Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Rhonda, Putting your parents back on Lipitor is equivalent to killing them. I wish you well with that nurse. Get the triglycerides and the Lp(a) down. I would not worry about the rest of the numbers. You should probably take some educational material to the nurse to let her know that high cholesterol does not cause heart attacks. Here is some info that might help. http://www.healthy-heart-guide.com/lowering-triglycerides.html http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/dec2004_ask_01.htm I found that my HDL went up when I maintained at least 3 to 6 grams of Vitamin C per day. My triglycerides are low due to taking daily Omega 3 fish oil. > > OK, I am so confused, I don't know what to do! I took mom and dad to > the Dr. yesterday for their 3 month check ups and they ran a bunch of > lab work on them. The nurse called today with the results and said > that everything looked great except for their cholesterol and she is > wanting to put them both back on statin drugs again. Here's there > results: > > ~DAD~ > LDL-170 > HDL- 50 > Triglycerides- 139 > Total- 248 > > ~MOM~ > LDL- could not calculate > HDL- 41 > Triglycerides- 441 > Total- 245 > > In MY opinion, I think my dads numbers look ok. Mom's Triglycerides > are high and her HDL a little low. My question is, how do you get the > HDL up and the triglycerides down? And what kind of foods would cause > the triglycerides to be high? They are taking Policosanol and Co Q10 > as added supplements. Is there anything that would work better to get > these numers normalized? I do NOT want them on statins. I feel in my > own heart that they are the reason my dad was diagnosed with > Parkinson's a year ago. I don't think it's Parkinson's at all, I > think it's a result of all the statins they had him on all these > years and now we can't turn these symptoms around. > > One more question, can low thyroid cause the cholesterol to be high? > I was told that it does have an effect, but the nurse just told me on > the phone that it does not have anything to do with it. My mom is > being treated for low thyroid as well and has ALWAYS had problems > with her triglycerides being too high. > > Any help that anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Rhonda > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 How is your Mom´s glucose and insulin levels? To get down high trigs, a low carb diet, even giving up fruit, all grains will do it. Such as the South Beach Diet. Her Cholesterol and Trigs should be much better also on the diet. Good fat, such as in avocados, nuts(not peanuts though), olive oil. Exercise also. No booze either, that will bring up the trigs. fast. --- Rhonda <rbeagan@...> wrote: > OK, I am so confused, I don't know what to do! I > took mom and dad to > the Dr. yesterday for their 3 month check ups and > they ran a bunch of > lab work on them. The nurse called today with the > results and said > that everything looked great except for their > cholesterol and she is > wanting to put them both back on statin drugs again. > Here's there > results: > > ~DAD~ > LDL-170 > HDL- 50 > Triglycerides- 139 > Total- 248 > > ~MOM~ > LDL- could not calculate > HDL- 41 > Triglycerides- 441 > Total- 245 > > In MY opinion, I think my dads numbers look ok. > Mom's Triglycerides > are high and her HDL a little low. My question is, > how do you get the > HDL up and the triglycerides down? And what kind of > foods would cause > the triglycerides to be high? They are taking > Policosanol and Co Q10 > as added supplements. Is there anything that would > work better to get > these numers normalized? I do NOT want them on > statins. I feel in my > own heart that they are the reason my dad was > diagnosed with > Parkinson's a year ago. I don't think it's > Parkinson's at all, I > think it's a result of all the statins they had him > on all these > years and now we can't turn these symptoms around. > > One more question, can low thyroid cause the > cholesterol to be high? > I was told that it does have an effect, but the > nurse just told me on > the phone that it does not have anything to do with > it. My mom is > being treated for low thyroid as well and has ALWAYS > had problems > with her triglycerides being too high. > > Any help that anyone can offer would be greatly > appreciated. > > Thanks, > Rhonda > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Thank-You so much phine! I totally agree with you, and I refuse to put my parents on statins. Their cardiologist called yesterday after the regular Dr. faxed the restults to him, and I just told them that I was NOT putting my parents on any kind of statin and that I would prefer dealing withit through diet. She told me that was our choice and we have that right! I have put those 2 links in my favorites and will be stuying up on them. I am thinking that boh of them are taking vitamin C and Omega3 but I don't know how much. I will check into that as well. Also, do you know what is the best kind of vitamin C to take. I'm thinking we discussed this earlier but I can't remember, and my time is very limited today to go search for it. Thanks for all your help! Rhonda , " jlkinkona " <josephine@...