Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 I stopped taking the statins almost a month ago now and find that my blood pressure is now low...114/57....so now have stopped the bp meds...my body and my doctor are in turmoil....you seem to understand more about this than I can...does this normally happen? My Dr is just new and has never known a patient to quit the meds so she isnt too helpful and I can tell by the stunned look on her face she is a bit scared lol...her asst pulled the...YOU ARE A NAUGHTY GIRL routine...anyway whatever advice you can give will be appreciated....Kay Re: Stop Taking Statins There is a rebound effect on the arteries when one stops cold turkey. I personally took the amino acid l-arginine when I was stopping since that increases NO in the arteries allowing them to overcome the rebound effect (in my opinion) and L-arginine also is used to lower blood pressure by dilating arteries. Fish oil would be good to be taking regularly when one cuts back on statins. Normally, I would say to cut the pill and take less over time. That of course depends on the size of the pill, quantity of the dosage, etc. If it's a very low dose, then stopping might work fine. If it's higher, then I personally would cut back over time.Stevelee schelin wrote:> > > I'm a newbie here and would your opinion about stopping statins cold. > Anyone here done that?> > Lee....> > Steve wrote:> >> Magnesium citrate helps many on the PeoplewithPVC' s group>> sometimes within hours. Personally, since magnesium citrate is 16%>> magnesium, I take 3-4 1000 mg tablets a day which gives me 480-640>> mg/day of magnesium. The citrate form is one of the easiest to absorb.>>>> CoQ10 can also lower palpitations.>>>> Taking a statin can increase them and if that is the case, CoQ10 is more>> likely to help lower them. I take some every day as well. There is an>> upper limit to magnesium consumption since it will cause loose stools if>> you take too much. In that case increasing CoQ10 will be the next>> option when you're are getting enough magnesium. I take both.>>>> Steve>>>>>> fortviewlodge wrote:>> >>> Hi,>>> >>> I am a silent member of this group I am sad to say, but I now need a bit >>> of help.>>> >>> I have been suffering from palpitation for the a while now and have been >>> told they are harmless and noting to worry about by my cardiologist, I >>> am on micardis plus for bp and I have a Mireana Coil fitted.>>> >>> Can you help me maybe I can take something to ease them.>>> >>> Thanks,>>> >>> Ann-- Steve - dudescholar4@ basicmail. netTake World's Smallest Political Quiz athttp://www.theadvoc ates.org/ quiz.html"If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our marchto truth we must still march on." --Stopford Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 For whatever it is worth, I think I need to mention to newbies who are wondering whether to taper off statins, that my idiot doctor (now ex-doctor of course) insisted on increasing my Lipitor dosage from 10 mg. to 80 mg.--all at once! I immediately reported back to him that I was having severe problems with the higher dose but he absolutely insisted it was not the meds. This was back in 2002 and I hadn't heard anything about the dangers of these drugs at that time. And, unfortunately, I had trusted that doctor for several years before that. But the 80 mg. not only caused muscle pain and weakness almost immediately, but the cognifive effects made me too stupid to be able to argue with him. So I stayed on the poison for two years before the realization penetrated my poorly functioning brain that since my mother had died of a horrible disease (ALS) years before that maybe now I had it. There is a form that is inherited, so at least I was still able to figure that much out. From there I was fortunately able to reason that if I did have ALS (sure seemed like it) that there was no point in continuing to take these expensive meds. So when my Lipitor prescription ran out, I didn't reorder. I'm convinced now that decision saved my life. Some of the side effects I'd been having started clearing almost immediately (weight gain that doctor had been chewing me out for turned out to be fluid retention from the poisoning; I lost 25 pounds in three weeks!). And the cloud started lfting from my mind almost immediately. Other problems persisted though (muscle aches and weakness, peripheral neuropathy, digestive problems, etc.). To make a long story short, I now know that the toxic dosage (and to me any dosage of that stuff is toxic) had virtually wiped out my immune system. It not only triggered celiac disease, which I'd never had before, but I'd also become allergic to virtually every food. Western medicine had no solution to my problem except prednison (which I'd never been able to take without it knocking me out), but rather than die of starvation, I finally agreed to go to an acupuncturist who specializes in a particular form of that art which is effective for food allergies. She couldn't cure the celiac, but at least her allergy treatments (4 1/2 months of weekly treatments) enabled me to eat other foods again. The point of my telling you this is that I went off the highest dosage of Lipitor cold turkey, after having been on it for two years, in addition to being on 10 mg. for a number of years prior to that. Going off it did not cure the autoimmune conditions it had triggered, but doing so did restore my ability to reason, and to be able to seek out answers for how and why my health had been destroyed and what to do about it. If you don't feel comfortable going off statins cold turkey, then you should taper off. And I don't think anyone can tell you for sure how best to do that. From my own perspective, I'll just say this: if you found out you were being slowly poisoned by arsenic, would you think it necessary to taper off? ----- Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=bmFuY2FybDIwNzQ%3D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 Hi Lee, This is bill. I take 20mg of simvastatin a day and I have muscle and joint pain all of the time. Re: Stop Taking Statins Steve: I'm taking 40MG of Simvastatin per day. Is that a high or low dosage?Lee...Steve wrote: There is a rebound effect on the arteries when one stops cold turkey. I personally took the amino acid l-arginine when I was stopping since that increases NO in the arteries allowing them to overcome the rebound effect (in my opinion) and L-arginine also is used to lower blood pressure by dilating arteries. Fish oil would be good to be taking regularly when one cuts back on statins. Normally, I would say to cut the pill and take less over time. That of course depends on the size of the pill, quantity of the dosage, etc. If it's a very low dose, then stopping might work fine. If it's higher, then I personally would cut back over time. Steve lee schelin wrote: I'm a newbie here and would your opinion about stopping statins cold. Anyone here done that? Lee.... Steve wrote: Magnesium citrate helps many on the PeoplewithPVC' s group sometimes within hours. Personally, since magnesium citrate is 16% magnesium, I take 3-4 1000 mg tablets a day which gives me 480-640 mg/day of magnesium. The citrate form is one of the easiest to absorb. CoQ10 can also lower palpitations. Taking a statin can increase them and if that is the case, CoQ10 is more likely to help lower them. I take some every day as well. There is an upper limit to magnesium consumption since it will cause loose stools if you take too much. In that case increasing CoQ10 will be the next option when you're are getting enough magnesium. I take both. Steve fortviewlodge wrote: Hi, I am a silent member of this group I am sad to say, but I now need a bit of help. I have been suffering from palpitation for the a while now and have been told they are harmless and noting to worry about by my cardiologist, I am on micardis plus for bp and I have a Mireana Coil fitted. Can you help me maybe I can