

My understanding was that the people who found the bodies had no

idea that the people aboveground were saying the miners were alive

and that the people running the operation were focused on the rescue

and not on the people outjside.

" As to who sues whom, most of the comments are from people who are

angry. "

Yes they are angry and not of rational mind, otherwise they'd

understand that it's their own emotions that got them worked up into

a frenzy. Hearsay becomes gossip and gossip becomes fact. Who can we

sue for presenting hearsay as fact? Certainly not the people who

were in possession of the facts (i.e. the rescuers).

" Maybe it's my profession, but I don't see " wanting to sue somebody "

as a sin of society. "

It's a sin when a lawyer says to himself, " Hey, these angry people

are wrong, but I see an opportunity to make money by exploiting

their anger. "

And it's a sin when the lawyers win in such cases, because it will

teach society this moral lesson: Even when it's your own idiocy

that's at fault, you can still falsely blame someone else, win money

that isn't yours, and punish harshly someone that did no wrong while

absolving your own guilty self of responsibility for sheer stupidity

and irrationalism.

Tom

Administrator

[Guest guest]

" At that point, those in charge probably should have said

unambiguously, " We have no information to confirm the reports. " That

doesn't take 3 hours to figure out. "

Yeah, I think you're right. I kind of pictured those in charge

saying to each other, 'Who's going to tell them?' and then no one

stepping up to the plate. Maybe they were worried more about how they

and their company look, then the families of the victims.

" As to who sues whom, most of the comments are from people who are

angry. Maybe it's my profession, but I don't see " wanting to sue

somebody " as a sin of society. "

I was talking about sueing just because they received the wrong

information from who knows who. If it's determined that the mining

company was negligent, that's a different story, although I heard

this company had just taken over in November. It was very sad to

hear that they were found huddled behind something that is supposed

to protect them from carbon monoxide.

I get tired of seeing people sue because of slip and falls and other

things which are accidents where no one is to blame (often it's

themselves, esp. in a slip and fall). Insurance companies almost

always pay a slip and fall just to get rid of it and keep it from

going to court. Our insurance rates go up as a result. Slip and fall

claims are made frequently. Our society being so sue crazy encourages

not taking responsibility for yourself and in not accepting that

accidents happen and life is unfair, people don't mature or grow and

they needlessly upset themselves and others. And even further, the

lack of trust and selfishness in our society grows. How many times

have you heard businesses say in response to a question as to why

they no longer offer a service, 'I'm sorry we don't do that anymore.

People were [insert a description here] and we had to discontinue

it.' The implication being: 'we are afraid of suits'.

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