> wrote: > > > Rhonda, > Putting your parents back on Lipitor is equivalent to killing them. I > wish you well with that nurse. Get the triglycerides and the Lp(a) > down. I would not worry about the rest of the numbers. You should > probably take some educational material to the nurse to let her know > that high cholesterol does not cause heart attacks. > > Here is some info that might help. > http://www.healthy-heart-guide.com/lowering-triglycerides.html > http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/dec2004_ask_01.htm > > I found that my HDL went up when I maintained at least 3 to 6 grams > of Vitamin C per day. > My triglycerides are low due to taking daily Omega 3 fish oil. > > > > > > OK, I am so confused, I don't know what to do! I took mom and dad > to > > the Dr. yesterday for their 3 month check ups and they ran a bunch > of > > lab work on them. The nurse called today with the results and said > > that everything looked great except for their cholesterol and she > is > > wanting to put them both back on statin drugs again. Here's there > > results: > > > > ~DAD~ > > LDL-170 > > HDL- 50 > > Triglycerides- 139 > > Total- 248 > > > > ~MOM~ > > LDL- could not calculate > > HDL- 41 > > Triglycerides- 441 > > Total- 245 > > > > In MY opinion, I think my dads numbers look ok. Mom's Triglycerides > > are high and her HDL a little low. My question is, how do you get > the > > HDL up and the triglycerides down? And what kind of foods would > cause > > the triglycerides to be high? They are taking Policosanol and Co > Q10 > > as added supplements. Is there anything that would work better to > get > > these numers normalized? I do NOT want them on statins. I feel in > my > > own heart that they are the reason my dad was diagnosed with > > Parkinson's a year ago. I don't think it's Parkinson's at all, I > > think it's a result of all the statins they had him on all these > > years and now we can't turn these symptoms around. > > > > One more question, can low thyroid cause the cholesterol to be > high? > > I was told that it does have an effect, but the nurse just told me > on > > the phone that it does not have anything to do with it. My mom is > > being treated for low thyroid as well and has ALWAYS had problems > > with her triglycerides being too high. > > > > Any help that anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Rhonda > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 They checked all of that too and said everything was in normal range. We are non alcoholic drinkers, so that won't be a problem. So fresh fruit is out of the picture too? She uses olive oil only and nothing else. I did discover that she has been eating a LOT of granola bars and yogurt, so she has cut all of that out as well. Her and dad both LOVE PB & J sandwiches and I found out that they have been eating a lot of those as well as grilled cheeze sandwiches. Because of their ailments, it's sometimes hard for mom to cook a decent meal, so they will just eat sandwiches. Does anyone know if there are any desent frozen meals out there that would not hinder their cholesterol or anything else? I don't want them to become totally dependant on me for everything, so I want them to help themselves. They do come over every Sunday for dinner and it is the biggest meal they have all week. I put out a rather large garden this year, so we have been eating fresh vegetables at nearly every meal. I just need some good guidelines to go by when cooking. My cholesterol isn't at the healthiest level either. I had a baseline done at a health conference last week and my total was 304. BLessings, Rhonda teresa stuart <lilliebelle3@...> wrote: > > How is your Mom´s glucose and insulin levels? To get > down high trigs, a low carb diet, even giving up > fruit, all grains will do it. Such as the South Beach > Diet. Her Cholesterol and Trigs should be much better > also on the diet. Good fat, such as in avocados, > nuts(not peanuts though), olive oil. Exercise also. No > booze either, that will bring up the trigs. fast. > --- Rhonda <rbeagan@...