take something to ease them. Thanks, Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 , Thanks for sharing your story. The thing that stands out the most for me from reading your story is your physician's denial that the drug had anything to do with your symptoms. Sadly, this is very common. At first I beleived physicians were simply uninformed, but now after all these years of patients still being told " Its not the statin " , I now think differently. I beleive physicians know its the statin but deny it, keeping the patient on the drug knowing its doing damage. The reason I beleive this is simple. Its impossible for anyone in the medical profession to be that uninformed today on this major issue. The doc would have to be deaf, blind, and dumb to not be aware. Therefore, I see this as a criminal issue that should result in prison time for your ex physician. I also think you should be compensated financialy for your pain and suffering from his neglegence of keeping you on a drug that was doing damage. Lastly, I beleive it should be a federal offense to market, sell, prescribe, or dispense a statin drug. > > For whatever it is worth, I think I need to mention to newbies who are wondering whether to taper off statins, that my idiot doctor (now ex-doctor of course) insisted on increasing my Lipitor dosage from 10 mg. to 80 mg.--all at once! I immediately reported back to him that I was having severe problems with the higher dose but he absolutely insisted it was not the meds. This was back in 2002 and I hadn't heard anything about the dangers of these drugs at that time. And, unfortunately, I had trusted that doctor for several years before that. But the 80 mg. not only caused muscle pain and weakness almost immediately, but the cognifive effects made me too stupid to be able to argue with him. So I stayed on the poison for two years before the realization penetrated my poorly functioning brain that since my mother had died of a horrible disease (ALS) years before that maybe now I had it. There is a form that is inherited, so at least I was still able to figure that much out. > From there I was fortunately able to reason that if I did have ALS (sure seemed like it) that there was no point in continuing to take these expensive meds. So when my Lipitor prescription ran out, I didn't reorder. I'm convinced now that decision saved my life. > > Some of the side effects I'd been having started clearing almost immediately (weight gain that doctor had been chewing me out for turned out to be fluid retention from the poisoning; I lost 25 pounds in three weeks!). And the cloud started lfting from my mind almost immediately. Other problems persisted though (muscle aches and weakness, peripheral neuropathy, digestive problems, etc.). To make a long story short, I now know that the toxic dosage (and to me any dosage of that stuff is toxic) had virtually wiped out my immune system. It not only triggered celiac disease, which I'd never had before, but I'd also become allergic to virtually every food. Western medicine had no solution to my problem except prednison (which I'd never been able to take without it knocking me out), but rather than die of starvation, I finally agreed to go to an acupuncturist who specializes in a particular form of that art which is effective for food allergies. She couldn't cure the celiac, but > at least her allergy treatments (4 1/2 months of weekly treatments) enabled me to eat other foods again. > > The point of my telling you this is that I went off the highest dosage of Lipitor cold turkey, after having been on it for two years, in addition to being on 10 mg. for a number of years prior to that. Going off it did not cure the autoimmune conditions it had triggered, but doing so did restore my ability to reason, and to be able to seek out answers for how and why my health had been destroyed and what to do about it. > > If you don't feel comfortable going off statins cold turkey, then you should taper off. And I don't think anyone can tell you for sure how best to do that. From my own perspective, I'll just say this: if you found out you were being slowly poisoned by arsenic, would you think it necessary to taper off? > > > -----Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog.http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=bmFuY2FybDIwNzQ%3D > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2008 Report Share Posted July 1, 2008 , Thanks for sharing your story. The thing that stands out the most for me from reading your story is your physician's denial that the drug had anything to do with your symptoms. Sadly, this is very common. At first I beleived physicians were simply uninformed, but now after all these years of patients still being told " Its not the statin " , I now think differently. I beleive physicians know its the statin but deny it, keeping the patient on the drug knowing its doing damage. The reason I beleive this is simple. Its impossible for anyone in the medical profession to be that uninformed today on this major issue. The doc would have to be deaf, blind, and dumb to not be aware. Therefore, I see this as a criminal issue that should result in prison time for your ex physician. I also think you should be compensated financialy for your pain and suffering from his neglegence of keeping you on a drug that was doing damage. Lastly, I beleive it should be a federal offense to market, sell, prescribe, or dispense a statin drug. > > For whatever it is worth, I think I need to mention to newbies who are wondering whether to taper off statins, that my idiot doctor (now ex-doctor of course) insisted on increasing my Lipitor dosage from 10 mg. to 80 mg.--all at once! I immediately reported back to him that I was having severe problems with the higher dose but he absolutely insisted it was not the meds. This was back in 2002 and I hadn't heard anything about the dangers of these drugs at that time. And, unfortunately, I had trusted that doctor for several years before that. But the 80 mg. not only caused muscle pain and weakness almost immediately, but the cognifive effects made me too stupid to be able to argue with him. So I stayed on the poison for two years before the realization penetrated my poorly functioning brain that since my mother had died of a horrible disease (ALS) years before that maybe now I had it. There is a form that is inherited, so at least I was still able to figure that much out. > From there I was fortunately able to reason that if I did have ALS (sure seemed like it) that there was no point in continuing to take these expensive meds. So when my Lipitor prescription ran out, I didn't reorder. I'm convinced now that decision saved my life. > > Some of the side effects I'd been having started clearing almost immediately (weight gain that doctor had been chewing me out for turned out to be fluid retention from the poisoning; I lost 25 pounds in three weeks!). And the cloud started lfting from my mind almost immediately. Other problems persisted though (muscle aches and weakness, peripheral neuropathy, digestive problems, etc.). To make a long story short, I now know that the toxic dosage (and to me any dosage of that stuff is toxic) had virtually wiped out my immune system. It not only triggered celiac disease, which I'd never had before, but I'd also become allergic to virtually every food. Western medicine had no solution to my problem except prednison (which I'd never been able to take without it knocking me out), but rather than die of starvation, I finally agreed to go to an acupuncturist who specializes in a particular form of that art which is effective for food allergies. She couldn't cure the celiac, but > at least her allergy treatments (4 1/2 months of weekly treatments) enabled me to eat other foods again. > > The point of my telling you this is that I went off the highest dosage of Lipitor cold turkey, after having been on it for two years, in addition to being on 10 