> wrote: > > > OK, I am so confused, I don't know what to do! I > > took mom and dad to > > the Dr. yesterday for their 3 month check ups and > > they ran a bunch of > > lab work on them. The nurse called today with the > > results and said > > that everything looked great except for their > > cholesterol and she is > > wanting to put them both back on statin drugs again. > > Here's there > > results: > > > > ~DAD~ > > LDL-170 > > HDL- 50 > > Triglycerides- 139 > > Total- 248 > > > > ~MOM~ > > LDL- could not calculate > > HDL- 41 > > Triglycerides- 441 > > Total- 245 > > > > In MY opinion, I think my dads numbers look ok. > > Mom's Triglycerides > > are high and her HDL a little low. My question is, > > how do you get the > > HDL up and the triglycerides down? And what kind of > > foods would cause > > the triglycerides to be high? They are taking > > Policosanol and Co Q10 > > as added supplements. Is there anything that would > > work better to get > > these numers normalized? I do NOT want them on > > statins. I feel in my > > own heart that they are the reason my dad was > > diagnosed with > > Parkinson's a year ago. I don't think it's > > Parkinson's at all, I > > think it's a result of all the statins they had him > > on all these > > years and now we can't turn these symptoms around. > > > > One more question, can low thyroid cause the > > cholesterol to be high? > > I was told that it does have an effect, but the > > nurse just told me on > > the phone that it does not have anything to do with > > it. My mom is > > being treated for low thyroid as well and has ALWAYS > > had problems > > with her triglycerides being too high. > > > > Any help that anyone can offer would be greatly > > appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Rhonda > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. > http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Hi Rhoda, If there fasting glucose was above 88 that is now considered pre diabetes. So a reading of 90-92 would mean that many Dr´s would put them on oral drugs. The guidelines have changed, it used to be anything after a 12 hour fast under 120 was normal, now they no this is not the case. If they are using processed cheeses they might as well eat lard or sugar. Your parent's sound as though they are on a heavy processed food, high carb diet. Peanut butter has plenty of sugar in it, jelly is pure sugar. Simple carbohydrates and some complex ones can really drive up the trigs. and Cholesterol. You need to stay away from white flour, ketchup, " foods that say " light " and low fat. All sugar, too much caffeine, white pasta, too many potatoes, all starches just about. The usual diet for high trigs is cutting out on most all carbohydrates except for complex carbs such as vegetables. You eat good quality protein, such as eggs, meat, chicken, fish, sea food, veggies, nuts, cheese, no milk, cereal bread, pasta, rice, potatoes and eat only fruit that is lower in crabs such as cantaloupe, strawberries a few times a week only. No Nutra Sweet (Equal), and watch those trigs and chol. drop fast. --- Rhonda <rbeagan@...> wrote: > They checked all of that too and said everything was > in normal range. > We are non alcoholic drinkers, so that won't be a > problem. So fresh > fruit is out of the picture too? She uses olive oil > only and nothing > else. I did discover that she has been eating a LOT > of granola bars > and yogurt, so she has cut all of that out as well. > Her and dad both > LOVE PB & J sandwiches and I found out that they have > been eating a lot > of those as well as grilled cheeze sandwiches. > > Because of their ailments, it's sometimes hard for > mom to cook a > decent meal, so they will just eat sandwiches. Does > anyone know if > there are any desent frozen meals out there that > would not hinder > their cholesterol or anything else? I don't want > them to become > totally dependant on me for everything, so I want > them to help > themselves. They do come over every Sunday for > dinner and it is the > biggest meal they have all week. > > I put out a rather large garden this year, so we > have been eating > fresh vegetables at nearly every meal. I just need > some good > guidelines to go by when cooking. My cholesterol > isn't at the > healthiest level either. I had a baseline done at a > health conference > last week and my total was 304. > > BLessings, > Rhonda > > > teresa stuart <lilliebelle3@...> wrote: > > > > How is your Mom´s glucose and insulin levels? To > get > > down high trigs, a low carb diet, even giving up > > fruit, all grains will do it. Such as the South > Beach > > Diet. Her Cholesterol and Trigs should be much > better > > also on the diet. Good fat, such as in avocados, > > nuts(not peanuts though), olive oil. Exercise > also. No > > booze either, that will bring up the trigs. fast. > > --- Rhonda <rbeagan@...> wrote: > > > > > OK, I am so confused, I don't know what to do! I > > > took mom and dad to > > > the Dr. yesterday for their 3 month check ups > and > > > they ran a bunch of > > > lab work on them. The nurse called today with > the > > > results and said > > > that everything looked great except for their > > > cholesterol and she is > > > wanting to put them both back on statin drugs > again. > > > Here's there > > > results: > > > > > > ~DAD~ > > > LDL-170 > > > HDL- 50 > > > Triglycerides- 139 > > > Total- 248 > > > > > > ~MOM~ > > > LDL- could not calculate > > > HDL- 41 > > > Triglycerides- 441 > > > Total- 245 > > > > > > In MY opinion, I think my dads numbers look ok. > > > Mom's Triglycerides > > > are high and her HDL a little low. My question > is, > > > how do you get the > > > HDL up and the triglycerides down? And what kind > of > > > foods would cause > > > the triglycerides to be high? They are taking > > > Policosanol and Co Q10 > > > as added supplements. Is there anything that > would > > > work better to get > > > these numers normalized? I do NOT want them on > > > statins. I feel in my > > > own heart that they are the reason my dad was > > > diagnosed with > > > Parkinson's a year ago. I don't think it's > > > Parkinson's at all, I > > > think it's a result of all the statins they had > him > > > on all these > > > years and now we can't turn these symptoms > around. > > > > > > One more question, can low thyroid cause the > > > cholesterol to be high? > > > I was told that it does have an effect, but the > > > nurse just told me on > > > the phone that it does not have anything to do > with > > > it. My mom is > > > being treated for low thyroid as well and has > ALWAYS > > > had problems > > > with her triglycerides being too high. > > > > > > Any help that anyone can offer would be greatly > > > appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Rhonda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > > Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the > Internet in your pocket: > mail, news, photos & more. > > http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel. http://travel./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 Rhonda, You nailed the culprit of why their trigs are too high. Too much PB & J sandwiches, way too much granola bars. Just overall, too much grains and sugar. Why don't you buy them veggies that they can steam up and some pre-cooked chicken that they put in the frig and steam and eat with their veggies? I just read somewhere that raw cabbage (slaw) and raw beets are very nutritional and yummy. But if you can get and grate 3 beets, chop up some cabbage maybe to make 2-1 gallon bags and send them home with that with the chicken for the week would be good. Those frozen meals unfortunately have too much salt and flavor enhancers that can cause more allergic problems. I know you don't want them dependent on you but I think you should get yourself prepared for when that will happen as they age. Reality is that they will need more of your help and maybe you might have to move in with them so that they can still function in familiar surroundings. phine > > They checked all of that too and said everything was in normal range. > We are non alcoholic drinkers, so that won't be a problem. So fresh > fruit is out of the picture too? She uses olive oil only and nothing > else. I did discover that she has been eating a LOT of granola bars > and yogurt, so she has cut all of that out as well. Her and dad both > LOVE PB & J sandwiches and I found out that they have been eating a lot > of those as well as grilled cheeze sandwiches. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2007 Report Share Posted September 2, 2007 Rhonda, Buy either ascorbic acid or Vit C capsules (500 mgs is highest in capsules) or ascorbic acid or Vit C caplets or pills (1000 mgs is highest in pill form). No need for the extra stuff (bioflavinoids, rose hips, etc). Try Walmart, Costco or any drug store. My guess though is that as soon as your parents switch from eating jelly sandwiches and granola bars to more raw veggies and proteins their numbers will be alot better. Make sure they are also taking a super B complex. phine. > > Thank-You so much phine! I totally agree with you, and I refuse > to put my parents on statins. Their cardiologist called yesterday > after the regular Dr. faxed the restults to him, and I just told them > that I was NOT putting my parents on any kind of statin and that I > would prefer dealing withit through diet. She told me that was our > choice and we have that right! > I have put those 2 links in my favorites and will be stuying up on > them. I am thinking that boh of them are taking vitamin C and Omega3 > but I don't know how much. I will check into that as well. Also, do > you know what is the best kind of vitamin C to take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2007 Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 Rhonda: I agree on the PB & J sandwiches, way to much sugar. Everyone has been misled into the low fat diet, the food companies remove the fat and replace it with sugar to provide some taste. Up goes the triglycerides and cholesterol, followed by a chew out from the doctor, followed by the prescription for a statin. While gently pushing your parents to a more healthy diet salads and unprocessed foods, spend some time in the grocery store and find some low carb( low sugar) foods for them to eat. If they are like my mother, they don't have a clue on what to look for on the food label. If you need help with food labels go down to Barns and Noble, read pages 241 through 245 of Atkins book. He does a very good job of pointing out the tricks of food label spin. Also look at pages 124 through 126 for a list of low carb foods. I'm not advocating the Atkins diet but his book is a very good reference for cutting sugar and lowering your carb. Since they are into peanut butter sandwiches, here are a couple of suggestions to get you going. Peanut butter, look at the Skippy " Natural " stuff. It has about five carbs per serving (3 sugar) and does not have the hydrogenated oils, it uses coconut oil (coconut oil is recommended by Mercola). Here in Iowa we have a bread called " Healthy Hearth " which has 6 grams of carbs per slice, its available in wheat, 12 grain and Italian. A regular slice of white bread has in the neighborhood of 17 grams per slice, I have seen as high as 23 grams per slice. Spend some time in the grocery store bread section, find the brand with the lowest carb count. Some brands list the count for one slice and some for two slices. Disregard the " % daily value " , that is based on the make you sick diet recommended by the medical community and the government. Regards Gayle > > > > > OK, I am so confused, I don't know what to do! I > > > took mom and dad to > > > the Dr. yesterday for their 3 month check ups and > > > they ran a bunch of > > > lab work on them. The nurse called today with the > > > results and said > > > that everything looked great except for their > > > cholesterol and she is > > > wanting to put them both back on statin drugs again. > > > Here's there > > > results: > > > > > > ~DAD~ > > > LDL-170 > > > HDL- 50 > > > Triglycerides- 139 > > > Total- 248 > > > > > > ~MOM~ > > > LDL- could not calculate > > > HDL- 41 > > > Triglycerides- 441 > > > Total- 245 > > > > > > In MY opinion, I think my dads numbers look ok. > > > Mom's Triglycerides > > > are high and her HDL a little low. My question is, > > > how do you get the > > > HDL up and the triglycerides down? And what kind of > > > foods would cause > > > the triglycerides to be high? They are taking > > > Policosanol and Co Q10 > > > as added supplements. Is there anything that would > > > work better to get > > > these numers normalized? I do NOT want them on > > > statins. I feel in my > > > own heart that they are the reason my dad was > > > diagnosed with > > > Parkinson's a year ago. I don't think it's > > > Parkinson's at all, I > > > think it's a result of all the statins they had him > > > on all these > > > years and now we can't turn these symptoms around. > > > > > > One more question, can low thyroid cause the > > > cholesterol to be high? > > > I was told that it does have an effect, but the > > > nurse just told me on > > > the phone that it does not have anything to do with > > > it. My mom is > > > being treated for low thyroid as well and has ALWAYS > > > had problems > > > with her triglycerides being too high. > > > > > > Any help that anyone can offer would be greatly > > > appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Rhonda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > > Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket: > mail, news, photos & more. > > http://mobile./go?refer=1GNXIC > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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