mg. for a number of years prior to that. Going off it did not cure the autoimmune conditions it had triggered, but doing so did restore my ability to reason, and to be able to seek out answers for how and why my health had been destroyed and what to do about it. > > If you don't feel comfortable going off statins cold turkey, then you should taper off. And I don't think anyone can tell you for sure how best to do that. From my own perspective, I'll just say this: if you found out you were being slowly poisoned by arsenic, would you think it necessary to taper off? > > > -----Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog.http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=bmFuY2FybDIwNzQ%3D > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Steve, after going back and more carefully reading about that study you refer to, I must agree with Lee and Pamela. Indeed, questions--and assertions--can be framed, and I'm afraid your analogy totally missed the mark on the logic meter. Please note my disclaimer in the post you took issue with. The fact remains that strictly from my own perspective, the only sensible thing for me to do was to refuse to take another dose of Lipitor.( Ironically, at the time I stopped it was because I thought I must have ALS, so there was no point in continuing to take it.It's amazing I was able to reason to that extent.) Anyway, I survived going from two years of 80 mg. daily of the drug to none. And the 80 mg. had been preceded by over a decade of 10 mg. daily. And again strictly from my perspective, I would jump off your cliff before I'd take another dose of any statin at any strength for any reason whatsoever. What we all have to bear in mind is that this is a forum for the exchange of information and ideas from survivors of prescriptions from well-meaning (at least mostly) but misinformed doctors. Although much of the information here is far better than what we're getting, in general, from the medical community, any one person's experience should certainly not be interpreted as expert medical advice. I'm sure most of us here understand that. Steve <dudescholar4@...> wrote: Questions can be framed, sort of like political "polls". If you were hiking on your way to a destination and found yourself on the wrong side of the canyon, would you feel a need to jump off the cliff in order to get back on the right route as quickly as possible?Stevejlkinkona wrote:> > > Thanks for the punchline question. That was good!!!> phine> > >From my own perspective, I'll just say this: if you found out you> were being slowly poisoned by arsenic, would you think it necessary to> taper off?-- Steve - dudescholar4basicmail (DOT) netTake World's Smallest Political Quiz athttp://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html"If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our marchto truth we must still march on." --Stopford ----- Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=bmFuY2FybDIwNzQ%3D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Thank you. This all started back in 2002, before the dangers of these drugs were common knowledge; at least I hadn't heard anything about their adverse effects at that time. Even if my doctor had been clueless at the start, how could he have remained so ignorant for two years? If there were already TV ads promoting them back then, I don't remember it. But then I've been on statins, haven't I?! Seriously though, looking back now, it seems incredible that I didn't stand up for myself with that doctor, when the effects were so severe and had became debilitating so quickly. But that's how severe the congnitive effects were too. I couldn't have argued my way out of a paper bag; couldn't have fought my way out of one either. I became diabetic almost right away, and he insisted it was my own fault, and that I obviously was not following his orders. After I lost the 30 lbs. of fluid immediately after going off the stuff, my blood sugar returned to normal. By then I hadn't seen him in many months. In fact for quite a while after I realized what had been done to me, I was terrified at the thought of going to any doctor. I've regained my ability to trust some of them now to some extent, but I'll never again give them the right to dictate to me. As far as financial compensation is concerned, our state legislature has sided with the drug companies on the issue. The statute of limitations is only two years now and the cap on pain and suffering awards is so low that it isn't worth the bother after attorney fees and court costs. I was approached a while back by an out-of-state law firm that is working on dual cases--both individual and class action suits against Pfizer--and since they were signing up clients nationwide, I thought I might get my day in court after all. Apparently not. They recently advised me that the plaintiff's own state laws will apply, so I guess that means they don't plan to go the federal court route. I did post a brief summary of my experience on a website for checking out doctors, hoping my ex-doc would sue me so I could get around the legal barriers by countersuing him. That's been over a year ago and I've heard nothing, so maybe his lawyer has advised him not to take the chance. Unfortunately, he is still "practicing" medicine. And Big Pharma is still pumping out the poison. As for our federal government looking out for us citizens? If only.flyinresorts <flyinresorts@...> wrote: , Thanks for sharing your story. The thing that stands out the most for me from reading your story is your physician's denial that the drug had anything to do with your symptoms. Sadly, this is very common. At first I beleived physicians were simply uninformed, but now after all these years of patients still being told "Its not the statin",I now think differently. I beleive physicians know its the statin but deny it, keeping the patient on the drug knowing its doing damage. The reason I beleive this is simple. Its impossible for anyone in the medical profession to be that uninformed today on this major issue. The doc would have to be deaf, blind, and dumb to not be aware.Therefore, I see this as a criminal issue that should result in prison time for your ex physician. I also think you should be compensated financialy for your pain and suffering from his neglegence of keeping you on a drug that was doing damage. Lastly, I beleive it should be a federal offense to market, sell, prescribe, or dispense a statin drug. >> For whatever it is worth, I think I need to mention to newbies who are wondering whether to taper off statins, that my idiot doctor (now ex-doctor of course) insisted on increasing my Lipitor dosage from 10 mg. to 80 mg.--all at once! I immediately reported back to him that I was having severe problems with the higher dose but he absolutely insisted it was not the meds. This was back in 2002 and I hadn't heard anything about the dangers of these drugs at that time. And, unfortunately, I had trusted that doctor for several years before that. But the 80 mg. not only caused muscle pain and weakness almost immediately, but the cognifive effects made me too stupid to be able to argue with him. So I stayed on the poison for two years before the realization penetrated my poorly functioning brain that since my mother had died of a horrible disease (ALS) years before that maybe now I had it. There is a form that is inherited, so at least I was still able to figure that much out.> From there I was fortunately able to reason that if I did have ALS (sure seemed like it) that there was no point in continuing to take these expensive meds. So when my Lipitor prescription ran out, I didn't reorder. I'm convinced now that decision saved my life.> > Some of the side effects I'd been having started clearing almost immediately (weight gain that doctor had been chewing me out for turned out to be fluid retention from the poisoning; I lost 25 pounds in three weeks!). And the cloud started lfting from my mind almost immediately. Other problems persisted though (muscle aches and weakness, peripheral neuropathy, digestive problems, etc.). To make a long story short, I now know that the toxic dosage (and to me any dosage of that stuff is toxic) had virtually wiped out my immune system. It not only triggered celiac disease, which I'd never had before, but I'd also become allergic to virtually every food. Western medicine had no solution to my problem except prednison (which I'd never been able to take without it knocking me out), but rather than die of starvation, I finally agreed to go to an acupuncturist who specializes in a particular form of that art which is effective for food allergies. She couldn't cure the celiac, but> at least her allergy treatments (4 1/2 months of weekly treatments) enabled me to eat other foods again. > > The point of my telling you this is that I went off the highest dosage of Lipitor cold turkey, after having been on it for two years, in addition to being on 10 mg. for a number of years prior to that. Going off it did not cure the autoimmune conditions it had triggered, but doing so did restore my ability to reason, and to be able to seek out answers for how and why my health had been destroyed and what to do about it.> > If you don't feel comfortable going off statins cold turkey, then you should taper off. And I don't think anyone can tell you for sure how best to do that. From my own perspective, I'll just say this: if you found out you were being slowly poisoned by arsenic, would you think it necessary to taper off? > > > -----Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog.http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=bmFuY2FybDIwNzQ%3D>----- Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=bmFuY2FybDIwNzQ%3D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 , I know you are correct about the system. It just isn't fair that people are being injured by these drugs with no compensation. I know for myself I can only work part time due to short endurance. That makes it hard to make a living. Had I not taken a lipid lowering drug, I would be flying a Regional Jet. Instead, I work part time as a social hour host in a Marriot Residence Inn. I earn $57 per day, 4 days a week. If it were not for my wifes employment as a RN, we would not survive. Still, after 7 years my wife does not understand my myopathy. She thinks I have no ambition and tells me " Its time to grow up. " I explain to her I do as much as I can. She responds with " my muscles ache too. " My Spouse is frustrated with my lack of ability to earn a good living and blames me every day for it. Frustrated I grabbed a hammer and began tearing down rotted soffit and facia on my house. I wanted to prove to myself I could fall back on my old carpentry skills to make a living. But now the job is only half complete, and my muscles are torched. It will take several days of rest before I can hang new facia on the house. Sometimes I wish I hadn't survived the drug. Bobby > > > > For whatever it is worth, I think I need to mention to newbies who > are wondering whether to taper off statins, that my idiot doctor > (now ex-doctor of course) insisted on increasing my Lipitor dosage > from 10 mg. to 80 mg.--all at once! I immediately reported back to > him that I was having severe problems with the higher dose but he > absolutely insisted it was not the meds. This was back in 2002 and I > hadn't heard anything about the dangers of these drugs at that time. > And, unfortunately, I had trusted that doctor for several years > before that. But the 80 mg. not only caused muscle pain and weakness > almost immediately, but the cognifive effects made me too stupid to > be able to argue with him. So I stayed on the poison for two years > before the realization penetrated my poorly functioning brain that > since my mother had died of a horrible disease (ALS) years before > that maybe now I had it. There is a form that is inherited, so at > least I was still able to figure that much out. > > From there I was fortunately able to reason that if I did have > ALS (sure seemed like it) that there was no point in continuing to > take these expensive meds. So when my Lipitor prescription ran out, > I didn't reorder. I'm convinced now that decision saved my life. > > > > Some of the side effects I'd been having started clearing almost > immediately (weight gain that doctor had been chewing me out for > turned out to be fluid retention from the poisoning; I lost 25 > pounds in three weeks!). And the cloud started lfting from my mind > almost immediately. Other problems persisted though (muscle aches > and weakness, peripheral neuropathy, digestive problems, etc.). To > make a long story short, I now know that the toxic dosage (and to me > any dosage of that stuff is toxic) had virtually wiped out my immune > system. It not only triggered celiac disease, which I'd never had > before, but I'd also become allergic to virtually every food. > Western medicine had no solution to my problem except prednison > (which I'd never been able to take without it knocking me out), but > rather than die of starvation, I finally agreed to go to an > acupuncturist who specializes in a particular form of that art which > is effective for food allergies. She couldn't cure the celiac, but > > at least her allergy treatments (4 1/2 months of weekly > treatments) enabled me to eat other foods again. > > > > The point of my telling you this is that I went off the highest > dosage of Lipitor cold turkey, after having been on it for two > years, in addition to being on 10 mg. for a number of years prior to > that. Going off it did not cure the autoimmune conditions it had > triggered, but doing so did restore my ability to reason, and to be > able to seek out answers for how and why my health had been > destroyed and what to do about it. > > > > If you don't feel comfortable going off statins cold turkey, > then you should taper off. And I don't think anyone can tell you for > sure how best to do that. From my own perspective, I'll just say > this: if you found out you were being slowly poisoned by arsenic, > would you think it necessary to taper off? > > > > > > -----Fight back spam! Download the Blue > Frog.http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=bmFuY2FybDIwNzQ%3D > > > > > > > > > -----Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog.http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=bmFuY2FybDIwNzQ%3D > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Bobby & I lost my career through all of this, I took early retirement on health grounds at age 52 yrs. Until last September I was still writing - nearly halfway through my second book - an historical comedy I couldn't write a paragraph now without spellcheck - and as for creativity it makes me feel sick. I haven't even the cognitive skills to edit my friends daughters wedding video - something I have done for many years without even thinking. I can't knit or sew anymore - I was creating even gowns before taking the poison and knitting exquisite graments - have knitted since I was 4 yrs old. Can't follow a pattern now. Show this to your wife Bobby as believe me none of us want to be like this.In the UK our Dr's all think Statins are the Holy Grail and there aren't many who are prepared to speak out against them - we have always been years behind following the US - especially in medicine. I want to as well, but I would have to sue my GP and he is only following Government Targets.Pamelaflyinresorts <flyinresorts@...> wrote: , I know you are correct about the system. It just isn't fair that people are being injured by these drugs with no compensation. I know for myself I can only work part time due to short endurance. That makes it hard to make a living. Had I not taken a lipid lowering drug, I would be flying a Regional Jet. Instead, I work part time as a social hour host in a Marriot Residence Inn. I earn $57 per day, 4 days a week. If it were not for my wifes employment as a RN, we would not survive. Still, after 7 years my wife does not understand my myopathy. She thinks I have no ambition and tells me "Its time to grow up." I explain to her I do as much as I can. She responds with "my muscles ache too." My Spouse is frustrated with my lack of ability to earn a good living and blames me every day for it. Frustrated I grabbed a hammer and began tearing down rotted soffit and facia on my house. I wanted to prove to myself I could fall back on my old carpentry skills to make a living. But now the job is only half complete, and my muscles are torched. It will take several days of rest before I can hang new facia on the house. Sometimes I wish I hadn't survived the drug. Bobby > > > > For whatever it is worth, I think I need to mention to newbies who > are wondering whether to taper off statins, that my idiot doctor > (now ex-doctor of course) insisted on increasing my Lipitor dosage > from 10 mg. to 80 mg.--all at once! I immediately reported back to > him that I was having severe problems with the higher dose but he > absolutely insisted it was not the meds. This was back in 2002 and I > hadn't heard anything about the dangers of these drugs at that time. > And, unfortunately, I had trusted that doctor for several years > before that. But the 80 mg. not only caused muscle pain and weakness > almost immediately, but the cognifive effects made me too stupid to > be able to argue with him. So I stayed on the poison for two years > before the realization penetrated my poorly functioning brain that > since my mother had died of a horrible disease (ALS) years before > that maybe now I had it. There is a form that is inherited, so at > least I was still able to figure that much out. > > From there I was fortunately able to reason that if I did have > ALS (sure seemed like it) that there was no point in continuing to > take these expensive meds. So when my Lipitor prescription ran out, > I didn't reorder. I'm convinced now that decision saved my life. > > > > Some of the side effects I'd been having started clearing almost > immediately (weight gain that doctor had been chewing me out for > turned out to be fluid retention from the poisoning; I lost 25 > pounds in three weeks!). And the cloud started lfting from my mind > almost immediately. Other problems persisted though (muscle aches > and weakness, peripheral neuropathy, digestive problems, etc.). To > make a long story short, I now know that the toxic dosage (and to me > any dosage of that stuff is toxic) had virtually wiped out my immune > system. It not only triggered celiac disease, which I'd never had > before, but I'd also become allergic to virtually every food. > Western medicine had no solution to my problem except prednison > (which I'd never been able to take without it knocking me out), but > rather than die of starvation, I finally agreed to go to an > acupuncturist who specializes in a particular form of that art which > is effective for food allergies. She couldn't cure the celiac, but > > at least her allergy treatments (4 1/2 months of weekly > treatments) enabled me to eat other foods again. > > > > The point of my telling you this is that I went off the highest > dosage of Lipitor cold turkey, after having been on it for two > years, in addition to being on 10 mg. for a number of years prior to > that. Going off it did not cure the autoimmune conditions it had > triggered, but doing so did restore my ability to reason, and to be > able to seek out answers for how and why my health had been > destroyed and what to do about it. > > > > If you don't feel comfortable going off statins cold turkey, > then you should taper off. And I don't think anyone can tell you for > sure how best to do that. From my own perspective, I'll just say > this: if you found out you were being slowly poisoned by arsenic, > would you think it necessary to taper off? > > > > > > -----Fight back spam! 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Guest guest Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Pamela, I hadn't read your post yet before I just responded to Bobby's. It is beyond outrageous that our governments are allowing this to happen to their citizens. I truly believe the truth will come out after the pharmaceutical companies come up with the next big "breakthrough" that they want to shove down our throats. With patents expiring on the statins, that is bound to happen at some point, and then they won't be vigorously defending this poison any longer. The truth is coming out in mere trickles now but not to the extent it should, and I don't want to wait for Big Pharma to decide it's no longer to their advantage to push statins on us. I suspect it's only a matter of time before a Bill Gates or a Warren Buffett or some revered politician or Hollywood celebrity becomes a victim/survivor, and if and when that happens, they'll have the clout to let the world know how we've all been hoodwinked and poisoned. I hope and pray you will regain at least a substantial amount of the ability statins have robbed you of. I'm sure you're already taking CoQ10. Have you tried increasing it? We know statins deplete your brain of both CoQ10 and cholesterol, both of which are essential for proper functioning. Be sure to supplement with zinc too; as I reported in a post a while back, I'd run across a study re. zinc depletion while on statins which can cause a wide range of problems, including cognitive impairment. Another thing that I've been looking into has to do with the immune system. Mine was essentially wiped out by Lipitor, and I'm still having to deal with a wide range of autoimmune disorders. These happen to run in my family, so I have a genetic predisposition to them to begin with, but statins finished the job. My niece has been suffering from a couple of autoimmune diseases that were triggered by a bout w/mononucleosis. She got no real relief until a doctor recently put her on something known as LDN, or Low Dose Naltrexone. It's showing amazing results in clinical trials for all things of an autoimmune nature, and after just a few weeks on it, my niece is feeling better than she has in years. The LDN is an off-label use of a drug the FDA years approved for another problem, but since it does have that (dubious) stamp of approval, it is legal to use it for other conditions. It works by strengthening the immune system, so that it does not attack benign substances (as in allergies) or the body's own organs and tissues (as in other autoimmune diseases, ranging from MS to ALS to lupus, and many more). Because it still isn't widely known among the medical community, it's hard to find a doctor who's familiar with this use, but if you are fortunate enough to have a doctor who is willing to look into it, or if there is a clinical trial going on in your area for its use in a specific autoimmune problem you have, it would be worth looking into. From all I've been able to determine, it is about as safe a drug as you can find, especially at the low dose level. I mention this because I know that many of the lingering effects I'm having from my statin overdose are of an autoimmune nature. So far the only doctor I've been able to find in my area who prescribes it does not take insurance. But I'm still looking. You and Bobby, as well as others, might want to look into LDN (just google LDN and autoimmune) and see if any of your lingering symptoms sound as if they fit. Chances are at least some of them will, as statins are good for just one thing: impairing and weakening your immune system. In fact, at one time they were being studied for use in MS patients to suppress the attacks by further weakening immunity(!) and for use in transplant patients to keep the immune system from attacking the "foreign body." It is a common misconception that in autoimmune disorders, the immune system is too strong. In fact, it is actually too weak, which is causing it to malfunction. Hope there is something of value in this for you and Bobby and everyone else who reads it. As survivors we must continue to help ourselves and each other! pamela sharp <pamela.sharp@...> wrote: Bobby & I lost my career through all of this, I took early retirement on health grounds at age 52 yrs. Until last September I was still writing - nearly halfway through my second book - an historical comedy I couldn't write a paragraph now without spellcheck - and as for creativity it makes me feel sick. I haven't even the cognitive skills to edit my friends daughters wedding video - something I have done for many years without even thinking. I can't knit or sew anymore - I was creating even gowns before taking the poison and knitting exquisite graments - have knitted since I was 4 yrs old. Can't follow a pattern now. Show this to your wife Bobby as believe me none of us want to be like this.In the UK our Dr's all think Statins are the Holy Grail and there aren't many who are prepared to speak out against them - we have always been years behind following the US - especially in medicine. I want to as well, but I would have to sue my GP and he is only following Government Targets.Pamelaflyinresorts <flyinresorts > wrote: , I know you are correct about the system. It just isn't fair that people are being injured by these drugs with no compensation. I know for myself I can only work part time due to short endurance. That makes it hard to make a living.Had I not taken a lipid lowering drug, I would be flying a Regional Jet. Instead, I work part time as a social hour host in a Marriot Residence Inn. I earn $57 per day, 4 days a week. If it were not for my wifes employment as a RN, we would not survive. Still, after 7 years my wife does not understand my myopathy. She thinks I have no ambition and tells me "Its time to grow up." I explain to her I do as much as I can. She responds with "my muscles ache too." My Spouse is frustrated with my lack of ability to earn a good living and blames me every day for it. Frustrated I grabbed a hammer and began tearing down rotted soffit and facia on my house. I wanted to prove to myself I could fall back on my old carpentry skills to make a living. But now the job is only half complete, and my muscles are torched. It will take several days of rest before I can hang new facia on the house. Sometimes I wish I hadn't survived the drug.Bobby > >> > For whatever it is worth, I think I need to mention to newbies who > are wondering whether to taper off statins, that my idiot doctor > (now ex-doctor of course) insisted on increasing my Lipitor dosage > from 10 mg. to 80 mg.--all at once! I immediately reported back to > him that I was having severe problems with the higher dose but he > absolutely insisted it was not the meds. This was back in 2002 and I > hadn't heard anything about the dangers of these drugs at that time. > And, unfortunately, I had trusted that doctor for several years > before that. But the 80 mg. not only caused muscle pain and weakness > almost immediately, but the cognifive effects made me too stupid to > be able to argue with him. So I stayed on the poison for two years > before the realization penetrated my poorly functioning brain that > since my mother had died of a horrible disease (ALS) years before > that maybe now I had it. There is a form that is inherited, so at > least I was still able to figure that much out.> > From there I was fortunately able to reason that if I did have > ALS (sure seemed like it) that there was no point in continuing to > take these expensive meds. So when my Lipitor prescription ran out, > I didn't reorder. I'm convinced now that decision saved my life.> > > > Some of the side effects I'd been having started clearing almost > immediately (weight gain that doctor had been chewing me out for > turned out to be fluid retention from the poisoning; I lost 25 > pounds in three weeks!). And the cloud started lfting from my mind > almost immediately. Other problems persisted though (muscle aches > and weakness, peripheral neuropathy, digestive problems, etc.). To > make a long story short, I now know that the toxic dosage (and to me > any dosage of that stuff is toxic) had virtually wiped out my immune > system. It not only triggered celiac disease, which I'd never had > before, but I'd also become allergic to virtually every food. > Western medicine had no solution to my problem except prednison > (which I'd never been able to take without it knocking me out), but > rather than die of starvation, I finally agreed to go to an > acupuncturist who specializes in a particular form of that art which > is effective for food allergies. She couldn't cure the celiac, but> > at least her allergy treatments (4 1/2 months of weekly > treatments) enabled me to eat other foods again. > > > > The point of my telling you this is that I went off the highest > dosage of Lipitor cold turkey, after having been on it for two > years, in addition to being on 10 mg. for a number of years prior to > that. Going off it did not cure the autoimmune conditions it had > triggered, but doing so did restore my ability to reason, and to be > able to seek out answers for how and why my health had been > destroyed and what to do about it.> > > > If you don't feel comfortable going off statins cold turkey, > then you should taper off. And I don't think anyone can tell you for > sure how best to do that. From my own perspective, I'll just say > this: if you found out you were being slowly poisoned by arsenic, > would you think it necessary to taper off? > > > > > > -----Fight back spam! Download the Blue > Frog.http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=bmFuY2FybDIwNzQ%3D> >> > > > > > > -----Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog.http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=bmFuY2FybDIwNzQ%3D> ----- Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=bmFuY2FybDIwNzQ%3D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Thanks for that - I don't know if I told you that I had MS diagnosed 5 yrs ago - but I did have my symptoms under control. Unfortunately my GP used this against me because every time I complained in the last 18 months he said that it was the MS!!!When I read the leaflet with Simvastatin it said NOT TO BE GIVEN TO PEOPLE WITH EXISTING MUSCLE PROBLEMS, OR KIDNEY PROBLEMS WHICH I HAVE1 When I mentioned this to him he said that it was my responsibility to read the Side Effects (God I hate those words) these are not bloody side effects they are symptoms of poisoning that nearly killed you and I!Keep your chin up Bobby - I believe that we will get justice! Pamela Carlisle <nancarl@...> wrote: Pamela, I hadn't read your post yet before I just responded to Bobby's. It is beyond outrageous that our governments are allowing this to happen to their citizens. I truly believe the truth will come out after the pharmaceutical companies come up with the next big "breakthrough" that they want to shove down our throats. With patents expiring on the statins, that is bound to happen at some point, and then they won't be vigorously defending this poison any longer. The truth is coming out in mere trickles now but not to the extent it should, and I don't want to wait for Big Pharma to decide it's no longer to their advantage to push statins on us. I suspect it's only a matter of time before a Bill Gates or a Warren Buffett or some revered politician or Hollywood celebrity becomes a victim/survivor, and if and when that happens, they'll have the clout to let the world know how we've all been hoodwinked and poisoned. I hope and pray you will regain at least a substantial amount of the ability statins have robbed you of. I'm sure you're already taking CoQ10. Have you tried increasing it? We know statins deplete your brain of both CoQ10 and cholesterol, both of which are essential for proper functioning. Be sure to supplement with zinc too; as I reported in a post a while back, I'd run across a study re. zinc depletion while on statins which can cause a wide range of problems, including cognitive impairment. Another thing that I've been looking into has to do with the immune system. Mine was essentially wiped out by Lipitor, and I'm still having to deal with a wide range of autoimmune disorders. These happen to run in my family, so I have a genetic predisposition to them to begin with, but statins finished the job. My niece has been suffering from a couple of autoimmune diseases that were triggered by a bout w/mononucleosis. She got no real relief until a doctor recently put her on something known as LDN, or Low Dose Naltrexone. It's showing amazing results in clinical trials for all things of an autoimmune nature, and after just a few weeks on it, my niece is feeling better than she has in years. The LDN is an off-label use of a drug the FDA years approved for another problem, but since it does have that (dubious) stamp of approval, it is legal to use it for other conditions. It works by strengthening the immune system, so that it does not attack benign substances (as in allergies) or the body's own organs and tissues (as in other autoimmune diseases, ranging from MS to ALS to lupus, and many more). Because it still isn't widely known among the medical community, it's hard to find a doctor who's familiar with this use, but if you are fortunate enough to have a doctor who is willing to look into it, or if there is a clinical trial going on in your area for its use in a specific autoimmune problem you have, it would be worth looking into. From all I've been able to determine, it is about as safe a drug as you can find, especially at the low dose level. I mention this because I know that many of the lingering effects I'm having from my statin overdose are of an autoimmune nature. So far the only doctor I've been able to find in my area who prescribes it does not take insurance. But I'm still looking. You and Bobby, as well as others, might want to look into LDN (just google LDN and autoimmune) and see if any of your lingering symptoms sound as if they fit. Chances are at least some of them will, as statins are good for just one thing: impairing and weakening your immune system. In fact, at one time they were being studied for use in MS patients to suppress the attacks by further weakening immunity(!) and for use in transplant patients to keep the immune system from attacking the "foreign body." It is a common misconception that in autoimmune disorders, the immune system is too strong. In fact, it is actually too weak, which is causing it to malfunction. Hope there is something of value in this for you and Bobby and everyone else who reads it. As survivors we must continue to help ourselves and each other! pamela sharp <pamela.sharpbtinternet> wrote: Bobby & I lost my career through all of this, I took early retirement on health grounds at age 52 yrs. Until last September I was still writing - nearly halfway through my second book - an historical comedy I couldn't write a paragraph now without spellcheck - and as for creativity it makes me feel sick. I haven't even the cognitive skills to edit my friends daughters wedding video - something I have done for many years without even thinking. I can't knit or sew anymore - I was creating even gowns before taking the poison and knitting exquisite graments - have knitted since I was 4 yrs old. Can't follow a pattern now. Show this to your wife Bobby as believe me none of us want to be like this.In the UK our Dr's all think Statins are the Holy Grail and there aren't many who are prepared to speak out against them - we have always been years behind following the US - especially in medicine. I want to as well, but I would have to sue my GP and he is only following Government Targets.Pamelaflyinresorts <flyinresorts > wrote: , I know you are correct about the system. It just isn't fair that people are being injured by these drugs with no compensation. I know for myself I can only work part time due to short endurance. That makes it hard to make a living.Had I not taken a lipid lowering drug, I would be flying a Regional Jet. Instead, I work part time as a social hour host in a Marriot Residence Inn. I earn $57 per day, 4 days a week. If it were not for my wifes employment as a RN, we would not survive. Still, after 7 years my wife does not understand my myopathy. She thinks I have no ambition and tells me "Its time to grow up." I explain to her I do as much as I can. She responds with "my muscles ache too." My Spouse is frustrated with my lack of ability to earn a good living and blames me every day for it. Frustrated I grabbed a hammer and began tearing down rotted soffit and facia on my house. I wanted to prove to myself I could fall back on my old carpentry skills to make a living. But now the job is only half complete, and my muscles are torched. It will take several days of rest before I can hang new facia on the house. Sometimes I wish I hadn't survived the drug.Bobby > >> > For whatever it is worth, I think I need to mention to newbies who > are wondering whether to taper off statins, that my idiot doctor > (now ex-doctor of course) insisted on increasing my Lipitor dosage > from 10 mg. to 80 mg.--all at once! I immediately reported back to > him that I was having severe problems with the higher dose but he > absolutely insisted it was not the meds. This was back in 2002 and I > hadn't heard anything about the dangers of these drugs at that time. > And, unfortunately, I had trusted that doctor for several years > before that. But the 80 mg. not only caused muscle pain and weakness > almost immediately, but the cognifive effects made me too stupid to > be able to argue with him. So I stayed on the poison for two years > before the realization penetrated my poorly functioning brain that > since my mother had died of a horrible disease (ALS) years before > that maybe now I had it. There is a form that is inherited, so at > least I was still able to figure that much out.> > From there I was fortunately able to reason that if I did have > ALS (sure seemed like it) that there was no point in continuing to > take these expensive meds. So when my Lipitor prescription ran out, > I didn't reorder. I'm convinced now that decision saved my life.> > > > Some of the side effects I'd been having started clearing almost > immediately (weight gain that doctor had been chewing me out for > turned out to be fluid retention from the poisoning; I lost 25 > pounds in three weeks!). And the cloud started lfting from my mind > almost immediately. Other problems persisted though (muscle aches > and weakness, peripheral neuropathy, digestive problems, etc.). To > make a long story short, I now know that the toxic dosage (and to me > any dosage of that stuff is toxic) had virtually wiped out my immune > system. It not only triggered celiac disease, which I'd never had > before, but I'd also become allergic to virtually every food. > Western medicine had no solution to my problem except prednison > (which I'd never been able to take without it knocking me out), but > rather than die of starvation, I finally agreed to go to an > acupuncturist who specializes in a particular form of that art which > is effective for food allergies. She couldn't cure the celiac, but> > at least her allergy treatments (4 1/2 months of weekly > treatments) enabled me to eat other foods again. > > > > The point of my telling you this is that I went off the highest > dosage of Lipitor cold turkey, after having been on it for two > years, in addition to being on 10 mg. for a number of years prior to > that. Going off it did not cure the autoimmune conditions it had > triggered, but doing so did restore my ability to reason, and to be > able to seek out answers for how and why my health had been > destroyed and what to do about it.> > > > If you don't feel comfortable going off statins cold turkey, > then you should taper off. And I don't think anyone can tell you for > sure how best to do that. From my own perspective, I'll just say > this: if you found out you were being slowly poisoned by arsenic, > would you think it necessary to taper off? > > > > > > -----Fight back spam! Download the Blue > Frog.http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=bmFuY2FybDIwNzQ%3D> >> > > > > > > -----Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog.http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=bmFuY2FybDIwNzQ%3D> ----- Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/s?user=bmFuY2FybDIwNzQ%3D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2008 Report Share Posted July 4, 2008 Hi Bill & EveryoneHave just found a brilliant website:thincs.orgIts' all about COQ10 association and it blows you away, as they have known since the 1950's that COQ10 protects your heart and muscles. Read the letter that they sent to the FDA recently.Pamelabill morris <billybob5898@...> wrote: Hi Bobby and , We all have the same problem our doctor says it and we believe him/her fully no questions asked. We all have to stop and look at ourselves. We are all different and things effects each of us differently. We all need to research our conditions and prepare pryer to our doctors appointment. We all need to list all of our questions and take that list with us and tell the doctor hey I have some questions I need you to answer and get his/her response. I am very lucky I have 3 great doctors who will listen and answer me. Best wishes. Bill Re: Re: Stop Taking Statins Bobby, I am so sorry to hear of the problems you are having to endure due to the statin poisoning. I don't doubt that every one of us has a sad story to tell. What has been done to us has affected every aspect of our lives, and even if we were able to restore our wrecked health, we can't restore the large part of our lives that has been badly impacted by what we've had to go through. My husband died of cancer just about a year ago. He'd hardly ever had a sick day in his life before that. I firmly believe the destruction of my health and the feelings of helplessness he had as a result contributed to his illness and death. Some people believe that if the doctor says it's okay, it must be. It's hard to break through that mindset, but you have to try. I know I've run up against that when I've tried to convince people that they really don't need to be taking statins, and that in fact they are truly dangerous. When it's someone near and dear, it makes it particularly hard when they have trouble believing that the side effects can be so horrendous. Would showing your wife some of the posts from this group do any good? Do you think she would be willing to read what Dr. Graveline has to say on the subject? www.spacedoc. net I've had success after referring people to his website when nothing else would convince them. I sincerely hope something will sway your wife. Big Pharma truly has a lot to answer for. Hang in there; maybe we'll all live to see it happen! I do pray things will get better for you.flyinresorts <flyinresorts> wrote: , I know you are correct about the system. It just isn't fair that people are being injured by these drugs with no compensation. I know for myself I can only work part time due to short endurance. That makes it hard to make a living.Had I not taken a lipid lowering drug, I would be flying a Regional Jet. Instead, I work part time as a social hour host in a Marriot Residence Inn. I earn $57 per day, 4 days a week. If it were not for my wifes employment as a RN, we would not survive. Still, after 7 years my wife does not understand my myopathy. She thinks I have no ambition and tells me "Its time to grow up." I explain to her I do as much as I can. She responds with "my muscles ache too." My Spouse is frustrated with my lack of ability to earn a good living and blames me every day for it. Frustrated I grabbed a hammer and began tearing down rotted soffit and facia on my house. I wanted to prove to myself I could fall back on my old carpentry skills to make a living. But now the job is only half complete, and my muscles are torched. It will take several days of rest before I can hang new facia on the house. Sometimes I wish I hadn't survived the drug.Bobby > >> > For whatever it is worth, I think I need to mention to newbies who > are wondering whether to taper off statins, that my idiot doctor > (now ex-doctor of course) insisted on increasing my Lipitor dosage > from 10 mg. to 80 mg.--all at once! I immediately reported back to > him that I was having severe problems with the higher dose but he > absolutely insisted it was not the meds. This was back in 2002 and I > hadn't heard anything about the dangers of these drugs at that time. > And, unfortunately, I had trusted that doctor for several years > before that. But the 80 mg. not only caused muscle pain and weakness > almost immediately, but the cognifive effects made me too stupid to > be able to argue with him. So I stayed on the poison for two years > before the realization penetrated my poorly functioning brain that > since my mother had died of a horrible disease (ALS) years before > that maybe now I had it. There is a form that is inherited, so at > least I was still able to figure that much out.> > From there I was fortunately able to reason that if I did have > ALS (sure seemed like it) that there was no point in continuing to > take these expensive meds. So when my Lipitor prescription ran out, > I didn't reorder. I'm convinced now that decision saved my life.> > > > Some of the side effects I'd been having started clearing almost > immediately (weight gain that doctor had been chewing me out for > turned out to be fluid retention from the poisoning; I lost 25 > pounds in three weeks!). And the cloud started lfting from my mind > almost immediately. Other problems persisted though (muscle aches > and weakness, peripheral neuropathy, digestive problems, etc.). To > make a long story short, I now know that the toxic dosage (and to me > any dosage of that stuff is toxic) had virtually wiped out my immune > system. It not only triggered celiac disease, which I'd never had > before, but I'd also become allergic to virtually every food. > Western medicine had no solution to my problem except prednison > (which I'd never been able to take without it knocking me out), but > rather than die of starvation, I finally agreed to go to an > acupuncturist who specializes in a particular form of that art which > is effective for food allergies. She couldn't cure the celiac, but> > at least her allergy treatments (4 1/2 months of weekly > treatments) enabled me to eat other foods again. > > > > The point of my telling you this is that I went off the highest > dosage of Lipitor cold turkey, after having been on it for two > years, in addition to being on 10 mg. for a number of years prior to > that. Going off it did not cure the autoimmune conditions it had > triggered, but doing so did restore my ability to reason, and to be > able to seek out answers for how and why my health had been > destroyed and what to do about it.> > > > If you don't feel comfortable going off statins cold turkey, > then you should taper off. And I don't think anyone can tell you for > sure how best to do that. From my own perspective, I'll just say > this: if you found out you were being slowly poisoned by arsenic, > would you think it necessary to taper off? > > > > > > -----Fight back spam! Download the Blue > Frog.http:// www.bluesecurity .com/register/ s?user=bmFuY2Fyb DIwNzQ%3D> >> > > > > > > -----Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog.http:// www.bluesecurity .com/register/ s?user=bmFuY2Fyb DIwNzQ%3D>----- Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. http://www.bluesecu rity.com/ register/ s?user=bmFuY2Fyb DIwNzQ%3D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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